Why Europe and America are Falling Out (it’s not just Trump)
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
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Last week, Trump claimed that he would encourage Putin to invade various NATO members, if they don't pay bills, sparking a furious reaction within Europe. But, America and Europe have been in a difficult relationship for a while. So, where did it all begin, and is this kind of relationship sustainable?
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00:00 - Introduction
01:51 - Three Reasons
02:01 - China
04:42 - Protectionism
06:06 - Middle East
08:16 - What Happens Next?
08:52 - Sponsored Content
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“If Biden survives 2024” - ouch, that choice of words was gold.
He will likely survive...but he will need to be reminded, possibly daily.
The clip of him pointing and looking confused is icing on the cake.
If Trump wins election he will probably send troops to help Putin invade Europe
Well, America will not survive another round with Trump as President...
Well, Europe can almost buy the election for Biden if they want to tbh. (with money)
Europe has to become self reliant and strong again.
Europe needs to stop being a aslyum center for the third world
We should try atl, oil is hard to acquire unless we win in Ukraine but otherwise we should be able to.
they're too busy cucking themselves over with immigration policies
As everything shall be.
No, Europe just needs to pay their fair share with resources and personnel….no more free rides off US tax payers….that social services system…it’s about to shatter…it only works because US tax payers subsidize Europe. Shoot, just in 2023 around 39 new US bases were built in Europe…by 2030, there will be 46 more. Europe will never work without the US…why?….because Europe would start killing each other, that’s reality, the US provides stability.
If i don't pay my 45% Taxes i get kicked out of my house , yet my own Lazy ass country ( The Netherlands ) keeps on failing to meet the meagre 2% NATO standards .
Social state is not that cheap...I would say that all of Europe´s wellfare state was possible when US took big big part in our defence against USSR. And when EU wants to decrease money for social state, people are unhappy. Maybe leaders just need to communicate better with people.
@@richardgalbavy7103I do agree, and the US subsidizes a large portion of the EU and UK social systems on top of all the taxes to their own citizens …these subsidies come in various forms: currency, defense, logistics movement guarantees, open trade guarantees, pharmaceutical/medical RD…and I could go on and on…shoot North Macedonia is getting a whole US Engineering Brigade to help get clean drinking water, and built basic infrastructure like roads and bridges…all with US tax dollars footing the bill.
It's to the EU's benefit if every country ups their capacities in the Defence industry. It allows us to defend ourselves on a short notice and allows us to be more independent from the US.
As an American, I agree that Europe should be less dependent on us for a lot of stuff. Especially security. But we should always remember that we are allies at the end of the day, and we should try to stick together if we can
When Trump said that in 2017, all of Europe laughed at him. Now it is too late for Europe to rebuild it's defence industry
@@philipbronson8709 probably the only time ever he got something more or less right. Wonder if Putin informed him of his plans at that time...
Europeans should really step out of their arrogant mindset and stop blaming the US for it's problems.
I'm an American and we don't want you guys to be dependent on us. We don't want to constantly pay for your miltary and security, pay for your own godamn security and stop relying on us.
Long term, it'll be good for Europe to up defence and stop relying on the US for support
Even if it means giving up their nanny states or becoming a federation? Which I think is a good thing but I doudt the voters over there share that sentment.
No it won’t. Because you’ll have to rely on countries that are even less fair than US
@@GreenBlueWalkthroughThe US government spends more on Medicare per person than European countries do for universal healthcare. They’ll be fine.
@@ki-roasted They’re not.
Maybe they should start trying to get along with her neighbors
0:55 Ireland is not a NATO member. Also Turkey is. The map probably shows the EU and not the NATO member states.
It’s definitely eu and not not nati because it doesn’t include the uk
He said EU though.
Ireland is just a rebel region of UK and Turkey should not be part of NATO. 😅😅😅
And neither does it include Norway which is a member of NATO but not the EU
Yes, let's paper over the part where the US has been warning the European Union about their lack of energy diversity ( don't buy all your energy for Russia) for years. And the part about investing in your military leave that part out also.
EU didn't need to invest as much as US guaranteed their safety. And they got in response their military bases and rockets located in Europe to protect US itself from USSR and Russa/Iran. So if the US isn't going to do their part of the deal anymore-they can get out of Europe.
Yes let us avoid that because it is best not to see how blatantly the US is pushing for European deindustrialisation. They tell us to diversify and not rely on the US and when sales of Russian energy collapse, the US decides to slow down on LNG. So it is basically "don't buy energy from Russia, buy it from us", followed by "you can't have ours". Europe should open hundreds of coal plants and the rest of the world be damned. The worst effects of climate change won't affect us, so lets not suffer the cost.
The US will gladly leave Europe to the Europeans. At that point the Europeans will need to spend Billions on defense or exchange the US military bases for Russian bases. Your call...@@vorong2ru
@@vorong2ru EU bases protect the US? The only reason the US was in any danger was because we stood up for Europe. If we stepped back, we would be out of the splash zone.
Instead we send our soldiers to other countries to scare off the Ruskies for you. And every EU country tries to lie and say they are helping, but then get mad when they are asked to spend their share.
@vorong2ru Russia is US's neighbour via Alaska
When your country only has two parties, and one of them suddenly gets hell bent on messing with your alliances, you tend to lose trust in the entire country’s political trustworthiness.
to be fair they have a new and more potent enemy in the east, they should make a new nato type alliance there
Trump said he wanted Europe to start paying their fair share... they didn’t listen. Now look what happened. Germany is rearmining. Curious timing???
Not like yall are electing far right parties yourself🙃
Biden is the one messing with alliances by causing crisis such as our Southern border. Trump told NATO partners to pull their weight and cut their dependence on Russian fuel. Both of which make NATO stronger
@@aaditrangnekarOne of the parties has taken and will continue to take promises for money or Christianity over national security. The US's biggest defense against China is that there's no Chinese Orthodox Church. The problem is that they can still hire the Russians to infiltrate the Facebook groups and post the conspiracy theories that serve that purpose.
Australia is beginning to expand it's navy. Extra subs and doubling the surface fleet. It will take a decade. But a lot of the new surface fleet will be drones.
Which makes the Australian consecutive governments decisions to go for this 38 billion dollar expense quite confusing.
1:55 minutes into the video "let's get straight to it"
"You've got to pay your bills" does the word Irony ring a bell with anyone?
Most NATO member countries spends less than 2% of thear GDP in defence While USA Spends 3.5% of thear GDP in defence
Oooga Booooga Im amurican im the best Oooga Booooga
No. It's Europe that doesn't pay their bills, not the USA.
This comment section is a great reason why the US should withdraw from NATO.
@@hasinabegum1038 I'm speaking specifically about Trump, who has a well earned reputation for stiffing tradesmen, employees lawyers, banks and almost anyone he does business with.
The whole China problem explains why India's foreign minister said when asked about why he's not sanctioning Russia make sense. He said "Europe's problem is everyone's problem, but other problems outside of Europe is not Europe's problem?"
Not true. Europe’s problems are not US problems … did you just watch the video? But US problems really are everyone else’s problems … hence why we’re the world’s reserve currency. It affects everyone
How is half the grain of the world being in a major conflict, not world problem?
How is gas and oil prices and inflation going up not a world problem?
How is one of the largest wars since WW2 fought with modern weapons not a world problem, if everything goes right for Russia. China invading Taiwan will be next.
India is a fascist country, they got f**ed by a country a thousand times smaller and they are still ashamed and are trying to make themselves look better on the world stage by criticizing the western world.
