People don't seem to understand the different between lobby balancing and SBMM lol .yes the match making is "random" and will grab 6 players that are matchmaking at random. I am talking about after that. The way bungie tries and balances out the lobby is really really bad.
@@Daltnix Bungie literally claims there is no lobby balancing but I'm not convinced eiher. Right when this mode came out in trials labs, it had lobby balancing (Bungie admitted to it) but it was called a "bug" they supposedly fixed. Sure doesn't feel fixed.
they are not balancing, in the 6th match the enemies squad have guns with 6k kill and in my squad people with 13 kill and didnt have any exotic, this is bullshit
proof of concept. We team up. 1 weavewalk, 1 khepri sting wallhax. Use weavewalk to human barricade while armor piercing rounds shoot through you to snipe opponent.
The player population probably is the biggest issue to me. It’s to the point where if any casual is in the game it’s a blowout for whatever team gets them.
@@agamerjourney9146 That's just how it is tbh. I'm a solo player and if I play trials I will solo que. I'm not a pvp player. I'm decent but no where near as good as people that play it 24/7. That's why I feel like I and a lot of people are definitely the problem so we stay in pve. I'm playing trials to get my titan and warlock drip. I'm not looking for 25-0 flawless wins. I'm a simple player and enjoy grinding loot. I'm scared to play trials mostly because how does a new pvp player learn trials? There aren't guides talking about spawn points, best choke points to hold for you team, when to pop your super all that stuff. Even then I don't have a lot of high tier loot considering I am a solo player with no friends. I'll be using a regular shotgun vs people that have conditional finality. That's why I stay out of trials so I don't throw your game with my lack of game knowledge but at the cost of the trials community dying.
Bungie: oh no, Prismatic hunter has a 50% usage rate in trials, time to nerf them. >Does nothing to the smoke bomb (that they buffed for some reason) >Does nothing about Storms Edge >Does almost nothing to swarm grenades >Reduces the aim assist and damage of the clone *Bungie surprised Pikachu face when the "nerfs" didn't do anything to move the %
yup i think smoke bomb is the worst part. It's obviously the whole kit together that makes it so rough, and I generally like the idea of a flashbang/concussion style tactical in Destiny, but it shouldn't do crazy damage with a crazy stun and a crazy flashbang all in one. Oh and don't worry you don't need to build into it with stats because you get it for free with a dodge! The crazy thing is if they try to nerf it towards prismatic and just make swarm and specter worse again, then people will figure out how strong void hunter is again. We really don't want to end up in another void hunter meta...
I think they should swap the swarm for the incendiary grenade. Strand aspect should be the whirlwind one and stasis aspect should be shatterdive so all the movement options are there.
Player pop also brings up another huge problem where less skilled players get matched into high skill lobbies to balance out the games which is often an auto loss for the more skilled players. Even worse, the person will probably have one of the worst pvp experiences they'll ever have because there is no way for them to compete with top players. Everyone loses.
Lobby balancing, the fact we will probably never get new maps , peer to peer conection ( no dedicated seevers) . Rumble trials and comp is more chill and fun the control which is the supposed quickplay mode. Somethings wrong about that . Anyhow i'm over this game .
The boring/bad meta and the not great matchmaking don’t make a great combo. There are many ways to balance the game more for PvP that they just don’t do
I 1v1d this trials sweat on my titan and the first thing he did was smoke, then he threw a swarm. ran away then i shot him twice and he dodged left a spectre and ran away again. Didnt even shoot his gun. I pulled out my ghost and left 👍🏽
PvP in a nutshell lol, here’s a tip, next time u 1v1 a pros hunter, tells them to play any non pros subclass and then watch them drown in their own lack of gun skill
Recently I fought 2 Prismatic Hunters (on separate days) and they both did the same thing. They always throw a smoke nade and THEN use their weapon. It's frustrating. It's like "Can you at least shoot me with the gun first?!!" And then when they are losing the battle, here comes the Swarm Nades or Threaded Specter dodge. So tiring. And yesterday I was trying to play with my clan with some explosion Solar build on my Hunter and I couldn't really get it to work. One cause I suck at the build cause I'm starting out with it, and two it was just people either teaming or just beaming me down with Khvostov or running at me with a shotgun. I just left through the tail end of the match, and apologized to my clanmates and said "I'm sorry I left, but I'm just not having fun. This is just not fun." Went to go play another game afterwards.
Bro, I can't even play control as before. I'm just a casual player, but lately every match feels so much work that it is not worthy, so I just get out of there.
PvP in general post final shape has shown off some of the worst we see from metas and I might be pessimistic but it won’t get better. After the bungie restructuring, they may cut PvP out of there focus so that they can continue making the stuff that directly makes money. A shame really.
They apparently got told to cater to casual pve mains who wander into pvp occasionally again by the higher ups instead of focusing on making pvp for pvp mains by the looks of it. I don't think they would scrap pvp though. That'd be the end of D2 imo. 1. Pvp strike team is still working and was not layed off / disbanded. Say about their choices what you will but they still exist. 2. Ever since the huge revenue miss, Bungie remembered they have a pvp community. Strike team, new maps (made within a few weeks btw), now Bungie bounty and even tournaments hosted by Bungie / their charity. It seems they finally realized pvp players also buy all the expansions, cosmetics and what not and other than pve players we tend to stick around for a long time but when taken for granted... oopsy, 45% revenue miss. Wonder how that happened with pvp having been in a really bad spot in this "pve game". (It is again but they made some steps in the right direction in between.)
They need to have people playing they game. If they cut pvp from the game their player base would shrink. Yeah, you can play pve but the replayability sucks. Even if you want certain god roll weapon. Pvp is what has been taking Destiny a float during content droughts since old expansions.
I'm soo sick of swarm, smoke, spectre on prismatic hunter. Its oppressive to play against. Not only that but the lobbies have been insane. My overall trials kd is pretty mediocre at 1.29 so why am I playing against 2.5+ kd people while I'll have .3s or lower on my team? The game was over before it even started. Just my 2 cents though.
The lobby balancing has been the biggest issue for me. I can handle comp because it’s at least bearable for everyone since it’s based on your rank but trials I have been struggling for flawless for 4 weeks (5 if you include shayuras week) There was an instance which happened every week of trials at this point most of y’all might possibly agree with me you get matched with players that are just okay to somewhat bearable and you face your opponents that have way too high base stats that makes you unable to do anything and I just gave up. I’ve been so miserable for 4 weeks of trying to get just one flawless JUST ONE! I’ve lost my flawless twice this week. It’s completely breaking my sanity at this point. I am a titan main but I moved to hunters just to slightly even the playing field but no matter what I do it’s just pointless Altar of Flame : 3 times fell out Bannerfall : 1 time fell out Javelin : 1 time fell out Shores of Time/Distant Shore : 2 times fell out
At least in my experience, I don’t think there is lobby balancing. It feels like 50/50 where I’ve got the best players against terrible players and vice versa. At least in solos anyway. It’s more rare I get really good games where it goes 4-4 with randoms. But I’d agree with you with that prismatic Hunter is so annoying to fight against. I’ve been maining prismatic Titan for trials and do well, but I do play with solid players. I haven’t been playing solo much cause the maps have been so ass for solo play. Not sure why they don’t use the new maps and decided to bring the biggest and madly maps this season.
