Our guest is journalist and author Stephen Kinzer to discuss his most recent book titled, "The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War."
Thank you, Brian Lamb, for all your years on C-span and Stephen Kinszer for your books and journalism. American history on all sides. My brother Tommy Wayne Wheeler was on the USS Liberty Navel Ship AGTR-5, 1967, 6-day war. Remembering June 8, 1967. General Smedley Buter, "War is a Racket." United Fruit Company, now Chiquita Bananas. May we build a better understanding of history and world histories for the betterment of humanity for peace. Look at us now in 2024.
Excellent! I was born in Guatemala. I saw the political catastrophe for decades. I saw the misery and injustices. Mr. Kinzer research and talent brings light to the errors of the past. Let’s stop repeating them again and again.
Howard Zinn's work is a complement to Kinzser's. Daniel Boorstin's works are important for true American history. "The Creators", "The Discoverers", and "The Seekers" have a 4th entry, "Cleopatra's Nose"-essays on the unexpected consequences, and "Hidden History" aka US sponsored genocide for Dulles Bros. 1,000,000 dead Indonesians for USA's petroleum interests. 5,900,500 dead Asians w/59, 500 dead USA draftees and enlisted in VietNam.
I first heard Mr Kinzer interviewed by Terry Gross on NPR, I was intrigued and wanted to learn more. This interview is a real mind opener as to how our government policies were shaped then, and still, by the Dulles Brothers. One point that Kinzer made with Terry Gross is how stunned he was by the realization that history is made and moved by the psychology of single individuals, at times. I've seen this in companies--that the person/group at the top filters and picks those who make up the company valuing particular traits and points of view. I never thought about that on the scale of governments, countries and continents. I look forward to reading his book!
it all comes down to animal instincts. the elite who control everything that everyone says and does behave more like animals than anyone else. being rich kicks in all your animal instincts of being the dominant one in the pack and turns you evil. inequality is the greatest problem every generation has faced since civilization began and rich people are the source of all problems in the world. outlaw rich people, capitalism and replace it with a system where people do things based on the desire to help other people like communism, since the love of money is the root of all evil. i bet everyone reading this is under the impression that communism is evil rather than the solution to all the world's problems and that just goes to show the power of the capitalist elite.
@@dizzyboy352 communism could work... on a commune. In a western society it would lead to more death than the attempts we saw in the 20th century. The type of person that could successfully and fairly portion out G&S while appointing duties is about 1/10,000. If you think capitalism is rank with corruption, imagine how disproportionate things get under the best circumstances. What did your professors say about the failures of communism in the 20th century? lemme guess... everything would have been fine if those meddling Americans hadn't started economic hostilities with USSR. Nah.
One can observes this phenomenon too in the limited tv series IMPEACHMENT, specifically in the personage of Linda Tripp. One can also understand why the GOP despises the Clintons…they out-performed the GOP at their own game, albeit with understated elegance. IOW, the Clintons were/are professional politicians unlike the bumbling GOP. IMHO.
@@dizzyboy352 Capitalism works fairly well when applied with real Democracies. Of the 80 coups or election manipulations by USA, many were full democracies and USA will not have a Democracy in the same hemisphere as USA as Americans might get ideas and try democracy, too. Carter was advised to send death squads to south and central Americas but he was a real Christian aka Too Christian, he was against genocide (1983 Mayan Genocide as charged by The Hague). He was also allying with jihadists as it might come back to bite us.(see 9/11). Eisenhower told staff he did not want to be alone with either Dulles as they were nuts with their genocidal record and he needed witnesses to prove he wasn't nuts when sharing their desires and seeking safeguards.
The Economic Blockade that the United States imposed on Cuba, and which has been uninterrupted for more than 60 years, is the product of the revenge of the Dulles brothers against Fidel Castro, as a result of Castro expropriating the United Fruit Company (UFCO), more than 100,000 hectares of cultivation. Allen Dulles and his brother John Foster Dulles were a shareholder in UFCO, and were on the UFCO payroll for more than 30 years. Both demanded payment from the Cuban government for the land expropriated from the multinational, a ridiculously high amount, when the United Fruit Co. had obtained these large estates for $17 dollars per hectare and demanded compensation for $6,800 dollars per hectare. Castro was also asked to pay the cost of hotels, houses and casinos owned by the New York mafia and other figures of high politics in the US. As Cuba does not pay, the Economic Blockade continues. Now, 10 Presidents have passed in the White House, and the Blockade continues. If you want to know about the atrocities and massacres of the UFCO in Colombia, the Caribbean and Central America, consult Wikipedia: “Wars of the Banana Republics”. -- El Bloqueo Económico que los Estados Unidos impuso a Cuba, y que ya tiene más de 60 años ininterrumpidos, es producto de la revancha de los hermanos Dulles contra Fidel Castro, a consecuencia de que Castro le expropió a la United Fruit Company (UFCO), más de 100,000 hectáreas de cultivo. Allen Dulles y su hermano John Foster Dulles era accionista de la UFCO, y estuvieron en la nómina de la UFCO por más de 30 años. Ambos le reclamaba al Gobierno cubano el pago por las tierras expropiadas a la multinacional, una cantidad ridículamente alta, cuando la United Fruit Co. había obtenido estos latifundios por $17 dólares la hectárea y exigía una indemnización por $6,800 dólares por hectárea. También se le pedía a Castro que pagara el costo de los hoteles, fincas y casinos propiedad de la mafia de New York y de otros personajes de la alta política de los US. Como Cuba no paga, el Bloqueo Económico continúa. Han pasado 10 Presidentes en la Casa Blanca, y el Bloqueo continúa. Si quiere saber de las atrocidades y masacres de la UFCO en Colombia, Caribe y Centro América, consulte en Wikipedia: “Guerras de las Repúblicas Bananeras”.