@@diegogamarra2928 he was talking about europe 🤦♂️ not us
@@diegogamarra2928 That is not true, US problem is not the world problem. EU can trade using your own currencies which is valuable by itself.
@@DavidAuthurUS would be happy to pull out of NATO and stop being the world police. UN and NATO do nothing for us, but drag us down.
I find the statement about EU's economic issues to be a little on the weak side for how it feels on the ground. When businesses are told by their government about how doing business with China and any problem that comes out of it is "an issue that we cannot help you with, you are on your own" (Germany)
What economic issues?
Our issues come from the war in Ukraine and where i live it's not too bad compared to outside my country.
The only country that performed on China’s annual Spring Gala Festival was France. Now it makes sense.
I don’t think we’re falling out. I think we both are preoccupied with our own bullshit
Well, the bullshit comes from the US, not Europe, or maybe only when it comes to the rise of nationalisms, but that's it
Watching the recent winter storms, many complained they couldn’t find their state on a weather map.
Preoccupied with a prescribed globalist narrative we don't need to concern ourselves with.
i think we are. Im polish and was always very pro america but now hes talking about not helping europe. We pay our 2% for nato but he seems to label all of europe as not paying. If thats how things are then perhaps america needs to go and we will find another ally elsewhere. Maybe china.
Another thing here is that we in the EU are family. Yes some of the other countries haven't paid, but i will never want to see them under russian rule and if america is fine with that then im against america
@@percheroneclipse238 care to share a source of that lol?
"One of the presidents of the big countries said to me....".
I've been thinking about who he could have meant. It's not Germany, Canada, Spain or Great Britain as they don't have executive presidents. It's not Turkey or France because they spent more than the target during the Trump presidency. So which major Nato power could it be? Perhaps the great nation of Iceland?
Or perhaps no-one because he just made that conversation up and it never happened.
Germany has a president.
@@Loostycnot really, it's a chancellor
@@jaspervanhoudt2675
No, Germany has both a president and a chancellor. The president is more of a representative figure though.
@@jaspervanhoudt2675 there's a chancellor and a president too. The president is head of state and the chancellor is head of government.
Trump was talking about Germany. He let it slip on a different interview. Also, he doesn't differentiate between president/prime minister/chancellor. President to him = the main person who has the say "so"
Western Europe not having trade relations with Russia & being staunchly opposed to China is like holding your breathe & shooting yourself in the foot at the same time. I don't live in Europe so I could care less, but I find it hilarious they just follow whatever the United States orders them to do 😂
Frankly we shouldn't be relying on the Yanks in general for protection.
Excellent, maybe I'll get free healthcare soon.
@@andrew8501hopefully
Get the arabs and africans to fight for you.
And you guys shouldn't be allowed to have a military at all considering how much damage you did to the world during the colonial period and world wars.
@@karenwang313That'll be for us to decide, thanks.
I'm close to as non-nationalistic as one can be, but that was a really asinine comment from you, lmao.
I disagree w your assertion (2:38) that Biden's statements re: Taiwan represent a significant departure from the US policy of strategic ambiguity. Declaring that US will defend Taiwan against China's aggression while still saying that we support the "One China" policy IMO is exactly what strategic ambiguity is. And the "walking back" of his statements by his staff also is part of the strategic ambiguity.
Agreed
It is still very much ambiguous so mission accomplished.
No change in US policy on Taiwan since 1972.
If only Biden or his advisers had any idea what is going on. His cretin advisers are as clueless and corrupt as he is.
Yep. Sometimes people don't see the nuance in geopolitics.
Europe must stop looking at the big daddy and start improving it's military and economy, and I say it as a resident of Poland, which adored US more than the rest of EU combined. Either we rise again to be major superpower or we are doomed to become puppets of US, China, Russia or India.
theres also the easily possible third option of continuing on as normal as many EU members are nuclear armed and MAD is still the main reason Europe hasn’t been attacked
As an American who thinks following NATO defense spending should be incredibly easy considering its only 2% of all total GDP. If Europe were a puppet of America, that puppet would have to be a sock puppet because it's not doing much
@@KingFinnchisn't France the only EU member with their own nukes (not US nukes on their soil) ever since the UK left?
Europe isn't a single unified state so can't be a superpower...
@@daniel_gallardo808 You are right, no EU country other than France has nukes.
Imagine forcing Europe to stop subsidising their national companies because its not fair for world trade .... only to start subsidising your own companies once Europe stops ....
In targeted industries Europe has practically no footprint in, such as Semiconductors.
Yes, I know Germany is an exception to this with things like Zwave chips being designed+made there, and then there's Intel in Ireland, but otherwise, you've got nothing.
@@patrickproctor3462 Intel is building fabs in Europe, also The Netherlands is the world leader on semi conductors?
We in The Netherlands build all the machines that actually produce the chips, all the machines in the US factories will be produced by ASML lol.
The USA is also subsidizing Dutch companies by doing so, and German ones that deliver the lenses required for said machines...
@@teaser6089 The Netherlands aren't the world leader on semi conductors, Taiwan is.
@@patrickproctor3462ASML is one of the leading semiconductor companies in the world.
@@teaser6089 ASML is the only significant footprint Europe has in Semiconductors outside of Intel's Ireland fabs as of this moment. Yes, there's the Zwave stuff in Germany, but that is peanuts compared to Microchip, ASML, and Microsemi, let alone the real gorillas like Samsung, AMD, Intel, NvIdia, Micron, and TSMC.
Edit: and ASML is not the only producer of EUV lithography machines. Nikon, while a much smaller operation, does as well.
“We cannot gamble our security every four years. American democracy is sick.” - Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Can we stop using the terms EU and Europe interchangeably?
Not only EU is in danger by Putin
For USA it’s the same
@@RonDiani nah just the EU, Russia literally can't touch the US unless we both go nuclear, which won't happen.
@@Purplegreen45They were referring to Europe as a whole with that, not to the US. After all, EU =/= Europe.
I think it’s much ado about nothing. It’s political posturing, and both sides know that their alliance is mutually beneficial and that any move away from each other harms both.
Not really America is going broke and they are tired of backing europe
To an extent. But does Trump know it ? Does he even care ? Are we Europeans willing to take the risk to rely on him ? I’m not.
How mutually beneficial is it really? The main benefit to the US was keeping Russia occupied, but Russia has proven to be pretty toothless. The US also used to get a bit of oil through the Mediterranean, but that’s no longer a concern, either. The other big benefit was in preventing the post-WW2 re-emergence of European imperialism and the rise of empires that had the power to someday threaten the US. That concern hasn’t crossed anyone’s mind in 40+ years.
How does a security alliance benefit the US?
@@yopyop3241bcs we are long terme allies, we have similar values and traditions, we would fight for each other. Its a real alliance, you can't say the same of any other alliance in the world
don't underestimate Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns aimed at sowing division in the west. most of the news you read regarding the west on platforms like tiktok, facebook is insidious misinformation.
The EU´s growing distrust of the US has been long in the making.
If this develops further then we could see gradual disintegration of economic ties and regulation agreements away from the US.
If Trump becomes president again, and he abide by his words to throw Europe under a bus, then its all set that Europe has to play the bigger role.
I think in the longer term this would benefit Europe, it would change our mindset of relying to ourselves and see America as trade partner instead of a trusting ally.
How does propping up delusional governments with Americans blood and money make sense? It is totally rational for Americans to resent Europe
Trump won't win, and NATO isn't going anywhere, the US is more trust worthy to Europe than certain members of the EU like Hungary who are Russian vassals
When Daddy insists you no longer wear short pants so the kids at school no longer laugh at you.
