I always thought the 1987 remix sounded pretty good actually. "Ticket To Ride" always made me happy on that version of the album, I believe that's the first time I ever heard the song in stereo
Something I've notice that I'm curious if your ears have picked up on.... on many later pressings meaning late 60's all the way up to the 80's of Revolver, I've always noticed a slight drop off on Here There and Everywhere, when George plays the high to low guitar passage after the line, "And If She's Beside Me I Know I Need Ever Care". On the first pressings of Revolver, it stays at full volume without any drop off and shifting. All the rest of the pressings following have that drop off and phasing shift. Take a listen to it especially with headphones and let me know what you think. By the way, it's all the stereo pressings that I'm referring to.
The reason they didn't use the original stereo mixes for the 2009/2012 is documented; They didn't want to offend George Martin. But, after the releases came out Mr Martin was informed that his 1987 stereo mixes were used for the project rather than the 1965s and he replied, "My what? I don't remember remixing them in the 1980s?". Doh!
@@phillipanderson7398 That might just happen since it's officially confirmed that Revolver will be getting a remix treatment after Let It Be, then eventually Rubber Soul.
There is also 'echo' added to "Dizzy Miss Lizzy" but when George Martin was asked about it in BeatleFan magazine, denied he did add the echo, but when you compare the original or the remasters to the '87 recordings you can hear the difference! Makes ME think he was not at the controls???
The digital reverb on Dizzy Miss Lizzy is very noticable and not good at all. George Martin was getting on a bit in 1987, not really old, but old enough for his hearing to be not what it quite was in the 1960s.
I agree that the reverb in 1987 remix of the track Yesterday may help. but the mono mix of the song is the real winner. I have heard that the remastering done for the more recent DVD/ BluRay release of the movie is the best the songs have ever sounded.
Like you l like several elements of both mixes. I think the 87’ sounds more lively l guess. Compressed maybe. Never noticed the reverb difference so much until I listened to the 65’ primarily for a while and then revisited the 87’ was like, “Whoa”! ’Whereas the original mix sounds more natural and full even if a bit “wooly” in some places. Still it reaches out of the speakers sometimes. I just picked up the German Apple and can’t wait until it arrives.
I tend to feel that Paul's (Hoffner Violin Bass) lines should bop along underneath and have a nice punchy clarity - but shouldn't be overly big and bassy.
Wonder why they don't put 'stereo' or 'mono' on some of the Beatles records. P.S. wish you would turn the albums around sometimes so we can see the back , specially on unusual pressings. Great video. 🙂
Some of the late 60’s UK pressings didn’t have the mono/stereo text for some reason. And I will definitely show the front and back next time. I tend to forget to do that and I really wish I would have. Thanks for the comment!
I like ‘87 mix of the night before . The guitar sound is more prominent . On rubber soul the reverb is heard more on nowhere man. Yes I like the original and the remixes .
In uk in the 60.s only a few people had stereo players So shops didn't stock stereo.when the white album was released Inititially it was only available in stereo.....I'm 68 by the way...ta
Do you know if the 2014 red album uses 1965 or 1987 mixes? I’d imagine 1965 since it is AAA, but I’m not too sure. Still waiting for it to ship so I can hear it lol
Yeah those are definitely the original 60’s mixes because that was put together in 1973. Some of the songs got unique mixes in that as well I believe. Love the way that compilation sounds
@@BrianBringelson Awesome, can't wait to hear it! Do you know which songs got special mixes?
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What year they start to be made from digital sources? I've seen editions from 1989 (I think) and they say "digitaly mastered" and sometimes they say "DMM" pressing (also digital). Thanks!
The original 1965 master mix of The Beatles "Help" album is the best!, the most obvious difference between that & the 1987 remastered mix is the very ending of the title track?, the original '65 mix goes all the way to the very end but the '87 remastered mix actually fades out the "ooooo" vocals slightly at the very end of the song, that to me was the main difference between the original & faded out remaster cos of that slightly edited fade out of the title track, listen extremely closely to the very end of the title track & you hear the difference?, the '87 remaster of that ending ruins it over the great original '65 master,🎶☮️✌️❤️🎸🎵 God bless The Beatles.
