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- Опубликовано: 15 мар 2024
- The notion that China does not see India as a rival is nonsensical, argues Sumit Ganguly, Professor of Political Science at the Indiana University in Bloomington, who has co-authored a book titled ‘Sino-Indian Rivalry’. Speaking to StratNews Global Editor-in-Chief Nitin A. Gokhale on ‘The Gist’, Prof. Ganguly said China is increasingly concerned about Indian growing closeness to the United States and that the India-China and US-China rivalries have become interconnected. Security analyst Major General Dipankar Banerjee (Retd) who was also part of the discussion was of the view that although India’s infrastructure along the boundary with China has got a significant boost, the China challenge will remain so India needs to be prepared in multifarious dimensions.
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Indian is not qualified at moment for a rivalry with China. Being a rivarlry needs economic power and military capabilities.
That doesn’t give a right and walk over to china .. they wont .. i know you would probably say with confidence that china is too advanced and strong for india.. there are way too many factors and there wont be a large scale outright war without global implications.. on battles for this silky dispute , china will be challenged seriously .. even considering a limited war and even with greater *numbers* in all respects .. preconceived notions ate bad for thinking minds .. is that a Chinese proverb?
The saying “…there’s no cure for jealousy…”.
So true!
Just eat more chapati
@@Tampin111garlic naan is my favourite
@@Tampin111
Or eat more religion. 😂
@@Anonymous------ I want chapati, Naan. Tandoori, Vadai now
@@Tampin111
India only needs religion and chapati, no toilets and clean water needed.
There is no rivalry between China and IIndia, it is all in India's mind.
Yep. No rivalry. India is so far far way way behind China in everything
It’s funny, you say that. Nobody in India cared about China before Galwan, trust me. There is no jealousy at all because if today China’s is high in GDP, that is admirable, and Indians are humble and willing to give credit where it is due..but what people hate is China’s utter duplicity and expansionist policy. Also know that things change (chest thumping of being ahead is silly) and India will in the top three soon, and may match China in 15-20 years. Because of ageing, China won’t grow like this forever. Being ahead doesn’t mean that China’s duplicity will not be challenged by righteousness countries.
@@kris100135
While democratic India with its incompetent corrupted politicians is busy boasting and fantasizing about becoming world's number 1 nation, China is quietly zooming ahead and leaving India far behind in the dust. 😂
India needs to surpass Africa first.
@@kris100135 Werent Indians screeching about Super power in 2020? You dont even have electricity in majority of ur cities... lol fix urself first and ur horrid reputation worldwide.
@@kris100135there are several indian movies abt 1962 “war” compared to 2-3 sentences about 1962 “border skirmish” in chinese textbooks 😂
India is trying too hard to present itself as an alternative in a pretentious competition with China. Too bad. Just couldn’t live up to the game.
Dear Indian friends! The Chinese friends in my social group in China, Asia, and the United States have never mentioned or considered India as a rival in their conversations.
The only thing I have heard is that the Chinese can not trust India in business engagement…….. It has been a terrible experience for many people to conduct business in India.
India-China rivalry only been talked by Indian and Indian media only, China never, because China never see India as their competitor, thats the ugly truth.
John Mearschimer: The 3 Superpowers are US, China, Russia
Palki: 👿
Palki: What about India
Mearschimer : Oh... Cool down Palki.... India is an aspiring Superpower...
in other word a wannabe
I'm an aspiring superpower too.
@@tonyatgoogle6076 Hopefully with a working toilet at home.
Only in Bollywood movies
@@tonyatgoogle6076
I'm an aspiring zillionaire, right now I already have two cents in my bank account. Elon Musk is my rival but I will be the winner. 😂
Just go and visit a big city in China, and you will know how far back is India. Just go.
India is comfortable and very good at serving the Anglo Saxons. They should stick to that.
India-China rivalry? Huawei right now is making 5 nm semiconductor chips, while India can only make 5mm potato chips.
I don't even want to eat 5mm potato chips made by Indian, it may make me shit!!! hahaha.......!
To insult , to demean India won't change the reality . The reality is this that India is far far ahead than expected .
@@arunpanat8157 What happened to India becoming a superpower in 2020. Talking and bragging about it won't help because at the end of the day, it's just a masturbatory fantasy where Indian nationalists sit in a circle and jerk each other off.
@@arunpanat8157look at China's most advanced manufacturing capability and compare it to India's most advanced manufacturing capability do you really believe that?
Far Far Far ahead?
Which Bollywood movie?
Or your dreams?
There's no India China rivalry bcos India is too far behind China in almost every sphere of development.