Typical fake friend. You enter into a contract and allyship with the US then you run off on the bill, don't appreciate still being helped and now you want to control the outcome. Text book narcissism. Great job bud!! Gonna cut ties? Wonderful but pay your debt first. Just like Adolf. Bite the hands that feed you.
But my friend Americans don't want us to be indipendent they want us to buy more of their stuff 😂😂
If we have to spend in defense it must be exclusively from European made things, we payed then around 120 billion dollars in the last 2 years of stuff and they still want more..... We have to unite our armies and invest in European made stuff only not pay our mafia boss protection money.
Well put together.
A rather interesting question is what is the UK going to do in the medium term. Are we going to stay cosy to the EU to some extent or exploit no longer being in the EU to cosy further up to the US and other larger nations like India due to our shared (turbulent) history.
Perhaps the solution is to lean more into the Anglosphere aspect as an element of a US-oriented leaning. So, you wouldn’t have to interface, for instance, with India on your own but with the broader Anglosphere. Essentially, what if the Five Eyes extended beyond security sharing to economic aspects?
A free trade agreement with the US is the only viable option for the UK. Right now the UK doesn't want US companies to have access to their financial markets, as they know that we will shortly dominate those markets. Right now the UK doesn't want to pay the price for a free trade agreement, but as time goes on, their bargaining position continues to weaken, as the US, needs an agreement with them, less and less, everyday. They should have secured an agreement when Teresa May was Prime Minister, but she was too pre-occupied trying to prevent Brexit, rather than face the future. Americans simply don't care about the UK economy.
@@iangeraldking Seems likely to our economic benefit. The only issue is getting competent politicians.
As American and French, its in both of US and EU to have a strong relationship with each other and forget the UK.
@@annabarr1304 To speak in realpolitik terms, it’s more likely that the UK will be an interface to the EU in the same way that Japan is an interface to East Asia, for the US. If America is the Hand, then these interfaces are the Gloves, so to speak.
In some respects, France has always been its own system - it wishes to be a Hand in its own right. The American-centred system does not need a new operating system; it merely needs components and applications that fit within its architecture. Unless you want to be Sega - writing off your console base to focus on making games for other systems - France is not going to be the ideal Glove.
Probably best to not refer to the inflation reduction act as the IRA…just a thought 🤦🏻♂️
Aren't they english tho?
Exactly.
Yeah. 😂
Also the IRA is the ancesster to the IA the Republic of Ireland's Land army and one of the biggest donators of units to the UN...
@@GreenBlueWalkthroughthey do great work, and their historical work against the colonizing English was brilliant
Has he been watching the Godfather again?
Americans don't want us to be indipendent they want us to buy more of their stuff 😂😂
If we have to spend in defense it must be exclusively from European made things, we payed then around 120 billion dollars in the last 2 years of stuff and they still want more..... We have to unite our armies and invest in European made stuff only not pay our mafia boss protection money.
No one asked America to spend so much... Russia has 1/20 of the production capacity of nato......America wants an empire, you don't build 13 aircraft carriers to defend from a land power like Russia 😂😂😂 You do to dominate the world and trade routes....
But my friend Americans don't want us to be indipendent they want us to buy more of their stuff 😂😂
If we have to spend on defense it must be exclusively from European made things, we payed them around 120 billion dollars in the last 2 years of stuff and they still want more..... We have to unite our armies and invest in European made stuff only not pay our mafia boss protection money.
@@Mark-gd2ti
Wow! This is not a very common take but it reflects my thoughts exactly. Good to see I'm not the only one who thinks that Europe should return to be its own global power pole.
@@Mark-gd2ti European quality of life and peace has been paid for by Americans. Because you havent needed to spend on military you have more programs etc.
Those aircraft carriers are to protect trade routes so you can get your products on time. Without them, everything in Europe would be 3x more expensive and take 5x longer to get to you @@Mark-gd2ti
Germany is wrong and France is right, Europe needs its own army. Germany has this strange tendency of supporting awful initiatives against European security.
wouldn't that be a massive mess with everyone speaking different languages?
who’s gonna command the army? and why would anyone go to war because an unelected and corrupt body says so? there are soo many problems that would follow the creation of a european army…
@@Purplegreen45 no?
It seems to work out alright in the Indian Union (literally defined as such in the first line of the constitution) so why not European Union?
Also worked out fine in the Soviet Union. Even China isn’t as homogeneous as it projects.
I’m pretty sure the European high command knows English well enough and the units can be organised by their native language while also having mixed units using English, French, German and/or Swedish. All relatively popular languages in Europe/their region.
Don’t even get me started on how ridiculous and incompetent the European Union is
yup, especially the germans. Moving away from nuclear, moving to Russian gas, and not even trying to in the slightest to move away from it in the 2014 annexation of Crimea. Just business as usual. 2022 comes around and all of sudden they're surprised and shocked. They were ignorant about Russia, and the same is happening with China. Taiwan being captured will be everyone's problem. No more Computer chips is going to crash the global economy
US politics is too skewed towards old people in general. Due to the system, once someone has power, they keep it until they drop dead.
I agree with your statement, but it should be noted that that is incredibly ironic given how the US was founded in the beginning of its history.
They do have term limits for presidents and a high rate of change for Congress people.
@@pritapp788Issue is people got to be known in their parties to get elected.
Generally speaking most politicians on the national level had to work as politicians on state level until they became well known and more well liked then the current state national pick.
Thats also not counting the work needed for presidents, only for house and senate levels.
And in what way is that different from PRC or Russia?
@@pritapp788and yet both presidential candidates are 70+ and all the congressmen are 60+
Article 5 has been only invoked once in NATOs entire existence, by the americans... Europe came to aid, even non-NATO members in Europe...
No. It was envoked by the Germans.
As you should daddy america owns you
This is exactly why no one should rely on Americans! They always flip on you...
yeah, in ganging up on shepherds.
yeah how successful was that war?
Good analysis
It started furious response from countries who didn't invest into their army despite signing a treaty that required them to do so.
I don't see furious responses from my country that pays what it's required to.
It's not like they're paying to nato or usa, they're supposed to invest in their own friggin army.
So what now they're shocked and to show usa they're gonna start investing in their own army like they were supposed to ?
Right? They'll pay more for a whole lot less if NATO goes away. Suck it up and hit the threshold.
I have not a good feeling about any of this. It all reminds me of 100 years ago. Just different players play different roles with much more dangerous technologies.
I agree. And many European nations are woefully unprepared and many still with their heads in the sand. I view the world becoming much more dangerous and chaotic and it will not be good for anyone. But i think Europe is currently positioned to lose even more than most with all the issues they have with demographics, immigration, energy dependence, lack of military capacity, stagnating economy, etc.
Yep it’s not looking good for Europe
I disagree with both previous posters. Europe has the best chances here. Since Brexit the unity and acceptance of the EU has grown and even Britain is already on it's way back.
The real reason why Putin was so afraid is not NATO or the "West" but the EU because the gras is so much greener there. The EU invades not with violence but with a better lifestyle. Putin is just robbing his own country for himself and people noticed.
We'll see. At least now we know who's a friend and who's not.
Time to wake up for Europe after a 80y long sleep.
we shouldn't underestimate ourselves. Europe's NATO countries have a population of almost 560 million. We have the know-how and the money to keep ourselves alive for a good while even without the USA and Canada. Some good and well-known weapon manufacturers are based here and we have already started building more.
@@nonamegirl9368 but you have a depopulation problem… too many people retiring not enough working class plus it’s some of the most unproductive people in the world. Your health services and social services are gonna collapse soon if nothing drastic changes. Soon it won’t be much different than 3rd world countries at this rate
Even if Europe finally decides to carry on an autonomous defense policy, it must be an equal process for every country in Europe otherwise if everyone starts to demand leadership because momentarily "my x is bigger than yours" it will be a dead end.
