The original submission was even more of a modular than the final design, so, I hardly think TLG has 'squeezed the originality' out of the initial idea (which, by the way, is brilliant, as is the final set).
I'm not sure why you say Lego made this set more modular? They took away the pin holes and sidewalk. I think this set fits best in the park rather than beside a modular
I don't think this set will look good standing next to the other modular buildings because a greenhouse like that is usually in a park or garden environment. It's lovely, so I would use it as a center piece of my city, along with more trees and green stuff. But I already have the friends set, and I bought additional pieces to close it and make it bigger, so I don't think I'll be buying this one. It's too expensive...
A great win for the submission creator. However. Price is sort of oblong considering the Natural History Museum price/piece count. Also sort of bad timing because so many of us grabbed 2 “Friends” botanical gardens and combined them. I think the marketing and timing was off on this IDEAS set considering the other things you can grab. I would have waited until the friends set retired and released this in Q2 or Q3 of 2025. Just my opinion, bad release timing is all. Set looks absolutely lovely though.
Why too many people costantly has a problem with it is not a modular?? It is Lego-based, just everyone can make an update of this set by using a few bricks more if they want to see it as a modular. Problem resolved..no problem. :D It is gorgeous set! If somebody has a real problem with this ''no modular'' type, then they deal with pettiness..
If only there was some way for Lego sets to be customized. They should put out a PSA about how it's okay for adults to be creative in their builds, even if it had to be 100 minutes long and directed by the Spiderverse guys.
For me I’m A-OK with this because it means we get this as basically a modular and then a legit modular in about a month when the rumored to be Modular “Bed and Breakfast” is revealed and put up for purchase!
I agree with the points you raised and personally I believe the modular line is great because they keep pushing the level of detail. However, they are also mainly inner city builds. However, this Botanical Garden is not. From my experience you do not have a large glass green house in a city. Maybe on the outskirts. You're more likely to find an open park section. I therefore think this shouldn't have been a modular and been more of a stand alone piece.
This set is rather beautiful and reminiscent of the greenhouses built in France and Britain during the late 18th and 19th centuries to house exhibitions of exotic plants collected from certain parts of the French and British empires, especially the tropical colonies. Lego even captured the flamboyant styles of these greenhouses. The Lego Botanical Gardens would look out of place in a typical Lego Modular layout, as it's not "urban" enough for it. The Botanical Gardens set is better displayed and played with pretty much on its own, in a separate section of a Lego town or city. With some stylistic modifications and the addition of an airlock, the Lego Botanical Gardens could easily be adapted to be the greenhouse of a Lego planetary base setup.
I love this set so much. In fact, I much prefer this over the original design. I love the flat, more traditional look and I think it would make for a great standalone set rather than in a city
This building will not feature in the ‘blueprint’ of the modular street, it’s a ‘creator expert’ set that is modular adjacent… Like the A frame cabin and fishing store. I was there for cafe corner and market street (not a modular originally!) and I have them all, I’ll be getting this because .. it is beautiful.
I think it needs to be modified to fit on 1 1/2 baseplates instead of 2, just like the original submission. Use all the pieces to make it deeper and taller, with less wasted space. Put in some technic pins if you want - but I’d probably opt for displaying it on its own like the A-frame cabin
Indeed, displaying and playing with this set on its own will probably be the most suitable option. I could also envision a smaller version of the Lego Botanical Gardens set could be adapted for a planetary habitat setup, you'd really only need to add an airlock and some astronaut style living quarters and voila!
This best finds its place in a large park greenery area in front or to the side of modulars. The pins don't matter as much when everyone is transitioning to MILS plates.
I’m a mega fan of the modular line-up, but I usually buy only the “real” modular that Lego sells once a year (I don’t have so much space). Every year I buy the modular and the most beautiful sets that interest me, for example nightmare before Christmas set. I would have loved if the botanical garden would have been a modular building that has the characteristics as the other modular, such as the sidewalk, but I understand that it wouldn’t have got any sense. I will still probably buy that because it’s gorgeous and fits very nice as a park into my city, but the price…
I wish it had been taller like the original submission. I think that looked "absolutely spectacular", whereas this version looks "great". So, in short, I love this Lego ideas set, but I'd be looking at modding it to make it look more like the original.
Sorry man, I love your channel, but the fan submission was obviously modular and you're overthinking it I think you should just make a video going over the impressive part uses and building techniques😔
I'm disappointed that they removed the big interior plants found in the fan design. The larger footprint is also a problem for me due to lack of space. As much as I love botanical sets, I'll have to pass on this set.😒
I love the Sesame Street set too, I want more sesame Street set, people will be converting the botanical garden to be modular as soon as get they hands on it and mils plating them
This Botanical Garden looks great, but I'd prefer to buy that Sesame Street box somewhere. Just for the minifigs and playability alone, that set is just great.
I think this set is superb. One of the best of the year. And I truly hope and trust that NO ONE will decry TLG for authorising modular buildings in other themes, like Lego Ideas, rather than limiting us modular fans to one or two sets per year.
