10:40 my favorite part is the coaches wife giving him a hug, really shows how the players were like family to them and it wasn't just her husband's job.
i wouldnt be surprised if half those players straight up call her momma. the way she is so excited on that field for coach and the entire team to hugging players with no hesitation, you know that team is family at this point
Siri was the pinch-runner who wagged his finger at Yadi in Spring Training when Yadi tried to nail him on first base after the pitch. After Siri wagged his finger, Yadi dared him to steal second, and your breakdown showed how well things work out when someone challenged Yadi on the basepaths.
3:34 For those who are curious, this is the rule from the 2024 NFHS Football Rulebook: (3.7.3) During the same dead-ball interval, no substitute shall become a player and then withdraw and no player shall withdraw and re-enter as a substitute unless a penalty is accepted, a dead-ball foul occurs, there is a charged time-out or the period ends. White 29 was the deep receiver for the punt. He left the field of play then returned for 1st and 10. This is a hard one to call as a Ref since you needed to know that the trick play was happening and that 29 left the field before coming back on.
This clarification makes my comment a moot point. I didn't realize he was on the field during the punt. Other than him being on during the punt, it would've been a legal play due to the dead ball on change of possession. Good catch.
@@bigpoppa1234 "there's probably also a rule" There isn't, and I'm not sure why you would just guess when the person above you has referenced the actual rulebook
If you were curious whether this play could be run in the pros, it would definitely be illegal by NFL rules: 5-2-5. Offensive Substitutions "The substitution rules are intended to prevent teams from using simulated substitutions to confuse an opponent, while still permitting a player (or players) to enter and leave without participating in a play in certain situations, such as a change in a coaching decision on fourth down, even though he has approached the huddle and communicated with a teammate. Similarly, if a player who participated in the previous play leaves the playing field by mistake, and returns to the playing field prior to the snap, he is not required to reach the inside of the field numerals, provided the defense has the opportunity to match up with him. However, a substitute (i.e., someone who did not participate in the previous play) is required to reach the inside of the field numerals." "The following are applicable to any offensive substitute who is entering the game: (a) He must move onto the field of play or the end zone as far as the inside of the field numerals prior to the snap to be a legal substitution. If he does not and is on the field of play or end zone at the time of a legal snap, he is an illegal substitute." Technically, because the player was on the field for the previous play, he wouldn't be required to be inside the numerals before getting set. However, the rule also states "provided the defense has the opportunity to match up with him." That's gonna be a judgment call by the refs how long is required to deem that a defense "had the opportunity", but I think most would agree that this time span wasn't long enough. (The Manziel play was fine because he never left the field of play.)
Rule 9, Section 6, Article 4d of the NFHS Football rule book says "ART. 4... It is illegal participation d. To use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents at or immediately before the snap or free kick." That's not just judgement or interpretation. This exact situation is explicitly called out as illegal. Refs screwed up.
If the rule is 3 feet from the point of the tag he took 3 steps in running stride from the point of the tag and that made him like 10 feet from where the tag was attempted
well what is considered a tag attempt making a physical motion or have the ball in your glove bc he didnt run anymore out when the swiping motion was made but he caught the ball when he was on the. ase well then hed be out of the line
the point where Jimmy said the tag attempt was right outside the 3rd base coaches box and he took 3 running stride after that. That's where I'm going from
Lol ur making me watch this 100 times. So your right it's not when he paused it it's a little after but he still goes way past 3' from that point. 3 feet is 36 inches. Being generous that's 2 strides in a running motion. We'll have to agree to disagree. But it's a moot point because those are MLB rules so who knows what this leagues rules are
The argument about it being an "unnatural line to continue running" is totally bunk and I'm kind of surprised Jomboy argued this wasn't a clear out of the basepath.
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6:20 - Even IF (big IF) it was technically legal (as in a loophole), that play clearly goes against the spirit of the rules and the game. Super unsportsmanlike, IMHO.
The question is, what is considered a tag attempt? You could argue that the 3rd basemen started his tag attempt as soon as he got the ball because he reaches down to try and tag the runner's feet and trails behind his feet and never stops trying to tag him. That would mean the basepath is established right on top or or just a little to the left of the 3rd base line. If that's the case he travels much further than 3 feet.
@@BojackUnb0und according to the rules a tag attempt starts the second the fielder has possession of the ball and is reaching towards the runner. Like you said that happens almost immediately after Siri passes past third base. So clearly Siri is out of the path as he runs way way out
I think the spirit of the rule here allows this to a point. I don't think it is fair to "start the clock" literally the second the guy gets the ball and wants to put him out. I think it makes more sense to require the runner to do something with intentionality. A good bit of the being off the base line here is his slide going past third. As soon as he is up he is more or less advancing down the line. I don't hate it. Frankly, I think the rule is a bit too strict. Give them 5 feet I say.