Extended cooldown on dodge, no longer spews out threadlings when destroyed and procs on kill effects when you do, like the other construct creating abilities
@@morganpriest7726that would kill it in pve and also make it useless on strand Hunter, just remove it off prismatic and replace it with a different aspect, it's that simple
@@morganpriest7726 imagine if players got kill clip/memento mori from blowing up their decoy crutch. you'd see the spam plummet very quickly when they can no longer freely crutch their OP decoy
Whoever in bungie thought open skill for unflawed card were good idea is just pure evil. Most probably sweats crying can't play with other sweats therefore feel good about themselves stomping low level players. Bungie won't do shit if famous destiny youtubers don't complain about it. GG
I could never get into Trials. The netcoding and the match making made the game too frustrating for me. Bungie is not going to anything to really improve Trials at this stage.
I was a titan main, but I stopped playing after witch queen. I came back for Final Shape and played titan for all the pve stuff and then got back into PVP and trials because thats what I enjoyed most about the game when I did play. I was getting absolutely destroyed and had a .8 KD, I decided to switch to Hunter and just doubled my KD for the following week and pushed my KD to postive for the season and PVP is actually playable for me now lmao.
People act like bungie is incompetent and doesnt know what theyre doing. They wont nerf prismatic hunter significantly because that would require doing actual work to basically make their newest set of dlc obsolete. And nothing gets between bungie and that sweet stack
AGREEEEEEEED on every point and aspect of this awful meta. I hope they do something about it soon. As a warlock main who is a rusher in PVP, it's so freaking boring going against a bunch of Prismatic Hunters cause it slows the game down when their primaries are their abilities. Even if you know one Hunter used all their abilities, the other Hunter right up their asscrack ends up using theirs against you. It's so cheesy. Tired of it. Then you have blueberry teammates who just don't push in with you to create pressure. I really would take SMG Titans over this shit lmao.
I disagree with his point on 120s and taking away precision as a perk due to the strength 140s already have, but yeah as a titan main it’s hard to play against hunters as I can’t close the gap. Warlocks are like the stable pvp meta, you guys are rarely weak or strong but when you guys are strong everyone can still play
The real problem is its only 5-10% of the player base bothering with Trials, its just a bunch of sweats left playing. It's nothing new though because people were forcing themselves to play it for certain unlocks. That's the problem, people had to have an incentive for an unlock to play a mode instead of having fun from it.
Bungie claims trials mm to be completely random and not lobby balanced but I don't believe it. They had the bug in trials labs where lobby balancing was active and they even admitted it was once everyone called them out. Supposedly, they fixed that and now override the cr when creating the lobby to make the teams random but... everyone's experience seems to suggest the game still does lobby balancing in trials.
Correct, if u play last match better next match u will team up with 2 noobs and 3 sweaty opponents. Another reason i gave up going flawless last week reset.
I feel exactly like you every word you said. Normally I played Trials to go flawless around 10 times, now I play only one card to just keep the streak but thats it. It is so stupid implementing Checkmate just to be where we are right now. Prismatic, abilities, and special spam, plus cheaters, something you didnt talk about it, is making the game dying slowly. We need shake the thing real quick and turn 180 degrees the current situation or is going to be worst and worst.
There is no going back. Exotic class item was a mistake. Transcendent was a mistake. Ergo, Prismatic, as yet another subclass, was a mistake. There is ZERO reason to run other class other than Prismatic (Only exception is Warlocks, because of Icarus Dash) in both PvE and PvP Is it fun? Hell yeah! Most fun I've ever had playing PvE in this game. Does it brake balance? Every, single, metric. This subclass handicapped the rest and is not even close. Bungie couldn't care less about a healthy sandbox experience, it has proven time and time again to hard for them.
I was thinking the same exact thing today! I would go flawless without any issue solo. Ive more than 500 flawless but this ssn has been so so irritating. The changes and this week the special changes this week. Man i had 6 cards where i had to carry so so hard to get 5 wins but then lost all 6 cards on my lighthouse game because the duo or the 2 other singles in my teal were so so bad. Most of the time they were less than .4 kd, when the other team had it way better. I was just thinking today man im gettin old and my reflexes are slowing down. Time to quit taking trials and comp seriously. But your video made me realize that its not me but it the player pop, meta (as you said id take any other meta than this), solo match making and the lobbies are so so bad this ssn
I agree. The prismatic hunter nerfs are a joke, I play on console and every week I try to go flawless I do with mostly no issue. I've been flawless on all classes and most subclasses, but since the finale shape I have had to fight tooth and nail on my hunter to get there. The weapon meta is very good currently although I do think that 120s are really good I agree with just removing percussion instrument. All in all I am absolutely hating trials right now to the point where I might just quit the game entirely.
I quit this weekend after about 5 months of consistently playing trials every week(flawless or not) if this meta doesn’t end then I’m not playing trials
I've been having the same issues, as a slightly above average player. Trials hasn't been fun for a while and even the 6v6 modes are on average more sweaty and unbalanced than they've ever been. This season, just been watching my KD steadily tank even though I've definitely improved my builds and gunplay overall. They gotta do something.
Your preaching too the choir bro. As a Titan main with my matchmaking no less than 9-10 hunters in my 6’s lobbies and trials is full of hunters. We all feel your pain bro.
Thank god someone said something. I normally do my one flawless a week to keep my glow. I keep it at one flawless because I rip my hair out otherwise. Most games I win I swear I’m at or above 12 kills while my teammates drop 3-5. Meanwhile, the enemy team all has 8, 8, 7. There are so many issues, and it doesn’t seem like any nerfs are coming. If this is how marathon is going yo be treated they’re already doomed. I swear to god every week I find myself sourly disappointed by the trials experience. The player pop is so bad too. I’ll check trials report and just say like “god damn”. I mean hell, I think there’s like 4.9k people on as of when I’m commenting across ALL PLATFORMS. The loot is terrible, and none of it feels as meaningful. Especially cosmetics. I wish there were more rare emblems, ghosts, and shaders that could drop from wins. That would light a fire under the playlist I think.
Honestly man, as a floatlock with final warning I can just float above most of the prismatic hunter bull (though prism hunters are atrocious rn and desperately need a nerf), the main thing I am hating about this weekend is the ammo economy. Having 6 one shot kills on a team at all times is absolutely unbearable. Had quite a few matches where every death was from a fusion, a shotgun, or forerunner, with no primary deaths whatsoever. And I know I know skill issue, but I just hate playing this cat and mouse game where 1 shot specials are being used as primaries.
The penalty system for quitting is what made me uninstall in a fit of anger recently. Had to run an errand and it banned me for 5 minutes and I just saw red lol like a ban for control?