LEGO Ideas are sets that don't fit into existing lines (though sometimes lines are brought back or created after a successful LEGO Ideas set). The modular series is defined as a building with a street scene, split up in stories, and connectable with technic pins. I don't mind if a LEGO set conforms to some of those, but if it doesn't comply with all, it's technically not a modular set. Yet I love that you can add the Marvel, NINJAGO, and some Chinese Lunar New Year of Spring Festival builds to your LEGO city. I also love that some sets go great together, like: The Old Fishing Store, The Motorized Lighthouse, and the Harbormaster's Office (and the Jaws set goes great with those as well). The Tree House, The A-Frame Cabin, and Camping Adventure. There are music sets like The Jazz Quartet, The Grand Piano, and The Fender Stratocaster. There are the one-off IP's like The Flintstones, Sesame Street, Jaws, Ghostbusters, The Nightmare Before Christmas, Winnie the Pooh, The Yellow Submarine. I also love the quirky little sets like The Insect Collection, Tales of the Space Age, While there were several NASA sets in 2003, it was the LEGO Ideas Saturn V rocket that launched the NASA theme with Women of NASA, The Space Shuttle Discovery, the Artemis, the ISS, and the Lunar Lander. The Medieval Blacksmith paved the way for the Lion Knight's Castle and the Medieval Town Square. The Green Zone launched the Sonic The Hedgehog series. Ideas and Icons are the greatest lines LEGO produces. There's rarely a disappointing set, despite the wide variety of sets released in those series.
One issue I have with Lego’s approach is that “modular” has been a distinct category on Lego Ideas for quite a while. And yet they’ve never selected one. If they’ve changed their minds, that’s fine. But it is certainly strange that at some point they honestly considered it, to the point of including it in their own filter, and only now decide to walk back on it.
I mean it can easily be modular but in the designer interview he said they changed from a modular design because they wanted the grounds to be shown. Plus a building like this shouldn’t be next to a jazz club
Tiago just posted the content he filmed for Lego Fan Days in Bilund, where Chris McVeigh talks about the design aspects and is asked about the modular exclusion.
You have a fair point in general, but I’m still upset about the Gringotts set. I spent $450 on Diagon Alley and was really hoping for a Gringotts. For sure the build inside and out would be really fun and detailed! Instead of an amazing Gringotts build, we got a lackluster Gringotts (with the exception of the wonky pillars on the front) and a bunch of extras I never wanted/asked for. The inside of the building looks forgotten about/way too small. I have not and will not pay $430 for that set. And I won’t ever get a Gringotts unless I buy the pieces and build it on my own. That was not the set to get creative/out of the box with.
Sure, but there's only 1 'true' modular per year. I don't think that qualifies as saturation. So people who love modulars will look for alternatives, like this set.
modular building = set on a baseplate. Simple. As for this, I really liked the original submission and I think Lego improved on it. It you look at pictures of botanical gardens, they are low and wide, not narrow and tall, my concerns with the Ideas version were a) too many large clear panels and b) looks a little squished to get the height for the trees - but despite this, thought it was a really interesting set. The Lego version fixes those, but maybe at the expense of less interesting array of plants inside. I bought 2 and a bit of the friends set to make a larger building (shaped like a cross in overhead view). My main issue with that was the dome - it just looks a little unrealistic with an all-glass dome with no side supports going up to the top, more like a simpler build. And it's great that Lego are producing larger sets - started with the museum and now this. Modulars look better when it's not two different architectural styles built together onto a single base plate.
for me its not the Pin's that make something Modular they help with the Line-up and give the Designers a guide to ensure buildings match up abit more neatly but if I had to designate a part that made something "modular" I'd rather put the focus on the Base plate Besides ofcourse the Scale/Detail This set would probably look amazing once serounded or fronted by a nice wide Park setting either partially flanking the Garden or just a few Base plates infront with a nice water feature, small playground or posibly the Hotdog stand
The modularity refers mostly in part to where additional floors can be added, it has also evolved over 17 years, pin connections do not a modular make. It’s also Lego… you want pin connectors.. you put them in
I personally think it’s more like the old fishing store than anything, it would fit in a modular city but it clearly doesn’t belong inside a modular city
I actually bought that Sesame Street set in South Korea while on vacation. I love it, but will make mods to it because I'm not a fan of the grocery story open like that.
If Griggots bank was only the top part (modular part) the set would have been ~$250 instead of $430. More people would buy it (including me) and put it in their modular city like the marvel modulars. It would have got people that are not hardcore Harry Potter fans to buy a Harry Potter set and potentially other from that line since they bought that one. They could have also sold the lower part (railway) separately with the dragon and sold more of those as well for ~$180. Point is more will sell as a "modular" even coming from a different theme instead of, as it was put, the "weird sets".