Under OBR, the minor league manual gives us the following definition: “When determining whether a base runner should be called out under Rule 5.09(b) (1), so long as the umpire determines that a play is being made on the runner and an attempt to tag is occurring (i.e., the fielder is moving to tag the runner), no physical tag attempt is required to call a runner out for leaving the basepath.“ Simply moving towards the runner in an attempt to retire them is enough to judge a tag attempt.
@ ART. 4 . . . It is illegal participation: d. To use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents at or immediately before the snap or free kick.
I watched a high school ref stare at a defensive end as he forcibly shoved a helmet-less opponent's face into the ground after a play and ignore it. Same crew later that game called back-to-back unsportsmanlike penalties on the defense for swearing (none of the players said a word) to aid the offense cuz they had stalled. It was so obvious the refs were paid off the head coach of the cheated team consulted a lawyer. Nothing they could do.
@@dc1397 surely whatever the coach discussed with the refs beforehand did not involve running a player on at the last second from out of bounds and not allowing the defense an opportunity to reset.
@stephenbeck7222 then there would have been a flag thrown for this play. I find it hard to believe that this was legal. I don't know if the high school football rules are different from state to state, but they mentioned it was discussed and cleared with the refs. Maybe it is a loophole where your team notices you only have ten guys out there and then you truck one on there?
Yup, got a bit misty eyed. Seeing how happy the coach's kid was, seeing how the player didn't mind getting intercepted by the little one, seeing how the wife gave the player a big ol' hug. Man, this is what winning celebrations should look like. Don't be a sore winner, like some we've seen recently.
My problem with “how’s he supposed to just turn - he’s so far away and his body is turned” is that he’s in that situation because he ran so far from the base. The initial tag was applied near the base and he went ten feet over. Baseline rule is so arbitrary idk how verbiage/field lines have never been clarified for it
So yes his momentum took him into foul territory, but then he kept going further into foul territory in order to avoid the tag. Clearly out of the baseline. I don’t blame it though because it was a fun play.
Base path. Base path (not baseline) is created the moment the tag attempt is made (ie the moment3rd baseman starts to move to the runner), before that moment the runner can run pretty much as far away from the baseline as he wants.
The rule doesn't say "the base path is created when the tag is attempted, unless he's running past the base and his momentum carries him outside the base path." He was way the hell outside the base path, immediately after the third baseman tried to tag him.
He ran out of the base path not because of his natural momentum, but specifically to evade the tag. Should be out in the spirit of the game any time that happens by over 3 ft.
Then watch MLB where billionaires won't try that hard to win. They need your viewership and money to pay players a billion dollars to Caddilac their base running. I'd rather watch girls fast pitch than baseball any day of the week.
The base path is only created once a tag attempt is being made As soon as the catcher got the ball, there's a line made between Siri and the catcher Siri's allowed to run up to 3 feet out that path
That isn't what spirit of the game means, you are describing literalism. He wasn't running into left field like Beltre did that one time, he was running to the plate. Even if he deviates more than three feet here, the spirit of the rule is that the runners aren't just avoiding a tag but trying to advance or retreat. He was clearly advancing here.
@@VoidiumTheEye Thank you, that is correct! The baserunner doesn't choose base path based on what is happening behind them, especially if what is behind them cannot tag them (imagine the RF making a lunge toward the runner rounding 3rd, that being a 'tag attempt' and the runner called out for taking the usual swing around 3rd), rather the runner is trying to go to home and the tag attempt only starts when a fielder has a legitimate shot at the tag which 3B did have otherwise he would have tagged him.
@5:53 I really thought a player not on the field had to come out between the hashmarks to officially check in to the play. Maybe I'm wrong; maybe that doesn't apply to this league?
For the baseball one at 3:00 or so in! Yes he’s out because to avoid the “late” tag attempt he purposely runs “away” from the base line to run around the tag instead of heading straight for home, which is illegal! U can not run away from the base line to avoid a tag when u r already more than the 3’ aloud from it, have to take a straight line to the next base!
Agreed. I think Jomboys take on that interaction is way off. He puts the attempt to tag way after. The third basemen is trying to tag him while he's still getting up. Then tries to explain it as he's trying to turn. He's not rounding the bag dude. He's getting up and running away from the other player, i.e. avoiding the tag. Hes like 15 feet out of his basepath. the play at home...that's on the catcher.