I started following because of the daily build videos, I’ll keep watching whatever you choose to show. I’m in the same boat when it comes to trials but it is what it is. Trials is the main focus of crucible and it’s in a horrible state
You should try running prism warlock with winterbite and a sniper with blink, it’s fun and I’ve gotten suprisingly far in my trials passage with it, I do also use synthos + necrotic bond but I don’t think it changed much
9:08 the aim assist reduction was 100% needed for controller players. And you said “I’m not going to speak on something I don’t know about” and then proceeded to speak on it… The prismatic hunter needs more balancing, I agree. But Destiny was on controller based platforms first. And most of its players are on controller based platforms. So balancing the game around controller based platforms just makes sense.
I'm so confused with this comment. When did I say they should balance the game for mnk?!?!? I also said I'm not going to talk about how the AA nerf affects controller players for the clone? I didn't say I wasn't going to talk about balance. My point was that the class was too strong and needed some real nerfs.
@@Daltnix you made the implication that since the nerf didn’t affect mnk that it wasn’t a substantial nerf. You pointed out how that was false since, again, the destiny originally released only on consoles and the majority of the playerbase has always been, and continues to be on, consoles. I used the term controller based systems because folks cheat on other games I play (rainbow six) and use third party hardware and software to use mnk on console. When a nerf benefits a large majority of the playerbase I do see that as an impactful nerf. Your premise of if it doesn’t affect you it’s not impactful is logically fallacious, narcissistic, and in general, selfish. Take the feedback or don’t. It makes no difference to me.
Sad to hear, i went solo flawless every for lightfall, havent realy touched it this expansion due to pve content but played this weekend and had a blast
My opinion, is that the hunter class is fine, but the others are so underpowered and underwhelming that it paints a snake dominated picture. Titans need to be way more tanky in general (like able to tank a sniper bullet to the head under the right conditions) and warlocks need to be able to do more, more often. More ability spam or ease of refreshing abilities/buffs. Don’t nerf hunters! Buff everyone else!
I am really enjoying prismatic titan and I reaaaaly want to play it in trials but I know I literally can’t. Every reason to play that subclass gets annihilated by a smoke or swarm
I feel you bro. You’ve been one of my favorite content creators to watch they make the lobby balancing the most frustrating to where u have to use pris hunter or you won’t win solo. Lol aside from that I’d love to que up with you sometime G.
Put on the glaive! After I made my movement focused glaive build, I’ve managed to have fun in trials, despite the unwinnable games, maps, and new special system.
I’m a hunter main and I agree. The prismatic ability spam is so fucking annoying and needs to be nerfed. I’m a casual player. So trials stays off my list. I’m not about to get frustrated getting pub stomped by a bunch of tryhands sweating their dicks off. It’s not worth the headache.
I didn't buy the expansion anyway. For my perspective: -The 6x6 is full of sweeties using prismatic hunters and rose hand cannon, destroying newplayers that come to our scarse player base. I dont know why, but I think that the sweeties unwilling to stop using clearly broken metagame things on casual playlist. - Destiny tracker shows pretty unbalanced matches like one side getting 80%~90% chance of winning at the start of the game. Most of my games are like this: sometimes I get 15 KDA, sometimes 1,0 KDA using same build and playing with the same people lol. - I face the same bunch of guardians over and over again, dude, Brazil is the fifth-largest country in the world, the biggest country in latin america and I face the same players in a roll. - I enjoy chilling with my behemoth titan using Lorentz, nerfed class with a full nerfed weapon. I find hard times nowadays. - I enjoy Destiny 2 for PvP only, nearly infinite customization and builds capabilities. No other game bring those things together, unfortunately. I dont understand why other companies only bring premade characters for PvP games or customizable characters and char building for PvE games only.
I feel you on the burnout from trials too it is awful playing 3 prismatic hunters most games. I still can go flawless pretty easily but it's still not fun. If you ever wanna duo cards or something I'm not like crazy cracked like yourself but I'm around a 1.7-2.0 most weekends
You're an amazing PVE player so I wouldn't be too worried. People love build videos. Personally I'm going to quit this game in a 2 weeks when my grandma comes to stay with me. After 10 years of playing Destiny this is it for me. I'll probably sell my D2 account since I did sell my first account for $800 a few years back. It was fun while it lasted but all my friends (including my brother) have all quit this game.
Sorry to sound contrarian, but is there any evidence (i.e. analysis of blueberry CR / elo/ kd) that lobby balancing occurs in trials? I thought the modified snake draft was implemented in other gamemodes, not trials
i totally get it. The algorithm served up your videos a couple weeks ago after the raid hype died down and the weekend views started going back to pvp. For me, I play all three classes but I definitely main warlock. And I also hate using the same thing over and over again. So when Im at work on Friday watching twitch, I like to consider what builds I think I will be decent with for the specific map. Having videos like these is huge for that, and I have tried a few of your builds. Off meta is really tough right now, because it's tough to gauge if a build/playstyle is shit or if it's just shit because of prismatic hunter spam is so broken. 7:50 comment-- these vids are great for the solo perspective, but I think it would be good to showcase a team based build that is complementary. And I don't just mean speaker hat. I can't think of any examples really, but yeah that's why I watch
I haven’t played trials much or destiny much this season but yeah I never liked to complain about my teammates but when I’m matched with 0.3 kd teammates on my team and lose when I’m about to go flawless it gets on my nerves a little bit
i have just lost 3 times to go in the lighthouse because this game at the 6 match choose the best people in the enemies team and with me the blueberries, for 3 times only this week, and there was other times obviusly. Why I only match with noobies on my team? They expect me yo go flawless and carry everyone? Bruh this game literally sucks right now
I quit the game awhile ago now due to sbmm, lobby balancing, the trials losers bracket and constant never ending ability spam. The MM in this game is horrendous and I'm not dealing with it anymore. The ability spam in this game gives me brain rot and I'm just over it. Destiny could've been so good but yeah, it's a no for me. I just play XDefiant now and it's a far better game.
I mean Ive been having fun in trials for the most part ever since they introduced fireteam matching so solos can finally have a shot. Ive gone solo flawless every week since and as a solo pvp main I could FINALLY go flawless (it takes many hrs every week even goes into the next day somtimes if its real rough or im not warmed up). BUT and big BUT this season comp is just TOXIC. Last season I went ascendent for the first time ever (before Ive always got to adept and stayed there) this season I got the promotion phase to go ascendant lost it and now im just stuck and loosing points and now im just adept 2 for some reason. I play this game a LOT and the comp matches just feel like they think Im frostbolt or some sh$& like idk how it was so much “easier” (going accendant is NEVER easy holy f$&@) last season but compared to this season it feels like its near impossible. After the many weeks of trying Im just so done with comp. I just get super pissed and then tilt just makes me loose more. Like what happened? 😂 amd done even get me started on the 1-1-1 special ammo bs they cooked a fricked 8 course 5 star extravaganza with the meter system and then they just threw it allll out for basically the same as before but with more steps. Infuriating is an understatement for vet pvp players like my self. 😢
Prismatic been out for a while now but i only played trials today. I was busy with pve stuff. First games was totally not fun. I couldn't see, i always had to run, my life was always red. I was like Wtf is going on with crucible. This video perfectly explained my feelings well. I'll probably not come back to crucible for a while til this gets fixed
Look, Ill admit that as a PrismaHunter abuser myself, this is one of my least favorite metas ever Personally though, Id still rather this than getting one shot by bows for an entire year and a half from Lightfall-era PvP. PrismaHunter still sucks MASSIVE balls to fight against though
I agree with you on everything. Some things to add are that these issues don't just apply to trials, but crucible as a whole and I say this as a player who is very similar to your skill level. It just sucks as a long time player to know that the game is at its best when PvP is good and Bungie knows that but just doesn't care. The meta is borng, subclass 3.0 (while good for PvE) isn't good for PvP, AE still sucks, the matchmaking is trying to take into account 10 things at once in order to find matches. Bungie could easily do things to fix it and they just don't.