How many mega bridges did INDIA built ??
@@henryneoch7366Why are you asking this question when they can't even build enough toilets? 😂
Absolutely agree
There's no rivalry and no competition
India is so far far way way behind China in everything
Just imagine, till today they still struggling to build enough toilets
@@harrylo2316China cannot do what India can; building toddy joints. 😂😂😂😂
they don't even have enough toilet paper too!! they r using Hans after. haha.......@@user-cc8cz2fx1v
There is no one more obsessed with the Chinese than the Indians. Just about every Indian RUclipsr talks about the Chinese. As an American, it’s beginning to look silly. I have watched vlog travelers to China and to India…there is no competition. Having said that, I do want the Indians to live a more prosperous life.
As an Indian, no one cares about your opinion. Also, there is one entity the most obsessed with China. And that is America
Very well put my friend. The indians talk about china like they are the jilted gf, non stop bashing china and how india is on the way up and all those garbage. And mean while china isnt talking about india and pay no attention to what india does and just focus on what china needs to do. The indians think too highly of themself. Maybe they will get there one day( on par with china, but the day is not today, not this year, and not the end of this decade!😂😂
In your own word. The India boarder is according to British colonial history. Why should China care about British colonial boarder?
China doesn't accept the border marked by the British imperialists.
This is why the border dispute needs to be settled through negotiations.
@@arunpanat8157 don't then.
@@tonyatgoogle6076We won’t and we are standing against China wherever they try to push their agenda and let’s see if China is just going to just keep talking about it or do they have the guts to do something about it 😂 so far it’s been a whole lot of empty talk from China 😂
We also don't care China .
@@arunpanat8157lol yall dont care but keep talking about china. Man, we aint stupid but u are a damn fool. 😂😂
No one talks about India in China, but India talks about China all the time, beating China or catching up with China or leading China for decades. LOL.
India is suffering from a major inferority complex ❤
India's media is having a field day harping about China all the time. The good, the bad and the ugly!!
India overestimates it's strength behaves more strongr than what actually you are
@@user-og7rs2sq8u they are having a Nationalist govt, Akhand Vharat plan on mind, to capture ancient lands, They call Beijing as Bajunagar, Australia as Astralaya etc.
@@thinktank8471 for a benevolent government like CCP who believes in policy of live and let live, they sure make it a point to remind us that the the region illegally occupied by India is actually named Zangnam and not Arunachal Pradesh! What a massive delusion the people in those region must be living in to submit to the Indian democratic process of elections, fly the Indian flag, and proudly sing the Indian national anthem without coercion. How dare they feel themselves free? Bless the CCP! Now they have released a list of 30 geographical entities of the same region with the original historically accurate Chinese names, just as the way it should be. Salted salami slices, anyone? It is a Chinese delicacy.
India-China rivalry? Nonsense. Why are Indians obsessed with talking about the "India-China rivalry?" From the Chinese perspective: China's rivalry is not with India, China's rivalry is with the US. China and India are great civilizations and belong to the Global South of anti-imperialism and anti-colonialism camps. Working out our differences and being good neighbors is in both countries' best interests. 😛
Maybe you should mention this to the CCP which seems to be unaware of this fact. And this is evidenced its constant efforts to undermine India's quest to rise peacefully.
Problem isn't with China but it's ruling CCP and it's narcissistic leadership under Xi. The very survival of party depends upon evoking & sustaining ultra-nationalism for which it must construct a big enemy and show it can challenge that enemy
@@user-er8yt9jk5q😂India is a great power chauvinism, annexed Sikkim to control Nepal and Pakistan three wars, annexed Bangladesh, attacked Sri Lanka, encroached on the Chinese border, I just ran into the hard bone of China
@@user-hc9oi2fc1m whatever. China should stop poking India or India will have to intervene and liberate Tibet.
Ccp has power to stop expansionist ambition, so is evil in eyes of india
For friends in India, China started to open and reform in 1978. At that time Chinese per capita was 5 cents a day while India's was on $2 a day. And now China is $12000 a year. And China these days is totally and completely preoccupied with the goal to attain $20000 by 2030 and $30000-40000 by 2040, with the overall view to achieve $50000-60000 by 2049. And anything else will be by the way, to facilitate this goal to attain Developed status by 2049. It took China 8 very painful years to build the Nanjing Yangtze River bridge in 1968. But now, China leads the world by far on infrastructures. And no one is even close these days. Now China pioneers on 4th generation nuclear power plants, as well as the first nuke powered container ship. On defence, when India deployed 200000 troops on the border south of the lake few years ago, China only stationed 2-3 border brigades. A leader has to have the ability to deescalate and defuse tensions and hostilities when needed while being prepared to respond appropriately. These days the biggest dilemma of US defence specialists is not the aircraft carrier killers or the stealth nuke powered submarines. They are scratching their heads because a war against China will abruptly end after few weeks if very lucky. Or otherwise only days when supply runs out. Specialists in UK concur on the same conclusion. According to US experts China is building 200 times more navy vessels than the US every year right now. And if the US wishes, China can oblige to increase these to 500-1000 times. China is most definitely racing against China only. There is no one else, even close.