@ exactly, he’s not rounding third he over slide it n then stood up n purposely ran away from the baseline to avoid the tag. Then did it again instead jumping over the catcher.
Being a New Zealander, I understand Rugby. And in Rugby, a player may only enter the field of play when the match is stopped and the referee has given permission. Seems like a rule that should apply in American Football so you don't have players running off and on all the time leading to confusion. Had the Wide Receiver stood just inside the sideline yelling encouragement like they were an excited reserve/substitute then they could have got away with it.
Thing is, those rules do exist in American football… that play isn’t even close to legal. I assume that the refs made some weird error in thinking that it’s not a “substitution” because there’s only ten men on the field, but substitutions are more so “check-ins” in reality, not literal 1:1 substitutions. He didn’t properly check-in to the game is a more clear way of saying it.
I feel there should be a minimum time if you’re running a substitution before you can run a play The idea that any dude can just run out and have the ball snapped quickly is so wild to me
@@TheHeadincharge The HS rule is that they have to be inside the numbers after the ball is whistled ready for play (he was) and set (he was). The official at the top even "punches" backwards (this is a communication to the rest of the crew that the player nearest to him is "off the line" and legally in the backfield), so they didn't miss it. They can't just step on the field (have to be at a minimum between the numbers and the hash), and they can't be in motion. Need to stop blaming the officials every time something happens - this was a legal play and a great design by the HC of the white team.
@@Weinzierl1973 someone posted the relevant sections from the NFHS rulebook, it's definitely illegal: "During the same dead-ball interval, no substitute shall become a player and then withdraw and no player shall withdraw and re-enter as a substitute unless a penalty is accepted, a dead-ball foul occurs, there is a charged time-out or the period ends. It is illegal participation to use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents at or immediately before the snap or free kick." similar rule in the NFL rulebook: "Using entering substitutes, legally returning players, substitutes on sidelines, or withdrawn players to confuse opponents, or lingering by players leaving the field when being replaced by a substitute, is unsportsmanlike conduct. See 12-3-1-k." seems it is rightfully illegal at all levels of play.
Two things... 1) In the football play breakdown, I noticed one of the Darien kids in the student section wearing a Rimouski Oceanics jersey. Very cool. 2) Jimmy's TGC hoodie. Fucking love The Grade Cricketer podcast.
I'm calling that steal of home out twice. If a guy gets a single can he just run through the base into the outfield slap the center fielder on the ass then make his way to second. What's the path back to first?
Yes, yes he can run all the way to right field before breaking for second. It is generally a dumb play, so it isn't done, but if he were to do so, he would be safe if not tagged out. This is basic rules of baseball.
1:41 Couldn't you say the tag is attempted here? Either way the runner is stationary, not moving, then gets up running about 45 degrees outside of base path to home.
2:58 - Clearly the runner was out - he ran so far off 3rd that he was in the base coach area! Can you run into the stands, up and then down the aisle and then back down to the field and touch home base?
You cannot leave the field of play. You could run all the way to the on-deck area before breaking for the plate though and that would be completely legal if a tag attempt hasn't been made.
If it was someone running from the sidelines who should of been out there (honest mistake) nobody would care and I don't see a rule against it, say somehow it was the right tackle that came running on the field and lined up, nobody would bat an eye, by the time the ball was snapped he was lined up correctly. I gotta say it's cheeky but I don't see it being illegal.
Loved to find this show and haven't missed much since! I do feel the base running is good though, momentum running around bases carries you far anyways. And the football I agree, should have been on the field for it to count.
My favorite fun fact as a baseball umpire is that, as long as no one is trying to tag you, you can literally run from second base, into center field, then to third base and you're totally fine.
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When the tag attempt began on 3rd, he ran away from the tag toward the stands. He ran well over 3 feet away from the straight line where the 3rd baseman reached his arm out to tag him.
Is it really that hard to prevent this problem forever by not allowing the runner to touch grass, and obviously extend the dirt path to 1st and home like in between the fair bases? A straight line 3 feet out from the tag attempt seems like a rule someone that never played baseball would make.
I played in the FCIAC 45 years ago. It was against the rules to be out of bounds after the huddle and come into the play. You had to be in bounds for the old " tying your shoes " trick
Not in the huddle, then not in the game. Thats why 12 men in the huddle is a penalty and the offense cant substitute on hurryup. Otherwise people could just stand on the sideline and switch out as if in motion at the last second.
The 3rd baseman got way closer to tagging him than the catcher ever did. Also momentum is not a thing when it comes to base path. Did the runner deviate 3 feet from the path? That’s all that matters. His momentum carrying him 3 feet out is irrelevant
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I suspect the substitution rule requires a player entering the field to go inside the numbers (as opposed to 1 step in from the side line), which is why he runs in (more that 1 foot) and stops specifically once he reached the numbers.