I totally agree. I'm a titan main who absolutely LOVES PVP and dont want to play hardly anymore. Im only mad because Hunter prismatic ability spam. I feel like 90% of players are hunters with that 1 specific build. It's ridiculous. They don't want to fight or engage at all. It's always smoke bomb and threated specter First. One shot and there gone or ability spam. They need to take threated spector off the radar and nerf Hunter prismatic ability cooldown Way more. I know I didn't mind Hunters before, but I absolutely can't stand them now. And if I dont join them then it's over. I very rarely see any Titans or Warlocks in Trials anymore, Good Luck everyone, Mainly non hunters 😂
Right there with ya. Prismatic hunter feels awful to fight against. I preferred being a hunter and fighting SMG titan meta 🤣 Do really still love your off meta builds at least for the other parts of crucible cause that's how I like to roll. Your hoarfrost titan build is what I've been rocking now 👌
ive never gone flawless, and i dont think i can while sticking to my go-to class - arc warlock. i like the buddies, but i love the regen on shield-break. i frag out but its just not good enough. also i dont think i can ever play another shooter that feels like destiny, it’s just too good
Hunters have always been so damn op man, Specter needs a massive cooldown increase, and it shouldn't spew out threadlings imo Titans are so damn mediocre besides Striker and Sentinel, Behemoth would be great but Bungie hasn't fixed Cryoclasm ever since it got bugged 3 months ago, Berserker needs a buff to Banner of War, Flechette and Into the Fray, and Solar is just a lost cause
I main titan and it feels like that I only have my guns, and you're always up against hunters that has guns + abilities 😅 See if you can play with Frostbolt, that would be fun to watch ok? 😊
Bro I swear everyone says they rather be back immortal target lock meta,yeah sure ok pal😂,literally the most ease of use loadout there was that did not get tuned for almost a season and a half.
Besides prismatic hunter been so broken atm, the matchmaking and player base, just as u said, is TERRIBLE! Imo, the only way bungie could boost up the player base is by turning the game 100% free and just chargind for season pass armor, cosmetics, etc. But we all know its never gonna happen since the game is hella expensive since D1. I have several frinds who just dont play because is expensive.... And about prismatic hunter, omg they need a huge nerf on the smoke bomb, storms edge, swarm nades and a lot more stuff... its so unfair to play against 3 hunters
Well remember when immortal came, there was about 50-60k players all weekend. Bungie don't give interesting rewards in trials at all. And Hunters....."sad emote" Well Trials not fun at all since prismatic came in. Bungie need to fully reconstruct loot system in trials.
I think the worst part of the pvp (After this meta) are the tryhards. Last week a Brazilian send me a friend request just for telling that Im trash and that my build was too OP and a cancer. He was playing prismatic Hunter. I was playing Prism Titan with Thruster Dredgen Lash and Abeyant Leep. Other part that why I dont like trials is the people that you can found in LFG. Or is some deadass tryhard that looks to your stats, or somebody that wants to be carry all the 7 matches. Im not even that good (I think that my k.d in crucible was 1.10 the las time that I check) so Is hard to find partners.
meta trashcans always care way too much. it's projection, because deep down, they know they suck at the game and need crutches like prismatic hunter to feel good about themselves in their wheelchair pvp.
Trials in D1 was a blast, had real gun battles. I come back to D2 and trials is an ability spam COD hardcore match getting two tapped by pulse rifles. Lame.
In my opinion the metagame is just a joke at this point. Its just swarm grenade after threaded specter over and over again. And dont even get me started on Storm's Edge.
Idk, maybe it's cuz of skill level, but honestly I feel titan and warlock also have annoying ass kits, so I don't understand the hunter hate. Im not top end player, but I feel like an average player uses the prismatic hunter kit more defensive against all the other stuff. Good luck, I hope you find what makes you happy, I love your content.
It's full of cheats they do nothing about, boring format, boring meta.. but good weapons. I played last week and it was all hunters with me as the sole warlock. Boring..
After Final shape, i'm not playing trials anymore because i got the best igneous hammer adept version. And now we can't get adept igneous~ I also knew the team balancing so fxcking sxck, and now we have the hunter meta yeah~boring trials~boring pvp~
People don't seem to understand the different between lobby balancing and SBMM lol .yes the match making is "random" and will grab 6 players that are matchmaking at random. I am talking about after that. The way bungie tries and balances out the lobby is really really bad.
I really want to see you and Cammy team up. It would be great.
@@Daltnix Bungie literally claims there is no lobby balancing but I'm not convinced eiher. Right when this mode came out in trials labs, it had lobby balancing (Bungie admitted to it) but it was called a "bug" they supposedly fixed. Sure doesn't feel fixed.
bro you r a joke lol
@@JARzxzxzx and you’re a douche.
they are not balancing, in the 6th match the enemies squad have guns with 6k kill and in my squad people with 13 kill and didnt have any exotic, this is bullshit
proof of concept. We team up. 1 weavewalk, 1 khepri sting wallhax. Use weavewalk to human barricade while armor piercing rounds shoot through you to snipe opponent.
That's actually a crazy team comp idea, lol. Would definitely be down to try it
Cammys mind man. Lol 🤯
This a collab I'd love to see. Two of my favorite creators.
Didn’t they change Khepri’s Sting to where you need to do damage with the smoke to get walls, instead of getting walls when you smoke yourself?
@@Daltnix didn't the video just said you're done playing trials?
The player population probably is the biggest issue to me. It’s to the point where if any casual is in the game it’s a blowout for whatever team gets them.
Player population huge on solo trials compared to 3 squad and 2 squad teams.
Just means have more solo players playing trials. Fact it’s so many terrible players in solo.
@@agamerjourney9146 That's just how it is tbh. I'm a solo player and if I play trials I will solo que. I'm not a pvp player. I'm decent but no where near as good as people that play it 24/7. That's why I feel like I and a lot of people are definitely the problem so we stay in pve. I'm playing trials to get my titan and warlock drip. I'm not looking for 25-0 flawless wins. I'm a simple player and enjoy grinding loot. I'm scared to play trials mostly because how does a new pvp player learn trials? There aren't guides talking about spawn points, best choke points to hold for you team, when to pop your super all that stuff. Even then I don't have a lot of high tier loot considering I am a solo player with no friends. I'll be using a regular shotgun vs people that have conditional finality. That's why I stay out of trials so I don't throw your game with my lack of game knowledge but at the cost of the trials community dying.
Exactly!
@@Zero-rj6re best thing do learn pvp is play competitive. Actually use mic and ask different players for advice in pvp.