France for example likes the idea of Eupean autonomy just because to them it would mean to get American leadership and make it their own. I don't know you but even if you studied history distractingly you already know that Germany won't ever finance a project in which they won't have a say since the majority of funds will come from them. And we already saw that their defense industries don't really trust eachother so much (look at the project of the franco-german tank always postponed because they can't agree on anything). And do you really think the British will let the French and Germans do whatever they want? Do you think Poland which recently geared up to become Europe's strongest terrestrial army will just accept German leadership? And I've just mentioned a few. So this process unless everyone backs down from their demands will be very long and impervious
EU proved that could work at some point. No country is large enough to impose their will to the other.
It's just that while USA is here, there is no point for Europeans to give up their military independence to EU or try to force USA out of NATO.
Britain has no say in this anymore after Brexit
There is nothing that unites different countries as fast as a common enemy. Which we have.
And there is nothing that breaks the trust of an ally as fast as telling them we are only in for money and our own gain. Which a certain wannabe president just did tell.
Makes more sense to do it at an EU level and have it taxed accordingly to a percentage of the economy, that would be a much more effective military even on the current spending, it would also be a lot more powerful, it would reduce a lot of waste and duplication., the US arrogance could be the key for Europeans to create this, which if they do, it wouldn't be in the interest of the US because the EU wouldn't need to listen to the US and could do its own policies in a lot of areas, many of which would be in the interest of the US.
@@paul1979uk2000 at a precentage of the economy you say, like 2%?
Ty X
We need to focus on our own internal issues.
This. The US needs to address its domestic issues. We don't have the money to spare (not with that 34T debt)
The fact that Germany has the third largest and arguably the most stable economy in the world and cant spare 2% while poor countries like Greece are paying double their requirements must be adressed. NATO is not a charity
Greece lives of the wealth of the rich EU countries in the north, in other words their bills are paid by others 🤣
Trump? Is that you that I hear talking? 😱
Greece is spending so much because of their tensions with Turkey
No one asked America to spend so much... Russia has 1/20 of the production capacity of nato......America wants an empire, you don't build 13 aircraft carriers to defend from a land power like Russia 😂😂😂 You do to dominate the world and trade routes....
But my friend Americans don't want us to be indipendent they want us to buy more of their stuff 😂😂
If we have to spend in defense it must be exclusively from European made things, we payed then around 120 billion dollars in the last 2 years of stuff and they still want more..... We have to unite our armies and invest in European made stuff only not pay our mafia boss protection money.
NATO is an American troy horse.
Why Germany should be more ? For what purpose ? Which country is a threat to them at the moment ?
Russia is as much as a threat than Turkey for Europe, and yet Turkey is in NATO.
NATO should be disbanded, sincerely a French.
Interesting perspective. Have you considered that if the U.S. adopted the EU's stance on Taiwan and China, it might escalate tensions, similar to the Europe-Russia dynamic, but with potentially more severe consequences? Such a shift could lead to a regional conflict escalating into a global one. Would instigating World War 3 align with European interests? By distancing itself from Taiwan to placate China, Europe may become even more dependent on the U.S. for maintaining global security. For Europe to assert its independence, it should consider building a formidable naval force to contribute to worldwide security and ensure the freedom of navigation. Currently, Europe relies heavily on the U.S. for protecting its trade routes and preventing global conflict. Rather than adopting a stance of indifference and depending on the U.S., Europe should take a more active role in global affairs instead of criticizing the U.S. while failing to contribute significantly.
As American, I fully agree that EU needs to be independent from the US. US is using Taiwan to escalate another tension to fuel the Military Industrial Complex. Unless more countries are independent and non-US aligned, US might think twice to cause another war unnecessarily (and a war between US and China would be a global level disaster).
Absolutely true, and absolutely utopia. EU is incapable to do any decisive strategy and will remain a vassal, puppet of USA for a long time. Just the way EU is structured is very different from USA or Russia or China, it cannot compete with them due to exorbitant fragmantation between so many nations.
I agree. Every EU member should be motivated by Ukraine to increase defense spending if they see Russia as a threat or even just the potential of a foreign invasion instead of relying on "well America will save us", America is being simultaneously called the ones causing chaos and the saviors, that is draining. The current EU is essentially a group of people who think they operate the world AND leverage America as the brawn but Americans are tired of it and moving toward isolationism, they don't want to spend their money on the world as the world tells them their the bad guys but shudder at the thought of china or russia replacing the US as the leading superpower. Make up you minds. This isn't to say i think America is innocent but they are far from being the evil villains people like to portray them as, tall poppy syndrome is prevalent in the EU.
one world police is not enough you want two???, please note any superpower is a threat to the USA they will never let it happen. just see how is europe today from 2 years ago is this not enough for a conclusion??
Amazing comment. You hit every nail on its head.
It baffles me that the leaders of the free world don't recognize that we're on the same team. Authoritarian regimes are literally working together to end democracies, while everyone is bickering about who gets what trade. Snap out of it people.
Well said.
Well Americans are getting sick and tired of bank rolling European defense with very little support from said Europeans. This comes at the cost of funding domestic infrastructure, healthcare and education. And to add insult to injury instead of recognizing the growing domestic discontent with constantly involving ourselves in foreign issues, both parties (besides Trump) want to further expand our foreign involvements. How is that fair to Americans? Our taxes go to supporting a continent that doesn’t even respect us and working class Americans receive sub par infrastructure and healthcare while Europeans can spend more on their own citizens. Either Europeans share in the costs or America pulls out it’s at simple as that. Russia nor middle eastern conflicts are a real threat to us. We are two oceans removed. They are threats to Europe and for so long Europe has been blissfully ignorant to the growing threats at their doorsteps.
@@DeusVult77763 Very little support? America influence in Europe is massive.
@@DeusVult77763You're funding your own militarily industrial complex ,creating american jobs and selling it to all NATO members which funny enough, actually subsidises your own industry and the american tax payers .If you feel that not enough is being spent on ordinary Americans, than I suggest you look at your own politicians, especially trump and the republicans. He gave a 2 trillion dollar tax cut to the rich and US corporations and they have done everything possible to stop Biden and the Democrats doing exactly what your asking for . We in europe have given Ukraine almost 3 times what you have and all we're asking for is the US to live up to it commitments as promised.
@@DeusVult77763 and yet the only time article 5 was ever invoked was when the US needed help... and europe had no problem helping out
That device he's holding, is that for advancing the teleprompter?
Whenever a video comes out that talks about American political issues, we are clearly reminded that the TLDR team does not live in the USA. This video was very good covering all three of it's main points clearly and in an accurate manner. However, the team still fell victim to the classic European view that the president/presidential candidate are totally representative of their party's views. This is often not the case. Many republicans strongly disagree with Trump, particularly on foreign policy within alliances, just as how many Democrats take issue with Biden's strong statements on Taiwan. Perhaps an American correspondent would be helpful in just double checking for some of these little blunders. Great work TLDR team, you help keep the news brief and have great dedication to your craft! Congrats on nearly 750K!
Genuinely good idea. Me and many others are very pro-European and I'd hate to live in a future where my European brothers are not our allies. Trump's MAGA Republicans are a poison in our democracy and while people like him and his followers spout this kind of crap, there are a lot of Republicans that are starting to turn against this kind of rhetoric and realizing what he truly is
They used to have one then they decided that it wasn’t needed
as opposed to european countries where all politicians think alike
Yup, Trump is trolling the EU/NATO crowd, like when he said, as president. "Why do we need NATO, the Cold War is over". Policy and rhetoric are different things. In the US, we all remember the German delegation at the UN laughing out loud when Trump criticized the Germany reliance on Russian energy, Who is laughing now?