For generations millions of harmless, hard working, honest, human beings have been hurt in so many ways beyond what human words could possibly describe. And the insults to the injuries are still going on even as we speak.
yep. so much harm inflicted by one or small amount of persons throughout history. you'd think todays hyper mass media internet and social networks would put an end to it by now but it continues mostly unabated.
I just came across this amazing man and his many books. He is incredible, I could listen to him all day. I just went to Barnes and Noble and purchased 5 of his books. The first one I'm reading is "The Brother".
What a terrific interview. I’ve got the book on my shelf but haven’t picked it up. I needed a swift kick and, by golly, this was it. Thank you. Ps. Now I’m going to the Terry Gross interview on Fresh Air.
yeah it's all animal instincts and human psychology. rich people are the source of all problems in the world and it seems like that combined with religion can turn anyone into the ultimate fool/tool. being rich turns you evil, then being a christian with how corrupted that religion got by the roman empire, indoctrinates you into magical thinking as chris hedges calls it and those two combined turns you into the ultimate tool and hypocrite.
Of course, Kinzer's knowledge is impressive, and he includes the government more in the CIA action than David Talbot did, this is a big plus. What makes me think critically of Kinzer is his allegedly "historical understanding" of the 50s. It was clear to every sound person back then, after witnessing the atrocities of two world wars and in the terminal phase of British colonialism, that intervention and overthrow of democratically elected foreign governments were morally, legally, and politically wrong, and in the long run just stupid and counter-productive. The very mural by Rivera Kinzer praises speaks out loud enough. The deeper cause behind the CIA actions seems to me, as a European and German, to be the jingoistic tradition in US foreign history visible in the dealing with native Americans, Mexico, Hawaii, and the Philippines since the 19th century, and going back up to the hypocritical and self-serving ideology of pseudo-liberalism at the very beginning of the USA which veiled an openly racist and genocidal ideology based on social Darwinism. The Dulles brothers are not like "we" are or have been or were, they are on the evil side of history, and they were already in their time. In this respect, I agree more with Talbot, Hedges, and Chomsky, among others, Chomsky being a good example for someone who had a clear view already 50 years ago. I do not speak of Andrew Carnegie and William James. You easily find decent and mentally sound people in all ages.
"The deeper cause behind the CIA actions seems to me, as a European and German, to be the jingoistic tradition in US foreign history..." The United States has always wanted to dominate? Gee. Man. Profound insight. That's what we love about you Germans. That deep penetration.
thank you Stephen Kinzer, an extraordinary if not unique US treasure and, of course, an enormous credit to the Watson Institute. Even this interview makes clear how crippled the US world view is by the narrow minded view of a privileged clique of provincial Americans. As English plutocrats of the highest status were fervent early supporters of Hitler the Dulles brothers were basically ignorant hicks, confident that if shop clerks in Moscow were in charge they had to be subverted? As Harry Truman, a shop clerk, could be made president of the United States, two well born religious zealots could rule the country. Class warfare is eternal, perhaps we should embrace and own it. One has to be concerned that when and if Americans ever wake up to what the world is really about it will be too late.
I’m wondering if the story of the Dulles brothers were made into a limited series on Netflix, would it open the eyes of many who would not otherwise know this important history?
I'm 75. I lived in the reality they created and never imagined the truth to be other than what Chet, David or Walter told me on the evening news. But all this was going on. Cynicism set in during the Reagan years.
they used every tactic under the sun against eisenhower shy of murder, because he was the general who won WWII, and they thought the country would riot if they assassinated him. eisenhower refused to allow the cia to do fascist operations in the united states, no matter the manipulation tactics. kennedy was a lower rank during WWII though so the cia had no problem murdering him.