With "Help" I prefer the UK version over the "US" version. Now with "Rubber Soul" I prefer the 'US" version way more than the "UK" version! The "Rubber Soul" from the US song choices are just more enjoyable to me! Now with "Help" are they the UK versions for the 1987 mix? UK and US versions are totally different in their song choices! You never said which one you were reviewing! Oh, I guess the US versions are referred to as the "Capital Pressings". Love your channel.
Great video as usual, Brian. Just out of curiosity, where did you get that George Martin did use DAT for the 1987 remixes? I just can't find any references anywhere. Not a single source that claims DAT was the chosen format. I have found many references that mention Martin using digital audio tape for his new mixes, but NOT the specific Sony format called Digital Audio Tape. Also, DAT was made available to professionals in 1987, BUT Martin made his new mixes in 1986 for a planned 1987 CD release if I'm not mistaken. Could you clarify this? Thanks and keep up the good work.
Hello man and thanks for your video. You recommend buying a pre-1987 Help/Rubber Soul Stereo UK pressing then? I was offered a UK1987 Rubber Soul pressing but I have the suspicion that it’s the digital remix version.
The '65 mix is such a good headphone listen when stoned. It's incredibly three-dimensional. Feels like you're almost listening in the control room. You don't notice much of a leap in sound from For Sale to Help on the original CD versions but the original mix is a massive leap forward sonically. Deep!
You missed the boat entirely as to why Help sounds like crap. George Martin did a full ADD remix. From some reason The drums and bass normally on the left are now centered on a few tracks, and the true separation is narrow. What he did to Dizzy Miss Lizzie is unforgivable. He double tracked and echo'd the vocals and it's horrible
Addicting Videos on the Beatles. My head is going to explode. Cd, vinyl, 16 bit, analogue, stereo on mono box set!! Ahh! Love it all though
I always thought the 1987 remix sounded pretty good actually. "Ticket To Ride" always made me happy on that version of the album, I believe that's the first time I ever heard the song in stereo
9:38 It must have flown there all the way from the Bahamas where the Beatles shot some of Help!
haha or the tape loops from "Tomorrow Never Knows"!
@@BrianBringelson I would have yelled at him "We aren't talking Revolver today!!"
Something I've notice that I'm curious if your ears have picked up on.... on many later pressings meaning late 60's all the way up to the 80's of Revolver, I've always noticed a slight drop off on Here There and Everywhere, when George plays the high to low guitar passage after the line, "And If She's Beside Me I Know I Need Ever Care". On the first pressings of Revolver, it stays at full volume without any drop off and shifting. All the rest of the pressings following have that drop off and phasing shift. Take a listen to it especially with headphones and let me know what you think. By the way, it's all the stereo pressings that I'm referring to.
Definitely prefer the 65 mix over the 87, agree that German pressing is very nice too. Also UK 70's pressings tend to be pretty nice
The reason they didn't use the original stereo mixes for the 2009/2012 is documented; They didn't want to offend George Martin. But, after the releases came out Mr Martin was informed that his 1987 stereo mixes were used for the project rather than the 1965s and he replied, "My what? I don't remember remixing them in the 1980s?". Doh!
Now that George Martin is dead I say give the master tapes to Giles Martin or any other good remix person to have a go at the stereo album.
@@phillipanderson7398 That might just happen since it's officially confirmed that Revolver will be getting a remix treatment after Let It Be, then eventually Rubber Soul.
There is also 'echo' added to "Dizzy Miss Lizzy" but when George Martin was asked about it in BeatleFan magazine,
denied he did add the echo, but when you compare the original or the remasters to the '87 recordings you can hear the difference!
Makes ME think he was not at the controls???
The digital reverb on Dizzy Miss Lizzy is very noticable and not good at all. George Martin was getting on a bit in 1987, not really old, but old enough for his hearing to be not what it quite was in the 1960s.
I agree that the reverb in 1987 remix of the track Yesterday may help. but the mono mix of the song is the real winner.
I have heard that the remastering done for the more recent DVD/ BluRay release of the movie is the best the songs have ever sounded.
9:38 It's not revolver It's Help!
Like you l like several elements of both mixes. I think the 87’ sounds more lively l guess. Compressed maybe. Never noticed the reverb difference so much until I listened to the 65’ primarily for a while and then revisited the 87’ was like, “Whoa”! ’Whereas the original mix sounds more natural and full even if a bit “wooly” in some places. Still it reaches out of the speakers sometimes. I just picked up the German Apple and can’t wait until it arrives.