For the benefit of everyone confused about "when does the tag attempt actually occur?" here is the definition from the MLB Umpires Manual "the fielder is moving to tag the runner, no physical tag attempt is required to call a runner out for leaving the basepath."
High school coach here, I've had a ref tell me after a late substitution of our gunner on punt, that a player just has to come within the numbers. He can run in between the numbers and back out as long as he enters the number to report. Looks like he is inside the numbers, should stand
I almost had a heart attack! When Siri stole home Jomboy triggered my Siri and almost called someone I really didn’t want called! I was yelling at my phone No Noooo 😂
10:40 my favorite part is the coaches wife giving him a hug, really shows how the players were like family to them and it wasn't just her husband's job.
Godammit the Vermont thing made me cry when the coach’s wife hugs the player
She is for sure a great mom.
Right there w/ you
She's a queen. Total class act. Saw what was happening and got that player like a boss. So adorable, actually.
i wouldnt be surprised if half those players straight up call her momma. the way she is so excited on that field for coach and the entire team to hugging players with no hesitation, you know that team is family at this point
I got a hug from the captain Adrian's mom. What a game.
Siri was the pinch-runner who wagged his finger at Yadi in Spring Training when Yadi tried to nail him on first base after the pitch. After Siri wagged his finger, Yadi dared him to steal second, and your breakdown showed how well things work out when someone challenged Yadi on the basepaths.
Yadi is the manager for the opposing team in that play too haha
@@miguelhernandez8577The Aguilas and The Gigantes, two teams of the Cibao.
Even since then I've never heard Siri's name without thinking "Dude got clowned by Yadi in a spring training game".
That Vermont celebration is so good. Wholesome from everyone.
3:34 For those who are curious, this is the rule from the 2024 NFHS Football Rulebook:
(3.7.3) During the same dead-ball interval, no substitute shall become a player and then withdraw and no player shall withdraw and re-enter as a substitute unless a penalty is accepted, a dead-ball foul occurs, there is a charged time-out or the period ends.
White 29 was the deep receiver for the punt. He left the field of play then returned for 1st and 10. This is a hard one to call as a Ref since you needed to know that the trick play was happening and that 29 left the field before coming back on.
This clarification makes my comment a moot point. I didn't realize he was on the field during the punt. Other than him being on during the punt, it would've been a legal play due to the dead ball on change of possession. Good catch.
@@MasonAkersOfficial there's probably also a rule that a player entering the field cannot do so in a manner to confuse the defence.
@@bigpoppa1234 "there's probably also a rule"
There isn't, and I'm not sure why you would just guess when the person above you has referenced the actual rulebook
@@foxmcclout2665 You probably can’t stutter step either cuz that might confuse the defense too
If you were curious whether this play could be run in the pros, it would definitely be illegal by NFL rules:
5-2-5. Offensive Substitutions
"The substitution rules are intended to prevent teams from using simulated substitutions to confuse an opponent, while still permitting a player (or players) to enter and leave without participating in a play in certain situations, such as a change in a coaching decision on fourth down, even though he has approached the huddle and communicated with a teammate. Similarly, if a player who participated in the previous play leaves the playing field by mistake, and returns to the playing field prior to the snap, he is not required to reach the inside of the field numerals, provided the defense has the opportunity to match up with him. However, a substitute (i.e., someone who did not participate in the previous play) is required to reach the inside of the field numerals."
"The following are applicable to any offensive substitute who is entering the game:
(a) He must move onto the field of play or the end zone as far as the inside of the field numerals prior to the snap to be a legal substitution. If he does not and is on the field of play or end zone at the time of a legal snap, he is an illegal substitute."
Technically, because the player was on the field for the previous play, he wouldn't be required to be inside the numerals before getting set. However, the rule also states "provided the defense has the opportunity to match up with him." That's gonna be a judgment call by the refs how long is required to deem that a defense "had the opportunity", but I think most would agree that this time span wasn't long enough.
(The Manziel play was fine because he never left the field of play.)
Are we just going to ignore how if Vermont's coach just let that mustache grow out a bit more he could be Ted Lasso's twin?
The assistant was also mustachioed, it just made me giggle. BELIEVE
Coaches son looks a bit like a young Magnus Carlsen. If you don't know who that is, he is probably the greatest Chess player who has ever lived.
Rule 9, Section 6, Article 4d of the NFHS Football rule book says
"ART. 4... It is illegal participation
d. To use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents at or immediately before the snap or free kick."