In most parliamentary systems, the prime minister is the presiding member and chairman of the cabinet. He represents the party or coalition that has won the election and his views are very tied to the party as he can be removed in a vote of no confidence. In America who is elected president is not tied to who is elected as lawmakers. For example, a Democratic Party President can be elected while both the House and Senate are Republican majority. Additionally if the President chooses to defy his party and make decisions that they oppose, they cannot do much to stop many of his decisions. (Ex: choosing to veto a law his own party wanted to pass)@@RRRRR15
We really need to patch out America's infinite money glitch.
Dedollarization
Nothing is free us have 34 trillion dollar debt
34 trillion with a 2.2 trillion dollar deficit. Your future has already been sold out by boomers and these establishment politicians who will be dead within 10 years.
@@danishh8454 Imagine, having an infinite money glitch and still being able to run up that much debt.
@@zUJ7EjVD It's not really "debt". It's just the stockpile of US treasuries. Treasuries and dollars come from the same printer and can only be converted for one another. When they add to the "debt" they just turn dollars into treasuries, and when they "pay it off" they just turn those treasuries back into dollars
NATO stands for Needs America To Operate. OTAN stands for Obligations Tomorrow, America Now!
Josep Borrel is amazing. I praise him as a very wise man with great common sense.
Europe needs to develop their own energy and stop depending on any other major power. Everyone is a friene until it's no longer in their interest.
Explain where Europe gets it's future energy
@@philipbronson8709Plenty of potential for wind and nuclear, some hydro a few places.
Europe, or rather Norway, is expanding its oil production rapidly
@@bearcubdaycare price for nuclear went from 1 to 415. Wind potential requires industrial production, all of which moved to the USA last year.
Since these unpleasant developments, Europe has embraced that green energy, low quality coal.
Oh, and other renewables? 20 separate verticals that travel through Russia.
The last time Europe faced challenges of this magnitude was in the 1930s, and America remembers who had to fix that mess
@@hevnervals Norway is not an EU country, so will they be taking the leadership of the EU or will they be waiting to see if the Russians can find an undersea pipeline?
who is the guy speaking in 6:44?
That's Josep Borell who is a Spanish politician and a Vice President in the European Commission under Ursula von der Leyen.
@@Weda01 thank you, I wasnt able to understand has name completly
"Tha great risk for Europe is that it gets caught up in crises that ar not ours."
Oh, the irony! As an American, I'm sick and tired of a Europe that generally disrespects us anyway constantly expecting us to step in and sort out your military messes-- from sacrificing hundreds of thousands of our lives in two world wars to expecting us to shoulder trillions of dollars in military aid to your countries, most of which---until recently--would not even have been able to provide an active brigade in any conflict and who have been continuing to downsize rather than enhance their militaries before the current Russian invasion.
You have a higher quality of life, far more social programs and protections, often free medical, generous time off of work and shorter working hours and better working conditions generally--whil;e we are saddled with paying for our bloated military? So great--you want only the benefits but none of the risks in this generally one-sided alliance? Let's end it then, and good riddance!
We need an EU army already, and we should have started working on it 10 years ago.
The USA opened our markets at our own disadvantage, guaranteed safe trade on oceans, and provided a military security umbrella to beat the Soviets. It was a cold war agreement. Our interests don't completely align anymore. That's ok. We don't have to be allies, but we can be friends that engage in trade and look out for our own interests.
Yeah, we should part ways. American entanglements with Israel and the wars this causes does not benefit Europe
Someone's been listening to Peter Zeihan. There's a lot of truth in what you stated. But I think the cold war is back on because the CCP commies don't want to play fair just like the former Soviet Union. It's in everybody's strategic interest to address the CCP dilemma.
@@hevnervalsBut all those Americans who died liberating European sure were swell. Europe can’t be left to its own devices. The people are too entitled and blood thirsty. Most of the ME and worlds problem can be tracked to EU colonialism.
If the EU isn’t kept under the American thumb. You can bet your bottom dollar that another world war will start.
@@hevnervalsplease as if eu doing anything for Ukraine and esp Israel. All the eu loves doing is lecturing while they really only care about oil prices. Sooner we split the better it’s ridiculous our security agreements are why you spend so much on welfare it’s time for eu to pay fair share for their security and put their money where their mouth is instead of lecturing countries who actually are players. You always ridicule USA over Ukraine while giving barely anything to them compared to USA shipments and intelligence
@@hevnervals glad we agree. Best of luck.
Guys, whats going on with the color grading....
The United States and the European Union will be just fine. It’s all fear factor and the United States honest way of telling our friends from across the ocean to “step up”. Plus, the EU economy and societal living is heavily integrated with the United States. From our global companies, military technology, and the youth. Many young Europeans seeks work and education in the United States. Much of EU’s population and workforce is older than Americans workforce.
This is super easy to understand! Kudos!
This is another reason why Europe should do as much they can to hurry up it’s indepence on fossil fuels.
I don't see that happening as long as the world needs plastics and other petrochemical products for anything
@@sharkhead1177 Well, we will never completely face out fossil fuels, but enough to make Europe selfreliant , and without bending over to regimes and countries that use their power with it’s amount of oil and gas.
Where will that be? The north sea? Nuclear that now costs a lot more? Renewable energy, with all those cheap russian imports, no? If Europe could read a map or do math, they would understand none of those work
@@philipbronson8709
Nuclear doesn't cost more.
Also nuclear fusion research could be advanced faster if more countries would be willing to invest more.
@@philipbronson8709 IDK where you get a correlation between renewable energy and russian imports. The only things we've imported from Russia are oil and natural gas, both of which are very far from green and renewable. Plus most of that natural gas went to either more pro-russian countries like Germany, or russian dependent countries like Poland and Romania. If we're talking renewable energy, its more so solar, hydro, and especially wind energy! Denmark for the longest time have been a leader in wind energy, largely out of a need for energy independence after the 1970 oil crisis, however deployment of new wind turbines have massively slowed down in the last year or so ever since the government stopped the "open door" agreement.
There are a lot of assumptions made in EU capitals that are taken for granted about US presence in Europe.
First is economic. While the USD and Euro make up a vast majority of foreign reserves, the integration of the two economies keeps the two currencies trading at parity. A pullout and protectionism by US might put that parity in turmoil
Second is Militarily. US bases in Germany and Italy stabilize Europe. A pullout would cause a power vacuum and a serious debate on where the center of Europe would be. Would the French be the center whose military forces are the most capable, but historically (even within the European Union) has always put French interests above others, or would it be the Germans who has the economic powerhouse (to the chagrin of other countries as was Greece during the austerity crisis). Or would the Eastern European powers increase in influence as they increase their military spending? It's a recipe for potential chaos the power vacuum that would form. Along with question of Federalism vs. Ccnfederationilism of EU powers.
One commonly cited location is near the town of Suchowola in northeastern Poland. Another proposed location is in Lithuania, near the village of Purnuškės. Additionally, there are other calculations that place the center in different areas of Eastern Europe.
Why would France be the center?
You gotta pay your security bills
I doubt if the politician actually called him sir
Europe needs to move on from America and become more independent. America is no longer the good guys that people once ( often incorrectly) thought they were.
If anything, Europe needs to stop being a puppe t of the US.