@@dizzyboy352 And Eisenhower probably dealt with them quite adroitly, too. He gave not a hint as to the manner in which America had transformed well until his farewell address. No longer hindered by the threat of assassination prior to the completion of his term, he stated, loud and clear, "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes."
Some important revelations come out in this interview. There was disagreement between George Frost Kenan and the Dulles brothers. Kenan was an advisor in the Truman administration while the Dulles pair were players in the Eisenhower years. To get a better understanding of this distinction it looks like The Brothers would give a generational view of the disagreement. The Dulles view of government is representative of a 19th century world view. While The Kenan view is one of the early views of the new realities posed by the nuclear power realities. That war cannot be used without caution in a nuclear age. The Dulles view did not seem to take into account that the nuclear option could not just kill your enemy but effectively wipe out life on the planet. Period.
Can't get enough of this video... Knowing these 2 old white goats dead, one being disappointed in his son and another having dementia makes me so happy....hopedully their lineage meets some unfortunate tragic ends too
the clip of Foster Dulles spewing cold war propaganda was classic -takes me back to my long ago youth-the McCarthy "red scare,"who "lost" china" era..The usa is portrayed as "losing ground' to the war torn Soviet Union which lost 27 million people,even as the USA emerged from the war as the world's only economic superpower.
Go back a little further, WWs implementation of the Fed Reserve.. back to Andrew Jackson's fight against big banks.. Washington's fights againt the royal families.. ultimately evil has pervaded certain people and bloodlines for centuries if not millennia. But there has always been good to counter balance this, it only seems that the good is becoming more coherent/aware of the bad. If history is correct then this isn't far off?.. let me know what you think
24:00 as long as the airport is named Dulles not Marshall, the message is clear. I do like the idea of displaying the Rivera painting at the airport though.
The people interviewed here caused harm to honest and hard working citizens of the entire world for decades in a scale we cant even begin to comprehend and still going on to this day
The definition of exceptionalism that Mr Kinzinger gives is perfect from my standpoint , because to me this idea , of exceptionalism is ridiculous. Nobody denies that the U S is a great country , so “exceptionalism” is unnecessary and dumb .
Thank you for all your long hard work into your research on this topic Mr. Stephen Kizner it will help in the healing process of those nations cultural and economic self-esteem.
Did I miss something when he should have been talking about the traitorous activity and fascist sympathies of Allan Dulles in Switzerland as a double agent run by the Nazis during WWII? How about Dulles continuing to run the State Department from his townhouse in Georgetown after JFK fired him? This sounds like a limited hangout.
Mr Kinzer here doesn't mention John Foster Dulles' involvement in the foreign policy maker "Council on Foreign Relations", formed in 1921. This institution (C.F.R) is an offshoot of the Royal Institute of International Affairs based in Britain.
The three biggest threats I see to democracy are: 1.) The morbidly comfortable, 2.) The terminally secure, and 3.) The absolutely certain. I suppose these two gentlemen fit all three of these categories quite well.
That world view of the young Dulles, as described by Mr. Kinzer, more than Calvinism is really Manichaeism, which is the foundation where the philosophies of the Mason came from.
"......I can prophesy that your grandchildren will live under socialism. And please do no be afraid of that. Your grandchildren will........not understand how their grandparents did not understand the progressive nature of a socialist society." Premier of The Soviet Union, Nikita Khrushchev
The way I see it, if mankind wants to take this route, then it will learn the lessons specific to the route. A trial of fire which will likely burn very badly. Nothing, not even things who desire self preservation the most, will live forever.
The Elder Dulles called the Non-alignment of our PM Nehru, "immoral". I wonder whether he was also targeted like Sukarno of Indonesia and why he was not dethroned, by the Dulles brothers. Nehru was our PM till 1964, for a period of 17 years.
😂😂😂 The problem here is that these people belong to a bigger circle of global bankers……..so who are they……..that’s the real issue here……but…..the genius of these banking families is that they know how to spin the story and they have a patsy or patsies for every occasion…😂😂😂
The USA behaves the way it does because it is really ruled by an aristocracy that has deep ties to business interests, which they see as congruent with national interests. Things will never change until their lock on national policy is broken.
"It is now clear that we are facing an implacable enemy whose vowed objective is world domination by whatever means and at whatever cost. There are no rules in such a game. Hitherto acceptable norms of human conduct do not apply. If the United States is to survive, long-standing America concepts of "fair play" must be reconsidered. We must develop effective espionage services and must learn to subvert, sabotage and destroy our enemies by clever, more sophisticated and more effective methods that those used against US." Doolittle Report September 30, 1954
Allen Dulles was called "The Old" and as director of CIA he was known as a great fixer, an ingenious operator and directly influenced U.S. foreign policy using red flag and black operations.