That's not just judgement or interpretation. This exact situation is explicitly called out as illegal. Refs screwed up.
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Hiding behind coaches is where you gotta draw the line. Outside the field, NOT A PLAYER anymore.
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Wasn't he inside the field when the play started?
Right? Ten feet outside the base coach marker is ridiculous; would have been called in little league.
@@gordoeinstein He's talking about the football play.
Yeah. Let's draw the line on, y'know, THE LINE!
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If the rule is 3 feet from the point of the tag he took 3 steps in running stride from the point of the tag and that made him like 10 feet from where the tag was attempted
well what is considered a tag attempt making a physical motion or have the ball in your glove bc he didnt run anymore out when the swiping motion was made but he caught the ball when he was on the. ase well then hed be out of the line
the point where Jimmy said the tag attempt was right outside the 3rd base coaches box and he took 3 running stride after that. That's where I'm going from
@ yeah but it wasnt when he paused it it was once he started it again the tag was a few steps after
Lol ur making me watch this 100 times. So your right it's not when he paused it it's a little after but he still goes way past 3' from that point. 3 feet is 36 inches. Being generous that's 2 strides in a running motion. We'll have to agree to disagree. But it's a moot point because those are MLB rules so who knows what this leagues rules are
The argument about it being an "unnatural line to continue running" is totally bunk and I'm kind of surprised Jomboy argued this wasn't a clear out of the basepath.
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6:20 - Even IF (big IF) it was technically legal (as in a loophole), that play clearly goes against the spirit of the rules and the game. Super unsportsmanlike, IMHO.
And they still lost😂😂
The question is, what is considered a tag attempt? You could argue that the 3rd basemen started his tag attempt as soon as he got the ball because he reaches down to try and tag the runner's feet and trails behind his feet and never stops trying to tag him. That would mean the basepath is established right on top or or just a little to the left of the 3rd base line. If that's the case he travels much further than 3 feet.
@@BojackUnb0und according to the rules a tag attempt starts the second the fielder has possession of the ball and is reaching towards the runner. Like you said that happens almost immediately after Siri passes past third base. So clearly Siri is out of the path as he runs way way out
Agreed. He was 10-12 feet out of the base path after rounding 3rd base because of this analysis. (Assuming the same MLB rule applies).
I think the spirit of the rule here allows this to a point. I don't think it is fair to "start the clock" literally the second the guy gets the ball and wants to put him out. I think it makes more sense to require the runner to do something with intentionality. A good bit of the being off the base line here is his slide going past third. As soon as he is up he is more or less advancing down the line. I don't hate it. Frankly, I think the rule is a bit too strict. Give them 5 feet I say.
Under OBR, the minor league manual gives us the following definition:
“When determining whether a base runner should be called out under Rule 5.09(b)
(1), so long as the umpire determines that a play is being made on the runner and an
attempt to tag is occurring (i.e., the fielder is moving to tag the runner), no physical tag
attempt is required to call a runner out for leaving the basepath.“
Simply moving towards the runner in an attempt to retire them is enough to judge a tag attempt.
@@MrJimi16 it doesn’t matter what you think is fair. It’s what the rule book says.
10:54 A genuine wholesome moment on the internet. Dont get that much. Nice job this year guys!
Love these.. big thanks to the crew who find these clips.
We ran that play in middle school. The receiver has to be on the field according to every ref we asked pre-game.
Still illegal in NFHS rules. The Manziel one would be illegal. Not all HS refs know all the rules, so people get away with it, but it is illegal in HS
Why would the Manziel one be illegal?
@ it is a pretended substitution or replacement for deception. Illegal in NFHS.
@ ART. 4 . . . It is illegal participation: d. To use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents at or immediately before the snap or free kick.
@@auzmo thats not what it says and anyone can go check for themselves. why lie to strangers on the internet? is it an attention thing?
Hiding behind the coach. Not a good trick.
I didn't like it when that NBA player hid behind Spoelstra and I don't like it here either. It's not in the spirit of good sportsmanship.
@diamondthree Yeah it's cheap bush league stuff.
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Great celebration breakdown.
The attempted tag was much earlier!
The first tag attempt came way earlier than when Jonny said
@@andrewthomadsen5220 yeah the runners foot was on the dirt when he started to attempt to tag
That football play was so unsportsmanlike, even if the refs ok'd it.
Should have been in bounds all the time instead of out of bounds. But, it cleared the refs beforehand.
I watched a high school ref stare at a defensive end as he forcibly shoved a helmet-less opponent's face into the ground after a play and ignore it. Same crew later that game called back-to-back unsportsmanlike penalties on the defense for swearing (none of the players said a word) to aid the offense cuz they had stalled. It was so obvious the refs were paid off the head coach of the cheated team consulted a lawyer. Nothing they could do.