I've heard this forever
I don’t know if it matters all that much in the end. As stated Europe as a whole often relies on the US and its sphere far more than the other way around. That is to say both could easily survive a political divorce but Europe would have to prepare for a seriously more complicated security climate that would test its unity and survival. Unless Russia went through a liberal revolution around the same time as the divorce or the Europeans found some sort of revolutionary new source of power I doubt they could ever truly decouple from the US.
They'd have to spend more on defense and manpower, which would then cause them to start picking fights with each other again.
@@shorewall Not if everyone is basically a member of NATO. Far more likely a US civil war (dumbfoolery) happens
Paying for Nebula and watching most videos on RUclips. Because there is no comment section on nebula. And their way of recomending new videos sucks. I don't say YT is perfect, but Nebula doesn't provide what i like about RUclips.
At the end of the day US underwrites not only European security from external threats but from each other. The European project is meant to remedies inherent divides and align divergent interests, but this would take time. For the foreseeable future European interest is very much tied to that of US. While Europe should strengthen their defense and forge a more independent FP, there is a practical limit to that independence as a junior partner of rule based order.
Not just trump. Hahaha! Trump loves the UK and the late queen. Was even hoping to do trade deals with us. But were so left in politics we nearly shit on our own faces.
In the US both parties ultimately want the same thing. Power, Money, Influence, or a combination of those. The Red VS Blue, is just a distraction that most are to blind to see. Distract and Divide.
Don’t take anything Trump says literally, instead ask why he is saying it and who he is addressing the comment to. Like he didn’t actually “lock up” hilary clinton like he said he would. He didn’t start a new war and for that alone I have to give him praise. How low the bar has fallen
@@Zadir09 Yea all he did was release 5,000 taliban soldiers, increase economic inequality by 30%, shrink the middle class, sour international relations, and undermine the fundamentals of democracy with fake electors that his advisors schemed up. And that's just off the top of my head. Such a good president guys.
We offered to bring the UK into NAFTA/USMCA but the Brits slow walked it into oblivion.
Europe needs to grow up...
What'd that "Europe" map? It's neither the EU nor EEA?
As a european... I 100% agree with what trump sayd there. Wtf do our countries governments expect when we dont pay????
We need to rely on ourselves.
Yeah, I like the US, and I don't mind Trump. I also think that Europe should be an equal and independent power and disengange from North America.
@@hevnervalsI despise the US and I bloody hate trump. But he is right in this. We need to stop relying on the US.
Totally. Also if Europeans have an actual defense force they can be a lot less subservient to the US when it comes to foreign policy. As usual, lefties will bash Trump because he talks like a guy in a bar…but the fact is - he is right on nato just like he was right warning Germany about their reliance on Russian gas (and they laughed at him…)
There are many countries paying way under the 2% and some countries like the US massively overpaying like 3.5%. He does have a point.
@@Jim90117 Yeah but all countries don´t have the same amount of money
The EU launched very significant protectionist measures that were targeted at American tech firms during the Obama administration which are still in effect. Talking about American protectionism without acknowledging that it's just starting to reciprocate, what the EU did first is misleading your audience.
Exactly
Yes and EU protectionism in many other industries, like agriculture and GMOs has been extreme. During the early 2000s every time an American GMO came out, it was banned in Europe. Then when a European company produced its own version, it became unbanned. It's a cynical game they've played against us for so many decades, and Trump was totally right in calling them out on it.
Bet Macron loved hearing Trump call him his "friend"...lol
Why is there a still photo of the White House at 2:50 with a particle effect added over the picture of the fountain and a lens flare sun added in the background when the sun is clearly coming from the side, not from behind? xD Why would that be necessary?!
4:42 I'm sorry but the UE is FAR more protectionist than the US. They have regulations upon regulations upon regulations for all foreign countries. They essentially act as trade barriers, you even have quotas for how much meat you can import. They've also been blocking for ages all free trade deals with Mercosur because it would conflict with all their farming protectionist policies. And like your own video states, there's no official trade deal with the US.
No it’s not, and everything you named happens on Europe soil, not the world stage. The US is the only country with military in every corner of the world ready to go. And without us world trade wouldn’t even be a thing that exists because it wouldn’t be safe enough. We US set the stage for the world hence why we’re the only country with the world’s reserve currency status
Guess who blocked the us trade deal with the eu? Trump. EU has one with canada though. The mercosur deal was blocked because why would europe accept south american crops if they deforest the amazonian forest for growing them for example? Why would they pay for south american cheap imports if they do not at least try to help with the climate crisis issue. EU is the largest trade block in the world and that is their leverage. And also, european farmers are a bunch of crybabys; you can not convince them to make room for cheap imports unless the case is 100% solid. One slip up, especially when it affects their crops too, like not respecting environmental standards and laws, accelerating the climate crisis is way to much for them to accept. You may call them farming protectionist policies but i still think these are good. And the eu pushed for the deal . It wasn't the other way around. They didn't block it for ages, the countries of mercosur couldn't meet the conditions and couldn't offer securities for the deal.
Europeans always do that lmao
@@sparks1792 USA stopped trade deal negotiation, not europe
If you believe Trump's story about the NATO head of state asking him that question, I have a bridge to sell you. There are so many things wrong with the "Mr. Daddy, please still defend us with your strong arms ❤" quote, including that Trump would protect their identity.
Yeap. Almost doesn't matter unfortunately. Trump, as possible President, still thinks this nonsense.
Yeah, the US should just stop paying for the EU’s defense, they don’t need them
@@jb8408 We don't pay for their defense though, we pay for our huge military and guarantee their defense in case of attack. That's different, the spending target of 2% gdp is not a bill paid to America, it's used for their purchase of military equipment from whomever they choose.
This is just a political tool for Trump, especially since the countries most at risk of russian aggression DO spend a lot more than 2% on defense.
@@jb8408 Article 5 has been only invoked once in NATOs entire existence, by the americans... Europe came to aid, even non-NATO members...
So the contries that meet the target of 2 % of the GDP has nothing to fear. What is the fuss about?
I think you illustrated well on this video the issue with how one-sided the relationship seems to be, which is the whole reason behind isolationism in the US.
The US does more on the middle east, even though it affects Europe more. Europe wants the US to be more focussed on Ukraine, but simultaneously doesn't care about China.
Europe needs to keep in mind that NATO doesn't exist to protect the US, it exists to protect Europe. Mainland North America has no credible outside threats, and haven't in centuries.
In exchange for getting the protection of the world's most powerful and expensive military, is it really that big an ask to tell European countries to contribute the amount they already commited to in order to contribute to their own defence.
A lot of Europe has gotten very used to feeling entitled to have big daddy US protection, and has forgotten that a deal like that needs to benefit both parties.
From my perspective, it’s clearly naturally in Europes interest to ally themselves with Russia. This whole nato thing is to some extent a ploy by the us to keep us divided from Russia and dependent on the US.
Basically to keep us happy enough so we don’t revolt but also weak enough to not be a contestant to the US
The core issue of NATO is that it is an alliance of inequal partners, leading to most nations ending up feeling (rightfully) like vassal states geopolitically.
Considering its immense size and power, no one can blame the US to be the leader of NATO.
This leads to NATO being an antenna of US political strength.
Furthermore, due to this very unique position, the US has been able to influence vastly its partners, and the US culture has penetrated in depth into Europe.
About the one sided relationship, one recent example is the Paris attack in 2015; when a 100 died and 500 were injured, the then US president called the french one warning him that a call upon article 5 would not be answered; obviously it was not in the mind of the french president anyway, but this wasn't the call of the US president in theory, just cementing that at the end NATO is a US toy.
