By the way, the reason why the '09 remastering team didn't use the original stereos for "Help!" and "RubberSoul" was because they were worried that it would offend Mr Martin. When George was asked about this some time after the 2009 release he said, "I don't remember remixing any Beatles albums in the 1980s?". I kid you not :).
According to George Martin, the 1965 stereo Rubber Soul was panned hard left and right with nothing in the middle to make the stereo version sound better-balanced on mono players. Anything placed centrally will automatically be louder when playing a stereo mix on a mono reproducer. It was very much an experiment that EMI could afford to do in 1965 during that stereo/mono crossover period. Most listeners in the UK had mono players... but may want to invest in a posh stereo version for the future. It was remixed in '86 to smooth off the harsh panning because many listeners were using headphones by then... including me...Hey Bobby how you doing?!
@MrSteve, thanks a lot for your comment! I find it really interesting and clarifying! Do you remember where did you get this from George Martin? Cause I'd really love to take a look at his statement and see if I can find anything more about this issue. Thanks a lot!!
The very first CD pressings of Help + Rubber Soul from Canada, pressed by Disque Americ, contained the original '65 mixes in error. Used copies can be frequently found on ebay, usually $40.00 and up. If CD is from Canada and not pressed by Disque Americ, then you get the '87 mixes.
@@BrianBringelson Type in "Beatles Disque Americ CD" on ebay, and it is usually Help and Rubber Soul that will pop up. Some years back I got both second hand for about $25.00-$30.00 each. They sound very good indeed.
Quick correction : Only the VINYL mono set was limited and has gone out of print - The CD set with the 1965 stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul is still readily available (currently $245 on Amazon).
ah ok yes thanks for clearing that up. i wonder if they are still manufacturing the mono CD box or if they just have some left over sitting in a warehouse. either way it's a shame that if you want the 1965 stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul you have to pay tons of money. thanks again for the comment.
The mono CD's should be selling individually, like the stereo mixes, but can only be purchased in the box set. There are also so many fake mononbox sets out there it's hard to know if you're getting a real one if buying online.
Yeah the mono and 65 stereo mix are way better than the 87 mix. Maybe we’ll get all of them in a future anniversary box set for rubber soul. Here’s hoping! Please apple take my money!
The Beatles are best in Mono. They spent far longer mixing in mono than they ever did stereo - which were only really done as an afterthought. Thanx for this great and informative video - definitely deserved a like 👍 Cheers 🥂
The great mystery to me is that the stereo mixes of Help and especially Rubber Soul seem a giant leap backwards when compared to the stereo mixes of A Hard Days Night and Beatles For Sale. Prefer Rubber Soul in mono to any stereo version though.
Yeah, A Hard Day's Night and Beatles for Sale sound pretty good. I think they were trying to cut corners with Rubber Soul and make a stereo mix that would fold down to mono without sounding too bad. Something like that?
Great stuff Brian! Hopefully we will be blessed with the original 1965 stereo mix when the new reissue of this amazing album comes out for Christmas. Fingers crossed. That mono box set is impossible to find now. I obtained a crappy fake version from Asia through Amazon a couple of years ago. Photocopied covers and terrible transfers. I sent it back and informed Amazon. They stopped selling it. In a way, I wish I had kept it, but it was so bad!
Definitely Going to Search the Local Secondhand Record Shops for the Beatles Mono Album on CD, I appreciate that information tremendously. I would definitely agree that the remastered versions even though "Remastered to Sound the Best on Today's Modern Equipment" doesn't give the same appeal as the Vocals and Guitar on one side of the room, the Drum and Bass on the other. Rubber Soul was probably the latest year of albums I've heard recorded in that manner originally, and that was what type of recording I was searching for when I first heard the 1965 Vinyl.