Bungie: oh no, Prismatic hunter has a 50% usage rate in trials, time to nerf them.
>Does nothing to the smoke bomb (that they buffed for some reason)
>Does nothing about Storms Edge
>Does almost nothing to swarm grenades
>Reduces the aim assist and damage of the clone
*Bungie surprised Pikachu face when the "nerfs" didn't do anything to move the %
This is so true, absolutely clueless at bungie. Haven't played trials for weeks. Dreadful meta.
yup i think smoke bomb is the worst part. It's obviously the whole kit together that makes it so rough, and I generally like the idea of a flashbang/concussion style tactical in Destiny, but it shouldn't do crazy damage with a crazy stun and a crazy flashbang all in one. Oh and don't worry you don't need to build into it with stats because you get it for free with a dodge!
The crazy thing is if they try to nerf it towards prismatic and just make swarm and specter worse again, then people will figure out how strong void hunter is again. We really don't want to end up in another void hunter meta...
I think they should swap the swarm for the incendiary grenade. Strand aspect should be the whirlwind one and stasis aspect should be shatterdive so all the movement options are there.
Bro I swear they buffed storms edge. It was so much easier to dodge on release than it is now.
Because void titan overshield peacekeeper smg cloudstrike spam was so much more fun to fight 🙄
Player pop also brings up another huge problem where less skilled players get matched into high skill lobbies to balance out the games which is often an auto loss for the more skilled players. Even worse, the person will probably have one of the worst pvp experiences they'll ever have because there is no way for them to compete with top players. Everyone loses.
My least favorite part of pvp is definitely the meta. That is why I only play hardware.
Lobby balancing, the fact we will probably never get new maps , peer to peer conection ( no dedicated seevers) . Rumble trials and comp is more chill and fun the control which is the supposed quickplay mode. Somethings wrong about that . Anyhow i'm over this game .
Vergil
The boring/bad meta and the not great matchmaking don’t make a great combo. There are many ways to balance the game more for PvP that they just don’t do
@@lowkey_yayo5344 Ye
I 1v1d this trials sweat on my
titan and the first thing he did was smoke, then he threw a swarm. ran away then i shot him twice and he dodged left a spectre and ran away again. Didnt even shoot his gun. I pulled out my ghost and left 👍🏽
PvP in a nutshell lol, here’s a tip, next time u 1v1 a pros hunter, tells them to play any non pros subclass and then watch them drown in their own lack of gun skill
Recently I fought 2 Prismatic Hunters (on separate days) and they both did the same thing. They always throw a smoke nade and THEN use their weapon. It's frustrating. It's like "Can you at least shoot me with the gun first?!!" And then when they are losing the battle, here comes the Swarm Nades or Threaded Specter dodge. So tiring.
And yesterday I was trying to play with my clan with some explosion Solar build on my Hunter and I couldn't really get it to work. One cause I suck at the build cause I'm starting out with it, and two it was just people either teaming or just beaming me down with Khvostov or running at me with a shotgun. I just left through the tail end of the match, and apologized to my clanmates and said "I'm sorry I left, but I'm just not having fun. This is just not fun." Went to go play another game afterwards.
ur nuts
So basically that loser of player abandon your teammate’s. Lol
@@mini_6-50 i was already calling him out for playing prism hunter and he didnt swap lol
Destiny 2 is so boring dude this ain’t gonna last long. 8 years of destiny 2? We should have been had a D3. Oh welll was a great 10 year ride
Bro, I can't even play control as before. I'm just a casual player, but lately every match feels so much work that it is not worthy, so I just get out of there.
PvP in general post final shape has shown off some of the worst we see from metas and I might be pessimistic but it won’t get better.
After the bungie restructuring, they may cut PvP out of there focus so that they can continue making the stuff that directly makes money. A shame really.
They apparently got told to cater to casual pve mains who wander into pvp occasionally again by the higher ups instead of focusing on making pvp for pvp mains by the looks of it. I don't think they would scrap pvp though. That'd be the end of D2 imo.
1. Pvp strike team is still working and was not layed off / disbanded. Say about their choices what you will but they still exist.
2. Ever since the huge revenue miss, Bungie remembered they have a pvp community. Strike team, new maps (made within a few weeks btw), now Bungie bounty and even tournaments hosted by Bungie / their charity.
It seems they finally realized pvp players also buy all the expansions, cosmetics and what not and other than pve players we tend to stick around for a long time but when taken for granted... oopsy, 45% revenue miss. Wonder how that happened with pvp having been in a really bad spot in this "pve game". (It is again but they made some steps in the right direction in between.)
They need to have people playing they game. If they cut pvp from the game their player base would shrink. Yeah, you can play pve but the replayability sucks. Even if you want certain god roll weapon. Pvp is what has been taking Destiny a float during content droughts since old expansions.
Yeah I jumped off the game as well. So done! Finally someone is calling out the BS about Lobby balancing! Thank you!
I have gone flawless solo for the past couple weeks, but this week was just a struggle to get 7 wins. Smoke bombs are so annoying.
I'm soo sick of swarm, smoke, spectre on prismatic hunter. Its oppressive to play against. Not only that but the lobbies have been insane. My overall trials kd is pretty mediocre at 1.29 so why am I playing against 2.5+ kd people while I'll have .3s or lower on my team? The game was over before it even started. Just my 2 cents though.
The lobby balancing has been the biggest issue for me. I can handle comp because it’s at least bearable for everyone since it’s based on your rank but trials I have been struggling for flawless for 4 weeks (5 if you include shayuras week)
There was an instance which happened every week of trials at this point most of y’all might possibly agree with me you get matched with players that are just okay to somewhat bearable and you face your opponents that have way too high base stats that makes you unable to do anything and I just gave up. I’ve been so miserable for 4 weeks of trying to get just one flawless JUST ONE!
I’ve lost my flawless twice this week. It’s completely breaking my sanity at this point. I am a titan main but I moved to hunters just to slightly even the playing field but no matter what I do it’s just pointless
Altar of Flame : 3 times fell out
Bannerfall : 1 time fell out
Javelin : 1 time fell out
Shores of Time/Distant Shore : 2 times fell out
At least in my experience, I don’t think there is lobby balancing. It feels like 50/50 where I’ve got the best players against terrible players and vice versa. At least in solos anyway. It’s more rare I get really good games where it goes 4-4 with randoms. But I’d agree with you with that prismatic Hunter is so annoying to fight against. I’ve been maining prismatic Titan for trials and do well, but I do play with solid players. I haven’t been playing solo much cause the maps have been so ass for solo play. Not sure why they don’t use the new maps and decided to bring the biggest and madly maps this season.
yeah there is no lobby balancing in trials. Every other game-mode has it, but not trials.
