Stellantis' CEO says EV Battery WEIGHT needs to be cut in half
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Irony here.
Stellantis cannot make a viable electric car, yet they are giving gratuitous design advice to people who have made and sold five million electric cars.
Stellantis struggle to make any profit making ICE vehicles, an area where they should be experts. And yet here he is.....
My thoughts exactly when I saw the title. Tavares is just giving excuses why they can't do it while Tesla 1st gen Cyber Truck weigh almost exactly what a Dodge 4x4 ram crew cab does, right now!
Ehhh, They just released the Citroën ë-C3. Has a range of 320km, charging with 100kW, LFP batteries and build in the EU for less than €25.000.
So they CAN build it and did.
Isn’t he brilliant! 🙄🥴…why did no one protest when SUVs became ubiquitous, that and huge pickups that never carry anything more than a bag of groceries? Ridiculous excess that weight damaging roads and endangering smaller vehicles and pedestrians … Idiots and dullards always deflect their failures onto issues that are either nonexistent or irrelevant. 😵💫
@@BMWHP2 And for that 25 000€ you’re not even getting heated seats. Tavares will always find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Tavares is a businessman, not an engineer. He will make every argument to cloud the waters in favor of ICE cars. Yes, would be nice if batteries were half the weight, it would also be nice if ICE cars emitted half as many noxious fumes, cost half as much to maintain and cost half as much to operate. The battery industry is closer every day to making a lighter battery. ICE cars will never be able to cure all that is wrong with an ICE car.
A lighter battery will come by default when energy density increases, because EV makers can install the same amount of kWh but the battery will be lighter, therefore increasing range even more. As energy density increases you will see battery pack size decrease; highly unlikely we will see EV ranges go up substantially simply due to this fact.
@@thestonksmarket1897I think they are getting there. I think when the model 02 is released next year, those will be ideal, primarily because they will be lighter. And others too, VinFast will be even smaller.
Imagine if the battery was light enough you could make the best selling car in the world be electric... oh wait the Model Y already is!! Idiot,
Stellantis is going hard into EVs and your tax dollars are paying for all of it. They're on a firing spree and will rebadge Chinese EVs just like VW. He intends to convert almost all of the companies vehicles onto a single platform. Governments everywhere have given them so much money to give EVs a go that it will be taxpayers and employees that will suffer. Governments are finally running into the hard limit of not enough electrical supply now that AI is taking off. Every government wants to be part of AI and it takes an ungodly amount of electricity just like EVs.
This bitXh is none of both.
he has no real plan for transitioning.
Yup. It's just excuses for not wanting to make EVs.
Stellantis strategy is to use ICE components in EVs. Therefore the weight range has to be similar. Its clearly the costs and the flexibility of the plants as number one priority.
He probably does but not that lind of transitioning
their plan is "no plan" and give a talk on why "no plan" is the best plan.
ICE cars are measured with empty fuel tanks, no engine oil or other liquids of any sort. Add that in and suddenly the difference is not that much.
The path to lighter EVs is building more EVs, as that's what will drive investment and innovation the fastest. What's his suggestion? We stick with ICE while they indefinitely pretend to work on getting batteries good enough, with EVs coming in "a few years" indefinitely like Toyota's been doing with the solid state battery they've been tooting since 2014 but which no one has ever seen or even seen facotirs being built to produce?
They're grasping, and it's more than a little desperate.
The Model 3 weighs about 3400 pounds. A Honda Accord weighs 3250 pounds. Load that accord up and its about the same as the 3. Point being, Tesla can do it.
And that’s dry weight for the Accord once you add all the fluids and fuel it’s even more comparable.
Yes the accord weight is dry weight.
Add gas, oil, refrigerant & it’s no difference…
He is right, whether he is right about lithium availability right of otherwise. 500kg is five of me in the car all the time ,. No one want that.
My Subaru Forrester weighs about 3800 lbs
The Model 3 is a COMPACT car; Honda Accord is a MID-SIZE size car. The correct comparison would be with a Honda Civic.
Sounds like he is making pathetic excuses for his company's inability to build decent EVs.
Legacy auto is much like Intel right now. They had leadership position, got lazy and started repackaging the same shit over and over again with minor improvements to maximize profits. The competition eventually blew past them and now all they can do is yell at the clouds because they replaced all their competent engineers with beancounters.