Great video but you’re not quite right about the sample rate. CDs are 16 bit 44Khz. So mixing anything higher isn’t going to get you anymore information or fidelity. So the DAT at 16bit is fine. And vinyl, though analogue, can still be converted into digital terms. Most music produced today is recorded digitally. And the convention is to use CD quality bit rate which exceeds what is necessary for good vinyl reproduction. So using the DAT from ‘87 to press the vinyl isn’t going to create any loss in quality. It’s just if you don’t like that mix you’re stuck with it.
yes you are so right. What I meant to say was that George Martins original DAT master was only a 16bit transfer. So they were creating the 09 remasters based off of a 16bit master when they could have used much higher quality.
Although the US and UK albums were different, you can get many of the 1965 mix stereo tracks on the Capitol Albums Vol. 2 set as another (yes another) alternative. For many of the US viewers this is the Rubber Soul they were familiar with here in the USA.
Capitol Records also released the George Martin 1987 stereo remix on vinyl in the USA (Cat. # CLJ-46440). This was the first time that the UK version of Rubber Soul was available in the US on vinyl.
siempre me había rondado esa duda, yo hubiera preferido que en 2009 hubieran remasterizado, el del 65, la mezcla del 87 no me agrada pero el mejoramiento sonoro con respecto al álbum original, es excelente
I like both 65 and 87 but I think the 87 stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul sounds digital. The reverb on Help it's too much, the vocals are louder than on the 65 stereo mix and with all those reverbs sounds a bit strange. On Rubber Soul the reverb is there too but not as much as on Help. I ask myself why remix Rubber Soul and left the stereo separation the same. The changes were minimal, just add the reverb and 10% of one channel on another (sounds like that for me), it doesn't make sense. In my oppinion both are better on the original 65 stereo mix. Not included these original 65 stereo mixes on the 2009 stereo remasters was a mistake to me too. Anyway, Brazilian pressings were one of the worst of the world - for an example, our stereo Rubber Soul on vinyl before 87 is fake and the equalization changes many times in the middle of the songs, it's just unbelievable - so, 65 or 87, any of them are light years better than what we had. Rubber Soul I have one 87 UK stereo pressing, one 69 US stereo pressing, one mono and one fake stereo (it's so bad that it's good!) Brazilian pressings, love them all.
I really enjoy your videos and the time you dedicate to elucidating aspects of the Beatles' catalogue. You are obviously very knowledgeable! But just to give my (sorry, lengthy) two cents... The ’87 stereo remix of Rubber Soul, as with the stereo remix of Help! that same year, corrected a lot of issues with the original ’65 stereo mix. As I’m sure you know, the stereo mixing of the Beatles’ albums was frequently a rushed affair after finishing the mono mixing, and as a result, both Rubber Soul and Help! carry artifacts like audible mic thumps, sloppy tape and tracking edits, and in the case of Rubber Soul, the awkward left-right panning without an aural center - the reason for which is expertly explained by one of MrSteve’s below comments. These issues are much more obvious through headphones, which - as MrSteve also mentions - was likely a factor while remixing in the late ‘80s and, of course, would be even more relevant today. In my opinion, Sir George actually did not go far enough in his remixing of Rubber Soul in terms of at least shifting vocals to the center for all songs. However, due to a song’s specific mix, this might not have been possible to adjust at the time. With modern technology, spectral digital remixing could break that barrier by fully separating the lead vocals. The reverb is controversial. It was also a corrective move; it enhances some of the softer reverb that was applied to many songs on both albums via analog means in 1965, and its weightier decay helps to mask some of the mistakes noticeable in the original stereo mixes. To me, the original stereo mixes also sound quite flat without it, but this is primarily a judgment of hearing these albums through small-scale digital stereo systems. Listening to original stereo pressings of Help! and Rubber Soul on a turntable (both of which I have done), the inherently perfect sonic nature of analog naturally beefs up the recordings in a way that a computer or phone can never do - hence a “flatness” that is revealed by digital technology. I have always thought that the use of 80s-era digital reverb was an almost sacrilegious move, but what are we then to do? The only solution would be to return to the masters, mimic the Fifth Beatle's 1987 corrections further, and perhaps recreate his reverb approach with mid-60s analog reverb technology. The Sgt. Pepper remix from a few years back was both corrective and progressive in this way and was a huge improvement on the original '67 stereo mix. Keep these videos comin' - I dig 'em.
