When I painted a frame many years ago, I hung it from the garage ceiling with string to avoid touching it. You should be able to find some places inside the tubes to tie to, perhaps using a small stick stuck inside to avoid string touching where you need to paint. Or larger sticks through the bb and head tube with strings on either side of them might work.
having painted a pair of my own bikes, I know how exhausting the whole process can be. it is a clear testament of your magnetic persona that you can somehow make it entertaining to watch. my only advice would be to spend some time deciding on exactly what you want, and equally important, forgive yourself for any mistakes in design or application. fully embrace the end result. looking forward to the rest of this series!
this made me smile sooooo much Juliet...your lovely!!! been cleaning up my bike to sell today , and looking at vids to DIY service etc...and found yours..i LOVE the tiny spray booth...and then at 5:08....you say im not trying to make a show bike, just do my best and if it looks nice kool...this is exactly what ive been saying thru lock down, as ive decided im gonna weld all new sills/wheel archs on my transit...and everyone laffs....(ive only ever welded a couple of sculptures & made a wood burner) like 20yrs ago..but im gunna do it...and quote ' if it looks good its a bonus' :) i really dont have another option, as it'd be in the 1000's to have done professionally !!! sending good vibes bab *** thanks for the smiles ***
I recommend using wet and dry sandpaper final is 800 or 1200 grit for a fine Finnish. Use this with water. Hang the frame from an eyelet using a bungy hook cuts down handling.
When I did both my kids BMX and an old 531 frame I stripped them with nitromorse which is quicker than sanding - and hung frames off floor using old clothes line and a coat hanger. Really like the paint you've got - way better than auto paints I used.
I used a chemical paint stripper, which wasn't very nice but was very effective and quick, then sanded it down after, before painting my GF's bike. If you do this again, when you were misting the end of the forks that was much more the technique to guarantee a smooth surface. Distance is important. I also hung the frame up using wire attached to the tube holes inside. Hope that helps.
Having sanded down several frames by hand, do yourself a favor and get a palm sander or chemical paint remover when/ if you try this again. Its way way way faster and better finish at the end. I usually sand all the way up to 2000 grit.
@@Godisgr8always Nope. Only a really strong stripper as most caads are powder coated. Gasket stripper is a sure bet though and easier to apply, AND safe for aluminium, as most engine heads are aluminium. Gasket stripper, take it from someone who's been there done that 👍🏻
You need to go to an auto body supply store and get the proper tape to mask off your frame. They have tape you can manipulate easier for design work. It's done all the time with cars. I'm sure they can give you ideas on how to approach what ever design you were thinking of.
wrap lace around the bike and then paint the different sections the different colors you want. you will still keep the light color in the darker ones, plus it will hide any imperfections of the paint job.
problem with chemical paint removal is that its chemical. yes its quicker and easier but its not good for theenviroment and if you dont have a roperly ventilated area its not safe. also is you just sand enough so the surface is rough a couple of coats will do fine, yes the bike will be heavier because you have more paint on but its not that noticable.
@@Brurgh This is kind of oblique but any harm to the environment was done the moment the product was manufactured. The idea that "every bit counts" doesn't really extend to one can of paint stripper, given that professionals use the stuff by the 20 litre pail. Maybe I'm rationalizing, I just put a whole can of it on my old Rocky Mountain. I'm going to go scrape it now. Also, I'm guessing that going all the way to bare metal is going to make a difference with an old steel frame. We'll see...
I did my own cycle 2 years ago and it was great. It was every bit as good as done by a machine but i did use expensive auto can spray and top coat lacquer sanded between two coats. ONLY thing that was a downer to it all the annealing process which I didn't do but was ignorant of and did mean after building the bike back up that cables caused the paint to slurr even though it had been done two weeks earlier.
Do you you have a sandblasting service available in the UK? It’s much faster than doing by hand. If you have a wire coat hanger you can unwind it and and fit it down the seat tube and hook it into the bottom bracket then hang the other end of the coat hanger from a hook in the ceiling! To make it even more stable take a second coat hanger and put it through the head tube and hang the frame from two points! It’ll take a little creative engineering but I think you’ll figure it out!
Juliet Elliott If you get overspray in the BB, your local bike shop has a tool to chase the threads and clean the pain out. The pros do this after painting a frame as well as facing the BB shell.
try hanging the frame to the top of your shed. when its suspended, you can spin it around, and manipulate it a lot easier... as for your stripes, you're gonna have to tackle it from a two-halves kind of approach. and it'll meet in the middle. so for example if you have the white frame base color, and you want a purple stripe that runs down from the top tube onto the down tube, you're gonna need four pieces of tape, minimum, to make a "Frame", what you were doing, was close, but you're gonna need individual strips that meet in the middle. of the tube (when looking down at the bike, or up at the bottom of the top tube). now that you got the frame taped off, you'll paint the middle portion that you want purple, let it dry, then remove the taped section. if you feel that this becomes a bit more complicated than you imagined, you can always go for different fades where you transition from one color into another, or maybe even splatter jobs, with blotches maybe.
Striping is best done by creating a stencil of the pattern that you want. Albeit time-consuming it should give you the result that you desire. Alternatively, you could try a different pattern by creating triangles by progressively masking them and spraying them in different colours. Usually looks better with them being of the same colour palate. By the by were you able to complete the bike? I'm planning to do mine as well.