When I eventually get around to buying the botanical gardens I think I am going to put it in a park like environment adjacent to the museum. The biggest problem I have is that there are too many big sets coming out at the same time. It makes it harder for me to afford everything
To me there are 2 different things here : big & beautiful buildings (BBB) on one side and then modularity. This botanical garden is clearly a BBB, it's gorgeous. But it seems to have no modularity. Typical modular buildings are all BBBs and they have average modularity : you can add floors and put them side to side, but that's it, so you"re kind of stuck in that format. The problem is that they are too big and the baseplates are not in system. To me a good module is rather small and is only one thing : park module, appartment module, roof module, shop module, road module OR sidewalk module, not several building + sidewalk in front + backyard... Also I'm not a fan of people modularizing every lego set, trying to make them fit into a square with pin holes on the side... Apparently with this botanical garden, Lego has done the opposite, they demodularized the original design. Making it a pure BBB. Problem with BBBs is the price point...
Nah, it's really ONE clear modular building from ideas in years. They experiment and try new things in basically all others sets. Its being modular not a constraint, but rare opportunity
Modular building sets are about attaching in sequence with a continuous sidewalk like a traditional town street. And the removable floors. Nothing about this set makes it a modular building, and it wouldn't make sense to be one.
What do you expect from a modular building? Well... err... that it's made of, I don't know, modules? I mean, you can take the roof off, but that's it. It's one building, one floor, no modules. So it's not a blipping modular building!
I hate that they eliminated the modular criteria from Lego Ideas and BrickLink Designer Program; it’s quite evident that there are a lot of fan designers that love modulars and make awesome design that are not so block-y and even more evident that there are modular fans supporting these designs with their vote
The thing that nowadays sets apart a modular from a non-modular building is the fact that there are no stickers in the modular serie. Also the idea that a modular garden should be connected to a policestation or hotel to be considered a real modular is just morroni in my opinion
I feel the Botanical Garden is just too wide and will not fit in well with other modular buildings. I like the Natural History Museum, and it fits well in the Lego city. But this set is just too large, and best if it's displayed all alone by itself. Won't be buying it.
My dude, as much as I like your videos, it's not the technic pins in the side that makes a modular building "modular" - they're not modular because you can make a street out of them. The modularity is in the separating of the floors, and the fact the template of the top and bottom of the middle floor line up so that you could insert a dozen more middle floors should you choose.
I know of no botanical garden that sits in the middle of a high street surrounded by buildings, im with the verisimilitude of this… it sits in a park… where it should be.
On the flip side too much creativity can be a bad thing. To you the bottom half of Gringotts might be cool, but personally i hate it. To those of us who just wanted a modular to complete our Diagon Alleys that creativity was completely unnecessary and bloated the piece count massively, resulting in the set being twice the price it otherwise would have been. As a result something that would otherwise have been a day 1 purchase became a never purchase for me. The bottom half really should have been sold as a separate set. There's a time and a place for creativity but sometimes a bog standard modular is exactly what is needed in a product.
I think we're getting hung up on the term modular vs buildings for our cities. Obviously, this can be modularized--I imagine a large group of folks have transitioned much of their cities to mils anyhow, and every new building goes in mils by default. A lot of folks don't even use pins to connect. This will look great in cities, just need to arrange it to maximize its looks. And, although I refuse to do this because of cost, this is likely a build that would look great, lit.
First off, Market Street, the SECOND MODULAR EVER, was from the precursor to Ideas. Second, erroneously calling something a modular and then getting mad that it doesn't meet modular specifications... ????
I don't really see how this set is a modular at all. The only thing that makes the modular sets modular is that they connect togeather and fit thematically. This lacks the street, the connectors, and the cohesiveness. Calling this a modular set is such a cold take
The “hard core LEGO fan” you mention are the ones that ARE going to BUY the sets vs LEGO (understandably) trying to reach out to new consumers for their money
The Lego Group: Please PLEASE don't listen to this guy, for the sake of *paying* Lego fans like me. 🙏 Unlike this guy, we don't have the same level of disposable cash to buy EVERY SINGLE SET, so we make choices, and modular-based sets are the choice we make.
I've got to disagree completely with this video. The Sesame Street set is an ugly mess and much worse than the original Ideas submission (which was flawed but overall much better-looking, especially its exterior). I say that as a fan of Sesame Street and The Muppets in general (legalities be damned). It's hard to see how to modularise that set without significantly changing it and buying several more pieces than usual. As far as Lego Ideas sets go, I regard it as the biggest failure since the Back to the Future Deloreon, which is begging for a minifig-scale upgrade. By contrast, the new Botanical Gardens set is 10/10 (price notwithstanding).
I think it's purely an improvement over the Ideas set. Having it as a modular was a dumb idea, as it would look really out of place sandwiched between a fire station and diner. Like they just called it a modular to get more votes. And the original design looked like it was built oddly tall just to house the big tree in the middle. This new design can easily be dropped into a larger central park type build, adding paths, street lamps, fencing, street entrances, and gathering spaces, as well as expanded versions of the friends arboretum. A nice zen escape from the city. Also, I love the new window panels on top, especially the corner. Very useful, and I'm hoping to see them in trans light blue.
Yep, Set# Yawnfest 2024. Sadly, they priced everyone out of it, and we didn't need it as we have spent our entire annual Botanical budget on 2 or more Friends Botanical sets long ago, thanks anyway Lego.