I tend to feel that Paul's (Hoffner Violin Bass) lines should bop along underneath and have a nice punchy clarity - but shouldn't be overly big and bassy.
Wonder why they don't put 'stereo' or 'mono' on some of the Beatles records.
P.S. wish you would turn the albums around sometimes so we can see the back , specially on unusual pressings. Great video. 🙂
Some of the late 60’s UK pressings didn’t have the mono/stereo text for some reason. And I will definitely show the front and back next time. I tend to forget to do that and I really wish I would have. Thanks for the comment!
@@BrianBringelson Nice one Brian.
I like ‘87 mix of the night before . The guitar sound is more prominent . On rubber soul the reverb is heard more on nowhere man. Yes I like the original and the remixes .
Wasnt help initially only available in mono?
its always been available as mono or stereo, but the mono did become harder to find in the 70's, 80's, 90's until the box set came out.
In uk in the 60.s only a few people had stereo players
So shops didn't stock stereo.when the white album was released
Inititially it was only available in stereo.....I'm 68 by the way...ta
Was anyone else annoyed by how much reverb was added to the John Lennon remasters from 2010?
Do you know if the 2014 red album uses 1965 or 1987 mixes? I’d imagine 1965 since it is AAA, but I’m not too sure. Still waiting for it to ship so I can hear it lol
Yeah those are definitely the original 60’s mixes because that was put together in 1973. Some of the songs got unique mixes in that as well I believe. Love the way that compilation sounds
@@BrianBringelson Awesome, can't wait to hear it! Do you know which songs got special mixes?
What year they start to be made from digital sources? I've seen editions from 1989 (I think) and they say "digitaly mastered" and sometimes they say "DMM" pressing (also digital). Thanks!
The original 1965 master mix of The Beatles "Help" album is the best!, the most obvious difference between that & the 1987 remastered mix is the very ending of the title track?, the original '65 mix goes all the way to the very end but the '87 remastered mix actually fades out the "ooooo" vocals slightly at the very end of the song, that to me was the main difference between the original & faded out remaster cos of that slightly edited fade out of the title track, listen extremely closely to the very end of the title track & you hear the difference?, the '87 remaster of that ending ruins it over the great original '65 master,🎶☮️✌️❤️🎸🎵 God bless The Beatles.
With "Help" I prefer the UK version over the "US" version. Now with "Rubber Soul" I prefer the 'US" version way more than the "UK" version! The "Rubber Soul" from the US song choices are just more enjoyable to me! Now with "Help" are they the UK versions for the 1987 mix? UK and US versions are totally different in their song choices! You never said which one you were reviewing! Oh, I guess the US versions are referred to as the "Capital Pressings". Love your channel.
I like the 87 mix. Has more low end
Great video as usual, Brian.
Just out of curiosity, where did you get that George Martin did use DAT for the 1987 remixes?
I just can't find any references anywhere. Not a single source that claims DAT was the chosen format.
I have found many references that mention Martin using digital audio tape for his new mixes, but NOT the specific Sony format called Digital Audio Tape.
Also, DAT was made available to professionals in 1987, BUT Martin made his new mixes in 1986 for a planned 1987 CD release if I'm not mistaken. Could you clarify this?
Thanks and keep up the good work.
Both are better than the mono mix. With the exception of yesterday it sounds pretty bad
Hello man and thanks for your video. You recommend buying a pre-1987 Help/Rubber Soul Stereo UK pressing then? I was offered a UK1987 Rubber Soul pressing but I have the suspicion that it’s the digital remix version.
The '65 mix is such a good headphone listen when stoned. It's incredibly three-dimensional. Feels like you're almost listening in the control room. You don't notice much of a leap in sound from For Sale to Help on the original CD versions but the original mix is a massive leap forward sonically. Deep!
Help
You missed the boat entirely as to why Help sounds like crap. George Martin did a full ADD remix. From some reason The drums and bass normally on the left are now centered on a few tracks, and the true separation is narrow. What he did to Dizzy Miss Lizzie is unforgivable. He double tracked and echo'd the vocals and it's horrible