Split the bike into thirds. Paint at 30 to 40 degree angle. Use that base colour between each colour. Do the same on the forks. But use more of the pink for example and then the demanding to at the top. Hope that makes sense
I've got no time to read all these comments so someone could have already suggested it, but when you want to do stripes you should use a cross line laser to project the line you want on the bike and then mask it with multiple short pieces of tape connected.
If you want to do your stripes like you mentioned there is a product called fine line tape that custom car painters use for intricate designs like flames and scallops. It bends and flexes very easily and then you can use your other tape to make farther from the fine line tape by using small overlapping pieces of it in the more complex areas which most of the bike is due to the round tubes.
you can do one thing.. wrap the tape for 3-4 inches on the bar where you want stripes.. then with a blade cut that cross stripe as you wanted.. then remove the rest of tape except that stripe part..
I've painted four frames, including custom decals and box pinstriping and one with automotive paint, so I learned a few things the hard way. First, don't listen to Joan Crawford because metal coat hangers are great - they work well for hanging parts. Make it so that the hook is at the top and you can flip the hook around without touching the frame to get at the other side for painting. For the stripe, you'll want to wrap around the tube with a piece/collective pieces of tape that will be the total height of your stripe. Say you want a 1" wide stripe that angles up so that the highest point of the stripe (say, at the inside center of the seat tube) is 3" higher than the lowest point (say, the back center of the seat tube). You'll want to make a mask that's at least 3" wide that wraps around the seat tube. From there, you mark your stripe's top center and bottom center (you might want to use a couple pieces of tape above and below your mask and mark them with a pencil on your mask and those reference pieces so that you can align your mask exactly), peel it off without stretching it, lay the mask on sticker backing paper/wax paper, cut the stripe out, and reapply the mask using your reference marks to help align it. It may take a couple of tries to get the exact shape you want.
A lot of comments on here about hanging the frame, all of which work. Since you unscrewed the drop-out plates, you could pass a metal coat hanger through one of these screw holes (going to the hole on the opposite drop-out too) and hang the frame that way. It's an area that will ultimately be covered, so even if the metal hanger hides a bit of base coat around the screw hole, it's ok. It's simple, much more than trying to hang from the BB shell (which you can mask off/around anyway if you did). And when you do your paint work, you can move the frame around without touching the frame itself. Looking at your video, your shed seems to have wooden beams above, you could tie rope/string around the beam (leaving a tiny bit of slack) and hook the bike hanger off of that. Or if there isn't a beam directly above dead center, why not tie rope, tightly, across two beams. And an idea for masking off the desired design. What if first you just used wide masking tape around (not on an angle) the top tube and seat-tube. Then as you did by laying the tape across from the TT to ST, you could use that as a guide to draw the stencil shape. Then use a blade to cut along the line you've drawn, peel the outer tape, and your shape/design is done. Car pin-striping tape (suggested by a few here already) could help in getting that smooth round join on the back of the ST, so does the stencil idea.
Camoflage pattern, the beauty is that there is no pattern, mask off random areas in random shapes, spray one colour and repeat, cream, pink, green and blue camo would look amazing,
You can use a pencil mark as a guide location for where to place tape. I've found that pinstripe tape is easier to lay out, and then you can place the blue tape over that to get clean edges. If you have clearcoat paint, spray a bit on the edge of the tape before spraying colour. What that does is prevent paint bleed into the tape edges, only the clearcoat paint bleeds, so when you later remove the tape, the paint edge lines are nice and straight. You can practice on a flat board or scrap first, if you're not sure about the technique. I use to paint motorcycles, so I leather a ton of tricks to make paint work better.
Get a 3M vinyl masking tape. It stretches easily and it's much easier to work into a shape you need, especially if you get a fine line one so that both bottom and top edges of the stripe are nice and curvy without the chevron pattern. The space between the vinyl tape can then be filled with a normal masking tape.
how did the frame hold up? I'm thinking of paining an old Chameleon that I have to refresh it and it's either this or powder coating. I'd like to do it myself but I'm scared that I'll mess it up badly and end up spending more to fix it.
Faster to use a mouse sander then finisher of by hand with wet 800 grit. Wipe down with prepsol or wax and grease remover. I do acrest spot to see ifbi get a paint reaction like wrinkling. If you do the use an isolation primer or take back to metal. I have done frames where u take oi the blasters for a plastic bead blast or a chemical strip. Pain over paint is fine if you arent covering fine detail or a weight weenie. Cant beat your own paint job.
Do a fade job. I think it will be easier for you. Also, if you haven't, I'd dip the can of paint in warm water for a few minutes before spraying. That way it comes out smoother.
you can dubble tape parallel next to each other with smaller tape (real fine tape) and fill that in with anather tape or something to still get the design you wanted
If you don't have access to an indoor paint area, then make your own with card board by making 3 sides with a covered top. Make sure you have good lighting inside to see what you're painting & if its too cold ie. below 15C, you can use a space heater. I fill a bucket with hot water & throw the cans in to let them heat up till I'm ready to use & be sure to shake them often. The paint will go on smoother & more evenly. Its the details that make the biggest difference in how well the project turns out. Sanding is the most important thing in painting paradoxically. Its hard to imagine the colors in a design, so you need to spray some samples to see how the paint will look in real life & how they will complement each other. Same as you would paint your house, you get some samples & see how it looks on the wall. Good luck & take your time.