To be fair - if it was a modular, we would call this a cash grab. It is a probable assumption, isn’t it? So… if you can’t bend your mind to accommodate something about 50 bricks to fit it with modulars… are you a LEGO fan?
I just don't think this is worth it when you can get 2 or 3 Friends sets and make a better build for way cheaper. Also this needed more interior plants
I feel like themes like ideas and marvel would feel less pressure to adhere to the modular design language if Lego actually put out more than ONE single modular a year! I think we are clearly seeing the demand is there
I agree to some extent, but I also think fans appreciate the variety. That's why you have so many fan designers turning other themed sets into modulars (e.g. the Chinese Restaurant, the Up House, Central Perk etc.) Fans want to differentiate their Lego Cities, so it helps to have a range of modular sets to choose from rather than one single 'collect them all' line. The collection part is rather boring and for obsessives (and I say that as someone with diagnosed OCD). The fun part is choosing which sets to buy and arranging them in a unique way.
I struggle to see the issue here? Adult fans love modular buildings, and this ideas submission which got 10,000 votes became a set. Sounds like a win/win to me. And this ideas submission was accepted long before that "no modular building" protocol was put in place.
Same here. The original IDEAS design is great. The final set is even better. And I love that they've made it feel like an authentic part of a city by adding a small cafe and a ticket booth. That there's so much space inside makes perfect sense for a botanical garden, and for those of us who enjoy modulars, we don't necessarily need to see every minifig contained inside. Placing them within the modulars are all part of the fun.
Matthew, it's a choice between this Lego 'fan' buying this set as it is (a semi-modular) or not buying this set at all. From a business POV, what option makes the most sense. My apologies for being a 'fan' who likes what he likes...
No this isn’t the modular building for 2025. That is rumored to be townhouses or row houses Calling this a modular building isn’t accurate so not sure what fanatic is on about.
I feel like Lego just doesn't want to make themes for adults. Like is there a less than fifty dollar modular set? Instead a clear set, we get these half safe ones. I also feel like "IDEAS" is that safe catch all these days. Half of fun is building and changing for your needs. This feels like missing the mark.
What do you mean “don’t want to make sets for adults?” Because i personally think they don’t want to make themes for kids. Like original themes. We’ve barely had any new original themes, and most of them just feel like they are trying to replace Ninjago every time a new original theme releases.
@MortexBerri you are right there. I grew up on the 90s. It was always exciting to see new ideas. It does feel more like town, ninjago and new ninjago (monkey kid and dreamz.) I am saying this for castle and sets fans want back. Not the best wording
@MortexBerri i kind wish lego did a classic theme. Do like one small, two mediums and a large. Let's say castle gets a large, then you add a small. Then have the other two be something else such as space and pirates. Just an idea
So this guy hates modulars! >:( JK u right in this one, but i do think that when it comes to the bricklink designer it should really be what people want, so if people want all 5 options to be castles, then so be it? idk but yeah ideas shouldnt be full of just modulars
The original submission was even more of a modular than the final design, so, I hardly think TLG has 'squeezed the originality' out of the initial idea (which, by the way, is brilliant, as is the final set).
I'm not sure why you say Lego made this set more modular? They took away the pin holes and sidewalk. I think this set fits best in the park rather than beside a modular
Did you watch the video? He explains what he means.
I don't think this set will look good standing next to the other modular buildings because a greenhouse like that is usually in a park or garden environment. It's lovely, so I would use it as a center piece of my city, along with more trees and green stuff. But I already have the friends set, and I bought additional pieces to close it and make it bigger, so I don't think I'll be buying this one. It's too expensive...
A great win for the submission creator. However. Price is sort of oblong considering the Natural History Museum price/piece count. Also sort of bad timing because so many of us grabbed 2 “Friends” botanical gardens and combined them. I think the marketing and timing was off on this IDEAS set considering the other things you can grab. I would have waited until the friends set retired and released this in Q2 or Q3 of 2025. Just my opinion, bad release timing is all. Set looks absolutely lovely though.
You might be overthinking it bro….that said you are a self admitted “fanatic”, so I guess it’s on brand 😂
it’s hard being a lego content creator man 🤣🤣 you gotta come up with something to say when there’s nothing to say
Why too many people costantly has a problem with it is not a modular?? It is Lego-based, just everyone can make an update of this set by using a few bricks more if they want to see it as a modular. Problem resolved..no problem. :D It is gorgeous set! If somebody has a real problem with this ''no modular'' type, then they deal with pettiness..
If only there was some way for Lego sets to be customized. They should put out a PSA about how it's okay for adults to be creative in their builds, even if it had to be 100 minutes long and directed by the Spiderverse guys.
For me I’m A-OK with this because it means we get this as basically a modular and then a legit modular in about a month when the rumored to be Modular “Bed and Breakfast” is revealed and put up for purchase!
To me this is a stand alone set… and i like that.🔥🔥🔥
On the LEGO website the sets is also included in the category of modular buildings.