Ah man being a millennial the 1987 stereo mix was how I was introduced to the album - especially the 2009 remasters. Ive always thought the remasters breathed new life compared to the older stereo CDs.
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NOW on Ebay are selling the "hot" version (it says "Loud cut"), if anyone want it... I just try to help. Greetings!
I did not hear any mention of the 1965 original UK mastering nick named the " loud cut". It was not very good and was soon scrapped for a few re-cuts. Apparently the cutting we have in Australian pre 1987 vinyl is the notorious -1/-1 Matrix cut. ps, I am looking forward to some of the earlier Beatles albums being remixed from the original master tapes ( of not just Rubber Soul but Revolver and A Hard Day's Night which at the moment I prefer in mono but can definately be improved. Although George Martin had some reason to remix the Rubber Soul album because it had a hole in the middle I don't think he had any such reason to remix the UK Help! album.
I really prefer the US version over the UK version. Just seems to have a superior song flow and structure, I just prefer the song choice and order on this release. I love the "False Start" on "I'm Looking Through You"? This was only on the US release, I know it was a mistake that got passed over, but I prefer it really. I know it's on the Capitol box set, of course.
Very important to understand that historically the Capitol Records version of Rubber Soul was the record listened to in the USA - teenagers, college students, Brian Wilson. Listening to the UK version would be similar to asking people of today to listen the BBC version of Vietnam war coverage.
Most home replay gear wasn't keeping up with what The Beatles were doing in the studio. My father had a Ferguson stereo turntable. Not fantastic, but at least it was stereo. Beatles for Sale was regularly on and sounded great.
I have the very same set you have on CD. I wanted the box set not only that you get these beautiful mini lps and the mono sound, but to also hear the 1965 stereo mixes of Help And Rubber Soul. I got mine in 2010, a year after its release. I completely agree with you on the 65 stereo mix. It is very frustrating that all you can get is the 1987 remixes. I'm just not a big fan of remixes. The original stereo mixes are great to my ears despite the fact that they were limited to only 4 tracks and this is what they had to come up with for the stereo mix to both albums. They made do back in the day.
I looked up mine and it say 88’ purple lable, sound great it’s just that the vocals are to the left, I want great sound and vocals from both sides, not just right side, any help on which one I need is appreciated😎🤘
What you say about the '65 mix isn't strictly correct. All tracks have instruments on both left & right channels. Vocals appear predominantly on the right, for most tracks, but some tracks do have some vocals on both right & left channels. Have a listen. I'd have preferred the hard panning of all instruments on left, and all vocals on right, as in Please Please Me & With The Beatles. Prefer those to the mono mixes.
Hey Brian, I just found your RUclips channel and have been listening to your info on the Beatles albums. I'm 70, retired musician, recording engineer, singer/song writer, and myself and my band have released 3 albums from 1999 to 2006 that are on RUclips (audio only) I love listening to good music and the Beatles are still my favorite group ever. I've really enjoyed listening to you and a lot of info on the Beatles albums that I didn't know about especially about the albums. I'll be watching more. Great job 👏 👍 Howeve I did notice that during this video you made a comment about cd bitrate being 24 bits. While it is true that you can buy scds (super cd) in 24 bit. The industry standard is 16 bit. If one wants a 24 bit cd they will need to really check out what their buying or they will get a standard cd which is 1,411kbps at 16 bits. Just sayin 🙂 any way, like your videos! And if you want to listen to our all original songs or see if I'm just blowing wind about my music you can find us here and even listen to all our songs for free (no downloads). www.verdigrisband.com. I am not trying to sell anything and I hope I haven't broken any rules. Again, I enjoy your videos. Thanks Quick update. I found your website and listened to your band and your wifes album that you posted recently. Really great music guys. I really like it. I've only just got started with your stuff, but just wanted to let you know that I'm diggin it 😎
Mike Hughey ah yes you are so right. What I meant to say was that George Martins original DAT master was only a 16bit transfer. So they were creating the 09 remasters based off of a 16bit master when they could have used much higher quality. I then jumbled it all up with a weird explanation of CDs and 16/24 bit. But yes you are 100% correct. By the way I love SACDs. Thanks for the comment!