Get yourself some fine line tape for the masking, it will give you a nice clean edge when you remove it, if you use ordinary masking tape it will give a jagged edge, you will also find it much easier to use around the tubes. For any decent paint job, the preparation is critical, it's worth while taking your time.
@@JulietElliottsChannel The fine line tape is just used for the edge you are painting up to, so you only need to buy a narrow roll, you can then mask any larger areas with the tape you already have. If you try painting up to both different types of tape and then peel it off you will see the difference. Maybe try it on a piece of waste/scrap metal. I'm sure there must be some vids of people using it on YT
I saw one done by randomly tying string around the frame. Might have been a spray bike video come to think of it. Looked cool. Also figure a way to hang your parts to spray them. Much easier.
Here is an idea get some "avery" dots ,, Put a bunch over the white. Paint next color, more dots. Paint next color, add more dots. Paint background color. Remove all dots after. Paint clear coat. Great video btw.
Fearless! Hanging the parts off a bit of string while spay painting them, makes it a lot easier to control distance and angles. A few light coats in quick succession makes to avoid runners and to get an even coat.
Next time set up a wire from above and hang the bike from the holes in the dropouts. Keep it punk and fun. Check out some of the demo videos on their site.
Maybe you should have chosen a different base color and used either decal or pin striping tape for the highlighting. They come in quite a variety of colors. Just a thought.
'try it on a size 59 frame' alright mate its not a competition. HAHAHA. great video. love it. stumbled across the channel looking at PC build videos. sooooo glad i did! Making me want to spray my Moda more than i already do.
Hey Juliet, the beauty of spraybike is that you actually don't have to be so fastidious when prepping your frame. Below is taken from spraybike's website Prep Spray.Bike paint will adhere to most raw metal and painted surfaces without any major pre-prep. However, if painting onto a fresh-from-the-factory painted bike with a high gloss finish, rub down the frame with a very fine sandpaper or an abrasive cloth, just to give the surface a little ‘bite’ for the paint to sit on. Always ensure that all surfaces are completely clean and grease free. Any micro-film left from degreasers or cleaning products can create a barrier preventing Spray.Bike from adhering properly. A pure medical alcohol is recommended for the ultimate pre-paint cleaner - but do make sure all residue is removed with absorbent kitchen paper. I can vouch for this. Painted an old racing frame last year, just a very light sand to key the surface and cleaned off with some meths. I removed my headset too, put a loop of string through and hung it from the ceiling of my shed to paint. Makes it easy to move the frame around with one hand and just leave it hanging to dry once painted.
My bike is a mix of carbon fibre and aluminum do I need to treat the carbon fibre bits differently? Also I'd like to remove the logo on the front but how should I get it off it's like a plastic piece.
Use a chemical paint remover. Starting with any grit or sandpaper 80 and below is just a bad idea. Also, don't use rattle an paint. Get rustoleum or duracoat. Do they not have those in the UK?
Thanks for making this. I've been stripping down my first road bike to turn it into a 1x setup and wanted to change the paint but wasnt sure what paint to use or where to get it. Now I do. Waiting eagerly for the rest of your painting videos!
The design you want to do can be done BUT you need to mask it out a different way, you don't do it with a straight piece of masking tape... you would sketch it on then mask each tube separately. It's a tricky job to get right. Also don't forget to make little tabs to help you remove the masking once it's sprayed.
You can get a fine line tape that you can slightly stretch to the position you need it. You can get it at Halfords (Harris fine line tape) item number 371192.
Ok so we were gonna do our bike, or take it to local car body shop. maybe. that base color was not primer right because you left some of the old black and green on, so that acts as primer? then you do that base color then your other color? so i certainly don't have to sand all the way down to the metal, just smooth it out, then first color coat. yeah i've done this twice, once 17 years ago once 30 years ago, but want to try and do a better job this time lol, so i'm asking someone who's done it once, lol, but your first coat looks good, so i'm thinking it'll be ok. yeah nerves. thanks for helping me think i can do a better job this time,
Next time you strip a frame don’t use paper use paint-striper just put it on and leave it overnight then hoes it down the next day then do the same again until you have a clear frame best way to do it only takes a little time
Design phase: Find an image of a plainly coloured bike, cut and paste into any old graphics editor such as (35 year old) MS Paint, then flood with colours to your heart’s content.
Chemicals work better, as fnk8833 said. I know it's hard to bring yourself to go that route sometimes. I have a lot of experience painting complex curves and lining paint-lines up, because I built so many R/C aircraft for aerobatics as a young man. So, I was going to suggest you might hunt a modeller up and get some advice if you ever care to do this again. Obviously, having made this video in February you've moved on by now. What I would have done is masked an area much larger than the lines you wanted, and then cut the tape to the lines I want. It's not was easy as all that, because you don't want to cut into the primer, or other paint layers. That's the gist of it. Happy to see you fearlessly learning new talents!
Fantastic! I think your original idea could work, but instead of wrapping the tube with the tape cut strips and treat each side individually. Then where they meet cut them and leave a cream colored line down the center of the frame, could be fun, or just match each cut end up, or use the colors down that straight line later...although that's a lot of masking. I love the process!
Quick tips... do all the hard (fiddly) parts first, all the corners... then they are covered, then the big easy bits last... just enough to cover, doing it in the cold increases the chances of running paint!