Very well said. 👍
Absolutely right
5 cents a day????
misplaced decimal point somewhere?
from globaltimes:
A group of figures stood out from Chinese Premier Li Keqiang's remarks at an annual press conference on Thursday as offering a sobering reminder of challenges to prop up the economy amid the raging pandemic.
The rare mention indicates the government's focus on average folk wellbeing that has inevitably taken a hit from the virus onslaught, analysts said, expecting the eye-catching numbers to be translated into massive growth opportunities for the world's largest developing nation.
China is a populous developing nation with an average per capita income of 30,000 yuan ($4,196.33) per annum, but *600 million people have a monthly income of only 1,000 yuan. With 1,000 yuan, it might be difficult to rent a home in a mid-sized city*, which is now compounded by the coronavirus outbreak, the premier told reporters, noting that people's livelihood is of utmost significance post-COVID-19.
saar please believe saar china super power saar.
@@jirik2435
During the early days of Open & Reform in the 80's, the average wage was RMB40 a month which was about $5. And that was in the high income cities. Rural incomes were a lot lower then and now.
On a lighter note, nice smile by Professor Ganguly :)
Keep smiling!!
He does seem happy especially since he'll soon be at the Hoover institute. Congratulations, sir!
Ah @@Lyle-In-NO
Don't compete with China, they are hundreds of years ahead of India.
US China rivalry can be illustrated in Olympic games.
Where India stand in this competition.
And China's status can be seen by its in football and Cricket. Where is China? Nonsense analogy.
India got the most medals in Olympia game with 1.4 billion people, ha ha ha@@Canyouseemeanna
@@CanyouseemeannaIndia is a nation of 1.4 billion people and only managed one gold medal in the Tokyo Olympics. 😂
@@Canyouseemeanna don't you realize your analogy is even more absurd?
@@harrylo2316 That was good already ! In some other times the Indians got nothing even !
One speaker said it correctly. A real concern is that India continues the approach and mindset of British colonial power. Looking at what India has been doing since its independence, it annexed a small state (Sikkim) and has been bullying all neighbors, meddling internal affairs of Bhutan and Nepal, occupying the land that Britain invaded and conquered from small kingdoms and countries, fighting wars with China and Pakistan. Yet, India tells others that it wants to be a world leader. People India needs to think really hard on what roles India wants to play on the world stage.
For the boarder disputes with China, British colonial power invaded China, Chinese government at the time rejected the British occupation of southern Tibet and other lands, and reaffirmed Chinese claims after WWII in 1945 and published the official map of China in 1947 when India was not yet an independent nation. India today still occupies the lands that British colonialism took illegally.
De-colonizing is a right thing that India should and must do and respects the neighbors for the world peace and Indian prosperity.
India is stuck in the Dark Age mentality.
Tibet is not China. The occupation of Tibet by force does not make Tibet, one China. Tibet has a different culture, with a different language, different people everything is different. Tibetans are more close to Indians than the far east Chinese.
@@sandeepkumarkhuntia8839
So do you support native Americans independence and freedom, the USA government should leave America?
@@sandeepkumarkhuntia8839
Tibetans don't look like Indians, they look more like Chinese. LOL.
@@Anonymous------ Oh I see why Chinese claim other's lands, because those who look like mongoloid are Chinese as per Chinese crazy mentality.
India's first peaceful debate on the Internet
😅😅😅
Why is India/Indians so obsessed with China?????😅😅😅
Becaause Chinese people are whiter than Indians 😎
There is no rivalry, China is leagues ahead.
You guys just taking nothing more.
India IS continuing with the British colonial legacy. Even then China has made concessions to swap land and call an end to the border dispute, but India wants to keep it all, it is beyond help.
莫迪是不会同意的..他要拿着这点边界问题 左右逢源 中国美国关系... 偶尔恶心下中国 😂
There's no rivalry when India isn't even a credible competitor. The Chinese don't even pay attention to India and neither does the rest of the world. 😂
No one gives a shit about India
Disagree with you .