I thought that if the offense brings a player on from the sidelines, then the defense gets a chance to make a substitution.
@@dc1397 surely whatever the coach discussed with the refs beforehand did not involve running a player on at the last second from out of bounds and not allowing the defense an opportunity to reset.
@stephenbeck7222 then there would have been a flag thrown for this play. I find it hard to believe that this was legal. I don't know if the high school football rules are different from state to state, but they mentioned it was discussed and cleared with the refs.
Maybe it is a loophole where your team notices you only have ten guys out there and then you truck one on there?
Wow Jomboy! Last segment explains why you a real American sports fan/father.
Looks like Vermont got themselves a real life Ted Lasso
F*cking FANTASTIC ending. I was crying. I am man enough to say that. The best to you and yours Jomboy and everyone out there.
Yup, got a bit misty eyed. Seeing how happy the coach's kid was, seeing how the player didn't mind getting intercepted by the little one, seeing how the wife gave the player a big ol' hug. Man, this is what winning celebrations should look like. Don't be a sore winner, like some we've seen recently.
My problem with “how’s he supposed to just turn - he’s so far away and his body is turned” is that he’s in that situation because he ran so far from the base. The initial tag was applied near the base and he went ten feet over. Baseline rule is so arbitrary idk how verbiage/field lines have never been clarified for it
Vermont's team reactions were 💯. I love the thrill of Victory, especially from Cinderella Teams.
How the heck was that not off the base path 😂
How the heck is MLB paying guys nearly a billion dollars to not try that hard?
@@youropionmattersnotbecause it’s against the rules.
because of the actual rules that say what the base path is.
He just created his own base path
@@pablodelorbe9600if there is never a tag attempted the runner can go where ever he wants he could run the the warning track
So yes his momentum took him into foul territory, but then he kept going further into foul territory in order to avoid the tag. Clearly out of the baseline. I don’t blame it though because it was a fun play.
Base path. Base path (not baseline) is created the moment the tag attempt is made (ie the moment3rd baseman starts to move to the runner), before that moment the runner can run pretty much as far away from the baseline as he wants.
The rule doesn't say "the base path is created when the tag is attempted, unless he's running past the base and his momentum carries him outside the base path."
He was way the hell outside the base path, immediately after the third baseman tried to tag him.
Never thought I'd almost cry watching a Jomboy, Things You Missed, Soccer clip
He ran out of the base path not because of his natural momentum, but specifically to evade the tag. Should be out in the spirit of the game any time that happens by over 3 ft.
Then watch MLB where billionaires won't try that hard to win.
They need your viewership and money to pay players a billion dollars to Caddilac their base running.
I'd rather watch girls fast pitch than baseball any day of the week.
Seems that you need to learn the rule then
The base path is only created once a tag attempt is being made
As soon as the catcher got the ball, there's a line made between Siri and the catcher
Siri's allowed to run up to 3 feet out that path
That isn't what spirit of the game means, you are describing literalism. He wasn't running into left field like Beltre did that one time, he was running to the plate. Even if he deviates more than three feet here, the spirit of the rule is that the runners aren't just avoiding a tag but trying to advance or retreat. He was clearly advancing here.
@@VoidiumTheEye Thank you, that is correct! The baserunner doesn't choose base path based on what is happening behind them, especially if what is behind them cannot tag them (imagine the RF making a lunge toward the runner rounding 3rd, that being a 'tag attempt' and the runner called out for taking the usual swing around 3rd), rather the runner is trying to go to home and the tag attempt only starts when a fielder has a legitimate shot at the tag which 3B did have otherwise he would have tagged him.
10:19 ok, that got me misty
Every time a coach finds a trick play, they add 5 more pages to the football rulebook.
This was already against the rules, the refs fucked up
@@nolananderson4782Yeah I don’t even understand how any ref could possibly think that play was ok… it’s quite clear that that’s completely illegal.
shoutout to coach's wife, great awareness
championship hugging fr
The coach and his wife literally had a baby on Thanksgiving like 2 weeks before this game.
@@Tristan_802 YES I HOPE JOMBOY SEE THIS COMMENT HOLY SHIT @JOMBOYMEDIA
@5:53 I really thought a player not on the field had to come out between the hashmarks to officially check in to the play. Maybe I'm wrong; maybe that doesn't apply to this league?
Our high school rule was we had to come inside the numbers.
For the baseball one at 3:00 or so in! Yes he’s out because to avoid the “late” tag attempt he purposely runs “away” from the base line to run around the tag instead of heading straight for home, which is illegal! U can not run away from the base line to avoid a tag when u r already more than the 3’ aloud from it, have to take a straight line to the next base!