You can do stripes but you need to cut your tape, use multiple peaces of tape not one wrapped. Also use a coat hanger to hang the frame or something. Your spray technique got better as you went. start moving and then spraying don't start spraying from a stopped position. Use thinner tape to do your design and then fill in with thicker tape or paper masking. Don't use regular masking tape the edges will be jagged. Of course if you want to see how the best in the world does it check out his utube channel, ETOE.
Hi rattle-can..l like your idea..your vid is fun..especially with that cat...I suggest you find a beat up frame somewhere (in a dump) and practice what you want...you'd be surprised how quick you learn..
@@JulietElliottsChannel Well, yeah. Proper safety precautions, goggles, charcoal mask, chem gloves, ventilation, etc. Stuff you should use if you're painting anything. Also, if you are cleaning paint off a steel frame, get an angle grinder with a wire wheel attachment. It's better than a sandblaster.
how about a colourfull camo job?finish is less important and there are lots of tutorials on here for using fern and various leaves as stencils. random patterns are harder to get wrong knowing when to stop is sometimes the problem.
Cut the tape diagonally, one strip per side of the bike. Then meet tge ends under the down tube, and you should be good to go with your original design.
Just tried it myself with tape just for fun lol. If you cut the ends at the bottom and top, it'll have the desired effect from the side, but the stripe will have a chevron shape on the top and bottom. I've seen tons of factory painted bikes with stripes like that (I have one actually), but may not be what you had in mind for yours.
You could mask off the meet points (the chevron join area) so viewing From the back there would be a cream seat tube, view down the frame - top of top tube would be a line of cream etc, side on the bike would be block colour in diagonal stripe the way you want and then if you wanted you could make simple blocks of your colours side to side straight where the 'chevron join' would have been. Then either join the side lines up with straight blocks or leave a little boarder around them it cream ... ? however you choose to do it it will always look good and always be fun because it's something you've created for yourself so just enjoy the process and keep smiling :)
If you're lazy like me - just get a tin of Nitromors. Cover the paint, leave it for a few hours, come back and the paint just peels off. Then just go over it with a piece of sandpaper to get any of the last bits.
I would just paint it a solid colour and use different stars or dots made from masking paper and place all over the frame ( remember to overlap some ) spray again & remove the shapes to display the colour underneath
The solvent are worse than the dust. Dust masks won't do you any good. You need pretty advanced gear for it to make any difference and you can't have a beard because the seal won't be good enough. Buy a mask from the same stores graffiti writers use. Do it outside. Regardless, one paint job won't damage you that much....
Looks fantastic . Too fantastic when it comes to bike thieves. If you can tolerate it , use an ugly flat grey or black or some other atrocious color to deter thieves . I keep my super bright flashy paint job on my mt. e bike as dirty as possible . So if thieves are around , they MAY pass my bike up for something that looks better. However , aside from my paranoia , great job on your bike . 👍
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When I painted a frame many years ago, I hung it from the garage ceiling with string to avoid touching it. You should be able to find some places inside the tubes to tie to, perhaps using a small stick stuck inside to avoid string touching where you need to paint. Or larger sticks through the bb and head tube with strings on either side of them might work.
having painted a pair of my own bikes, I know how exhausting the whole process can be. it is a clear testament of your magnetic persona that you can somehow make it entertaining to watch. my only advice would be to spend some time deciding on exactly what you want, and equally important, forgive yourself for any mistakes in design or application. fully embrace the end result. looking forward to the rest of this series!
cupeater thanks for the tip. I’ve been musing on what to do all week now. How did yours turn out?
this made me smile sooooo much Juliet...your lovely!!! been cleaning up my bike to sell today , and looking at vids to DIY service etc...and found yours..i LOVE the tiny spray booth...and then at 5:08....you say im not trying to make a show bike, just do my best and if it looks nice kool...this is exactly what ive been saying thru lock down, as ive decided im gonna weld all new sills/wheel archs on my transit...and everyone laffs....(ive only ever welded a couple of sculptures & made a wood burner) like 20yrs ago..but im gunna do it...and quote ' if it looks good its a bonus' :) i really dont have another option, as it'd be in the 1000's to have done professionally !!! sending good vibes bab *** thanks for the smiles ***
I recommend using wet and dry sandpaper final is 800 or 1200 grit for a fine Finnish. Use this with water. Hang the frame from an eyelet using a bungy hook cuts down handling.
When I did both my kids BMX and an old 531 frame I stripped them with nitromorse which is quicker than sanding - and hung frames off floor using old clothes line and a coat hanger. Really like the paint you've got - way better than auto paints I used.
I used a chemical paint stripper, which wasn't very nice but was very effective and quick, then sanded it down after, before painting my GF's bike. If you do this again, when you were misting the end of the forks that was much more the technique to guarantee a smooth surface. Distance is important. I also hung the frame up using wire attached to the tube holes inside. Hope that helps.
ONE MOAR THING. You could use string to line up the masking tape stripes.
Having sanded down several frames by hand, do yourself a favor and get a palm sander or chemical paint remover when/ if you try this again. Its way way way faster and better finish at the end. I usually sand all the way up to 2000 grit.
Sam Warren no point in buying that for one frame!
Strippered my caad 10, can of gasket stripper or 2 and you're done in an hour tops 👍🏻
Does paint thinner work?
@@Godisgr8always Nope. Only a really strong stripper as most caads are powder coated. Gasket stripper is a sure bet though and easier to apply, AND safe for aluminium, as most engine heads are aluminium. Gasket stripper, take it from someone who's been there done that 👍🏻
This is the funniest video I'd ever watched! Cheers!