"Then I will wander godlike and victorious Through the ruins of the world And, giving my words and active force, I will equal to the creator." Karl Marx (p.176; The Thomas Sowell Reader; SOWELL; Basic Books; 2011)
Calvinists escaped Vatican persecution in The New World: They didn't "develop" animosity toward the Catholic Church; it was intrinsic to their ideology. duh. 🙄
Martin Luther, a German, is credited with starting the Protestant Reformation in 1517 with writing 95 theses - said to have been nailed to a church door in Wittenberg - criticising the Catholic Church for selling forgiveness from sins for money.
Another NYT liberal that believes the socialists and the communists are the good guys. Even in the face of Castro admitting to executing thousands, he supports him with a deflection and a smile. It makes everything else he says suspect. There are no good guys in this story.
They also saved western Europe from communist subversion by funding social democratic parties and exposing Communist conspiracies through publications all funded covertly. You cannot blame the Dulles brothers for Khomeini that happened years later. Neither Dulles created the North Vietnamese Army. The Dulles fought the good fight under the most unimaginable political, economic and cultural threats of Soviet and Chinese Communism and bought time for the liberal world to recover from WW2 and the collapse of their empires. God bless their memory.
Are all of your interviews white males talking with white males with no other perspective? Even if you have a token woman or non-white male every once in a while, I think of the limited perspective you were putting out.… Perhaps without even knowing it. Young people don’t assume only old white men have something to say Of value. Broaden your horizons.
This snow flake of an author is totally wrong about the Dulles’s ( for the the most part ). Without them communism would be here in America. They feared it with huge reasons. We need them again.
They feared it because it was unknown to them. They didn’t truly understand it just like I believe many communist didn’t understand capitalism. It wasn’t from a place of wisdom or knowledge, but from a place of fear and uncertainty.
Thank you, Brian Lamb, for all your years on C-span and Stephen Kinszer for your books and journalism.
American history on all sides.
My brother Tommy Wayne Wheeler was on the USS Liberty Navel Ship AGTR-5, 1967, 6-day war. Remembering June 8, 1967.
General Smedley Buter, "War is a Racket." United Fruit Company, now Chiquita Bananas.
May we build a better understanding of history and world histories for the betterment of humanity for peace. Look at us now in 2024.
Excellent! I was born in Guatemala. I saw the political catastrophe for decades. I saw the misery and injustices. Mr. Kinzer research and talent brings light to the errors of the past. Let’s stop repeating them again and again.
I love Steve Kinzser Books. A great soul searching journalist full of research and truth to power
Howard Zinn's work is a complement to Kinzser's. Daniel Boorstin's works are important for true American history. "The Creators", "The Discoverers", and "The Seekers" have a 4th entry, "Cleopatra's Nose"-essays on the unexpected consequences, and "Hidden History" aka US sponsored genocide for Dulles Bros. 1,000,000 dead Indonesians for USA's petroleum interests. 5,900,500 dead Asians w/59, 500 dead USA draftees and enlisted in VietNam.
Important work. I find it really excellent. Surviving the Dulles Brothers.
Members of the KHAZARIAN MAFIA.
I first heard Mr Kinzer interviewed by Terry Gross on NPR, I was intrigued and wanted to learn more. This interview is a real mind opener as to how our government policies were shaped then, and still, by the Dulles Brothers. One point that Kinzer made with Terry Gross is how stunned he was by the realization that history is made and moved by the psychology of single individuals, at times. I've seen this in companies--that the person/group at the top filters and picks those who make up the company valuing particular traits and points of view. I never thought about that on the scale of governments, countries and continents. I look forward to reading his book!
it all comes down to animal instincts. the elite who control everything that everyone says and does behave more like animals than anyone else. being rich kicks in all your animal instincts of being the dominant one in the pack and turns you evil. inequality is the greatest problem every generation has faced since civilization began and rich people are the source of all problems in the world. outlaw rich people, capitalism and replace it with a system where people do things based on the desire to help other people like communism, since the love of money is the root of all evil. i bet everyone reading this is under the impression that communism is evil rather than the solution to all the world's problems and that just goes to show the power of the capitalist elite.
@@dizzyboy352 communism could work... on a commune. In a western society it would lead to more death than the attempts we saw in the 20th century. The type of person that could successfully and fairly portion out G&S while appointing duties is about 1/10,000. If you think capitalism is rank with corruption, imagine how disproportionate things get under the best circumstances. What did your professors say about the failures of communism in the 20th century? lemme guess... everything would have been fine if those meddling Americans hadn't started economic hostilities with USSR. Nah.
One can observes this phenomenon too in the limited tv series IMPEACHMENT, specifically in the personage of Linda Tripp. One can also understand why the GOP despises the Clintons…they out-performed the GOP at their own game, albeit with understated elegance. IOW, the Clintons were/are professional politicians unlike the bumbling GOP. IMHO.