I agree with the points you raised and personally I believe the modular line is great because they keep pushing the level of detail. However, they are also mainly inner city builds. However, this Botanical Garden is not. From my experience you do not have a large glass green house in a city. Maybe on the outskirts. You're more likely to find an open park section. I therefore think this shouldn't have been a modular and been more of a stand alone piece.
This set is rather beautiful and reminiscent of the greenhouses built in France and Britain during the late 18th and 19th centuries to house exhibitions of exotic plants collected from certain parts of the French and British empires, especially the tropical colonies. Lego even captured the flamboyant styles of these greenhouses.
The Lego Botanical Gardens would look out of place in a typical Lego Modular layout, as it's not "urban" enough for it. The Botanical Gardens set is better displayed and played with pretty much on its own, in a separate section of a Lego town or city. With some stylistic modifications and the addition of an airlock, the Lego Botanical Gardens could easily be adapted to be the greenhouse of a Lego planetary base setup.
I'm cool with it not being a modular, but I don't like how LEGO advertises it as a modular on the LEGO Website
Shamelessly expensive
I love this set and I will buy it for sure.
I love this set so much. In fact, I much prefer this over the original design. I love the flat, more traditional look and I think it would make for a great standalone set rather than in a city
This building will not feature in the ‘blueprint’ of the modular street, it’s a ‘creator expert’ set that is modular adjacent… Like the A frame cabin and fishing store. I was there for cafe corner and market street (not a modular originally!) and I have them all, I’ll be getting this because .. it is beautiful.
Honestly, the Botanical Gardens set would be more suitable next to the Lego A-Frame cabin and Fishing Shop than any traditional Lego Modular building.
I think it needs to be modified to fit on 1 1/2 baseplates instead of 2, just like the original submission. Use all the pieces to make it deeper and taller, with less wasted space. Put in some technic pins if you want - but I’d probably opt for displaying it on its own like the A-frame cabin
Indeed, displaying and playing with this set on its own will probably be the most suitable option. I could also envision a smaller version of the Lego Botanical Gardens set could be adapted for a planetary habitat setup, you'd really only need to add an airlock and some astronaut style living quarters and voila!
This best finds its place in a large park greenery area in front or to the side of modulars. The pins don't matter as much when everyone is transitioning to MILS plates.
I’m a mega fan of the modular line-up, but I usually buy only the “real” modular that Lego sells once a year (I don’t have so much space). Every year I buy the modular and the most beautiful sets that interest me, for example nightmare before Christmas set. I would have loved if the botanical garden would have been a modular building that has the characteristics as the other modular, such as the sidewalk, but I understand that it wouldn’t have got any sense. I will still probably buy that because it’s gorgeous and fits very nice as a park into my city, but the price…
This botanical garden is very much modular compatible (with some changes) to make it fit in my Lego City
I wish it had been taller like the original submission. I think that looked "absolutely spectacular", whereas this version looks "great". So, in short, I love this Lego ideas set, but I'd be looking at modding it to make it look more like the original.
"full of fertilizer"... what an expression 😂 By the way, very good comment. No need to turn everything into a modular building.
Sorry man, I love your channel, but the fan submission was obviously modular and you're overthinking it I think you should just make a video going over the impressive part uses and building techniques😔
I'm disappointed that they removed the big interior plants found in the fan design. The larger footprint is also a problem for me due to lack of space. As much as I love botanical sets, I'll have to pass on this set.😒
Meanwhile I'm thinking about modifying the X-Mansion to fit 3 full baseplates instead of the 3 half baseplates it comes on.
Added low garden walls covered in ivy with pinholes on both sides should fix it in a jiffy.
I love the Sesame Street set too, I want more sesame Street set, people will be converting the botanical garden to be modular as soon as get they hands on it and mils plating them
This Botanical Garden looks great, but I'd prefer to buy that Sesame Street box somewhere. Just for the minifigs and playability alone, that set is just great.
I think this set is superb. One of the best of the year. And I truly hope and trust that NO ONE will decry TLG for authorising modular buildings in other themes, like Lego Ideas, rather than limiting us modular fans to one or two sets per year.
LEGO Ideas are sets that don't fit into existing lines (though sometimes lines are brought back or created after a successful LEGO Ideas set).
The modular series is defined as a building with a street scene, split up in stories, and connectable with technic pins.
I don't mind if a LEGO set conforms to some of those, but if it doesn't comply with all, it's technically not a modular set. Yet I love that you can add the Marvel, NINJAGO, and some Chinese Lunar New Year of Spring Festival builds to your LEGO city.
I also love that some sets go great together, like:
The Old Fishing Store, The Motorized Lighthouse, and the Harbormaster's Office (and the Jaws set goes great with those as well).
The Tree House, The A-Frame Cabin, and Camping Adventure.
There are music sets like The Jazz Quartet, The Grand Piano, and The Fender Stratocaster.
There are the one-off IP's like The Flintstones, Sesame Street, Jaws, Ghostbusters, The Nightmare Before Christmas, Winnie the Pooh, The Yellow Submarine.