Add to that for decades the insistence of the US to sabotaging the local defence industries in europe, while pushing europeans to spend their military funds on US equipment, and you end up with reluctant nations, which cannot live outside NATO, but also which don't feel the incentive to do much effort, letting the burden of having a strong military on their overlord.
The obvious exception is nations with a direct existential threat, like bordering Russia.
@@MN-vz8qm 'The entire point of NATO, expressed by the Europeans in 1949, was to keep Russia out, America in and Germany down. Since then, under this 'oppressive' overlord, you've experienced the longest period of peace and prosperity since the Roman Empire. Unfortunately for both of us, this era is ending. Good luck with your new oppressor.
@@MN-vz8qm beautifully put, I fully agree with your explanation. Europe's foreign policy was in large parts subordinated to American interests in exchange. Also, lets not forget that Europe lets the US get away with industrial espionage and light economic warfare a lot of the time. Europe does not look the other way when the US grabs the juicy pieces from its plate because they are stupid or don't know, but because that was the implicit deal they got: protection against submission into a "vassal state light".
@@kkpenney444 Europe hasn't waited for america to prosper.
On the contrary, the US has displaced Europe in the world (played a major role in dismanteling their empires) and put it under its control, economically, culturaly and militarily.
And wars have continued as usual, people don't seem to realize that for 3 centuries, most european nations have known only one total war per century, the world wars in the 20th century (needed 2 because the US were against being decisive at the end of the first), the napoleonic wars in the 19th century, the seven years war in the 18th century (the thirty years war for the central/eastern europeans).
And who would be the next "opressor" of the europeans?
The russians would can't manage to invade their poor neighbor next door?
5:00 the interesting question about the EU‘s dependence on trade is answered insufficiently here. The EU‘s industrial base is actually even bigger than that of the US, but the key is mainly that Europe lacks more energy ressources. However, most rare earths are also missing in the US or at least are not produced therein sufficient amounts. Both the EU and the US are trying to reduce that.
Generally, because the EU economy generates more income from exports than consumption compared to the US it is more integrated in global trade. It’s hard to say whether this is cause or effect.
Europe has a less homogenous market which makes it more difficult to first grow in the large home market before global trade gets involved.
"Rare Earths" are not rare. These are extracted usually as byproducts from other mining operations. The reason is was outsources to China, is they could do it much cheaper, not because we ran out. After China, threatened Japan with a cut off of rare earth minerals, the US and other countries started revive their processing capability, whose technology dates from the 1920's. This is an easy lift.
There is no such thing as a European market.
@@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer there is: the European single market. Hence the name.
@@tobiwan001 But there's no common language and pretty much all industry long predates any such attempts at unification. The EU as it exists today was founded in the 90s decades after Europe had started to decline in relevance.
@@jager6863 The real reason we outsourced RE production to China is because of how damaging it is to the environment. In the face of all the govt regulation, restarting domestic production will be a hard lift in the US. I don't think it will be possible in the EU.
Taiwan has GPU fabs. EU doesn't. Ai needs GPUs...
ASML creates the technology to make the best microchips, that's why Washington is so involved with Dutch politics and having them not sell the machines to China. Without ASML, Taiwan isn't making anywhere near the quality it is making now.
Exactly. The EU is with the US when it comes to Taiwan. Europe is as dependent on Taiwanese semiconductors as everyone else. However, the EU is geopolitically weaker than the US by some orders of magnitude so won't offer as much pushback in the event of Chinese aggression.
Taiwan can't build their factories without EU parts and microchip factories are currently being built in the EU
@JaegerDreadful which is another thing.. oh screw you europe? Well screw you America we will sell whatever we want to china including ASML
@@momytikthrough the genius policies of outsourcing. Watch how the car industry gets crushed now by China after we've allowed technology transfers over the last 20 years and now they're selling us cars at a heavily discount price through government subsidizes. The EU has been on a streak of stupid decisions for years. Not to mention the problems with migration with have started to metastisize more and more.
Looking at all the current leaders on each side of the world just tells you in what state the world is in when those people are considered "the best" for running a country.
America has to defend Europe if it wants democracy to survive.
😂😂 lmao
5:52 Europe reacted strongly to the IRA?!
You may wish to specify you mean the Inflation Reduction Act, not the terrorist organisation.
NATO countries should spend the agreed upon amount on defense. But for National security reasons, 0% of that money should be going to USA MIC, EU NATO members should build their own MIC see how USA likes it.
Europeans will love to hear that their taxes are going to go through the roof, no doubt.
You can't afford it. Only superpowers have the scale to have modern MICs.
Europeans throwing a fit because they actually have to pay for something hahaha
@@starventureOur taxes are already through the roof bud.
@@captainvanisher988 Well, it can and will get worse. This gravy train has to stop at the station at some point.
Imagine not paying a part of the security and demanding security "we can not gamble" 🤦
When Ukraine started, Germany was basically out of ammo, before the conflict started. One example of how defense was criminally neglected.
@@jager6863 Don't look at Germany. They've had mental issues about war, and a (somewhat false) hope for a more peaceful model of politics, with a fitting commitment.
Let's not pretend too much, that that is a wrong approach to take. The mental issues are historically sensible. And in a world dominated by those, who see conflict as the only solution to conflict, believing that a more peaceful politics is possible, is quite a gutsy stance.
And a necessary one, in my opinion. As at least then there are some nations that do not dive headfirst into a course to war.
Luckily I live in the UK our security arrangements with the US is separate from NATO and the EU, we have five eyes and AUKUS, besides Trump said the same thing about NATO in the 80s..
@@jager6863 And to that point I wonder if they had kept up with their military responsibilities to NATO if they'd be able to step up and arm Ukraine while the U.S. works out their contribution through our congress. It's not just Trump being a meanie pants, there are practical reasons why the EU should step up their defense. The American democratic process should and will come before everything else we have going on, so if every 4 years, and really every 2 years our government changes hands and so does our capacity to fund then the EU has to have its own defense capacity to float them through all the ebbs and flows of American sentiment. It's only practical at this point.
Hey, TLDR team! Tomorrow on the Daily video, do not forget the elections in Galiza.
No matter the governmental disagreements shown here, the US and Europe have been and still are culturally interlinked.
Not for long. Europe will be majority Muslim in 20 years, and the USA will be majority Hispanic in 10. All in all, Europeans and European-descendants are essentially going extinct.
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It may seem that way, but it's not. Europeans don't consider Americans like them, and Americans cannot relate to Europeans in anyway. Our cultures are different.
Any true supporter of Atlanticism will take Trump's statement as a sign that maybe there is an unequal relationship between the US and Europe. Before the War in Ukraine, most NATO members did not pay their fair share to defence. It is ridiculous that the US, maybe with a few others, shall bear most of the responsibility for NATOs defence.
Don't think that Europe are less protectionistic than the US, but there is a different type of protectionism. Instead of protectionism in regards to industrial manufacturing, it is more in regards to agriculture.
I wouldn’t say we’re falling out. Even if Trump returns to the White House which is a big IF but definitely possibly who will Europe turn to as a lifeline economically and militarily? Both the US and Europe need each other.
No, the US has its own food, energy, manufacturing, and mining. It rarely needs resource-poor Europe for anything.
Please, please, please! STOP conflating the EU with Europe. You even manage at times to conflate both with NATO!?
No. The EU is Europe. Europe without EU is unthinkable.
My point was, there are well over 150 million people who live on the European continent that do not live within the EU. Geography v political borders.
@@EUpunisher Norway, Switzerland, and the UK has stopped existing.