You need to go to an auto body supply store and get the proper tape to mask off your frame. They have tape you can manipulate easier for design work. It's done all the time with cars. I'm sure they can give you ideas on how to approach what ever design you were thinking of.
wrap lace around the bike and then paint the different sections the different colors you want. you will still keep the light color in the darker ones, plus it will hide any imperfections of the paint job.
I used a drill and sand bit for mine then fine paper to finish. Good job
I've always used a chemical paint removal. It's easier and faster. Plus it removes every spec of paint.
problem with chemical paint removal is that its chemical. yes its quicker and easier but its not good for theenviroment and if you dont have a roperly ventilated area its not safe. also is you just sand enough so the surface is rough a couple of coats will do fine, yes the bike will be heavier because you have more paint on but its not that noticable.
@@Brurgh so is spray painting just saying. So why not just do it right
Brurgh sanding and spray painting is not good for the enviroment either
@@Brurgh The carbon dust is incredibly dangerous, a chemical agent in comparison is relatively harmless.
@@Brurgh This is kind of oblique but any harm to the environment was done the moment the product was manufactured. The idea that "every bit counts" doesn't really extend to one can of paint stripper, given that professionals use the stuff by the 20 litre pail. Maybe I'm rationalizing, I just put a whole can of it on my old Rocky Mountain. I'm going to go scrape it now. Also, I'm guessing that going all the way to bare metal is going to make a difference with an old steel frame. We'll see...
I did my own cycle 2 years ago and it was great. It was every bit as good as done by a machine but i did use expensive auto can spray and top coat lacquer sanded between two coats. ONLY thing that was a downer to it all the annealing process which I didn't do but was ignorant of and did mean after building the bike back up that cables caused the paint to slurr even though it had been done two weeks earlier.
Do you you have a sandblasting service available in the UK? It’s much faster than doing by hand. If you have a wire coat hanger you can unwind it and and fit it down the seat tube and hook it into the bottom bracket then hang the other end of the coat hanger from a hook in the ceiling! To make it even more stable take a second coat hanger and put it through the head tube and hang the frame from two points! It’ll take a little creative engineering but I think you’ll figure it out!
Mark Reams problem is, I need the tubes masked off as otherwise paint gets in
Juliet Elliott If you get overspray in the BB, your local bike shop has a tool to chase the threads and clean the pain out. The pros do this after painting a frame as well as facing the BB shell.
try hanging the frame to the top of your shed. when its suspended, you can spin it around, and manipulate it a lot easier... as for your stripes, you're gonna have to tackle it from a two-halves kind of approach. and it'll meet in the middle. so for example if you have the white frame base color, and you want a purple stripe that runs down from the top tube onto the down tube, you're gonna need four pieces of tape, minimum, to make a "Frame", what you were doing, was close, but you're gonna need individual strips that meet in the middle. of the tube (when looking down at the bike, or up at the bottom of the top tube). now that you got the frame taped off, you'll paint the middle portion that you want purple, let it dry, then remove the taped section. if you feel that this becomes a bit more complicated than you imagined, you can always go for different fades where you transition from one color into another, or maybe even splatter jobs, with blotches maybe.
The good old rattle can, love it.
Striping is best done by creating a stencil of the pattern that you want. Albeit time-consuming it should give you the result that you desire. Alternatively, you could try a different pattern by creating triangles by progressively masking them and spraying them in different colours. Usually looks better with them being of the same colour palate.
By the by were you able to complete the bike? I'm planning to do mine as well.
Yeah, I did it! I posted a video about it here
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Split the bike into thirds. Paint at 30 to 40 degree angle. Use that base colour between each colour. Do the same on the forks. But use more of the pink for example and then the demanding to at the top.
Hope that makes sense
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On the tape won’t stretch to design thing ... apply extra tape, mark w design and then trim back super carefully w exacto knife.
Your videos are so fun to watch. All the best!
I've got no time to read all these comments so someone could have already suggested it, but when you want to do stripes you should use a cross line laser to project the line you want on the bike and then mask it with multiple short pieces of tape connected.
If you want to do your stripes like you mentioned there is a product called fine line tape that custom car painters use for intricate designs like flames and scallops. It bends and flexes very easily and then you can use your other tape to make farther from the fine line tape by using small overlapping pieces of it in the more complex areas which most of the bike is due to the round tubes.
you can do one thing.. wrap the tape for 3-4 inches on the bar where you want stripes.. then with a blade cut that cross stripe as you wanted.. then remove the rest of tape except that stripe part..
Man RUclips is really liking the double 15 second ads
I've painted four frames, including custom decals and box pinstriping and one with automotive paint, so I learned a few things the hard way. First, don't listen to Joan Crawford because metal coat hangers are great - they work well for hanging parts. Make it so that the hook is at the top and you can flip the hook around without touching the frame to get at the other side for painting.
For the stripe, you'll want to wrap around the tube with a piece/collective pieces of tape that will be the total height of your stripe. Say you want a 1" wide stripe that angles up so that the highest point of the stripe (say, at the inside center of the seat tube) is 3" higher than the lowest point (say, the back center of the seat tube). You'll want to make a mask that's at least 3" wide that wraps around the seat tube. From there, you mark your stripe's top center and bottom center (you might want to use a couple pieces of tape above and below your mask and mark them with a pencil on your mask and those reference pieces so that you can align your mask exactly), peel it off without stretching it, lay the mask on sticker backing paper/wax paper, cut the stripe out, and reapply the mask using your reference marks to help align it. It may take a couple of tries to get the exact shape you want.