I also love the quirky little sets like The Insect Collection, Tales of the Space Age,
While there were several NASA sets in 2003, it was the LEGO Ideas Saturn V rocket that launched the NASA theme with Women of NASA, The Space Shuttle Discovery, the Artemis, the ISS, and the Lunar Lander.
The Medieval Blacksmith paved the way for the Lion Knight's Castle and the Medieval Town Square.
The Green Zone launched the Sonic The Hedgehog series.
Ideas and Icons are the greatest lines LEGO produces. There's rarely a disappointing set, despite the wide variety of sets released in those series.
One issue I have with Lego’s approach is that “modular” has been a distinct category on Lego Ideas for quite a while. And yet they’ve never selected one. If they’ve changed their minds, that’s fine. But it is certainly strange that at some point they honestly considered it, to the point of including it in their own filter, and only now decide to walk back on it.
I mean it can easily be modular but in the designer interview he said they changed from a modular design because they wanted the grounds to be shown.
Plus a building like this shouldn’t be next to a jazz club
Can it be next to the museum, typically you can find and museum and garden center next to each other
It could easily be in a park in a modular city.
@@lego_cookie_runner see that is where I think it goes.
Tiago just posted the content he filmed for Lego Fan Days in Bilund, where Chris McVeigh talks about the design aspects and is asked about the modular exclusion.
The argument presented here misses the mark. What botanical garden is attached to a “city”. They are all separate
Of course, you must review the Sesame Street set. Soon! Can't wait!
12:17 That noise is how I feel about this bloody video.
You have a fair point in general, but I’m still upset about the Gringotts set. I spent $450 on Diagon Alley and was really hoping for a Gringotts. For sure the build inside and out would be really fun and detailed! Instead of an amazing Gringotts build, we got a lackluster Gringotts (with the exception of the wonky pillars on the front) and a bunch of extras I never wanted/asked for. The inside of the building looks forgotten about/way too small. I have not and will not pay $430 for that set. And I won’t ever get a Gringotts unless I buy the pieces and build it on my own. That was not the set to get creative/out of the box with.
Why is the clip about the sesame street set is cropped and aligned right with black bar on the left. I thought my phone is broken 😅
Yes, not everything should be a modular. Market saturation is a thing.
Sure, but there's only 1 'true' modular per year. I don't think that qualifies as saturation. So people who love modulars will look for alternatives, like this set.
They could have removed the outside tree and put more plants inside, it's half empty 😟
It certainly would be better suited to a national park build rather then a city build, still looks nice though.
It would fit nicely in the suburban area of a city!
modular building = set on a baseplate. Simple.
As for this, I really liked the original submission and I think Lego improved on it. It you look at pictures of botanical gardens, they are low and wide, not narrow and tall, my concerns with the Ideas version were a) too many large clear panels and b) looks a little squished to get the height for the trees - but despite this, thought it was a really interesting set. The Lego version fixes those, but maybe at the expense of less interesting array of plants inside.
I bought 2 and a bit of the friends set to make a larger building (shaped like a cross in overhead view). My main issue with that was the dome - it just looks a little unrealistic with an all-glass dome with no side supports going up to the top, more like a simpler build.
And it's great that Lego are producing larger sets - started with the museum and now this. Modulars look better when it's not two different architectural styles built together onto a single base plate.
I do not understand this rent or is it a rent at all?? The set is very pretty
for me its not the Pin's that make something Modular
they help with the Line-up
and give the Designers a guide to ensure buildings match up abit more neatly
but if I had to designate a part that made something "modular"
I'd rather put the focus on the Base plate
Besides ofcourse the Scale/Detail
This set would probably look amazing once serounded or fronted by a nice wide Park setting
either partially flanking the Garden or just a few Base plates infront
with a nice water feature, small playground or posibly the Hotdog stand
The modularity refers mostly in part to where additional floors can be added, it has also evolved over 17 years, pin connections do not a modular make. It’s also Lego… you want pin connectors.. you put them in
Though I don't see how additional floors could be added to this set as it is, aside from extending the mezzanine.
I think it looks great and I don’t agree with the line of your argument but it’s an interesting opinion. It’s a day one buy for me.
it is all about the look in feel with modular sets in my opinion.
I personally think it’s more like the old fishing store than anything, it would fit in a modular city but it clearly doesn’t belong inside a modular city
I actually bought that Sesame Street set in South Korea while on vacation. I love it, but will make mods to it because I'm not a fan of the grocery story open like that.
If Griggots bank was only the top part (modular part) the set would have been ~$250 instead of $430. More people would buy it (including me) and put it in their modular city like the marvel modulars. It would have got people that are not hardcore Harry Potter fans to buy a Harry Potter set and potentially other from that line since they bought that one. They could have also sold the lower part (railway) separately with the dragon and sold more of those as well for ~$180. Point is more will sell as a "modular" even coming from a different theme instead of, as it was put, the "weird sets".
The guy wanted to make a video, not a point!
🤣🤣🤣 exactly!
When I eventually get around to buying the botanical gardens I think I am going to put it in a park like environment adjacent to the museum. The biggest problem I have is that there are too many big sets coming out at the same time. It makes it harder for me to afford everything
Just an additional thought… I could add some food trucks too
This is a nice set, but Lego simply did not price it to sell well.