@@arunpanat8157 You can disagree all you want. The statistics don't lie. How would your country ever compete when it can't build enough toilets and has the highest rates of open defecation in the world?
@@arunpanat8157 Pakistan is worried about India
Why do you hate so much of India ? Every point of your argument can be easily demolished . Any how your comment on India is enjoyable !!
Funny, in chinese social medias , public or private, nobody talk about rivalry with India. China loves USA 😊
You are right I never have a A thing Made in India😂😂😂
@@user-hc9oi2fc1m Not accurate. Many Chinese do love Aamir Khan and his movies very much.
@@catinbootsnow4267 Apart from Indian movies and Indian holy oil, I don't know what else is worth buying in India
@user-hc9oi2fc1m
Not surprising. They could not even build toilets
We are not in a "rivalry", you dont qualify as an "opponent" my dude.
😂😂
India-China Rivalry??? since when was India a rival to China? India is not even near the same league as China. Using boxing analogy China is a super heavy weigh, India is just a light feather weight, it should be compared to Pakistan and Bangladesh
Many people see US-India relations 'improvement' as a direct result of the US wanting to use India as a nuisance (balance some say) to China's obviously disconcerting (to US) rising comprehensive national power. The US and the west in general more or less tolerates India just for that. It's not a sudden show of love for Indians. How long will that last?
Xi ruined China's economic momentum with purges and autocracy. West is shifting their factories from China to India, Vietnam, Indonesia etc. So this trend will last for long as Xi is going to Mao path after 4 decades of China following Deng Xiaoping's liberal economic reforms path.
1.US will use India and India will use USA.
2."Tolerates"? "Needs" is the word I would use. Words like " tolerate" suggests a master-slave relationship which India does not accept.The "many people" needs to get accustomed to this reality.They should consider the India-US relationship as a partnership where each has different needs and capabilities they pool and bring to the table.
@@physicsonline8853 there would have been no 'partnership' without US wanting to use India against China. That's so clear.
We are not any US satellite state lol and we don't need support from people who lost to farmers in Vietnam XD , keep living in your LGbtq+ pro Max community
@Ocean___Blue
How abusive you are! Are you getting well paid for your time? Or do you have a deep rooted illness that causes you to erupt like this? Get well soon.
For friends in India, China is not even racing against the US. China is now so far ahead of the US, China is racing against the China of yesterday. The US is so desperate and frustrated that it is too late and the US has simply given up to race. If India is still keen to race ahead, then perhaps the US can still serve as a nice and easy target to work on.
The professor is comparing Taiwan vs China as SK, or JPN vs China. Taiwan is province of China, whereas SK and/JPN is a different sovereign state....
Can you imagine the power of combining the brainpower of these two great eastern civilizations
What brain power? One is homocidal nation and the other is socialist. Homocidal socialist?
你觉得可能吗？
Average Chinese IQ 104 while Indian IQ 72, combined they have average IQ 88, brain power of Sri Lanka.
India bullied China in the 1950s and 60s and is still occupying South Tibet. India is a country up to no good.
Like this thought .. hope it becomes a reality in near future 👏
And these type rivalries only makes enemies happy.
Prof Sumit is my ideal, love and respect from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Pakistan ❤
This was an incredibly informative session by a panel of subject matter experts. Thank you so much to Nitin Gokhale and StratNewsGlobal for bringing to us such educative sessions. I'm so glad there is a channel like SNG out there with a clear objective of bringing India-First issues to its audience, in a non-partisan manner, unlike the other channel run by a veteran journalist with a bunch of school-girl-like amateurs and seems to be very conflicted by a woke, leftist agenda.
Does India recognize Taiwan as an independent state?
No. Neither does the US. Only a dozen countries recognise Taiwan as a separate nation.
@Ocean___BlueI've never heard of Gobara. Are they a weapons manufacturer?
@Ocean___Blue
What ?? India manufacturing massive amounts of BRAS ??
Forty years ago China and India stood at same starting point . Now, China ' economy size is almost six times of India '. So, it is very understandable, that India really have jealousy feeling towards China.
The two gentlemen and the host missed a bigger picture of a new global order emerging and growing fast: BRICS. ❤
🇮🇳👍 Gokhale sir, excellent program presented by you all 🇮🇳👍
Indians are very good in talking.
Chinese are very good in doing.
China's land is 3 times of India, China's population similar to India, 40 years ago, the GDP of both nations were comparable, now Chinese GDP 6 times of India. . India should move on with actions instead of talking, and compare to Bangladesh, Pakistan, Bazil..instead of China.