When Russia invaded Ukraine Germany decided it might be a good idea to check it's military readiness. They discovered that they didn't have a single combat ready tank battalion available due to low funding levels. That's not a military ally per NATO. That's a dependent. They wanted us to sign that we would defend them and their interests and they weren't even willing to contribute to the war effort if it ever came to it. They have since really escalated their military budget that but really has more to do with these tensions with the US and Russia acting aggressively. They are realizing that we aren't all that willing to defend someone who won't lift a finger to defend themselves.
the general opinion here was that we don't need a big military again, as no one during the 2000s and early 2010s thought that there will ever be a big war in europe again, terrorism was the big thing that everyone was focused at. There were global conflicts but the general opinion was "that's none of our business". The military has generally not a good reputation here due to our past. On the other side, Germany is the biggest money spender to Ukraine after the USA and if the US are really gonna stop their aid it will mostly rely on us and the rest of Europe to save the Ukraine.
@@muldrake Well think on the line "no one thought there will ever be a big war in Europe ever again." If that's the case, why was it so outrageous to everyone to suggest that we DISBAND NATO? Nobody thought that there was a need for the alliance right?
You can see how Americans feel that you were taking us for a ride and are only willing to contribute when you have absolutely no choice.
Well, let's be fair. Germany also told Zelensky it wouldn't negotiate with him bc Russia would own the country in a week. Germany was 1000% willing to sell Ukraine down the river to protect its economic interests in Russia, until that became untenable.
Having then learned ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, Germany then started cozying up with China, until that also started to fall apart.... now it's "Back to Iran."
@@russmitchellmovement Germanys sole power comes from exporting it's goods and China has been the biggest market, it's not far fetched to build up a trade with them. In hindsight it was all very naive but tbh most people back then wouldn't expect the world to turn into a powder keg like 10 years later. And Germany never had a friendship with Iran, I don't know why you're saying that. They thought it would be a good idea to make that deal with them (as other countries too) in order to have more control and influence, that was maybe naive as well, but like i said, it was a different world back then
@@colonel__klink7548 nope, NATO was the reason why everyone thought a big war is impossible apart from smaller ethnic conflicts in South East Europe. And yes, most people probably thought "we have the US and also France and UK with their nukes so why should anyone think about attacking us". I remember some interviews and documentaries, everyone thought that we now have the golden age of capitalism and all the people in the bad non-democratic countries will force their leaders to give them freedom and participation if they get rich enough through trading with us. But we now see that it's possible in the 21st century to be autocratic and aggressive but still rich and powerful like the big western democracies
As a Irish person America will always be my second favourite country and I am very honoured and proud to have American friends but it is clear that both of the main two parties in America only care about money not to mention Dwight D. Eisenhower's warning about the power of the military industry in his farewell address in 1961 has pretty much become a reality
maybe republicans do, but dems care about the people
@@grimaffiliations3671 both the GOP and DEM don't give a fuck anyone in general
@@Touhou-foreverYeah both political parties don't. Especially, if you're minority. 😂😂
@@tiredox3788 most definitely that's why if America had PR their votes would count even if they for a third party that's a extremist party but hey at least it would stop these extremist groups from infecting the Elephants and the Donkeys with their extremist ideas and policies
@@Touhou-forever not true, just look at what dems pass on the state level. The two parties are very different
The United States cannot have it both ways. Saying that it wants out of NATO and then criticising France for showing independent policy on Taiwan does not make logical sense.
Europe can't have it both ways saying it doesn't want to get involved in crises that aren't theirs, then criticizing the US for not wanting to subsidize Europe's defense.
@@gaychinee ?? Please learn a bit more before making a comment like that. In 2016, Trump came out against US policy of protecting Europe. This was a policy developed in the 1960's to prevent the rearming of Europe. It was deliberate. Kenedy did not want to have a nuclear armed Germany. Trump coming out against NATO is going to put US security at massive risk. If the US withdraws its nuclear umbrella, Europe will have to become a nuclear military power and so will Canada. The trump needs to be very careful here.
The head of a big European country stood up and said, *Sir* ;)
The topic of diplomatic relations and the complexity of international politics is always fascinating! It's great to see discussions that explore the nuanced factors beyond just prominent figures like former President Trump. Understanding the historical, cultural, and political ties between Europe and America can offer valuable insights into current global dynamics. It's always enlightening to delve into such subjects and consider the various perspectives and forces at play in shaping international relationships. What an intriguing area for exploration and discussion!
Macron says its not our crisis but don't we also need the Advanced chips Taiwan produces?
American Congress is the reason for the division. Europe is learning America is a political basket case. Like having a Bi-Polar friend. What mood are they showing up with today?
A Two Party State does not function when both parties are so far apart on so many issues.
If you continue to carpool with a guy that shows up drunk half the time, who's really to blame?
The war in Gaza has not increased terrorism in Europe. I just want to make that clear.
0:02 I think it’s taken out of context
Okay so I'm a European citizen in one of the many countries that "doesn't pay enough".
I'm mostly confused. On the one hand, it's fair enough. As NATO, we agreed on 2% of total gdp has to go to millatairy. Which isn't a huge ask, yet many countries are failing at it which is just disappointing.
On the other hand, the U.S. had made it clear that it is against an "European Union Army". This is because that if the European Union creates such an army, there would essentially be no use for U.S. protection and they didn't like that idea either. That way, the U.S. would lose alot of global control.
So I just don't know what the U.S. wants anymore.
Screw what they want. We NEED a EU Army!!!
I’m an American, and regardless of the rhetoric you here, I think the vast majority of Americans want peace and to get out of world affairs. We spend so much on foreign wars, saber rattle, and stick our nose into everything. We have a country falling apart here and need to focus internally. But, that doesn’t mean we do not like our European allies.
@Gweilo44 Yeah I'm a fan of that idea aswell. Europe is more united than ever before. Let's use that, while simultaneously doing something to ensure it stays that way.
@@476233 You say that as if someone is dragging you into those conflicts, when in reality, the only time Article 5 has been invoked, it's been invoked by Americans, and Europe responded.
No no, I don't disagree with you that you should worry more about your internal affairs with everything going on, but the fact of the matter is, we are not here to like or dislike eachother, these are deals, it's business. Nobody is asking you to start a war, but if you're a leader of NATO, and you say you won't protect the members in case they're attacked, you've rendered that whole organization moot.
No hard feelings, but Europeans have growing distaste for Americans and their cultural exports like identity politics, DEI and such crap. These do not belong in Europe. With everything you said, I get a sense you don't think they belong in the US either, but right now, Europeans don't think very highly of Americans.
I noticed that the trend of shifting right happened at the same time the discussions of a EU army started becoming more prominent. I don't think that's a coincidence, I think that signals a clear shift from the US. Our woke puppets in the EU are losing elections left and right. Personally, if I was American, I would vote for Trump, nevertheless that does have implications for NATO and the future relations of Europe and the US.
@@EUpunisher Many Europeans would disagree on that, I do not want the EU and the bureaucrats that run it any kind of military super power. That would be disastrous.
I live in a west european country. To my opinion we have a huge bureaucracy and our laws come from 1970s. Hence, we cannot take fast decisions. We cannot stop illegal migration, we cannot step up with defense industry etc. This is a reason why our political and economic model is getting unattractive.
The US has a problem with moving slowly on changes too. Similarly, we are having problems with migration, fixing our defense industry and the additional problems of health care and gun control. The US' issue is that we are too big and have a two party system that doesn't accurately reflect 95% of the population. As a result, we keep swinging from one extreme to the other and accomplishing little. Hopefully this changes, but something drastic would have to happen for politicians to come together.
love the pentagram at the start.morning star.
As an American, I can’t help but notice the hypocrisy, irony and the audacity of 3:45 coming from the Europeans