To me there are 2 different things here : big & beautiful buildings (BBB) on one side and then modularity. This botanical garden is clearly a BBB, it's gorgeous. But it seems to have no modularity.
Typical modular buildings are all BBBs and they have average modularity : you can add floors and put them side to side, but that's it, so you"re kind of stuck in that format. The problem is that they are too big and the baseplates are not in system. To me a good module is rather small and is only one thing : park module, appartment module, roof module, shop module, road module OR sidewalk module, not several building + sidewalk in front + backyard... Also I'm not a fan of people modularizing every lego set, trying to make them fit into a square with pin holes on the side... Apparently with this botanical garden, Lego has done the opposite, they demodularized the original design. Making it a pure BBB. Problem with BBBs is the price point...
The botanic garden is second to on my list, just behind Titanic. I think its fantastic
It is not replacing this years modular building though
Was about to ask that; this is not the modular that comes out each year right?
Nah, it's really ONE clear modular building from ideas in years. They experiment and try new things in basically all others sets. Its being modular not a constraint, but rare opportunity
Modular building sets are about attaching in sequence with a continuous sidewalk like a traditional town street. And the removable floors.
Nothing about this set makes it a modular building, and it wouldn't make sense to be one.
Love it
What do you expect from a modular building?
Well... err... that it's made of, I don't know, modules? I mean, you can take the roof off, but that's it. It's one building, one floor, no modules. So it's not a blipping modular building!
32×32 baseplate ≠ modular.
No side walk, no connection pins, not modular. Just a pretty building.
Yes, please build that Sesame Street set and do a review of it on the turntable that you have!
I think it’s a fucking awesome set
I hate that they eliminated the modular criteria from Lego Ideas and BrickLink Designer Program; it’s quite evident that there are a lot of fan designers that love modulars and make awesome design that are not so block-y and even more evident that there are modular fans supporting these designs with their vote
The thing that nowadays sets apart a modular from a non-modular building is the fact that there are no stickers in the modular serie. Also the idea that a modular garden should be connected to a policestation or hotel to be considered a real modular is just morroni in my opinion
"What's missing from these sets are awkward, incompatible, design features that *ONLY* people with lots and lots of free space, like me, can display."
I missed so many awesome pirate ships very happy they got the goonies set coming 🤑
Why is almost everyone talking about the Botanical Garden as a modular, it isn`t, you won`t find a glasshouse on a street scape. Ridiculous.
I feel the Botanical Garden is just too wide and will not fit in well with other modular buildings. I like the Natural History Museum, and it fits well in the Lego city. But this set is just too large, and best if it's displayed all alone by itself. Won't be buying it.
My dude, as much as I like your videos, it's not the technic pins in the side that makes a modular building "modular" - they're not modular because you can make a street out of them.
The modularity is in the separating of the floors, and the fact the template of the top and bottom of the middle floor line up so that you could insert a dozen more middle floors should you choose.
I know of no botanical garden that sits in the middle of a high street surrounded by buildings, im with the verisimilitude of this… it sits in a park… where it should be.
On the flip side too much creativity can be a bad thing. To you the bottom half of Gringotts might be cool, but personally i hate it. To those of us who just wanted a modular to complete our Diagon Alleys that creativity was completely unnecessary and bloated the piece count massively, resulting in the set being twice the price it otherwise would have been. As a result something that would otherwise have been a day 1 purchase became a never purchase for me.
The bottom half really should have been sold as a separate set. There's a time and a place for creativity but sometimes a bog standard modular is exactly what is needed in a product.
This was maybe a 7 minute video you managed to drag out for 20 minutes
I think we're getting hung up on the term modular vs buildings for our cities.
Obviously, this can be modularized--I imagine a large group of folks have transitioned much of their cities to mils anyhow, and every new building goes in mils by default. A lot of folks don't even use pins to connect.
This will look great in cities, just need to arrange it to maximize its looks. And, although I refuse to do this because of cost, this is likely a build that would look great, lit.
It's the 3rd one
First off, Market Street, the SECOND MODULAR EVER, was from the precursor to Ideas.
Second, erroneously calling something a modular and then getting mad that it doesn't meet modular specifications... ????
I don't really see how this set is a modular at all. The only thing that makes the modular sets modular is that they connect togeather and fit thematically. This lacks the street, the connectors, and the cohesiveness. Calling this a modular set is such a cold take
This dude is trippin lmfao catch ur breath
The “hard core LEGO fan” you mention are the ones that ARE going to BUY the sets vs LEGO (understandably) trying to reach out to new consumers for their money
The Lego Group: Please PLEASE don't listen to this guy, for the sake of *paying* Lego fans like me. 🙏
Unlike this guy, we don't have the same level of disposable cash to buy EVERY SINGLE SET, so we make choices, and modular-based sets are the choice we make.