Thanks for the tips
A lot of comments on here about hanging the frame, all of which work. Since you unscrewed the drop-out plates, you could pass a metal coat hanger through one of these screw holes (going to the hole on the opposite drop-out too) and hang the frame that way. It's an area that will ultimately be covered, so even if the metal hanger hides a bit of base coat around the screw hole, it's ok. It's simple, much more than trying to hang from the BB shell (which you can mask off/around anyway if you did). And when you do your paint work, you can move the frame around without touching the frame itself. Looking at your video, your shed seems to have wooden beams above, you could tie rope/string around the beam (leaving a tiny bit of slack) and hook the bike hanger off of that. Or if there isn't a beam directly above dead center, why not tie rope, tightly, across two beams.
And an idea for masking off the desired design. What if first you just used wide masking tape around (not on an angle) the top tube and seat-tube. Then as you did by laying the tape across from the TT to ST, you could use that as a guide to draw the stencil shape. Then use a blade to cut along the line you've drawn, peel the outer tape, and your shape/design is done.
Car pin-striping tape (suggested by a few here already) could help in getting that smooth round join on the back of the ST, so does the stencil idea.
Camoflage pattern, the beauty is that there is no pattern, mask off random areas in random shapes, spray one colour and repeat, cream, pink, green and blue camo would look amazing,
You can use a pencil mark as a guide location for where to place tape. I've found that pinstripe tape is easier to lay out, and then you can place the blue tape over that to get clean edges. If you have clearcoat paint, spray a bit on the edge of the tape before spraying colour. What that does is prevent paint bleed into the tape edges, only the clearcoat paint bleeds, so when you later remove the tape, the paint edge lines are nice and straight. You can practice on a flat board or scrap first, if you're not sure about the technique. I use to paint motorcycles, so I leather a ton of tricks to make paint work better.
Gordon Moat thanks, that’s a great tip
Gordon Moat wait, you mean spray clears coat on the blue tape before you put in on?
@@JulietElliottsChannel Once the tape is on the frame, spray clear on before you use your colour paint.
Get a 3M vinyl masking tape. It stretches easily and it's much easier to work into a shape you need, especially if you get a fine line one so that both bottom and top edges of the stripe are nice and curvy without the chevron pattern. The space between the vinyl tape can then be filled with a normal masking tape.
You can really ride. It is amazing how fast you get to the front. You make it look effortless.
It's riding a bike... Not rocket science.
I love this facet of Julliet doing manual works. fantastic!
how did the frame hold up? I'm thinking of paining an old Chameleon that I have to refresh it and it's either this or powder coating. I'd like to do it myself but I'm scared that I'll mess it up badly and end up spending more to fix it.
Faster to use a mouse sander then finisher of by hand with wet 800 grit. Wipe down with prepsol or wax and grease remover. I do acrest spot to see ifbi get a paint reaction like wrinkling. If you do the use an isolation primer or take back to metal. I have done frames where u take oi the blasters for a plastic bead blast or a chemical strip. Pain over paint is fine if you arent covering fine detail or a weight weenie. Cant beat your own paint job.
Do a fade job. I think it will be easier for you. Also, if you haven't, I'd dip the can of paint in warm water for a few minutes before spraying. That way it comes out smoother.
I'm definitely tempted to try a fade
you can dubble tape parallel next to each other with smaller tape (real fine tape) and fill that in with anather tape or something to still get the design you wanted
use a scalpel or sharp craft knife to custom cut your tape, diagonally as JP says below
I've used paint remover and a wire brush extension for a drill and I've never had a problem. And it's quicker.
If you don't have access to an indoor paint area, then make your own with card board by making 3 sides with a covered top. Make sure you have good lighting inside to see what you're painting & if its too cold ie. below 15C, you can use a space heater. I fill a bucket with hot water & throw the cans in to let them heat up till I'm ready to use & be sure to shake them often. The paint will go on smoother & more evenly. Its the details that make the biggest difference in how well the project turns out. Sanding is the most important thing in painting paradoxically.
Its hard to imagine the colors in a design, so you need to spray some samples to see how the paint will look in real life & how they will complement each other. Same as you would paint your house, you get some samples & see how it looks on the wall. Good luck & take your time.
Montana Jones thank you
Get yourself some fine line tape for the masking, it will give you a nice clean edge when you remove it, if you use ordinary masking tape it will give a jagged edge, you will also find it much easier to use around the tubes. For any decent paint job, the preparation is critical, it's worth while taking your time.
Faro Basso this isn’t ordinary masking tape, it’s for spraying cars
@@JulietElliottsChannel The fine line tape is just used for the edge you are painting up to, so you only need to buy a narrow roll, you can then mask any larger areas with the tape you already have. If you try painting up to both different types of tape and then peel it off you will see the difference. Maybe try it on a piece of waste/scrap metal. I'm sure there must be some vids of people using it on YT
I saw one done by randomly tying string around the frame. Might have been a spray bike video come to think of it. Looked cool. Also figure a way to hang your parts to spray them. Much easier.