@@sQuaTsiFieD liar
They need to treat Threaded Spector Hunter how the treated Citan's Titans
Extended cooldown on dodge, no longer spews out threadlings when destroyed and procs on kill effects when you do, like the other construct creating abilities
@@morganpriest7726that would kill it in pve and also make it useless on strand Hunter, just remove it off prismatic and replace it with a different aspect, it's that simple
and antaeus wards
@@Williamwillow_ nobody uses strand hunter in pve lol get real
@@morganpriest7726 imagine if players got kill clip/memento mori from blowing up their decoy crutch. you'd see the spam plummet very quickly when they can no longer freely crutch their OP decoy
Whoever in bungie thought open skill for unflawed card were good idea is just pure evil. Most probably sweats crying can't play with other sweats therefore feel good about themselves stomping low level players. Bungie won't do shit if famous destiny youtubers don't complain about it. GG
I could never get into Trials. The netcoding and the match making made the game too frustrating for me. Bungie is not going to anything to really improve Trials at this stage.
I was a titan main, but I stopped playing after witch queen. I came back for Final Shape and played titan for all the pve stuff and then got back into PVP and trials because thats what I enjoyed most about the game when I did play. I was getting absolutely destroyed and had a .8 KD, I decided to switch to Hunter and just doubled my KD for the following week and pushed my KD to postive for the season and PVP is actually playable for me now lmao.
Your videos will be missed. Most of my desire to play PVP was trying your builds out to help me.
People act like bungie is incompetent and doesnt know what theyre doing. They wont nerf prismatic hunter significantly because that would require doing actual work to basically make their newest set of dlc obsolete. And nothing gets between bungie and that sweet stack
AGREEEEEEEED on every point and aspect of this awful meta. I hope they do something about it soon. As a warlock main who is a rusher in PVP, it's so freaking boring going against a bunch of Prismatic Hunters cause it slows the game down when their primaries are their abilities. Even if you know one Hunter used all their abilities, the other Hunter right up their asscrack ends up using theirs against you. It's so cheesy. Tired of it. Then you have blueberry teammates who just don't push in with you to create pressure. I really would take SMG Titans over this shit lmao.
At least with PK immortal titans you could at the very least, play the game.
I disagree with his point on 120s and taking away precision as a perk due to the strength 140s already have, but yeah as a titan main it’s hard to play against hunters as I can’t close the gap. Warlocks are like the stable pvp meta, you guys are rarely weak or strong but when you guys are strong everyone can still play
lmao it took a while to realise but smoke bomb does blind and slow while being a void ability, really puts the nail in the coffin
The real problem is its only 5-10% of the player base bothering with Trials, its just a bunch of sweats left playing. It's nothing new though because people were forcing themselves to play it for certain unlocks. That's the problem, people had to have an incentive for an unlock to play a mode instead of having fun from it.
Bungie claims trials mm to be completely random and not lobby balanced but I don't believe it. They had the bug in trials labs where lobby balancing was active and they even admitted it was once everyone called them out.
Supposedly, they fixed that and now override the cr when creating the lobby to make the teams random but... everyone's experience seems to suggest the game still does lobby balancing in trials.
Correct, if u play last match better next match u will team up with 2 noobs and 3 sweaty opponents. Another reason i gave up going flawless last week reset.
I feel exactly like you every word you said. Normally I played Trials to go flawless around 10 times, now I play only one card to just keep the streak but thats it.
It is so stupid implementing Checkmate just to be where we are right now. Prismatic, abilities, and special spam, plus cheaters, something you didnt talk about it, is making the game dying slowly.
We need shake the thing real quick and turn 180 degrees the current situation or is going to be worst and worst.
There is no going back.
Exotic class item was a mistake. Transcendent was a mistake. Ergo, Prismatic, as yet another subclass, was a mistake.
There is ZERO reason to run other class other than Prismatic (Only exception is Warlocks, because of Icarus Dash) in both PvE and PvP
Is it fun? Hell yeah! Most fun I've ever had playing PvE in this game.
Does it brake balance? Every, single, metric. This subclass handicapped the rest and is not even close.
Bungie couldn't care less about a healthy sandbox experience, it has proven time and time again to hard for them.
Hard agree.
I was thinking the same exact thing today! I would go flawless without any issue solo. Ive more than 500 flawless but this ssn has been so so irritating. The changes and this week the special changes this week. Man i had 6 cards where i had to carry so so hard to get 5 wins but then lost all 6 cards on my lighthouse game because the duo or the 2 other singles in my teal were so so bad. Most of the time they were less than .4 kd, when the other team had it way better. I was just thinking today man im gettin old and my reflexes are slowing down. Time to quit taking trials and comp seriously. But your video made me realize that its not me but it the player pop, meta (as you said id take any other meta than this), solo match making and the lobbies are so so bad this ssn
I agree. The prismatic hunter nerfs are a joke, I play on console and every week I try to go flawless I do with mostly no issue. I've been flawless on all classes and most subclasses, but since the finale shape I have had to fight tooth and nail on my hunter to get there. The weapon meta is very good currently although I do think that 120s are really good I agree with just removing percussion instrument. All in all I am absolutely hating trials right now to the point where I might just quit the game entirely.
I want percussion instrument in my house
I quit this weekend after about 5 months of consistently playing trials every week(flawless or not) if this meta doesn’t end then I’m not playing trials
I've been having the same issues, as a slightly above average player.
Trials hasn't been fun for a while and even the 6v6 modes are on average more sweaty and unbalanced than they've ever been.
This season, just been watching my KD steadily tank even though I've definitely improved my builds and gunplay overall.
They gotta do something.
Your preaching too the choir bro. As a Titan main with my matchmaking no less than 9-10 hunters in my 6’s lobbies and trials is full of hunters. We all feel your pain bro.
Thank god someone said something. I normally do my one flawless a week to keep my glow. I keep it at one flawless because I rip my hair out otherwise. Most games I win I swear I’m at or above 12 kills while my teammates drop 3-5. Meanwhile, the enemy team all has 8, 8, 7. There are so many issues, and it doesn’t seem like any nerfs are coming. If this is how marathon is going yo be treated they’re already doomed. I swear to god every week I find myself sourly disappointed by the trials experience. The player pop is so bad too. I’ll check trials report and just say like “god damn”. I mean hell, I think there’s like 4.9k people on as of when I’m commenting across ALL PLATFORMS. The loot is terrible, and none of it feels as meaningful. Especially cosmetics. I wish there were more rare emblems, ghosts, and shaders that could drop from wins. That would light a fire under the playlist I think.
Ya its pretty tough even in havic supremacy. Bungie tried rotating out maps, but no one wanted then and begged them out to add them back.
Honestly man, as a floatlock with final warning I can just float above most of the prismatic hunter bull (though prism hunters are atrocious rn and desperately need a nerf), the main thing I am hating about this weekend is the ammo economy. Having 6 one shot kills on a team at all times is absolutely unbearable. Had quite a few matches where every death was from a fusion, a shotgun, or forerunner, with no primary deaths whatsoever. And I know I know skill issue, but I just hate playing this cat and mouse game where 1 shot specials are being used as primaries.
The penalty system for quitting is what made me uninstall in a fit of anger recently. Had to run an errand and it banned me for 5 minutes and I just saw red lol like a ban for control?
1:08 I hear “I’d take any meta over this one” EVERY SINGLE META. Maybe not from you but you hear that every meta in every game.