Thx Carlos! Great tip! Tell u what, build an ev that sells, develope a following, hell.. maybe even.profit a bit! At that point u may have a thing or two to add on ev design..ok buddy?
Tesla doesn't defend it's patents and Tavares still can't manufacture an EV for a profit. Bad management unable to attract great engineers?
I'm sure Stellantis has plenty of great engineers who have no say in the meaningful decisions regarding the companys future.
Free use of Tesla's patents come with some restrictions regarding good behavior which is a problem for many.
And it's its not it's (in your comment)
That's cos they make shite like Dodge rams.
Hi Sam, greetings from the U.K. Now I know from previous videos that you don’t like the EV I have, a BMW i3, but it weighs just 1200kgs thanks to its carbon fibre, aluminium and plastic construction. Mine will be 5 years old in September, and it has been awesome. My only maintenance has been 4 new tyres at 37k miles. No sign of any battery issues.
CATL have a battery that gets 500 watts per kilo, another company is coming out with a solid state battery that is 700 watts per kilo. Electric Viking you have reported on this. Thus battery packs at 50% of the weight already exist.
Yes, the biggest hurdle is to build a production line that has good enough yield to be profitable. That's a 5-50b investment depending on luck.
Stellantis can only wait for other companies to do the job since they are too late to game.
A one sided ideolog says so, it must be true 🤣🤣🤣
It doesn't matter, because is a excuse. While Stellantis was non competitive they will find "things than needs to be fixed before EV take the market".
The day they will be competitive (if it comes) they will say than the market is ready.
Ice car engines are all recycled. They go through the crusher and contribute high quality iron and aluminium for casting new engines.
Some even get pulled out, rebuilt or shelved, and become replacement motors for other ice cars.
Ok your point? same for EV You grasping
Have you heard of Redwood Materials? They currently recycle 95% back to raw material. And recycled lithium has better purity than mined and refined ones! That means less degradation on battery packs using recycled lithium
How many cars, motors, etc are sitting in junk yards, scrap yards, etc etc … to pretend like they are recycling all cars/ motors and putting them back into the system is flat out ridiculous
@@chriauc2976 He was responding to the Viking saying ICE engines were not recycled. That is wrong and the OP is right. That's not grasping, that's correcting a false statement.
Can they recycle the diesel after it goes through the motor?
Hyundai Kona is being geofenced in London to prevent owners travelling outside designated areas and being used at specific times. Think Ill be sticking with petrol.
Carlos is a first class BS artist. Sam nailed it by pointing out the comparable weights of the 3 and Y.
True mate cheers Sam
How much does the full gas tank weigh..?
Yes and how exactly do we get there? By ppl building more EVs and batts…batt weight has gone down drastically over the last few decades and will continue to do so!
Lets calculate in weight how much fuel a car will use for 20000 km. 10 litres per 100 km on average equals 100kg of fuel for 1000km. 20000km uses 2 tonnes of fuel. 100000km uses ten tonnes of fuel.
Thanks for doing the math. Nicely done. 👍
Yes, it’s the liquid fossil fuels that DON’T get recycled.
CO2 just gets dumped into atmosphere.
Certain BEVs are already capable of a million km - saving 100 tonne of petrol / diesel.
2.3 kg CO2 per litre petrol, so 230 tonne CO2 for a million miles.
And Carlos worried about 2 tonne of metal, glass, plastic!
Pathetic man.
How much coal does an Australian EV use over the same distance?
@@yuglesstube nothing if it runs on solar & wind.
Even Australia will eventually be RE, before the BEV is scrapped.
Diesel / petrol cars will never be RE. Get worse with age. Chew through engines.
@@iandavies4853I swear there are people who will argue black is white and have plenty who agree.
The CAR weight has to come down, not only battery weight.
Citroën already proved they can build an EV with 320km range, with a total weight of 1000kg ( Citroën OLI )
And the Citroën ë-C3 is already in production and on sale, and is 1400kg. That is the same as a new ICE Toyota Corolla. . . . .
Morning mate
Model 3 SR 1,650Kg, Atto3 1,730Kg.
Toyota RAV4 1,550Kg empty, base model.
I checked the Tare weight of a Telsla Model 3 against a Toyota Camry, which seemed like a fair comparison? The Model 3 was 160kg heavier. Once you add fuel to the Camry it’s about the weight of a (heavy) passenger, probably not noticeable in real world conditions.