Here is an idea get some "avery" dots ,, Put a bunch over the white. Paint next color, more dots. Paint next color, add more dots. Paint background color. Remove all dots after. Paint clear coat. Great video btw.
erik christman nice idea.
Thank you
U could also use paint stripper instead of sandpaper
paiters use a different tape for curves ask for it at auto paint supply stores (pin stripes edge tape)
ditto.. pinstripe tape is stretchy. then use tape and plastic to mask off up to that.. much easier..
I had fun watching you guys and learned a lot, thanks for the vid.
Fearless! Hanging the parts off a bit of string while spay painting them, makes it a lot easier to control distance and angles. A few light coats in quick succession makes to avoid runners and to get an even coat.
Great stuff, looks like fun. Was thinking turning the frame upside down and sticking a broom up the seat post...
How durable is this paint? Usually rattle can paint is not very durable on a bike.
Next time set up a wire from above and hang the bike from the holes in the dropouts. Keep it punk and fun. Check out some of the demo videos on their site.
You also can make a design with the car tape. And paint over it. And peel it off. Like use the pink and purple. With the design.
Maybe you should have chosen a different base color and used either decal or pin striping tape for the highlighting. They come in quite a variety of colors. Just a thought.
I can custom cut you some vinyl designs to use as masked off elements like the decal on Dave’s fork if you like? Stick paint peel I guess
'try it on a size 59 frame' alright mate its not a competition. HAHAHA. great video. love it. stumbled across the channel looking at PC build videos. sooooo glad i did! Making me want to spray my Moda more than i already do.
When anyone sees or hears you the sun comes out for them.
Definitely not everyone but thanks for the nice comment
Really good job! Put a sticker on it,MORNING!!
That made me laugh... MORNING !! always makes me jump 😂👍👊
Oh I should try and do that!!
Hey Juliet, the beauty of spraybike is that you actually don't have to be so fastidious when prepping your frame.
Below is taken from spraybike's website
Prep
Spray.Bike paint will adhere to most raw metal and painted surfaces without any major pre-prep. However, if painting onto a fresh-from-the-factory painted bike with a high gloss finish, rub down the frame with a very fine sandpaper or an abrasive cloth, just to give the surface a little ‘bite’ for the paint to sit on.
Always ensure that all surfaces are completely clean and grease free. Any micro-film left from degreasers or cleaning products can create a barrier preventing Spray.Bike from adhering properly.
A pure medical alcohol is recommended for the ultimate pre-paint cleaner - but do make sure all residue is removed with absorbent kitchen paper.
I can vouch for this. Painted an old racing frame last year, just a very light sand to key the surface and cleaned off with some meths.
I removed my headset too, put a loop of string through and hung it from the ceiling of my shed to paint. Makes it easy to move the frame around with one hand and just leave it hanging to dry once painted.
My bike is a mix of carbon fibre and aluminum do I need to treat the carbon fibre bits differently? Also I'd like to remove the logo on the front but how should I get it off it's like a plastic piece.
See if you can hang the frame from a horizontal wire, then you can make a wire hook and move the frame around to get the parts you want...
Use a chemical paint remover. Starting with any grit or sandpaper 80 and below is just a bad idea. Also, don't use rattle an paint. Get rustoleum or duracoat. Do they not have those in the UK?
Thanks for making this. I've been stripping down my first road bike to turn it into a 1x setup and wanted to change the paint but wasnt sure what paint to use or where to get it. Now I do. Waiting eagerly for the rest of your painting videos!
The design you want to do can be done BUT you need to mask it out a different way, you don't do it with a straight piece of masking tape... you would sketch it on then mask each tube separately. It's a tricky job to get right. Also don't forget to make little tabs to help you remove the masking once it's sprayed.
I used this spray paint that adheres to metal well and I dig need to do any pre upping
Fade the pink in front then that white let that fade in to the purple. Like it's going fast.
You can get a fine line tape that you can slightly stretch to the position you need it. You can get it at Halfords (Harris fine line tape) item number 371192.
David Mcphail thanks David
What make of paint did you use for base coat and top coats
Ok so we were gonna do our bike, or take it to local car body shop. maybe. that base color was not primer right because you left some of the old black and green on, so that acts as primer? then you do that base color then your other color? so i certainly don't have to sand all the way down to the metal, just smooth it out, then first color coat. yeah i've done this twice, once 17 years ago once 30 years ago, but want to try and do a better job this time lol, so i'm asking someone who's done it once, lol, but your first coat looks good, so i'm thinking it'll be ok. yeah nerves. thanks for helping me think i can do a better job this time,
Always spray with the frame suspended. Coat hanger wire cut to length and suspended from the wooden beams I can see in that self made booth of yours ✊
I love hearing the British say "not bovvered". Cool vid btw!
I am considering doing it with Raptor like.
Do you have to sand before painting or can you just go and do paint over paint
You can just do paint over paint though a light sanding would make the outcome smoother
The fade and lace ideas are good.
borrow a laser line generator from your bike fitter and use detailing tape to mask the 'straight' lines on the curved tubes
I am assuming this is only for steel and aluminum bikes?
Next time you strip a frame don’t use paper use paint-striper just put it on and leave it overnight then hoes it down the next day then do the same again until you have a clear frame best way to do it only takes a little time
Design phase: Find an image of a plainly coloured bike, cut and paste into any old graphics editor such as (35 year old) MS Paint, then flood with colours to your heart’s content.