Agreed. I think Jomboys take on that interaction is way off. He puts the attempt to tag way after. The third basemen is trying to tag him while he's still getting up. Then tries to explain it as he's trying to turn. He's not rounding the bag dude. He's getting up and running away from the other player, i.e. avoiding the tag. Hes like 15 feet out of his basepath. the play at home...that's on the catcher.
@ exactly, he’s not rounding third he over slide it n then stood up n purposely ran away from the baseline to avoid the tag. Then did it again instead jumping over the catcher.
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I love your shows, thank you ;)
Thank you so much y'all!! My life is so brightened by Jomby! Joy Sports and superlative lipreading! Thanks again!!!
Wholesome, hilarious, and awesome. Thanks, Jomboy!
Think we all needed that last story, loved the break down of the hugs!
the last one did get me a bit. that was beautiful. I love sports.
Coach's wife with the hugs-by-proxy made my day.
Dammit man... I wasn't expecting to cry when I turned on this video. It's like watching Rudy for the 136th time and still bawling at the end.
Being a New Zealander, I understand Rugby. And in Rugby, a player may only enter the field of play when the match is stopped and the referee has given permission. Seems like a rule that should apply in American Football so you don't have players running off and on all the time leading to confusion. Had the Wide Receiver stood just inside the sideline yelling encouragement like they were an excited reserve/substitute then they could have got away with it.
Thing is, those rules do exist in American football… that play isn’t even close to legal. I assume that the refs made some weird error in thinking that it’s not a “substitution” because there’s only ten men on the field, but substitutions are more so “check-ins” in reality, not literal 1:1 substitutions. He didn’t properly check-in to the game is a more clear way of saying it.
Shitty officiating, among other things, is what we get when we de-emphasize expertise in society. And we're just getting started.
I feel there should be a minimum time if you’re running a substitution before you can run a play
The idea that any dude can just run out and have the ball snapped quickly is so wild to me
There are already rules around this to prevent this from occurring. Not sure how the refs fucked that up so bad…
@@TheHeadincharge The HS rule is that they have to be inside the numbers after the ball is whistled ready for play (he was) and set (he was). The official at the top even "punches" backwards (this is a communication to the rest of the crew that the player nearest to him is "off the line" and legally in the backfield), so they didn't miss it.
They can't just step on the field (have to be at a minimum between the numbers and the hash), and they can't be in motion. Need to stop blaming the officials every time something happens - this was a legal play and a great design by the HC of the white team.
@@Weinzierl1973 someone posted the relevant sections from the NFHS rulebook, it's definitely illegal: "During the same dead-ball interval, no substitute shall become a player and then withdraw and no player shall withdraw and re-enter as a substitute unless a penalty is accepted, a dead-ball foul occurs, there is a charged time-out or the period ends. It is illegal participation to use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents at or immediately before the snap or free kick."
similar rule in the NFL rulebook: "Using entering substitutes, legally returning players, substitutes on sidelines, or withdrawn players to confuse opponents, or lingering by players leaving the field when being replaced by a substitute, is unsportsmanlike conduct. See 12-3-1-k."
seems it is rightfully illegal at all levels of play.
What a video!!! Thank You Jomboy!
The Vermont segment was great . Phenomenal
Two things...
1) In the football play breakdown, I noticed one of the Darien kids in the student section wearing a Rimouski Oceanics jersey. Very cool.
2) Jimmy's TGC hoodie. Fucking love The Grade Cricketer podcast.
I'm calling that steal of home out twice.
If a guy gets a single can he just run through the base into the outfield slap the center fielder on the ass then make his way to second. What's the path back to first?
Yes, yes he can run all the way to right field before breaking for second. It is generally a dumb play, so it isn't done, but if he were to do so, he would be safe if not tagged out. This is basic rules of baseball.
Nice episode. Well done. Good clips. Nothing more to say.
Dude ran toward the dugout to get away from the tag and was he at least ten feet outside the base coach markings when doing so... Lol
Love this show. Heartwarming Vermont...
Loved the last segment, by far an exciting finish ~
As a former soccer player, those tears got me 🥹
Merry Christmas, Jimmy! Thanks for another outstanding year!
1:41 Couldn't you say the tag is attempted here? Either way the runner is stationary, not moving, then gets up running about 45 degrees outside of base path to home.
Great show 🎉
“Don’t call ‘em Cinderella because you can call them Champs!” Great line!