Everybody knows EVs would greatly benefit from light batteries.
80 pounds of gasoline can go down to almost zero before the tank of an IC car must be refilled.
Gasoline cars do not use the same degree of costly weight reducing materials that electric vehicles do. Gasoline cars have more steel content, which costs much less, nothing like the Giga castings that Tesla uses to save weight. That means decades old manufacturing methods can be used in gasoline cars. EV materials are more like that which aircraft use. That adds costs. That's because of the heavy battery.
I know of no automobike with a 900 pound engine. The 1940s Packard straight 8 weighed about that much. The 6.7 Cummins diesel on a Ram 3500 is very heavy.
5% ICE efficiency vs 80% EV efficiency means they can be heavier and still be a better deal both financially and environmentally, BUT all EV manufacturers are already focused on reducing weight.
There are also EV manufacturers focused on carbon fiber chassis, like Aptera and LightYear
says the man who makes jeeps.
Same as doubling energy density
Aerodynamics. Check out the AeroCivic - modified Honda Civic 95 miles per gallon(US) at 65 mph. Why doesn't legacy auto adopt some of the simple aerodynamic features of the AeroCivic? Efficiency matters.
Hello, some countries do not have good electricity coverage and electric car users rely on solar or other renewable generation. The extended range of EVs is always welcomed in order to cover for the days, schedule or simple convenience when renewable charging is not available. It is still very expensive to own your own renewable power source, batteries and charger to charge a strictly electric vehicle.
When the CEO does his own lobbying
Yeah OK Mr Stelantis. When you put words into actions I'll consider what you say.
I think engines should be about three times the size of motors, they're just too heavy!
Most engines are not all that large until you start adding all the bits ICE makers hang on them. Power steering, fans and radiators, AC, and more. The EV has all these things but generally one does not have to remove them to change the battery or drive units.
Not only is battery weight diminishing, but battery density is going up, so Carlos is just making 'another's excuse why he can't compete(.) Why not 'delay' Model-2, for 2 reasons; 1] soft 'consumer' spending economy 2]Robotaxi needs FSD approval, and that's not happening without 'security-protocols' approved by DHS. Maybe[...just maybe] a 48V/Ethernet/steer-by-wire architecture, and wait for the new CATL batteries. The FSD drive performance has many possibilities, like fleet operations, but 'driverless' makes it a drone on wheels(...?)
So my last tdi combustion car kerb weight 1255kg averaged 50 mpg ( around 1 mile per kwh ) , my current i3 with range extender kerb weight 1440kg averages 3.6 miles kwh or 166 mpg e (84000 miles) given that when I run the extender (extremely rarely)it averages around 45 mpg (1 mile kwh), and 22 mpg in winter (0.5 miles kwh ), why is this even the issue ( weight) if I didnt have the range extender ( weight including fuel system around 70kg) and had a 50 kwh battery the weight would be the same approx but why oh why would I want a fossil fuelled car with those figures maybe a current fossil fuel driver could give insight 🤔.
The battery descirbed here the other day would to that. double the energy density current tech . A robe taxi might need increased range or at least very fast charging.
Remember that the sun is free energy
Australia has plenty
Fossil fuels are as free as sunshine. Both require processing to turn into usable energy.
Are we going to make these out of anti-gravity matter? The Long Range model 3 / Y battery pack weighs 478kg and the 60kwh LFP weighs 447kg in total, including the cage and epoxy binder - I'd like to know how to shed 1100lbs / 499kg from these weights other than altering gravity.
Model Y LR 4416lbs, Toyota Highlander 4453lbs Shut up already!
Absolutely my gripe…
And that’s dry weight for the Highlander, once you add the fluids it’s even more n
4680 Structural battery pack architecture⚡️🇺🇲
300 to 500 miles of range is what I think a lot of people here in the US expect, especially in rural areas.
Tavares is saying whatever to get headlines. He knows very well fully recyclable light weight batteries with little to no degradation, near instant charging and with 1000km range is inevitable, and will end new ICE and hybrid sales by 2030. Why are hybrids moving now... people are wanting electric, but are still too unfamiliar to fully commit. If they just watch the Electric Viking a few times, they will get familiar fast.