@@dizzyboy352 Capitalism works fairly well when applied with real Democracies. Of the 80 coups or election manipulations by USA, many were full democracies and USA will not have a Democracy in the same hemisphere as USA as Americans might get ideas and try democracy, too. Carter was advised to send death squads to south and central Americas but he was a real Christian aka Too Christian, he was against genocide (1983 Mayan Genocide as charged by The Hague). He was also allying with jihadists as it might come back to bite us.(see 9/11). Eisenhower told staff he did not want to be alone with either Dulles as they were nuts with their genocidal record and he needed witnesses to prove he wasn't nuts when sharing their desires and seeking safeguards.
The Economic Blockade that the United States imposed on Cuba, and which has been uninterrupted for more than 60 years, is the product of the revenge of the Dulles brothers against Fidel Castro, as a result of Castro expropriating the United Fruit Company (UFCO), more than 100,000 hectares of cultivation. Allen Dulles and his brother John Foster Dulles were a shareholder in UFCO, and were on the UFCO payroll for more than 30 years. Both demanded payment from the Cuban government for the land expropriated from the multinational, a ridiculously high amount, when the United Fruit Co. had obtained these large estates for $17 dollars per hectare and demanded compensation for $6,800 dollars per hectare. Castro was also asked to pay the cost of hotels, houses and casinos owned by the New York mafia and other figures of high politics in the US. As Cuba does not pay, the Economic Blockade continues. Now, 10 Presidents have passed in the White House, and the Blockade continues. If you want to know about the atrocities and massacres of the UFCO in Colombia, the Caribbean and Central America, consult Wikipedia: “Wars of the Banana Republics”.
-- El Bloqueo Económico que los Estados Unidos impuso a Cuba, y que ya tiene más de 60 años ininterrumpidos, es producto de la revancha de los hermanos Dulles contra Fidel Castro, a consecuencia de que Castro le expropió a la United Fruit Company (UFCO), más de 100,000 hectáreas de cultivo. Allen Dulles y su hermano John Foster Dulles era accionista de la UFCO, y estuvieron en la nómina de la UFCO por más de 30 años. Ambos le reclamaba al Gobierno cubano el pago por las tierras expropiadas a la multinacional, una cantidad ridículamente alta, cuando la United Fruit Co. había obtenido estos latifundios por $17 dólares la hectárea y exigía una indemnización por $6,800 dólares por hectárea. También se le pedía a Castro que pagara el costo de los hoteles, fincas y casinos propiedad de la mafia de New York y de otros personajes de la alta política de los US. Como Cuba no paga, el Bloqueo Económico continúa. Han pasado 10 Presidentes en la Casa Blanca, y el Bloqueo continúa. Si quiere saber de las atrocidades y masacres de la UFCO en Colombia, Caribe y Centro América, consulte en Wikipedia: “Guerras de las Repúblicas Bananeras”.
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For generations millions of harmless, hard working, honest, human beings have been hurt in so many ways beyond what human words could possibly describe. And the insults to the injuries are still going on even as we speak.
yep. so much harm inflicted by one or small amount of persons throughout history. you'd think todays hyper mass media internet and social networks would put an end to it by now but it continues mostly unabated.
Sounds like you love it.
I just came across this amazing man and his many books. He is incredible, I could listen to him all day. I just went to Barnes and Noble and purchased 5 of his books. The first one I'm reading is "The Brother".
What a terrific interview. I’ve got the book on my shelf but haven’t picked it up. I needed a swift kick and, by golly, this was it. Thank you. Ps. Now I’m going to the Terry Gross interview on Fresh Air.
I read his book The bitter fruit, it was an insightful book. Americans are ignorant of USA involvement in other countries fate.
American ignorance is deliberately manufactured into them by the corporate oligarchs that manage their education.
Because Americans are "The good guys"?
Just the way they want it
Those Dulles brothers caused a lot of pain and suffering to many people of the world great book also.
There is a special rung in hell for Allen Dulles
Great author thank you
The world would be a much happier place without Dulles bro. types in it.
yeah it's all animal instincts and human psychology. rich people are the source of all problems in the world and it seems like that combined with religion can turn anyone into the ultimate fool/tool. being rich turns you evil, then being a christian with how corrupted that religion got by the roman empire, indoctrinates you into magical thinking as chris hedges calls it and those two combined turns you into the ultimate tool and hypocrite.
JFK should have ordered to put Dulles brothers in jail then investigated the CIA
@@Charles-hy6gp JFK threatened to splinter the C.I.A. up and you saw what happened.
@@Ronbo710 that was for going against the fed, like Lincoln and the other 2.
Plenty more where they came from.