India talk, talks and talks........
China works, works and works.......
No rivalry and no competition
India is so far far way way behind China in everything
Be it economy, military, science & technology, Space, EV, AI, Quantum computer, sports, etc.... etc.....
India imports 95% of its weapons, the largest arms importer, China has athe largest manufacturing industry and produce its own military weapons, submarine, aircraft carrier, destroyers, tanks, artillery, 6G fighter jets, etc... etc....
How to rival China ??
*There's something missing with India, but there is a simple answer: Do the right thing!*
That never seems to cross any of your minds! Also India needs to know its place!
China never pretended to be someone they aren't, they worked hard until they got there!
*India assumes potential is reality! India is not a rival to China, India is nothing compared to China.*
India is a country of the future where the future never arrives
Sound like something i saw a while ago this chinese guy demolished the bbc dude, when the bbc dude asked if china is a firend, folk or competitor. 🤣🤣
There is no rivalry between India and China.
China is light years ahead of India.
There is absolutely no rivalry
China will need India to add $10000 to per capita, from $20000-40000 to $30000-50000. And by doing so, adding $10000 to India's per capita. Meanwhile, China is focusing on Africa to add $10000 to per capita. And hopefully, adding $10000 to Africa's per capita.
Why does China focus on other countries instead of itself? 😂😂😂 That is absurd.
@@watchman835🤣🤣🤣 they are , that's why China is way ahead of India 🤣🤣🤣
Your two indian experts just wants to sell book , but either bias or limited knowledge ⁉️
India is a rising power that i agree, But China is not quite a rising power is so Laughable.
China has already risen
OMG, he even lists India as one of the 3 global powers besides USA and China.....🤣😂
我宁愿 美国和印度是世界超级强国！ 请不要打扰中国 谢谢
India -China rivalry? Jaishankar has made it clear there is no such question. Smaller economy cannot take on a bigger economy even in the crucial field of defense of one's territorial integrity. He had made this clear in his media interview sometime ago. Many would tend to agree with him from a pure pragmatic rationalistic point of view. In fact some would more then agree. Hence Modi's abject surrender, "Koi Ghusa Nhi ". But his media team is on a war footing elsewhere. A propaganda of impending war with China doesn't stop. This is however enough to fool foolish people. To be someone's rival one has to pass a few tests. Modi has backed out.
A very important discussion on the Sino Indian rivalry & the US Indo Pacific cooperation by 2 very important persons who have written books on the Subject
Excellent programme. Keep up the good work on educating us on the Indian perspective of the new multipolar world order that is emerging
Thanks
appreciate your support @ranabasu686 🙏🏾
China believes that for India to be truly independent there needs to be a civil revolution and political blood needs to be shed. This will define what India is including its character language, culture etc.
From that a new social contract would emerge between the Indian people and its rulers.
Similar to the Chinese revolution which replaced monarchy with Communism.
Only then will China accept India's role in the Global world order. Till then they will view India as a continuation of the British Empire.
The above is from articles in the Global Times.
India will evolve. No question of a break with the past. Chaos only changes rulers, not quality of life of fellow citizens. Enough "revolutions" of the past have proved this time and time again.
Latest example in the sub continent is Nepal. Overthrew monarchy. Replaced by Communists. Has the life of citizens changed for the better?
Bung off Global times ....stooge
Who cares? 😂
MYOFB, mind your own business
India gained independence through sit-ins and hunger strikes. India could not even defeat the British colonists and only gained independence through the kindness of the British. This is the reason why the West despises India, and developing countries do not recognize India.
Splendid discussion sir.🎉
Not many people in china have anti-india feelings.
Why so many Indians have anti-china feelings, and very emotional?
They learned, emulated, and brainwashed by America.
I see USA India rivalry down the road.
Agree. What US is doing to china now will be done to india if india rises too fast and too enormous !
It is sad that India and China, these 2 great Asian civilizations can’t strive for cooperation and harmony and symbolic relationship. Look at the mutual benefits with China and Russia. Cooperation. Can USA be trusted
😂😂😂😂. China eats at russian territory too
i totally agree with your comment.
but seriously. for china there is no rivalry between china and india, at least for now. its not apple to apple. india should be compared to bangladesh 😊😊
A sober and constructive analysis.