Sam - They do Rebuild/Re-Manufacture internal combustion engines and they do melt them down to cast new ones, we have to be fair on that point. When you slip like that you know your critics are going to jump all over you and dismiss everything else that you correctly state.
As for Carlos he's clearly stated in the past that he does not really want to be in the automobile business so why would you expect him to be an authority on the something he has declared he doesn't want to be involved with. Would you go to someone for medical advice if they told you that they really didn't want to be a doctor and were looking forward to getting out of that line of work?
How about if they stop pandering to speed and performance freaks and start developing EV's that get better than 5 miles per kWh rather than less. The original Leaf got 5 or more miles per kWh so how about aiming for more efficiency and closer to 10 miles per kWh doubling the range from the same 25 kWh battery size they used in 2011.
It's also been stated that every year we've seen a 5% to 10% improvement in battery power to weight ratios making it so today we get about double the kWh per pound from a new EV battery compared to 10 years ago so if this trend continues as it has, its already a given that Carlos will get his wish as that is whats been happening all along.
Best!
I only partially agree with Tavares.
Electric cars are generally heavier than ICE cars of same size/class, and the propulsion battery is one of the heaviest components, if not the heaviest, in an electric car. And lighter cars are always better for consumption of both fuel and tyre rubber. That much I can agree to.
But reducing battery weight is only part of the equation. Using lighter materials in other parts of the vehicle also helps a lot, e.g. lightweight composites in non-structural body panels instead of steel or aluminium, carbon fibre where this will retain structural strength, etc.
Also, with the battery pack being heavy, EV native platforms can (and do) harness that to bring down the centre of gravity, thus making for better handling. Developing a platform for EVs from the ground up, will be much better than trying to shoehorn an electric drivetrain into an existing ICE platform.
To sell well in Europe, the smallest classes need to come down in not just weight, but, more critically, also price, and come a bit up in range.
That’s very relevant for at least some of the markets in Asia too, especially in countries where the public charging infrastructure is at least half-decent already.
Do correct me if I’m wrong, but I assume that 75 “models” would include rebadgings, and with Stellantis consisting of about 14 or so car brands, that’s on average just under 5 1/2 models per brand.
That's a good one and correct Sam. I am fairly decisive and do my homework (usually). And then I walk out of the shop with the ice cream I never expected. With Stellantis I am waiting on the new Charger EV.
That is a fatuously obvious statement! What possessed him to say something so trite?
The model 3 weighs 3600 pounds. The equivalent Peugeot E-3008 weighs a whopping 4400 pounds. The problem of Tavares is he wants to have the same chassis for any powertrain , electric, ICE and hybrid. So since he doesn’t have a skateboard, the weight of its cars is far above the other pure electric cars with s skateboard design. The problem is not the battery, it’s his design which is old style, heavy with absolutely no effort on Cx
CATL has 500wh/kg in mass production, with 720wh/kg in their roadmap.
This means that CATL can make a battery right now that can have 100kwh of energy, that only weighs 200kg.
That can also be a structural pack, so we end up with essentially a zero mass option, since you can replace the chassis with the battery and likely build a car with comparable weight to a similar type of ICE Vehicle.
Then factor in the fact that the other elements of an EV can be lighter than an ICE cars Engine and we have lighter than ICE EVs, with the potential benefits of being able to charge anywhere there is a plug socket in reach, masses of range, efficiency, tge possibility of Wireless Charging and so Vehicle to Grid/Load.
Energy density in the 1kwh/kg from will likely come from CATL within the next 5 years, it's possible people can have rechargeable cells that you can take from home to your car like a big AA, self swapping EV Cells.
The future is definitely bright for EV, storage tech.
Historically the issue with solid state batteries has been the discharge rate (the amount of power you can supply to the motors), solid state batteries historically could only be used cars with low power motors - they will allow long range because of the high energy density but for example in the past a solid state battery would not have enough discharge capacity to fully supply a RWD model 3 3D7 single motor. Once they crack this (maybe they already have?) we're away again on a new technology path...
At this point everyone's screaming for range; when that's reached, engineers will make batteries lighter. My Bolt euv Lt is 3,750 lbs.
hey thats why you need solid state
If they are generally heavier than he is correct because of increase wear on vehicle and infrastructure for any given distance travelled.