I am glad I bought the original stereo mix of Rubber Soul on vinyl in about 1985. It's a German pressing with the green Odeon label. It has a great powerful sound (more powerful than my Parlophone-labelled Revolver album). By the way: It's simple to find out which mix you have. In the 1965 mix, there is a thump during the instrumental break of Run For Your Life (sounds like someone hitting a microphone). In the 1987 mix, George Martin removed this (I still wonder how).
By risking to sound heretic, Rubber Soul's 1965 stereo version is still my favorite! Love to pan all the way to the right or left channel, or simply play the stereo balance where the mood suits me, so I can readily mix a live version to aural pleasure hearing mostly voices, percussion, or guitars more clearly on any combination. Or make virtually instrumental versions. It's like an instant made to order special mix! Find that I can easily enjoy alternate readings of this album this way, and feel compelled to replay it all over again! The 2014 US cardboard sleeve CD has both mono and also the 1965 mix, plus the false start I'm Looking Through You (2 :31). Just omit I've Just Seen a Face and It's Only Love, and add the stereo versions of Drive My Car, Nowhere Man, What Goes On, and If I Needed Someone from the Yesterday and Today 2014 CD and you got it.
I went back and listen to the 65 mixes on the mono cds for Rubber Soul and Help. I found the Rubber Soul ones sounding good but hard panned on the vocals but the Help ones were mixed much better. My vote goes for Help for the better mix. Opinions. Great informative video. Keep up the good work.
OK -- I need to hear the 87 remixes for a college essay and there is not one on the RUclips anywhere - so put one up already, stop talking and let CD do the walking....
davesexgang the 87 mix is the same one used on the 2009 remasters, so other than a bit of boosted mastering, they are the same mix. In all honesty the original 65 mix is the harder one to get a hold of.
It's so bizarre. LIke they just started doing stuff without thinking about what they were actually doing. Probably about squeezing some more out of The Beatles cash cow. It's not rocket science. Every reissue should come from the original master...warts and all. Period. Not some dodgy remaster on DAT or CD from the 80's. IMO digital looses the warmth of original recordings. However the original tapes must deteriorating to some degree making reissuing a tricky proposition.
Can’t stand the original Rubber Soul mix. Sounds absolutely dreadful. Stupid given the centered vocals of the previous three albums and most of Revolver, so I for one couldn’t be happier that the remix exists. The instruments and vocals on the original stereo just sound so absurdly thin that it sucks out the enjoyment massively.
Hey Brian Only recently started watching your channel. Pretty informative and somewhat entertaining, but have you sold all your furniture (except the liquor cabinet) to buy records? You carpet is gross.
By the way, the reason why the '09 remastering team didn't use the original stereos for "Help!" and "RubberSoul" was because they were worried that it would offend Mr Martin. When George was asked about this some time after the 2009 release he said, "I don't remember remixing any Beatles albums in the 1980s?". I kid you not :).
So if Martin didn't do the 80's mix who did?
@@third.act.countdown Martin did it, he just forgot, probably getting a little old by then..
@@sethallison5682 got ya
According to George Martin, the 1965 stereo Rubber Soul was panned hard left and right with nothing in the middle to make the stereo version sound better-balanced on mono players. Anything placed centrally will automatically be louder when playing a stereo mix on a mono reproducer. It was very much an experiment that EMI could afford to do in 1965 during that stereo/mono crossover period. Most listeners in the UK had mono players... but may want to invest in a posh stereo version for the future. It was remixed in '86 to smooth off the harsh panning because many listeners were using headphones by then... including me...Hey Bobby how you doing?!