Indian like to live in the world of Bollywood even in real life. They pscyhe themselves into believing everything that fit into their liking and ego, instead of facing up to the truth. Recently alot of Indian hype of having surpasses China in population and having received more western-led foreign investment. The point is that being No. 1 in population or having large FDI doesn't simply make one a superpower. The barren fact and reality of India currently, India is at least 15 to 20 years behind China that is barring any more advancement by China. Truth is sometimes painful and fact is more unbelievable than fiction for some people.😩☹️😮💨
India - China border dispute is a gift from British imperialists. They knowingly included much of Chinese territories within India without any discussion with the Chinese.
The border dispute is serving their interest.
The USA is desperately trying to halt China's rise by cutting their market access. Huawei is one case, others are Chinese EVs, photovoltic cells etc.
China will definitely surpass USA GDP but it will be delayed due to various sanctions and trecherous behaviours.
It is easy for the USA to romp home India exploiting border disputes.
This is all happening failing to compete with the Chinese technological progress through innovations.
"In 1842, a peace treaty was indeed concluded between the local authorities of China's Tibet and the Kashmir authorities". "As to the Chinese Government official's statement made in 1847 to the British representative that this section of the boundary was clear" ( Letter of Chou En-lai to Nehru 8th Sept, 1959).
It is clear from the letter that Aksai Chin boundary was well defined but Chinese changed their mind after Nehru surrendered Tibet with the Panch Sheel agreement of 1954.
1842-Aksai Chin Agreement with independent Tibet during "China's century of shame" is similar to 1858-The Treaty of Aigun & 1860 -treaty in which Russia obtained over 900,000 sq.km of Chinese territory. All 3 agreements done during that period are legally valid.
On the Eastern Sector, McMahon Line, frontier between Tibet and Assam in British India was negotiated between Tibet and Great Britain at the end of the Shimla Conference (October 1913-July 1914)
Both the agreements are well defined with then independent state of Tibet.
Ha ha good joke. Tibet was not Chinese territory.
@@realnapster1522 China is itself a big joke. India's Indo-Tibetan boundary lines have as much sanctity as Vladivostok, Sakhalin Islands & 9-dash lines status. Hong Kong was permanently ceded to Britain during Chinese Century of Shame. As good will Britain gave it back on condition of keeping its democratic identity intact but China subverted the agreement. Border tranquility agreements with India have been subverted. International Arbitration Court's ruling on Spratly' Islands has been subverted. Agreement with US on Shoal Island has been subverted. China is crying foul on US banning TikTok but has banned all US apps. China is a bully & violator of established rules & agreements. its fall is certain & not very far off.
@@realnapster1522 . China is a nuclear state, so India should not be engrossed in hubris thinking that she can fight any nuclear powers into submission. What baffles me , as a American Chinese, that Indians seem not to be as smart as Chinese or Americans, to know that harboring defeating another nuclear nation is dumb. Americans will only fight with another nuclear power by remote (aka proxy wars, using lesser powers as cannon-fodders. Think Ukraine!). Maybe India might want to sign up as Ukraine 2.0? 😂😂
@@realnapster1522well, the thing is it was historically. they declared independence for a while but china didnt acknowledge &capture back. its as if the shikh separatists in punjab declare independence
Good debate
Nice views
Very well informed conversation. Thanks to Prof Ganguli and General Sengupta sharing their research and experiences respectively. Especially, next decade will be quite crucial for India to consolidate both on economy and militarily to squarely meet the China challenge. Jai Hind
A pleasure listening to dignified intellectuals debate, and so very different to Western diatribe and Saber rattling
Jai poop india
There is no talk of rivalry with India on China side. Only India keeps harping on rivalry with China. Why, India? It's not a Bollywood movie where such shenanigans can be swept under carpet. The entire world is laughing at such shenanigans.
The next book: The Bollywood and Hollywood Rivalry ... joke aside, what can India do to win? Be the hatchman of the Americans to launch a border war with China? In that regard, I think we all know how the "Ulkraine Russian Rivalry" went down ...
Thanks!
🙏🏾appreciate your support @udelram
You are using the wrong word to describe the situation.There is no rivalry.
China could subdue other nations but not India & that changed the world:
(1)When Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo was awarded Nobel Prize in 2010 in Norway, China banned imports of Norwegian salmon fish, Norway’s major export & Norway pleaded helplessness.
(2) In 2012, China took control of Vietnam’s Paracel Islands & Vietnam could only protest,
(3) In 2012, China refused to vacate Philippines' Scarborough shoal island violating an agreement negotiated by Obama & Obama abandoned the US Security Treaty Partner Philippines.
(4) In 2013 China established “East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone” over Japan’s Senkaku island & Japan only protested.