Well he's not wrong especially for great handling sports cars and extra heavy vehicles like trucks
I would say realistically 35-40% would be already sufficient!
The energy comparison of ice cars and EVs is not so easy. Some say it takes years of EV driving to compensate for the energy required to produce an EV battery. I think this is not true, it takes about the same energy to produce an internal combustion motor PLUS petrol tank PLUS oil lubrication system, in comparison with the much smaller EV motor PLUS battery. If one only takes into account the production energy of an EV battery, the comparison (ice car versus EV) is not realistic. Batteries will become lighter and smaller in time, as mass production of advanced battery electrodes is starting up, which makes EVs even more energy efficient. Also the air resistance is lower for EVs, which is a very important energy efficiency factor. Can there be any doubts left that EVs will replace all ice cars.
Electric cars are heavy because of present battery technology the number of batteries required does determine weight to a degree. However significant effort is underway to reduce weight, cost and reduce charging time.
Let’s consider lotus with their famous design philosophy simplify and add lightness has an example. According to a new report from Piston Heads, the engineers at Lotus are targeted a curb weight of 2,000 kg (4,409 lbs). That might not sound impressive, especially for a Lotus, but it would make it substantially lighter than segment rivals. For example, the Tesla Model X Plaid weighs a hefty 2,455 kg (5,412 lbs) while an Audi E-Tron S is even heavier, at 2,655 kg (5,853 lbs). However Lotus Eletre R is an electric SUV with 900 hp (671 kW), a curb weight of approximately 5,820 lbs (2,640 kg) so they still have some work to do.
pretty sure some day they will and that will be devastating like the industrial revolution
If I could reduce the weight of the battery in my Model 3 by 50% it would be a rocket! It will come eventually.
What is the weight of transmission, IC engine, radiator with coolant, Fuel tank full of fuel and complete exhausted system in comparison to the total weight of Battery and if Xiaomi SU7 is a guide in distance travelled on a full charge? Does he has any idea or is he trying the convince people to stay on ICE due to Stellantis' Group has no comparative advantage in EV.
Every time he compares weight he always uses BMW or Mercedes. Compare a base model3 to a base model Camry and the model3 is about 400kg heavier.
It’s probably a good goal but not necessarily needed now.
75 different models is absolutely moronic. No wonder their advertising budget is nearly $4 billion a year. How do you build any awareness for 75 different products in this DNA. A dealership having 75 products on their lot maintaining 75 products year over year. How in the hell is this not adding complexity to your supply chain?! When Tesla has basically six cars and the most, and the number one selling car in the world with six model, how do you not follow that path of lease resistance? The Lantis GM have the absolute worst Leadership.
ICE needs an engine, transmission, driveshafts, and differentials and transfer cases. Many individual points of failure and cost. His point about battery weight is what I have been saying- that in order to lower prices and increase profit potential EV makers should start concentrating on battery weight and size reduction while keeping kWh size the same. This would increase range with each generation and lower cost. The EV market is now in its phase of competing with I E on price where in just 2-3 years in the US EVs will likely be lower in price than ICE.
Every increase in energy density chip’s away at this problem
Well... An ICE car use 50.000 pounds of fuel during its life (200k miles 24 mpg) and this is NON RECYCLABLE...
(200.000/24= 8.300 gallons, 8333x6 pounds/gallon=50.000 pounds)
Just talking about "using resources"
Better off with a corolla or camry
It doesnt matter whether an EV has a comparable weight with ICE vehicles. It is too heavy, needs too much energy and so is not very environment friendly.
..what?
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom Surprise, surprise, an EV is a little bit better than an ICE car regarding CO2, but not much. Turns out that moving a lot of mass takes a lot of energy.
we do need lighter EVs, as an EV owner. per the "Fourth Power Law" - the amount of damage a vehicle that weights 4500lbs does to a road is nearly 3x as great as the amount of damage done by one weighing 3500lbs.((4500/2)^4 compared with (3500/2)^4) particulate emissions from tires are also commeasureate - and particulate emissions are still a huge issue.
I’m doing cookies and cream. I don’t care what the other 74 flavors are, unless they don’t have C&C. Then I’m getting vanilla. And if they have neither, I’m leaving.