Of course, Kinzer's knowledge is impressive, and he includes the government more in the CIA action than David Talbot did, this is a big plus. What makes me think critically of Kinzer is his allegedly "historical understanding" of the 50s. It was clear to every sound person back then, after witnessing the atrocities of two world wars and in the terminal phase of British colonialism, that intervention and overthrow of democratically elected foreign governments were morally, legally, and politically wrong, and in the long run just stupid and counter-productive. The very mural by Rivera Kinzer praises speaks out loud enough. The deeper cause behind the CIA actions seems to me, as a European and German, to be the jingoistic tradition in US foreign history visible in the dealing with native Americans, Mexico, Hawaii, and the Philippines since the 19th century, and going back up to the hypocritical and self-serving ideology of pseudo-liberalism at the very beginning of the USA which veiled an openly racist and genocidal ideology based on social Darwinism. The Dulles brothers are not like "we" are or have been or were, they are on the evil side of history, and they were already in their time. In this respect, I agree more with Talbot, Hedges, and Chomsky, among others, Chomsky being a good example for someone who had a clear view already 50 years ago. I do not speak of Andrew Carnegie and William James. You easily find decent and mentally sound people in all ages.
Plantagenets.... ie.
You also find the evil satanic KHAZARIAN MAFIA throughout the millenia. That's where all this comes from.
"The deeper cause behind the CIA actions seems to me, as a European and German, to be the jingoistic tradition in US foreign history..." The United States has always wanted to dominate? Gee. Man. Profound insight. That's what we love about you Germans. That deep penetration.
@@Frip36 Don’t need to be a dick about it.
The two talked like they owned the whole world
thank you Stephen Kinzer, an extraordinary if not unique US treasure and, of course, an enormous credit to the Watson Institute. Even this interview makes clear how crippled the US world view is by the narrow minded view of a privileged clique of provincial Americans. As English plutocrats of the highest status were fervent early supporters of Hitler the Dulles brothers were basically ignorant hicks, confident that if shop clerks in Moscow were in charge they had to be subverted? As Harry Truman, a shop clerk, could be made president of the United States, two well born religious zealots could rule the country. Class warfare is eternal, perhaps we should embrace and own it. One has to be concerned that when and if Americans ever wake up to what the world is really about it will be too late.
Even when these guys smile, it's still a frown.
Very interesting indeed!!! A genuine attempt to get lessons from history.
The interveiwer should give lectures on how’ to have an excellent interveiw!!!!
Amazing revelation of true history and individual roles in policy decisions.
I’m wondering if the story of the Dulles brothers were made into a limited series on Netflix, would it open the eyes of many who would not otherwise know this important history?
It would. But whoever writes it will go on a list.
I'm 75. I lived in the reality they created and never imagined the truth to be other than what Chet, David or Walter told me on the evening news.
But all this was going on. Cynicism set in during the Reagan years.
He forgot to add Kennedy to the list of leaders that were removed by Allen Dulles.
Truman didn't forget.
I would put my money that Dulles used blackmail on Eisenhower
they used every tactic under the sun against eisenhower shy of murder, because he was the general who won WWII, and they thought the country would riot if they assassinated him. eisenhower refused to allow the cia to do fascist operations in the united states, no matter the manipulation tactics. kennedy was a lower rank during WWII though so the cia had no problem murdering him.
@@dizzyboy352 And Eisenhower probably dealt with them quite adroitly, too. He gave not a hint as to the manner in which America had transformed well until his farewell address. No longer hindered by the threat of assassination prior to the completion of his term, he stated, loud and clear, "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes."
People who don't know about these should learn., It's never too late.
Some important revelations come out in this interview. There was disagreement between George Frost Kenan and the Dulles brothers.
Kenan was an advisor in the Truman administration while the Dulles pair were players in the Eisenhower years.
To get a better understanding of this distinction it looks like The Brothers would give a generational view of the disagreement.
The Dulles view of government is representative of a 19th century world view. While The Kenan view is one of the early views of the new realities posed by the nuclear power realities.
That war cannot be used without caution in a nuclear age.
The Dulles view did not seem to take into account that the nuclear option could not just kill your enemy but effectively wipe out life on the planet.
Period.
Part of their religion sees the end of civilization as inevitable and thus they may not have been afraid of such an idea.
Can't get enough of this video... Knowing these 2 old white goats dead, one being disappointed in his son and another having dementia makes me so happy....hopedully their lineage meets some unfortunate tragic ends too
Good job!!
They are still impacting our history
"THEY" have been for millenia. If people would only do their homework. Khazarian mafia.
the clip of Foster Dulles spewing cold war propaganda was classic -takes me back to my long ago youth-the McCarthy "red scare,"who "lost" china" era..The usa is portrayed as "losing ground' to the war torn Soviet Union which lost 27 million people,even as the USA emerged from the war as the world's only economic superpower.