Damn that was a wholesome ending anyway
The last story 🥹🥹🥹
Just realized holding 2x for Jimmy’s intro song is the real joy of the season 0:39
Love the UVM coverage
As a Vermonter it was so awesome that you did that breakdown of the catamounts title game!! Thanks and happy holidays ❤
awesome episode
Good dog dam....I absolutely loved the Vermont bit. Bravo!!!
Needed you in my recommendations holy hell
Merry Christmas, sir. Hope you and yours have a safe and happy holiday.
2:58 - Clearly the runner was out - he ran so far off 3rd that he was in the base coach area! Can you run into the stands, up and then down the aisle and then back down to the field and touch home base?
You cannot leave the field of play. You could run all the way to the on-deck area before breaking for the plate though and that would be completely legal if a tag attempt hasn't been made.
The base coach isn’t in the stands
Just say you don’t know ball
Jimbo, you legend.
If it was someone running from the sidelines who should of been out there (honest mistake) nobody would care and I don't see a rule against it, say somehow it was the right tackle that came running on the field and lined up, nobody would bat an eye, by the time the ball was snapped he was lined up correctly. I gotta say it's cheeky but I don't see it being illegal.
I thought the assistant soccer coach was gonna stab the head coach with his toothpick when he bro hugged it up 😂
Happy new year!
Loved to find this show and haven't missed much since! I do feel the base running is good though, momentum running around bases carries you far anyways. And the football I agree, should have been on the field for it to count.
My favorite fun fact as a baseball umpire is that, as long as no one is trying to tag you, you can literally run from second base, into center field, then to third base and you're totally fine.
Had no idea that Ted Lasso is currently coaching Vermont soccer.
Omg !!! 😧 - bro loved your video on Jasprit Bumrah and his bowling. Such greats editing and even cooler to see an American appreciate cricket 🏏 skills.
@10:44 😭
'My faith in humanity restored'
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When the tag attempt began on 3rd, he ran away from the tag toward the stands. He ran well over 3 feet away from the straight line where the 3rd baseman reached his arm out to tag him.
That Vermont vs marshal looked epic. Gotta love it.
Is it really that hard to prevent this problem forever by not allowing the runner to touch grass, and obviously extend the dirt path to 1st and home like in between the fair bases?
A straight line 3 feet out from the tag attempt seems like a rule someone that never played baseball would make.
I played in the FCIAC 45 years ago. It was against the rules to be out of bounds after the huddle and come into the play. You had to be in bounds for the old " tying your shoes " trick
Not in the huddle, then not in the game.
Thats why 12 men in the huddle is a penalty and the offense cant substitute on hurryup.
Otherwise people could just stand on the sideline and switch out as if in motion at the last second.
2:09 I have him within an established three foot deviance based on momentum and the shittiest play I've ever seen a catcher not make. Safe.
The 3rd baseman got way closer to tagging him than the catcher ever did.
Also momentum is not a thing when it comes to base path. Did the runner deviate 3 feet from the path? That’s all that matters.
His momentum carrying him 3 feet out is irrelevant
The Vermont story is so beautiful. That's what sports is all about right there.
"I got a cool play. The receiver sits in the 5th row until the ball is snapped and then streaks naked on the field, when all the players stop, the QB throws him the ball. Turns out it's a fan the entire time! Best play ever!"
I suspect the substitution rule requires a player entering the field to go inside the numbers (as opposed to 1 step in from the side line), which is why he runs in (more that 1 foot) and stops specifically once he reached the numbers.
Love this show. Rivaled only by Breakdown.
Shoutout to you for bringing the first Dominican game to your breakdown.
"boots it into his own goal!!" hilarious
Coach’s wife subbing in to hug the player when the son runs up was great
“Sports are fun.” Jomboy is a wise man.
The quick hug coverage swap is real heads-up play.
For the benefit of everyone confused about "when does the tag attempt actually occur?" here is the definition from the MLB Umpires Manual "the fielder is moving to tag the runner, no physical tag attempt is required to call a runner out for leaving the basepath."
High school coach here, I've had a ref tell me after a late substitution of our gunner on punt, that a player just has to come within the numbers. He can run in between the numbers and back out as long as he enters the number to report. Looks like he is inside the numbers, should stand
Huge respect to that first goalie for scoring from such a tight angle!
I almost had a heart attack! When Siri stole home Jomboy triggered my Siri and almost called someone I really didn’t want called! I was yelling at my phone No Noooo 😂
Rumor has it Siri ran to the dugout since it was in the path , got a sip of water then ran back to home.
I get massive Ted Lasso & to a lesser extent Coach Beard vibes from the Vermont coaches, right down to the gaffer’s moustache 😂😂
That soccer coach looked like Ted Lasso