Pro tip : you can watch series on Flixzone. I've been using them for watching loads of movies during the lockdown.
@Westley Titan yup, have been watching on flixzone for months myself =)
@MrSteve, thanks a lot for your comment! I find it really interesting and clarifying! Do you remember where did you get this from George Martin? Cause I'd really love to take a look at his statement and see if I can find anything more about this issue. Thanks a lot!!
@Westley Titan They caught u in Reddit bot
The very first CD pressings of Help + Rubber Soul from Canada, pressed by Disque Americ, contained the original '65 mixes in error. Used copies can be frequently found on ebay, usually $40.00 and up. If CD is from Canada and not pressed by Disque Americ, then you get the '87 mixes.
hootenhtn wow didn’t know that. I wonder what master they were able to get their hands on? Prob a Canadian 3rd or 4tb generation.
@@BrianBringelson Type in "Beatles Disque Americ CD" on ebay, and it is usually Help and Rubber Soul that will pop up. Some years back I got both second hand for about $25.00-$30.00 each. They sound very good indeed.
Quick correction : Only the VINYL mono set was limited and has gone out of print - The CD set with the 1965 stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul is still readily available (currently $245 on Amazon).
ah ok yes thanks for clearing that up. i wonder if they are still manufacturing the mono CD box or if they just have some left over sitting in a warehouse. either way it's a shame that if you want the 1965 stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul you have to pay tons of money. thanks again for the comment.
The mono CD's should be selling individually, like the stereo mixes, but can only be purchased in the box set. There are also so many fake mononbox sets out there it's hard to know if you're getting a real one if buying online.
Yeah the mono and 65 stereo mix are way better than the 87 mix. Maybe we’ll get all of them in a future anniversary box set for rubber soul. Here’s hoping! Please apple take my money!
The Beatles are best in Mono. They spent far longer mixing in mono than they ever did stereo - which were only really done as an afterthought. Thanx for this great and informative video - definitely deserved a like 👍 Cheers 🥂
The great mystery to me is that the stereo mixes of Help and especially Rubber Soul seem a giant leap backwards when compared to the stereo mixes of A Hard Days Night and Beatles For Sale. Prefer Rubber Soul in mono to any stereo version though.
Yeah, A Hard Day's Night and Beatles for Sale sound pretty good. I think they were trying to cut corners with Rubber Soul and make a stereo mix that would fold down to mono without sounding too bad. Something like that?
Great stuff Brian! Hopefully we will be blessed with the original 1965 stereo mix when the new reissue of this amazing album comes out for Christmas. Fingers crossed. That mono box set is impossible to find now. I obtained a crappy fake version from Asia through Amazon a couple of years ago. Photocopied covers and terrible transfers. I sent it back and informed Amazon. They stopped selling it. In a way, I wish I had kept it, but it was so bad!
Definitely Going to Search the Local Secondhand Record Shops for the Beatles Mono Album on CD, I appreciate that information tremendously. I would definitely agree that the remastered versions even though "Remastered to Sound the Best on Today's Modern Equipment" doesn't give the same appeal as the Vocals and Guitar on one side of the room, the Drum and Bass on the other. Rubber Soul was probably the latest year of albums I've heard recorded in that manner originally, and that was what type of recording I was searching for when I first heard the 1965 Vinyl.
So the possibility of a rubber soul remix set has a great opportunity. To have that original 65 stereo mix on it! Don’t mess this up Apple 🍏
Great video but you’re not quite right about the sample rate. CDs are 16 bit 44Khz. So mixing anything higher isn’t going to get you anymore information or fidelity. So the DAT at 16bit is fine. And vinyl, though analogue, can still be converted into digital terms. Most music produced today is recorded digitally. And the convention is to use CD quality bit rate which exceeds what is necessary for good vinyl reproduction. So using the DAT from ‘87 to press the vinyl isn’t going to create any loss in quality. It’s just if you don’t like that mix you’re stuck with it.
yes you are so right. What I meant to say was that George Martins original DAT master was only a 16bit transfer. So they were creating the 09 remasters based off of a 16bit master when they could have used much higher quality.