Fascinating
Henry Wallace should have been President....They are the reason we have so much turmoil in the World...
Wallace was pro-Soviet. He would sell the country to Stalin
Go back a little further, WWs implementation of the Fed Reserve.. back to Andrew Jackson's fight against big banks.. Washington's fights againt the royal families.. ultimately evil has pervaded certain people and bloodlines for centuries if not millennia. But there has always been good to counter balance this, it only seems that the good is becoming more coherent/aware of the bad. If history is correct then this isn't far off?.. let me know what you think
@@quangcaodo8864 beats being pro Nazi.
Does the interviewer have a pulse?
The Dulles brothers did exactly what their corporate donors wanted
@@Jj-gi2uv They were no such thing,they were political operatives.Consult a dictionary to understand the definition of corporation. 🐎🐎🐎🇭🇲🇭🇲🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@Jj-gi2uv No they weren't. They were very privileged white Bois. But they did not own the means of production. They worked for the people who did.
The KHAZARIAN MAFIA.
@@blueponypics4112 they were members of KHAZARIAN MAFIA as are all the evil we are still fighting today.
Seems like they wanted it too lol.
24:00 as long as the airport is named Dulles not Marshall, the message is clear.
I do like the idea of displaying the Rivera painting at the airport though.
Wow talk about history repeating itself.
Really great ‘ pointed ‘ interveiw’..
The people interviewed here caused harm to honest and hard working citizens of the entire world for decades in a scale we cant even begin to comprehend and still going on to this day
The definition of exceptionalism that Mr Kinzinger gives is perfect from my standpoint , because to me this idea , of exceptionalism is ridiculous. Nobody denies that the U S is a great country , so “exceptionalism” is unnecessary and dumb .
Thank you for all your long hard work into your research on this topic Mr. Stephen Kizner it will help in the healing process of those nations cultural and economic self-esteem.
GREAT
WHEN THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO DEMOLISH THAT FRIGGIN STATUE? AND REMOVE HIS NAME.
Those Damn Brothers! 😎
Knowing what we know about these bros, why do we still have the airport named after Dulles?
This is wild. Blowing my mind. I can't believe I've never heard of these guys. So evil wow
I’m stating to actually think somebody wanted people not to remember them.
Did I miss something when he should have been talking about the traitorous activity and fascist sympathies of Allan Dulles in Switzerland as a double agent run by the Nazis during WWII? How about Dulles continuing to run the State Department from his townhouse in Georgetown after JFK fired him? This sounds like a limited hangout.
they were "hired" to do that.
Critical American History right here
Quite useful.
Warren Commission….
You're either with us , or against us, spoken even in the past few yeas !
“He would read a detective novel while she knitted… that was the extent of their wildness “ ahh the good old days…
Wow! what a revealing interview - very interesting. So American foreign policy today is all due to the mean spirit of the Dulles Brothers?
And the parallel Deep State government that usurps the rights of American presidents and citizens.
No. These policies persisted through Carter, Obama... the USA is a fascist oppressor, period. Needs to dissolve like USSR.
Mr Kinzer here doesn't mention John Foster Dulles' involvement in the foreign policy maker "Council on Foreign Relations", formed in 1921. This institution (C.F.R) is an offshoot of the Royal Institute of International Affairs based in Britain.
Looted Guatemalan relics in Dulles's house.
The three biggest threats I see to democracy are:
1.) The morbidly comfortable,
2.) The terminally secure, and
3.) The absolutely certain.
I suppose these two gentlemen fit all three of these categories quite well.
Perhaps, both brothers held their masters worldview.
hey, Journalism done by journalists.
What a concept.
That world view of the young Dulles, as described by Mr. Kinzer, more than Calvinism is really Manichaeism, which is the foundation where the philosophies of the Mason came from.
Read Whitney Webb also
"......I can prophesy that your grandchildren will live under socialism. And please do no be afraid of that. Your grandchildren will........not understand how their grandparents did not understand the progressive nature of a socialist society."
Premier of The Soviet Union, Nikita Khrushchev
Well our oligarchs put a stop to that progression.
Can't happen soon enough.
The way I see it, if mankind wants to take this route, then it will learn the lessons specific to the route. A trial of fire which will likely burn very badly. Nothing, not even things who desire self preservation the most, will live forever.
In Kinzer witness the ESTP type in its full glory.
The original Dr. Evils
The Elder Dulles called the Non-alignment of our PM Nehru, "immoral".
I wonder whether he was also targeted like Sukarno of Indonesia and why he was not dethroned, by the Dulles brothers. Nehru was our PM till 1964, for a period of 17 years.
UK probably forbade it.
44:45
32:38
American Home Grown Fascism !