I started following because of the daily build videos, I’ll keep watching whatever you choose to show. I’m in the same boat when it comes to trials but it is what it is. Trials is the main focus of crucible and it’s in a horrible state
You should try running prism warlock with winterbite and a sniper with blink, it’s fun and I’ve gotten suprisingly far in my trials passage with it, I do also use synthos + necrotic bond but I don’t think it changed much
9:08 the aim assist reduction was 100% needed for controller players. And you said “I’m not going to speak on something I don’t know about” and then proceeded to speak on it…
The prismatic hunter needs more balancing, I agree. But Destiny was on controller based platforms first. And most of its players are on controller based platforms. So balancing the game around controller based platforms just makes sense.
I'm so confused with this comment. When did I say they should balance the game for mnk?!?!? I also said I'm not going to talk about how the AA nerf affects controller players for the clone? I didn't say I wasn't going to talk about balance. My point was that the class was too strong and needed some real nerfs.
@@Daltnix you made the implication that since the nerf didn’t affect mnk that it wasn’t a substantial nerf. You pointed out how that was false since, again, the destiny originally released only on consoles and the majority of the playerbase has always been, and continues to be on, consoles. I used the term controller based systems because folks cheat on other games I play (rainbow six) and use third party hardware and software to use mnk on console.
When a nerf benefits a large majority of the playerbase I do see that as an impactful nerf. Your premise of if it doesn’t affect you it’s not impactful is logically fallacious, narcissistic, and in general, selfish.
Take the feedback or don’t. It makes no difference to me.
Sad to hear, i went solo flawless every for lightfall, havent realy touched it this expansion due to pve content but played this weekend and had a blast
It’s worse than when shatter done was over powered. No skill, just all the same. I played two games and left. Never to return.
My opinion, is that the hunter class is fine, but the others are so underpowered and underwhelming that it paints a snake dominated picture. Titans need to be way more tanky in general (like able to tank a sniper bullet to the head under the right conditions) and warlocks need to be able to do more, more often. More ability spam or ease of refreshing abilities/buffs. Don’t nerf hunters! Buff everyone else!
How about just taking out prismatic from pvp or just in trails? It would balance a lot of stuff...
I am really enjoying prismatic titan and I reaaaaly want to play it in trials but I know I literally can’t. Every reason to play that subclass gets annihilated by a smoke or swarm
If 340’s get adjusted then 100% PI needs to get hit with along with them.
All your comments I ever seen is nerfing warlock skates and titans but now you don’t want them to nerf 340 which makes me think your hunter main
I made the shift to apex. I just couldn’t take destiny anymore.
Yall remember when bubble titans ruled for the better part of a year?? I sure do, where my hunter was dang near useless .
I feel you bro. You’ve been one of my favorite content creators to watch they make the lobby balancing the most frustrating to where u have to use pris hunter or you won’t win solo. Lol aside from that I’d love to que up with you sometime G.
Only way to have compete, play stacked in duo or trio que. Run meta. Game sucks rn
Put on the glaive! After I made my movement focused glaive build, I’ve managed to have fun in trials, despite the unwinnable games, maps, and new special system.
I’m a hunter main and I agree. The prismatic ability spam is so fucking annoying and needs to be nerfed.
I’m a casual player. So trials stays off my list. I’m not about to get frustrated getting pub stomped by a bunch of tryhands sweating their dicks off. It’s not worth the headache.
I didn't buy the expansion anyway.
For my perspective:
-The 6x6 is full of sweeties using prismatic hunters and rose hand cannon, destroying newplayers that come to our scarse player base. I dont know why, but I think that the sweeties unwilling to stop using clearly broken metagame things on casual playlist.
- Destiny tracker shows pretty unbalanced matches like one side getting 80%~90% chance of winning at the start of the game. Most of my games are like this: sometimes I get 15 KDA, sometimes 1,0 KDA using same build and playing with the same people lol.
- I face the same bunch of guardians over and over again, dude, Brazil is the fifth-largest country in the world, the biggest country in latin america and I face the same players in a roll.
- I enjoy chilling with my behemoth titan using Lorentz, nerfed class with a full nerfed weapon. I find hard times nowadays.
- I enjoy Destiny 2 for PvP only, nearly infinite customization and builds capabilities. No other game bring those things together, unfortunately. I dont understand why other companies only bring premade characters for PvP games or customizable characters and char building for PvE games only.
Glad to see im not the only warlock who stopped having fun in pvp this season
I feel you on the burnout from trials too it is awful playing 3 prismatic hunters most games. I still can go flawless pretty easily but it's still not fun. If you ever wanna duo cards or something I'm not like crazy cracked like yourself but I'm around a 1.7-2.0 most weekends
As a new player it’s super discouraging to even try
You're an amazing PVE player so I wouldn't be too worried. People love build videos. Personally I'm going to quit this game in a 2 weeks when my grandma comes to stay with me. After 10 years of playing Destiny this is it for me. I'll probably sell my D2 account since I did sell my first account for $800 a few years back. It was fun while it lasted but all my friends (including my brother) have all quit this game.
Sorry to sound contrarian, but is there any evidence (i.e. analysis of blueberry CR / elo/ kd) that lobby balancing occurs in trials? I thought the modified snake draft was implemented in other gamemodes, not trials
To be fair my main reason to skip trials is the loot. Just nothing to grind for aside the SMG
i totally get it. The algorithm served up your videos a couple weeks ago after the raid hype died down and the weekend views started going back to pvp. For me, I play all three classes but I definitely main warlock. And I also hate using the same thing over and over again. So when Im at work on Friday watching twitch, I like to consider what builds I think I will be decent with for the specific map. Having videos like these is huge for that, and I have tried a few of your builds. Off meta is really tough right now, because it's tough to gauge if a build/playstyle is shit or if it's just shit because of prismatic hunter spam is so broken. 7:50 comment-- these vids are great for the solo perspective, but I think it would be good to showcase a team based build that is complementary. And I don't just mean speaker hat. I can't think of any examples really, but yeah that's why I watch
That’s my goat. Respect man 🫡
I haven’t played trials much or destiny much this season but yeah I never liked to complain about my teammates but when I’m matched with 0.3 kd teammates on my team and lose when I’m about to go flawless it gets on my nerves a little bit
finding out you get a free flawless weapon I can see why people wouldn't try
i have just lost 3 times to go in the lighthouse because this game at the 6 match choose the best people in the enemies team and with me the blueberries, for 3 times only this week, and there was other times obviusly. Why I only match with noobies on my team? They expect me yo go flawless and carry everyone? Bruh this game literally sucks right now
I quit the game awhile ago now due to sbmm, lobby balancing, the trials losers bracket and constant never ending ability spam. The MM in this game is horrendous and I'm not dealing with it anymore. The ability spam in this game gives me brain rot and I'm just over it. Destiny could've been so good but yeah, it's a no for me. I just play XDefiant now and it's a far better game.