A full tank of gas is used once. A battery pack is used over and over again
That would be nice, but companies like Tesla and BYD seem to be okay with making those cuts elsewhere too. Tavares is a flip flopper, he doesn't seem to know what he is talking about with EVs.
why is he still a CEO? is the stelantis board that inept? does he own the board?
Of course the metal of an engine of an ICE vehicle is getting recycled, Sam. What you meant is: the gasoline isn't getting recycled.
tires wear and damage to roads are the cost of heavier cars.
The average weight of a new ICE car purchased in the USA in 2023 was 4329lbs (1965kg) the average weight of a new BEV purchased in the USA in 2023 was 4208lbs (1909kg).
Yes there are heavy EVs but there are also heavy ICE cars - the heavy EVs are sold in low volumes.
Battery weights need to be halved AND range needs to be doubled or, preferrable, trebled AND charging time needs to reduced by 75%.
Sure, and eating sugar needs to make you skinny and smoking needs to improve your health.
A lot of hate for Stellantis here. From a US perspective I can understand why, but in Europe they are producing some decently priced EV’s like the Citroen eC3 (or the Corsa e, one of the few EV’s you can pick up for under £20K new in the UK). I don’t understand why they haven’t released the Jeep Avenger in the US.
E.V. stands for electric vehicle doesn’t it?
For millions of people especially in Asia and Africa, but also around the world, their only vehicle is an ICE motorcycle or moped. The best battery equivalent currently available utilises a 25kg pack with a completely impractical range and the price is astronomic.
If EV’s are to help reverse climate change, this transport sector requires far more innovation and investment than it’s currently receiving. Weight and size reduction together with capacity increase are essential and all at a much lower price point than today.
He's absolutely right!
Improvements in battery technology should primarily go towards reducing weight while maintaining range, as opposed to increasing range with constant weight. That will nake cars cheaper, safer and more sustainable.
Wait till you get small fusion reactor
The profit monger wants to sell $40k evs that cost $4k to produce.
What a load of nonsense. My 10 year old EV weighs just 1050kg (BMW i3)
With him foolishly leading, Stellantis is rapidly becoming irrelevant and soon be bankrupt.
IC engines are recycled into steel and aluminium stock.
I watch "police chase" vids on YT. Most involve ICE cars / motos. When the vehicle spills, ICE fires are common. No one talks about that; they all focus on EV fires. Doesn't seem fair.
@@Markcain268 Mont Blanc tunnel fire 1999 - no EVs involved.
I'm all for lighter batteries. The lighter the better and they can be used for airplanes and helicopters later.
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Aptera has already solved the weight problem of all vehicles period let alone pure play BEV. Hybrid drive systems are creating engines and drive train systems that will effectively last forever now as one of the huge weight penalty issues with current pure play ice platforms are driver assistance systems plus creature comforts (hvac.) Tesla continues to revolutionize both and all without aid of a single solar panel(yet.) Cybertruck definitely missed out by not having a 3rd axle as this can sustain a truly awesome amount of weight to do literally anything with that...something Stellantis might want to think about with their massive pure play ICE platform trucks and Jeeps actually. Also with no Maverick or Santa Cruz clearly Stellantis is still missing out...as has the entire Industry except Ford and Hyundai respectively...in providing for a lightweight entry level sport truck. Dodge doesn't even have a middleweight contender such as Tacoma, Colorado and Ranger and possibly many more soon (Ridgeline, Frontier, BT-50.) Jeep does have the 4xE system which for the time being is saving Stellantis as is the Chrysler Pacifica but competition in the World of Das Auto right now is absolutely insane into upon North America at the moment...like something out of the 1920s over 100 Years ago actually...so easy to get caught up in simply ignoring what elsewhere is expert at. Oddly enough if it wasn't for pure bev full size trucks this market would be a complete catastrophe for the pure play ICE platform people such as Dodge Ram given a huge spike in fuel and maintenence costs quite suddenly #who_stole_my_cheese
Aptera take too much place for a 2 occupants car for it to make sense in Europe. Unless some oil prince want to throw money at them, they don't have enough resources to build multiple assembly line to have an impact in the EV market to make a difference.
Good tech doesn't mean good manufacturing capability
Just another good reason not to buy shares in Stellantis or buy one of their cars.
Stellantis can't even make a compelling ICE vehicle... what makes anyone think they can make a compelling EV
Goodbye Kodak, i mean Stellantis! 🎉
If lithium would be scarce Lithium carbonate prices in China wouldn't have dropped to pre-China-BEV prices from 2019 quickly.