Wow you guys are fun to watch! Thanks so much for the Vid.
Chemicals work better, as fnk8833 said. I know it's hard to bring yourself to go that route sometimes. I have a lot of experience painting complex curves and lining paint-lines up, because I built so many R/C aircraft for aerobatics as a young man. So, I was going to suggest you might hunt a modeller up and get some advice if you ever care to do this again. Obviously, having made this video in February you've moved on by now. What I would have done is masked an area much larger than the lines you wanted, and then cut the tape to the lines I want. It's not was easy as all that, because you don't want to cut into the primer, or other paint layers. That's the gist of it. Happy to see you fearlessly learning new talents!
@4kGaming Do you know of any videos that would teach what you explained?
where did u get the paint from? :)
I’m sanding my frame in the living room!
Fantastic! I think your original idea could work, but instead of wrapping the tube with the tape cut strips and treat each side individually. Then where they meet cut them and leave a cream colored line down the center of the frame, could be fun, or just match each cut end up, or use the colors down that straight line later...although that's a lot of masking. I love the process!
2:50 Dave looking super sharp in the background.
Quick tips... do all the hard (fiddly) parts first, all the corners... then they are covered, then the big easy bits last... just enough to cover, doing it in the cold increases the chances of running paint!
You can do stripes but you need to cut your tape, use multiple peaces of tape not one wrapped. Also use a coat hanger to hang the frame or something. Your spray technique got better as you went. start moving and then spraying don't start spraying from a stopped position. Use thinner tape to do your design and then fill in with thicker tape or paper masking. Don't use regular masking tape the edges will be jagged. Of course if you want to see how the best in the world does it check out his utube channel, ETOE.
Hi rattle-can..l like your idea..your vid is fun..especially with that cat...I suggest you find a beat up frame somewhere (in a dump) and practice what you want...you'd be surprised how quick you learn..
I'd like to do that, I just wish I had somewhere to paint. My shed is full of stuff and the paint gets everywhere
1:59 I blushed ;0)
How much paint cans do you need to paint a bike
im torn- whether to use paint stripper or sandpaper?
I’d get it shot blasted if I had the cash
When removing paint from an aluminum frame, I've found that Klean Strip Premium Paint Stripper works wounders.
Matt Stroud sure, but it’s awful stuff
@@JulietElliottsChannel Well, yeah. Proper safety precautions, goggles, charcoal mask, chem gloves, ventilation, etc. Stuff you should use if you're painting anything. Also, if you are cleaning paint off a steel frame, get an angle grinder with a wire wheel attachment. It's better than a sandblaster.
Dude is that a portrait of Ozzy Osbourne on your wall at 2:48?????????
yes
how about a colourfull camo job?finish is less important and there are lots of tutorials on here for using fern and various leaves as stencils. random patterns are harder to get wrong knowing when to stop is sometimes the problem.
*2:00** now now ...*
I've been looking for a comment like this one😂😂🤣😂🤐😂🤦♂️
Cut the tape diagonally, one strip per side of the bike. Then meet tge ends under the down tube, and you should be good to go with your original design.
that actually doesn't work, I tried it
Just tried it myself with tape just for fun lol. If you cut the ends at the bottom and top, it'll have the desired effect from the side, but the stripe will have a chevron shape on the top and bottom. I've seen tons of factory painted bikes with stripes like that (I have one actually), but may not be what you had in mind for yours.
Memorizatela thanks. The problem is I don’t want the chevron-
You could mask off the meet points (the chevron join area) so viewing From the back there would be a cream seat tube, view down the frame - top of top tube would be a line of cream etc, side on the bike would be block colour in diagonal stripe the way you want and then if you wanted you could make simple blocks of your colours side to side straight where the 'chevron join' would have been. Then either join the side lines up with straight blocks or leave a little boarder around them it cream ... ? however you choose to do it it will always look good and always be fun because it's something you've created for yourself so just enjoy the process and keep smiling :)
My bike has chips in the paint. What would happen if I don't sand off the paint, just spray over it?
They'll paint over with the colour but still be visible ...
Use a paint stripper it’s a lot more efficient and less labor.
The logo of your name at the start of three video looks like it could be made into a stencil. Would look cool on the forks I reckon!
If you're lazy like me - just get a tin of Nitromors. Cover the paint, leave it for a few hours, come back and the paint just peels off. Then just go over it with a piece of sandpaper to get any of the last bits.
That’s was absolutely good and hilarious video well done!
I would just paint it a solid colour and use different stars or dots made from masking paper and place all over the frame ( remember to overlap some ) spray again & remove the shapes to display the colour underneath
Does repainting after sanding without primer would be okay ?
No
Blck Pnthr; thanks.
This is a cool DIY video, but please wear a dust mask or other type of respirator! That paint dust is *not* good for yer lungs.
The solvent are worse than the dust. Dust masks won't do you any good. You need pretty advanced gear for it to make any difference and you can't have a beard because the seal won't be good enough. Buy a mask from the same stores graffiti writers use. Do it outside. Regardless, one paint job won't damage you that much....
Looks fantastic . Too fantastic when it comes to bike thieves. If you can tolerate it , use an ugly flat grey or black or some other atrocious color to deter thieves . I keep my super bright flashy paint job on my mt. e bike as dirty as possible . So if thieves are around , they MAY pass my bike up for something that looks better.
However , aside from my paranoia , great job on your bike . 👍
I would never lock this up 👍