(5)That encouraged China to stealthily occupy Spratly Islands in April, 2015 to get control of strategic Indo-Pacific oceanic passage,
(6) Instead of demanding China's withdrawal, Xi Jinping was given welcome visit to White House where on Sept 25, 2015 he promised not to militarize illegally annexed Spratly Islands.! Xi then militarized them within 2 yrs.
(7) On the Afghan front, China bled US & Nato in blood & treasure through its proxy Pakistan, got strategic CPEC access to Indian Ocean & finally handed them humiliating Afghan expulsion.
(8) China clandestinely helped N. Korea get nuclear-missile capability to hit US mainland converting it into successful Cuba of 1962.
(A) No body could physically block the belligerent Communist except India. In 2017, when China illegally entered Doklam to threaten India’s North-East. It was physical blockage of Chinese Communist Army by Indian Army plus rise of Indian people to boycott Chinese goods which made 400 Chinese Managers jobless with 30% drop in VIVO & OPPO sales within 2 weeks, that alarmed nervous China.
Trump finally took hint & in 2018 put 25% tariffs on 6,800 Chinese goods worth whopping $250Bn & sent his Pacific fleet to physically challenge belligerent Communist in the SCS.
(B) Again when India was under Covid-19 lock down from April 2020, Xi thinking Coronavirus highly contagious, non-treatable & very fatal causing Wuhan-type economic standstill invaded Ladakh. Again rapid blockage of Communist Army by Indian Army despite raging pandemic put spanners in Xi Jinping’s dream of having garden walk into PoK to secure CPEC.
US realized importance of India & upgraded QUAD. India earned its place. Two QUAD countries Australia &Japan are linked through bilateral security treaties with the US. India stands out as an independent nuclear weapons power with large military that does not need the US treaty of mutual defense but can strengthen QUAD both in Indo-Pacific ocean region & by pinning down Communist army along entire 3,500km long Indo-Tibetan border.
Bhatia Sahab, bada hi authentic aur pinpoint sawal jawab Diya aapane.
Mr gangoli ke mutabik hamare Hith itne heJude hue Hain To yeh chau Mau ya xi ke dimag mein kyon nahin aaya?
Asal mein China hamara Dushman number 1 hai .
China add economy aur add technology hai. Pichhle 30 salon mein us aur western help se yahan Tak pahuncha.
Ab downfall ki Bari hai.
"Ham add economy nahin Hai."
Atomic aur space technology, IT main ham top per Hain.
Western thinking ko ham avoid karte Hain.Ab"Dragon fire" likhkar dikhao?? Aapka dhanyvad 4:0
China is clearly making its territorial claims but acting as a bully. The world observes but can't do much.
Thank you.
Do you really believe USA/NATO/EU will protect India or use it as a proxy? American politics - first sugar-coat to entrap, second suck-them dry & finally bomb. Read all the previous American war histories, especially about the the deep sate & CIA. Why do you you think that Zuckerberg, Gates, Blackrock, Wallstreet CEO's & all others were at the Ambani pre-wedding?
Free South Tibet, and independence for the North Eastern states and Kashmir !.
Please help India's ambition to become the next superpower, so that the US will shift its attention to India. Obama's Pivot to Asia: "If over a billion Chinese citizens have the same living patterns as Australians and Americans do right now, then all of us are in for a very miserable time. The planet just can't sustain it." Just need to change one word in that sentence to pivot to India.
L'Inde ne fait pas le poids face à la puissance du Dragon qu'est la Chine, c'est fou comme les indiens aiment à se comparer à la Chine 🤣
Great
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India's role in Asia every since it got its independence from the British has historically been a bully, ask Sikkim , Nepal, Sirilanka and Maldives. India has tbe wet dream of imaging itself as the heir of the British Empire😅 I would advise indians to start with somethinv more practical , for example stop rapping foriegn tourits ... Oh, is that too hard ?
why would want to be the heir of that soggy little island, which probably doesn't even exist within next 50-100 years. Ask whom? India is literally providing billions of dollars for Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bhutan. Maybe you should ask your commie daddy xi ping who the real bully is
too bad they are not white.
India should compare with other poor countries, not with the richest country of the world, the PRC.
Spice Road VS Silk Road
India and china rivalry is basically over border issues and other reasons are secondary
The isolationist streak in the American establishment is the biggest point of concern as on today's world order...
It honestly seems like it would take a century at the very least for India to come close to anything comparable to China right now.
That's how far behind it is.
Not trying to dunk on Indians.
But there is not even a competition. This whole 'rivalry' talk is just make-pretend at this point.
This was a fascinating discussion that included 2 SME experts.