Although the US and UK albums were different, you can get many of the 1965 mix stereo tracks on the Capitol Albums Vol. 2 set as another (yes another) alternative. For many of the US viewers this is the Rubber Soul they were familiar with here in the USA.
Phillip Pope yes excellent point. The Capitol Albums Vol 1 & 2 have (in my opinion) great sound quality as well.
Capitol Records also released the George Martin 1987 stereo remix on vinyl in the USA (Cat. # CLJ-46440). This was the first time that the UK version of Rubber Soul was available in the US on vinyl.
siempre me había rondado esa duda, yo hubiera preferido que en 2009 hubieran remasterizado, el del 65, la mezcla del 87 no me agrada pero el mejoramiento sonoro con respecto al álbum original, es excelente
I like both 65 and 87 but I think the 87 stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul sounds digital. The reverb on Help it's too much, the vocals are louder than on the 65 stereo mix and with all those reverbs sounds a bit strange. On Rubber Soul the reverb is there too but not as much as on Help. I ask myself why remix Rubber Soul and left the stereo separation the same. The changes were minimal, just add the reverb and 10% of one channel on another (sounds like that for me), it doesn't make sense. In my oppinion both are better on the original 65 stereo mix. Not included these original 65 stereo mixes on the 2009 stereo remasters was a mistake to me too. Anyway, Brazilian pressings were one of the worst of the world - for an example, our stereo Rubber Soul on vinyl before 87 is fake and the equalization changes many times in the middle of the songs, it's just unbelievable - so, 65 or 87, any of them are light years better than what we had. Rubber Soul I have one 87 UK stereo pressing, one 69 US stereo pressing, one mono and one fake stereo (it's so bad that it's good!) Brazilian pressings, love them all.
They’re all good.
I really enjoy your videos and the time you dedicate to elucidating aspects of the Beatles' catalogue. You are obviously very knowledgeable! But just to give my (sorry, lengthy) two cents...
The ’87 stereo remix of Rubber Soul, as with the stereo remix of Help! that same year, corrected a lot of issues with the original ’65 stereo mix. As I’m sure you know, the stereo mixing of the Beatles’ albums was frequently a rushed affair after finishing the mono mixing, and as a result, both Rubber Soul and Help! carry artifacts like audible mic thumps, sloppy tape and tracking edits, and in the case of Rubber Soul, the awkward left-right panning without an aural center - the reason for which is expertly explained by one of MrSteve’s below comments. These issues are much more obvious through headphones, which - as MrSteve also mentions - was likely a factor while remixing in the late ‘80s and, of course, would be even more relevant today. In my opinion, Sir George actually did not go far enough in his remixing of Rubber Soul in terms of at least shifting vocals to the center for all songs. However, due to a song’s specific mix, this might not have been possible to adjust at the time. With modern technology, spectral digital remixing could break that barrier by fully separating the lead vocals.
The reverb is controversial. It was also a corrective move; it enhances some of the softer reverb that was applied to many songs on both albums via analog means in 1965, and its weightier decay helps to mask some of the mistakes noticeable in the original stereo mixes. To me, the original stereo mixes also sound quite flat without it, but this is primarily a judgment of hearing these albums through small-scale digital stereo systems. Listening to original stereo pressings of Help! and Rubber Soul on a turntable (both of which I have done), the inherently perfect sonic nature of analog naturally beefs up the recordings in a way that a computer or phone can never do - hence a “flatness” that is revealed by digital technology. I have always thought that the use of 80s-era digital reverb was an almost sacrilegious move, but what are we then to do? The only solution would be to return to the masters, mimic the Fifth Beatle's 1987 corrections further, and perhaps recreate his reverb approach with mid-60s analog reverb technology.