Lets dig them up from their graves don’t let them rest in peace
I had a 1080p camera and television in the early 2000s. Why is this in 720P at best unless, of course, you're going to deep fake this later.
Seriously the question to Stephen is like an insult, where did the Dulles brother go to school😂, what do they do ( 😳)
29:00
They are rotting in helll now!
😂😂😂 The problem here is that these people belong to a bigger circle of global bankers……..so who are they……..that’s the real issue here……but…..the genius of these banking families is that they know how to spin the story and they have a patsy or patsies for every occasion…😂😂😂
American arrogance
The USA behaves the way it does because it is really ruled by an aristocracy that has deep ties to business interests, which they see as congruent with national interests.
Things will never change until their lock on national policy is broken.
Dulles was a damnable world policeman.The many affairs ? He was certainly no matinee idol but power makes women's panties fall off i guess.
50:00 ".... 'Clover' Dulles, the wife of Allen ..." -- Same name as the wife in "The Good Shepard", supposedly about James Jesus Angleton. Maybe not!
Nine years later the system turns on us.
Brothers& lawyers. Says it all.
9:00 maybe that was their goal, no?
"It is now clear that we are facing an implacable enemy whose vowed objective is world domination by whatever means and at whatever cost. There are no rules in such a game. Hitherto acceptable norms of human conduct do not apply. If the United States is to survive, long-standing America concepts of "fair play" must be reconsidered. We must develop effective espionage services and must learn to subvert, sabotage and destroy our enemies by clever, more sophisticated and more effective methods that those used against US."
Doolittle Report September 30, 1954
Allen Dulles was called "The Old" and as director of CIA he was known as a great fixer, an ingenious operator and directly influenced U.S. foreign policy using red flag and black operations.
"Then I will wander godlike and victorious
Through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words and active force,
I will equal to the creator."
Karl Marx
(p.176; The Thomas Sowell Reader; SOWELL; Basic Books; 2011)
Sowell is a charlatan who sold his soul to paymasters that wanted a token minority to spout propaganda that serves the interests of the status quo.
Typical KHAZARIAN thinking.
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The Dulles brothers lost their souls in Princeton a Darwinian institution
Losing your soul is an essential course requirement in elite Murican schools.
And in 1947 John Foster Dulles thought that nuclear weapons were un-Christian.
Perfectly reasonable view, imho……
39:00 #HenryLuce was as bad as Hearst.
From Dulles to Dallas is jU$t a few Do££ars.
Dulles ruined this Nation.
F Nazis.
Calvinists escaped Vatican persecution in The New World: They didn't "develop" animosity toward the Catholic Church; it was intrinsic to their ideology. duh. 🙄
Martin Luther, a German, is credited with starting the Protestant Reformation in 1517 with writing 95 theses - said to have been nailed to a church door in Wittenberg - criticising the Catholic Church for selling forgiveness from sins for money.
Satanists all of them -
This is shockingly toothless.
Instead, I'd consider you shockingly brainless.
@@StellarFella 👏👏👏 agreed, and is that a large angry chip on yr shoulder?🐎🐎🐎🇭🇲🇭🇲🇺🇸🇺🇸
It's Cspan. What kind of edge were you expecting them to have?
@@Praisethesunson I know that was a rhetorical question but actually I've seen some real fire on C-Span.
God what horrible people
Another NYT liberal that believes the socialists and the communists are the good guys. Even in the face of Castro admitting to executing thousands, he supports him with a deflection and a smile. It makes everything else he says suspect. There are no good guys in this story.
They also saved western Europe from communist subversion by funding social democratic parties and exposing Communist conspiracies through publications all funded covertly. You cannot blame the Dulles brothers for Khomeini that happened years later. Neither Dulles created the North Vietnamese Army. The Dulles fought the good fight under the most unimaginable political, economic and cultural threats of Soviet and Chinese Communism and bought time for the liberal world to recover from WW2 and the collapse of their empires. God bless their memory.
They're nazies dude stop
Are all of your interviews white males talking with white males with no other perspective? Even if you have a token woman or non-white male every once in a while, I think of the limited perspective you were putting out.… Perhaps without even knowing it. Young people don’t assume only old white men have something to say Of value. Broaden your horizons.
I have no interest in women's views... older men have a lot experience and knowns... stop whining.
After listening to this video a few times I really realize that this guy has a serious anti-American sentiment about him
Do extensive research before publishing such utter nonsense.
I did.
Are you saying Kinzer didn't? What makes you more of an expert than him?
This snow flake of an author is totally wrong about the Dulles’s ( for the the most part ). Without them communism would be here in America. They feared it with huge reasons. We need them again.
Hell waits for your kin
They feared it because it was unknown to them. They didn’t truly understand it just like I believe many communist didn’t understand capitalism. It wasn’t from a place of wisdom or knowledge, but from a place of fear and uncertainty.