Release the kraken
I've got to disagree completely with this video. The Sesame Street set is an ugly mess and much worse than the original Ideas submission (which was flawed but overall much better-looking, especially its exterior). I say that as a fan of Sesame Street and The Muppets in general (legalities be damned). It's hard to see how to modularise that set without significantly changing it and buying several more pieces than usual. As far as Lego Ideas sets go, I regard it as the biggest failure since the Back to the Future Deloreon, which is begging for a minifig-scale upgrade.
By contrast, the new Botanical Gardens set is 10/10 (price notwithstanding).
You either like it or you dont whats the problem? You dont have to buy everything! Not everything is for everybody!
123 Sesame Street is AMAZING 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I decided to put a light kit in it on my own (not one already made…but I did use instructions from one already made…)
I love this set and the only thing that sucks about it is the price. $429 for Canada. 😢
which is 310 dollars or 287eur which should be a fair bit cheaper then the set is in the US or the EU
I think it's purely an improvement over the Ideas set. Having it as a modular was a dumb idea, as it would look really out of place sandwiched between a fire station and diner. Like they just called it a modular to get more votes. And the original design looked like it was built oddly tall just to house the big tree in the middle. This new design can easily be dropped into a larger central park type build, adding paths, street lamps, fencing, street entrances, and gathering spaces, as well as expanded versions of the friends arboretum. A nice zen escape from the city.
Also, I love the new window panels on top, especially the corner. Very useful, and I'm hoping to see them in trans light blue.
7:14 That's a very readable address...... 😬
Yep, Set# Yawnfest 2024. Sadly, they priced everyone out of it, and we didn't need it as we have spent our entire annual Botanical budget on 2 or more Friends Botanical sets long ago, thanks anyway Lego.
Look hun, the guy who hates castles nade another video
To be fair - if it was a modular, we would call this a cash grab. It is a probable assumption, isn’t it? So… if you can’t bend your mind to accommodate something about 50 bricks to fit it with modulars… are you a LEGO fan?
I just don't think this is worth it when you can get 2 or 3 Friends sets and make a better build for way cheaper.
Also this needed more interior plants
I feel like themes like ideas and marvel would feel less pressure to adhere to the modular design language if Lego actually put out more than ONE single modular a year! I think we are clearly seeing the demand is there
I agree to some extent, but I also think fans appreciate the variety. That's why you have so many fan designers turning other themed sets into modulars (e.g. the Chinese Restaurant, the Up House, Central Perk etc.) Fans want to differentiate their Lego Cities, so it helps to have a range of modular sets to choose from rather than one single 'collect them all' line. The collection part is rather boring and for obsessives (and I say that as someone with diagnosed OCD). The fun part is choosing which sets to buy and arranging them in a unique way.
I struggle to see the issue here? Adult fans love modular buildings, and this ideas submission which got 10,000 votes became a set. Sounds like a win/win to me. And this ideas submission was accepted long before that "no modular building" protocol was put in place.
Same here. The original IDEAS design is great. The final set is even better. And I love that they've made it feel like an authentic part of a city by adding a small cafe and a ticket booth. That there's so much space inside makes perfect sense for a botanical garden, and for those of us who enjoy modulars, we don't necessarily need to see every minifig contained inside. Placing them within the modulars are all part of the fun.
I don't like Modular Buildings, where's the Play???
Matthew, it's a choice between this Lego 'fan' buying this set as it is (a semi-modular) or not buying this set at all. From a business POV, what option makes the most sense. My apologies for being a 'fan' who likes what he likes...
It's not a modular.
It is much lower than normal modular buildings. Not sure would look good when putting side to side.
It isn’t a modular building though. It can be but it isn’t being advertised as one.
A few days ago I used your app to find the Dragonbourne from the Dungeons & Dragons series, but I got a mind flyere instead. Do you know why?
Is this the 2024/25 modular building or are we getting something else?
No this isn’t the modular building for 2025. That is rumored to be townhouses or row houses
Calling this a modular building isn’t accurate so not sure what fanatic is on about.
I feel like Lego just doesn't want to make themes for adults. Like is there a less than fifty dollar modular set? Instead a clear set, we get these half safe ones. I also feel like "IDEAS" is that safe catch all these days. Half of fun is building and changing for your needs. This feels like missing the mark.
What do you mean “don’t want to make sets for adults?” Because i personally think they don’t want to make themes for kids. Like original themes. We’ve barely had any new original themes, and most of them just feel like they are trying to replace Ninjago every time a new original theme releases.
@MortexBerri you are right there. I grew up on the 90s. It was always exciting to see new ideas. It does feel more like town, ninjago and new ninjago (monkey kid and dreamz.)
I am saying this for castle and sets fans want back. Not the best wording
@@fireboy312002 I definitely hope we get cheaper castle sets. The D&D CMF kinda fills the void
@MortexBerri i kind wish lego did a classic theme. Do like one small, two mediums and a large. Let's say castle gets a large, then you add a small. Then have the other two be something else such as space and pirates. Just an idea
just a comment :)
So this guy hates modulars! >:( JK u right in this one, but i do think that when it comes to the bricklink designer it should really be what people want, so if people want all 5 options to be castles, then so be it? idk but yeah ideas shouldnt be full of just modulars