The Sgt. Pepper remix from a few years back was both corrective and progressive in this way and was a huge improvement on the original '67 stereo mix.
Keep these videos comin' - I dig 'em.
Ah man being a millennial the 1987 stereo mix was how I was introduced to the album - especially the 2009 remasters. Ive always thought the remasters breathed new life compared to the older stereo CDs.
NOW on Ebay are selling the "hot" version (it says "Loud cut"), if anyone want it... I just try to help. Greetings!
I did not hear any mention of the 1965 original UK mastering nick named the " loud cut". It was not very good and was soon scrapped for a few re-cuts.
Apparently the cutting we have in Australian pre 1987 vinyl is the notorious -1/-1 Matrix cut.
ps, I am looking forward to some of the earlier Beatles albums being remixed from the original master tapes ( of not just Rubber Soul but Revolver and A Hard Day's Night which at the moment I prefer in mono but can definately be improved. Although George Martin had some reason to remix the Rubber Soul album because it had a hole in the middle I don't think he had any such reason to remix the UK Help! album.
what about those mono lp's that came out in 2014 or around that time?? I have the 65, the 87 and the recent mono LP .
I really prefer the US version over the UK version. Just seems to have a superior song flow and structure, I just prefer the song choice and order on this release. I love the "False Start" on "I'm Looking Through You"? This was only on the US release, I know it was a mistake that got passed over, but I prefer it really. I know it's on the Capitol box set, of course.
Very important to understand that historically the Capitol Records version of Rubber Soul was the record listened to in the USA - teenagers, college students, Brian Wilson. Listening to the UK version would be similar to asking people of today to listen the BBC version of Vietnam war coverage.
Can you make a video comparing the 65 and 87 mixes for Help! ?
I like the 2009 remaster. The songs have more air to breathe. Plus think for yourself sounds bigger than the original 65 mix
Most home replay gear wasn't keeping up with what The Beatles were doing in the studio. My father had a Ferguson stereo turntable. Not fantastic, but at least it was stereo. Beatles for Sale was regularly on and sounded great.
I have the very same set you have on CD. I wanted the box set not only that you get these beautiful mini lps and the mono sound, but to also hear the 1965 stereo mixes of Help And Rubber Soul. I got mine in 2010, a year after its release. I completely agree with you on the 65 stereo mix. It is very frustrating that all you can get is the 1987 remixes. I'm just not a big fan of remixes. The original stereo mixes are great to my ears despite the fact that they were limited to only 4 tracks and this is what they had to come up with for the stereo mix to both albums. They made do back in the day.
I looked up mine and it say 88’ purple lable, sound great it’s just that the vocals are to the left, I want great sound and vocals from both sides, not just right side, any help on which one I need is appreciated😎🤘
What you say about the '65 mix isn't strictly correct. All tracks have instruments on both left & right channels. Vocals appear predominantly on the right, for most tracks, but some tracks do have some vocals on both right & left channels. Have a listen. I'd have preferred the hard panning of all instruments on left, and all vocals on right, as in Please Please Me & With The Beatles. Prefer those to the mono mixes.
I can’t find these even on RUclips so I bought a cassette of the 87 mix
Hey Brian, I just found your RUclips channel and have been listening to your info on the Beatles albums. I'm 70, retired musician, recording engineer, singer/song writer, and myself and my band have released 3 albums from 1999 to 2006 that are on RUclips (audio only) I love listening to good music and the Beatles are still my favorite group ever. I've really enjoyed listening to you and a lot of info on the Beatles albums that I didn't know about especially about the albums. I'll be watching more. Great job 👏 👍
Howeve I did notice that during this video you made a comment about cd bitrate being 24 bits. While it is true that you can buy scds (super cd) in 24 bit. The industry standard is 16 bit. If one wants a 24 bit cd they will need to really check out what their buying or they will get a standard cd which is 1,411kbps at 16 bits. Just sayin 🙂 any way, like your videos! And if you want to listen to our all original songs or see if I'm just blowing wind about my music you can find us here and even listen to all our songs for free (no downloads). www.verdigrisband.com. I am not trying to sell anything and I hope I haven't broken any rules. Again, I enjoy your videos. Thanks
Quick update. I found your website and listened to your band and your wifes album that you posted recently. Really great music guys. I really like it. I've only just got started with your stuff, but just wanted to let you know that I'm diggin it 😎
Mike Hughey ah yes you are so right. What I meant to say was that George Martins original DAT master was only a 16bit transfer. So they were creating the 09 remasters based off of a 16bit master when they could have used much higher quality. I then jumbled it all up with a weird explanation of CDs and 16/24 bit. But yes you are 100% correct. By the way I love SACDs. Thanks for the comment!