I mean Ive been having fun in trials for the most part ever since they introduced fireteam matching so solos can finally have a shot. Ive gone solo flawless every week since and as a solo pvp main I could FINALLY go flawless (it takes many hrs every week even goes into the next day somtimes if its real rough or im not warmed up). BUT and big BUT this season comp is just TOXIC. Last season I went ascendent for the first time ever (before Ive always got to adept and stayed there) this season I got the promotion phase to go ascendant lost it and now im just stuck and loosing points and now im just adept 2 for some reason. I play this game a LOT and the comp matches just feel like they think Im frostbolt or some sh$& like idk how it was so much “easier” (going accendant is NEVER easy holy f$&@) last season but compared to this season it feels like its near impossible. After the many weeks of trying Im just so done with comp. I just get super pissed and then tilt just makes me loose more. Like what happened? 😂 amd done even get me started on the 1-1-1 special ammo bs they cooked a fricked 8 course 5 star extravaganza with the meter system and then they just threw it allll out for basically the same as before but with more steps. Infuriating is an understatement for vet pvp players like my self. 😢
Just don't stop, i love your content.
Prismatic been out for a while now but i only played trials today. I was busy with pve stuff.
First games was totally not fun. I couldn't see, i always had to run, my life was always red. I was like Wtf is going on with crucible. This video perfectly explained my feelings well. I'll probably not come back to crucible for a while til this gets fixed
Look, Ill admit that as a PrismaHunter abuser myself, this is one of my least favorite metas ever
Personally though, Id still rather this than getting one shot by bows for an entire year and a half from Lightfall-era PvP.
PrismaHunter still sucks MASSIVE balls to fight against though
Id rather this than getting 1 punched and frozen by titans, which is what will happen if they nerf hunters into the ground
I agree with you on everything. Some things to add are that these issues don't just apply to trials, but crucible as a whole and I say this as a player who is very similar to your skill level. It just sucks as a long time player to know that the game is at its best when PvP is good and Bungie knows that but just doesn't care. The meta is borng, subclass 3.0 (while good for PvE) isn't good for PvP, AE still sucks, the matchmaking is trying to take into account 10 things at once in order to find matches. Bungie could easily do things to fix it and they just don't.
I totally agree. I'm a titan main who absolutely LOVES PVP and dont want to play hardly anymore. Im only mad because Hunter prismatic ability spam. I feel like 90% of players are hunters with that 1 specific build. It's ridiculous. They don't want to fight or engage at all. It's always smoke bomb and threated specter First. One shot and there gone or ability spam. They need to take threated spector off the radar and nerf Hunter prismatic ability cooldown Way more. I know I didn't mind Hunters before, but I absolutely can't stand them now. And if I dont join them then it's over. I very rarely see any Titans or Warlocks in Trials anymore, Good Luck everyone, Mainly non hunters 😂
Right there with ya. Prismatic hunter feels awful to fight against. I preferred being a hunter and fighting SMG titan meta 🤣 Do really still love your off meta builds at least for the other parts of crucible cause that's how I like to roll. Your hoarfrost titan build is what I've been rocking now 👌
ive never gone flawless, and i dont think i can while sticking to my go-to class - arc warlock. i like the buddies, but i love the regen on shield-break. i frag out but its just not good enough.
also i dont think i can ever play another shooter that feels like destiny, it’s just too good
Hunters have always been so damn op man, Specter needs a massive cooldown increase, and it shouldn't spew out threadlings imo
Titans are so damn mediocre besides Striker and Sentinel, Behemoth would be great but Bungie hasn't fixed Cryoclasm ever since it got bugged 3 months ago, Berserker needs a buff to Banner of War, Flechette and Into the Fray, and Solar is just a lost cause
Smoke, swarm, dodge, spectre, spectre explosion, threadling. Every fuggin engagement. Then 2 or 3 X it.
I main titan and it feels like that I only have my guns, and you're always up against hunters that has guns + abilities 😅
See if you can play with Frostbolt, that would be fun to watch ok? 😊
Bro I swear everyone says they rather be back immortal target lock meta,yeah sure ok pal😂,literally the most ease of use loadout there was that did not get tuned for almost a season and a half.
Besides prismatic hunter been so broken atm, the matchmaking and player base, just as u said, is TERRIBLE! Imo, the only way bungie could boost up the player base is by turning the game 100% free and just chargind for season pass armor, cosmetics, etc. But we all know its never gonna happen since the game is hella expensive since D1. I have several frinds who just dont play because is expensive....
And about prismatic hunter, omg they need a huge nerf on the smoke bomb, storms edge, swarm nades and a lot more stuff... its so unfair to play against 3 hunters
In my opinion, prismatic alone just ruins PvP for me, its better without it
That was absolutely a headshot.. 8:34
Well remember when immortal came, there was about 50-60k players all weekend. Bungie don't give interesting rewards in trials at all. And Hunters....."sad emote" Well Trials not fun at all since prismatic came in. Bungie need to fully reconstruct loot system in trials.
The player base isn’t a three way split, your facts are laughably wrong. Too many of y’allare advising on this game without knowing anything about it.
I think the worst part of the pvp (After this meta) are the tryhards. Last week a Brazilian send me a friend request just for telling that Im trash and that my build was too OP and a cancer.
He was playing prismatic Hunter.
I was playing Prism Titan with Thruster Dredgen Lash and Abeyant Leep.
Other part that why I dont like trials is the people that you can found in LFG. Or is some deadass tryhard that looks to your stats, or somebody that wants to be carry all the 7 matches. Im not even that good (I think that my k.d in crucible was 1.10 the las time that I check) so Is hard to find partners.
meta trashcans always care way too much. it's projection, because deep down, they know they suck at the game and need crutches like prismatic hunter to feel good about themselves in their wheelchair pvp.
Trials in D1 was a blast, had real gun battles. I come back to D2 and trials is an ability spam COD hardcore match getting two tapped by pulse rifles. Lame.
Maybe if they opened trials to everyone then the population will go up and the sweatiness might go down a bit
There isn't lobby balancing in trials. There have been a lot of super unbalanced trials matches. Otherwise agree with what you're saying
Ma'am I tried just void shield titan earlier and bruh it was hilariously fun
I was playing trials to get engrams and all my teamates every match told me to kill myslef and to stop queuing 🤣 shit made me laugh so hard
In my opinion the metagame is just a joke at this point. Its just swarm grenade after threaded specter over and over again. And dont even get me started on Storm's Edge.
Idk, maybe it's cuz of skill level, but honestly I feel titan and warlock also have annoying ass kits, so I don't understand the hunter hate. Im not top end player, but I feel like an average player uses the prismatic hunter kit more defensive against all the other stuff. Good luck, I hope you find what makes you happy, I love your content.
Bro i dont understand the metas i just be rocking fire titan with random ass guns
Fyi, all the consoles play together. It’s only PC that gets parsed out from the rest
they need to hire people that regularly play the game if they did that then the game would instatnly get better
Totally agree prismatic hunters take away the fun and skill dodge for wins win by not engaging
And the numbers suck.. in my region you could play the same people game after game.
Cracked sixes builds? I’m sticking around either way. Trials sucks, used to play regularly, been trash so far.
Let’s not even start talking about the special ammo system
It's full of cheats they do nothing about, boring format, boring meta.. but good weapons.
I played last week and it was all hunters with me as the sole warlock. Boring..
After Final shape, i'm not playing trials anymore because i got the best igneous hammer adept version. And now we can't get adept igneous~ I also knew the team balancing so fxcking sxck, and now we have the hunter meta yeah~boring trials~boring pvp~