50% weight reduction shouldn't be a problem. If I'm not mistaken the technology is already here. I think they might achieve weight reduction through new production methods.😉. Elon Musk has already hinted on several methods over the years. BMW has brought out the i3 with a carbon fiber single piece shell. And if I'm not mistaken stellantis wanted to experimented with modular replacrable batteries in their future designs. So for example half their batteries to 25-30 kwhs. If you want more you can buy, hire, rent, lease an additions 25-30 kwhs or maybe more for those occasional longer journeys. I think that still is an interesting idea, but stellantis will have to think about starting an ecosystem to accomodate it. It must be convenient to add and remove the modular batteries. There needs to be infrstructure and battery module market for the EVs feom the start en they will have to participate in expanding public charging to convenience status to support more ftrquent charging of EVs or expand cheap support of home charging for various home types. And yes make less different models and not 75 types. That would be naiive and doom to fail if stellantis wants to compete. I think the power of Stellantis lies more in the established creativity of affordable EVs which makes them still interestimg compared to the competition of the likes of Tesla, byd or volkswagen group. Only their most recent offerings of affordable EVs, somehow just slightly mis the mark of being the right choice as each model still has slightly too much compromise of one or the other feature. What I'm seeing is that they may want to keep their marketshare of trusted clients bit het them to transition to EV with enticing offerings that are at first glance very tempting, but ons second thought feel compromised as well instead of a value upgrade beyond the electric transition story. In that regard I think the electric viking is right in saying Stellantis should focus on only a few models instead of 75, as to bundle their expertise to make a few great cars in large volume and expand from their. Now they seem ro continue with more electric models from what seems a legacy way of working, which fits less in the transition to electric mobility, but still want current customers to be happy with an upgraded electrical model of an ice vehicle legacy design that they're maybe contractually bound to, and don't want to alienate customers for fear of losing marketshare by being too radical. Maybe there is some truth in that, an true innovation lies in making the old better, instead of starting with a clean slate which often seems to be the new train of thought these days, because making the old new new is simply too difficult for mankind and AI?
There are many size engines! You give a lot of info that lacks context. I might do it too if I made the money you make off youtube. I can literally pick up a 3 cylinder geo metro engine up with one arm, they weigh a 135 lbs. There are bigger engines but let's compare apples to apples. A 350 (5.7 liter) Chevrolet engine weighs 575 lbs. A big engine such as the 350 is something that is found in a full size truck or muscle car. The hummer ev battery weighs 2800 lbs. You could put 4.86 small block 350 Chevrolet engines in the hummer ev and it would weigh the same.
What is this??? A battery for ants?!?! It needs to be at least… three times this big!!
Legacy auto, US, Europe & Japan trying to promote FUD against EVs. Looking at the energy density improvements of EV batteries, it is likely in 2 years i.e. Jan 2026, the energy density will be twice of what was commercially achievable in January 2022.
Mass production capability is nowhere near that close. Worldwide production is led by a handful of manufacturer really.
Most factories being built are still going to have the same process as the currently made ones, so they won't have bleeding edge density.
The one legacy auto company that surely will be left behind its Stelantis. Theyre too focus on luxury cars they cant even make hybrids. I mean are they even relevant? Theyre like Mistusbishi
Crazy guy, they had a golden chance in India and they systematically screwed it up. Same guys think active cooling is not needed in India where Ambient temperature can reach upto 45 degrees. These guys aren't following the leaders of the industry instead busy giving talks on Diet battery 🙂
The New 3008 IS heavier than the other SUV in same category. He should hire chinese ingeniors
Stellantis CEO just wants to keep selling ICE cars
Typical MBA thinking. NOT engineering thinking. An MBA looks at the cost of a specific item and tries to cut it without thinking about the whole project. This is the whole practice of legacy ICE auto makers.... save a few dollars here and there, don't think of consequences longer term.
CO2 emitted by ICE car easily 60-120 tonne for 250-500,000 km.
ICE rarely lasts 500,000 km, but BEV can easily.
Carlos Tavares worried about half tonne of metals.
100x to 200x more CO2.
And BEV can run on sunshine.
You forgot the news about Model 2 not coming🤡