Excellent👍👍
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You guys are not even in the same league. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
Just listen or watch the interview with john mearsheimer with this very jealous interviewer palki, u will get the most honest and soul crushing answers. The indians might not like the answers, and the truth hurt bad but thats the truth nothing butbthe whole truth!!😂😂
No UK and Mogul colonisation, India will not exist like 500 years ago, in this subcontinent, over 700 kingdoms here, so why India still has 780 different languages today.
Indians hate the British and want to become British colonists and enslave the small surrounding countries. The small countries surrounding India are either on the way to becoming vassal states of India or have been annexed by India.
India's economy is 1/5 that of China- hardly a cmpetitor to China.
Will the US support India in a China-India war?
Most definitely- the US will provide just enough supportto stop India from losing.
India's best option is to negotiate the border issue and get on with building its economy.
Otherwise it will be another two generation of low growth.
Request u to do program with Mr. Bharat karnad.. so everyone able to knw the truth...
Another feel good program for Indian viewers... The only country in the world that's exceptional in bragging and talking big, but without substance!!! China builds world class infrastructures, while India has yet to solve its slums, human rights, and toilets problems until today!
India? What’s that?
Why are we suddenly seeing so many of this you tube video on India and China rivalry....? Who are the ones trying to exploit this matter?
What happened to video on Solar Industries??
Tonight at 7 pm on Bharatshakti
The ideology the path and the norms between China and India are two very different. In that note india should not be naive to be friend with Chine just for mere short term interest, which unfortunately Nepal is heading into.
Why India stoking about 0:17 Taiwan issue? Join QUAD? Jealousy is the crux of the matter vis-à-vis China!
What rivalry?
Japan, Vietnam, ang even Taiwan have border/ security problem with China, but thouse countries keep and maintain good economy and people to people relations with China... Why India does not have the same attitude, and direct its policy towards win-win cooperation... It's India that makes the condition even more dificult than it should be... India is more emotional than rational (compared to China) and the 3rd parties interest (USA & western countries) jump to it (to devide India & China) for their advantage
bloody hell. if you don't know Chinese history please keep your mouth shut.taiwanese called themself republic of China.they’re the only legitimate government of China. they retain the legitimate right to retake the whole China.technically they still at a civil war
Chinese trolls are very insecure about India’s rise that’s why they are crawling on every video related to India. 😂
Yet you have Brag -Rat Suckdeeps talking about china 24/7 in all their major programs 😂
Utter Nonsese. Where do you get such Narratives that China feel insecure of India Rise. China is too busy with its OBR, BRICS and SCO whereby Moldy endeavor to obstruct its development. Xi is not bothered with Moldy incompetence and inferiority. There is war when Moldy crosses the thin red line. Moldy shivering in his pants when it happened. Afterall, Moldy sold India Wholesale to the US as a vassal state with all access under the US Corruption Scheme to enrich his deep pockets of corruption. He embroiled India into the US Quicksand Entrapment and dancing under the US Puppet Strings. All said and done. The US Corruption Scheme controls India.
@@nicb.1213 when your father impragnated your mother, he forgot to add a brain cell, thats why you were born without it? If pingpingping isnt bothered about India then why is he always trying build a military base near India? Pingpingping already crossed the thin line in doklam 2020 and your commie soldiers were sent back to your commieland, what corruption are you talking about? Evergrande?
Your dream is too far. Better wake up and face the reality that Indin is so obsesed whilst China just ignoring India
scammer like you and your indian counterpart need to look for a better job , stop scamming old people
In every expect except for population, India is nowhere comparable to China.
Both could not compare to Carl Zha
Halfway through the video, I still don’t get the gist of what you guys are talking about in the context of the topic that we haven’t already heard from India’s overly nationalistic news networks.
Jealousy......
I totally disagree with what the guy in black shirt says. I agree with the West, that Chinese don't see India as a rival. How could that be? India is left so far behind, with no prospect of catching up whatsoever.
JP Morgan,( bot Captain Norgan) working towards a Global Indian Bond not merely entertaining India in an Index
Let's not adapt the zero sum game of the West. India and China were wealthy nations of the olds without having to fight each other. A stable India means a peaceful neighborhood for China. And a stable China also means a peaceful neighborhood for India. From a Chinese, my best wishes to India and may you continue to prosper.
And remember this adage. "To be an enemy of American can be dangers, but to be a friend is fatal."
“To be an enemy of the USA is dangerous but to be a friend could be fatal” : Henry Kissinger.
Would have loved to see Kanti Bajpai on the panel