Do you have a video about mono versions of Rubber Soul? Can't find it
I am glad I bought the original stereo mix of Rubber Soul on vinyl in about 1985. It's a German pressing with the green Odeon label. It has a great powerful sound (more powerful than my Parlophone-labelled Revolver album). By the way: It's simple to find out which mix you have. In the 1965 mix, there is a thump during the instrumental break of Run For Your Life (sounds like someone hitting a microphone). In the 1987 mix, George Martin removed this (I still wonder how).
By risking to sound heretic, Rubber Soul's 1965 stereo version is still my favorite!
Love to pan all the way to the right or left channel, or simply play the stereo balance where the mood suits me, so I can readily mix a live version to aural pleasure hearing mostly voices, percussion, or guitars more clearly on any combination.
Or make virtually instrumental versions.
It's like an instant made to order special mix!
Find that I can easily enjoy alternate readings of this album this way, and feel compelled to replay it all over again!
The 2014 US cardboard sleeve CD has both mono and also the 1965 mix, plus the false start I'm Looking Through You (2 :31).
Just omit I've Just Seen a Face and It's Only Love, and add the stereo versions of Drive My Car, Nowhere Man, What Goes On, and If I Needed Someone from the Yesterday and Today 2014 CD and you got it.
I hear your well pump.
World famous
I went back and listen to the 65 mixes on the mono cds for Rubber Soul and Help. I found the Rubber Soul ones sounding good but hard panned on the vocals but the Help ones were mixed much better. My vote goes for Help for the better mix. Opinions. Great informative video. Keep up the good work.
Update: All things Must Pass Box Set
So I have a capitol rubber soul print with the tan lettering on the title on cd.. is that the 87 re-mix?
I only listen to Rubber Soul one way: in Mono.
they didn't do much bouncing on RS at all, the only track bounced down to a second generation four track tape was Michelle
OK -- I need to hear the 87 remixes for a college essay and there is not one on the RUclips anywhere - so put one up already, stop talking and let CD do the walking....
davesexgang the 87 mix is the same one used on the 2009 remasters, so other than a bit of boosted mastering, they are the same mix. In all honesty the original 65 mix is the harder one to get a hold of.
It's so bizarre. LIke they just started doing stuff without thinking about what they were actually doing. Probably about squeezing some more out of The Beatles cash cow. It's not rocket science. Every reissue should come from the original master...warts and all. Period. Not some dodgy remaster on DAT or CD from the 80's. IMO digital looses the warmth of original recordings. However the original tapes must deteriorating to some degree making reissuing a tricky proposition.
John Lennon update: plastic ono band 50th anniversary book available for preorder. Album details coming soon...
Greg Cristy oh man can’t wait! I saw that the book comes out in the US early Oct.
Can’t stand the original Rubber Soul mix. Sounds absolutely dreadful. Stupid given the centered vocals of the previous three albums and most of Revolver, so I for one couldn’t be happier that the remix exists. The instruments and vocals on the original stereo just sound so absurdly thin that it sucks out the enjoyment massively.
Hey Brian
Only recently started watching your channel. Pretty informative and somewhat entertaining, but have you sold all your furniture (except the liquor cabinet) to buy records? You carpet is gross.
Tony Willans I’m assuming this is some sad attempt at humor.