I like this format. I wonder if showing his thought process first would be more instructive. If we see yours first, we kinda have the answers - and when we see his, we're like "that was dumb, man!". BUT, If we see his first, we're going to be like "yea, sure, that makes sense to me" (assuming we're all closer to his rating). But, when we see YOUR commentary, we're like aaaahhhhh.... that's why. And that flow feels more instructive. my 2 cents. Cheers!
Agreed. I think this format works better when the lower rated player gives their rationale first so then we have a chance to agree or disagree and guess a better move before the stronger player reveals an answer.
This is a dreadful idea! This way we hear the 1400 and we're like 'ok yeah that makes sense' then we hear the 2200 and we're like 'oh, ok no i'm dumb'. My ego gets enough of a hit playing chess without getting hit watching chess :D
@@jellymathBad grammar but essentially strong players find better moves that the opponent could use than what the opponent actually uses. When the opponent is normal, that is.
This is a cool ass concept. I’ve actually never personally watched anything like this. Highly enjoyable as well as instructive. Thanks to you both. I’m about to sub to Jonathan.
Great content. I would love to see more like this. It's really cool to see you pointing things out and him not realizing it. It really shows the difference in player level.
ChessAmigo is awesome! His reactions are genuinely funny and he actually is pretty good. If he sticks with it, he's going to be a good player. Loved this video
@emranahmed5711 Even though I’ve played many games, you are correct, I still rely on intuition. I need to practice calculating variations three moves and beyond.
@@chessamigoagree man, i even had to change my time controls to 15+10 cuz i actually had problem with my time if playing 10+0 cuz i was thinking longer for some moves that'll end up me being against time skirmish
@@chessamigoYour resourcefulness was impressive however you needed the backing of tactical depth if you were to create any serious problems for your opponent (one example is reserving Rd7 at 23:27 and playing Qb5 with Qf1 perpetual threat). Despite being down a piece you put up good resistance, well done.
very interesting type of content/concept. Was so glad when you went for the rook fork, i was seing that a couple moves in advance and thought it looked neat. A bit surprised he didnt see that at 1400 but then again it's always so much easier to spectate as well as seing the moves from an attacking perspective.
Right, but h5 also creates a weakness that white can exploit with g4. So it is also essential for black to create counter play by striking in the centre. Doesnt make sense to play an aggressive opening like the Pirc and then play defensively.
I think the right thing to do would've to just let him take it, then you take it back with the f pawn, this way you don't damage your structure beyond help(like you can still castle that way) and you get one extra move to develop a piece or do something else which could help you gain some advantage.
Hey man. I was wondering if you would consider making a video about how to effectively learn to convert winning positions with equal material. Can't find any good videos about that. I'm an adult improver, playing since 4 years and am rated around 1800 FIDE. In classical OTB games I would often have great positions in the middle game against higher rated players. Often something like +3 or +4 according to the engine, while having equal material. but then I usually struggle to convert that advantage. I started working on my calculation/visualization by looking at similiar positions with winning combinations from GM games and it did help a little bit, but I was wondering what else I could do to get better at this specific thing. Would be cool, if you would consider doing a video on that topic one day. Anyway, thanks for all the content. Really like your channel, lots of dense information and really helpful content. Keep it up and all the best!
Long time watcher of this channel content but now subscriber because of this video. I think Nelson is on to something original & instructive here. Hope we get to see a lot more content like this with different ratings. I think seeing some post game commentary on his opponents thought process would be instructive as well.
Loved the format! I was thinking of wanting to find something like this cuz it fascinated me to think of how different minds think about the same position and how to go about it.
His a7 pawn was never hanging as he can trap the bishop with b6 after bishop takes pawn very good video 👍 He actually ends up saying that in the vudeo later on
Very interesting video concept, please do more of these! Its interesting to see the different thoughts and strategies between different levels. Just subscribed :)
if you like this format of people talking their thoughts through their moves separate from their opponents, there was an older BBC show that you will really like that has many episodes uploaded to youtube called The Master Game.
It is great to see him anticipating and doing moves that were not expected. Usually you have the feeling that 2,200 do see everything, but they clearly don't. Other big take-away: anticipating with 3+ moves vs direct game.
This is an excellent format. Very informative. With this game in the bag as a baseline, it offers a good opportunity to explore differences in time control. Try a 15+10 game and see if it noticeably improves his game play. Also, Nelson could agree to a tighter control and manually track it (maybe agreeing to not ever go below 10m on clock).
A slightly longer time control would also be interesting or even a friendly game with take backs, because here it was he just didn't calculate a tactic and the game was mostly over at that point. While in many ways far less important at the 1400 level given games are decided by dropping pieces and pawns the bigger difference is almost definitely when it comes to positional understanding and strategic play where you'll have extremely different things to say than he does.
When deciding which knight to lose, I would have forked the queen and rook, forcing the king out. I doubt it's a better move, but whenever I walk into a tactic (frequently) I go into spite mode.
Are you making a series like this? I think it's really insightful to show both sides of thought. Perhaps you just figured this out yourself.. either way , more please boss. ((make sure your opponent can produce decent sound :P))
Now imagine the difference between 2200 and 3000+ elo, levels... Anyway in this video, its interesting. Because the 1400 thinks exactly like me and other 1400 elos lmao
It's logical move right, we tend to think what's logical in our eyes, also relying on intuition (for example the situation on whcih knight to take in the vid), but when we fave against master players like nelson, we realize they tend to calculate all possibilities and end it on our moves, not theirs, interesting ngl
@@mrnobody1546 yep, true. Thats why they also take some time to move in rapid games. Because they actually calculate. But 1200-1600s just move from instinct and what they think is "right"
@@MelloRoadToMaster I wouldn't say 1200-1600s don't calculate as much as can't calculate every move given time constraints and aren''t always good at figuring which positions are safe versus which ones require more calculation. When Jonathan loses the knight it is easy to look at the previous position as all his pieces are defended and on his side of the board, there are no checks, okay probably not any tactical shots so he should move quickly. Then Nelson plays f4 and it is oops. Worth noting is that as soon as he moves the knight not all the heuristics are true anymore, but it is easy to not think about that because they are all true currently and he was planning on retreating the knight afterwards.
@@qazzaqstan yeah I might have a wrong interpretation of your reply but, 1200-1600s have the potential to calculate well... But they just dont. And they dont actually check the opponents plan most of the time and alot even blunder a simple discovered check.
@@MelloRoadToMaster So walking into a tactic they’d see instantly if their opponent gave them the same opportunity because they are completely ignoring what their opponent wants to do and can make their own threats happens too. For me at least there is still a different problem I was referring to. In a 10 minute game I have time to really stop and calculate 3-4 times over the course of the game. So I need to use a handful of heuristics to determine if it is a time I should carefully think or if I can safely play intuitively and only briefly double check everything. If I’m wrong about the nature of the position I might walk into something or miss my own tactical shot simply because if doesn’t occur to me that it is the type of position I should be looking for it and I can’t spend a lot of time on positions nothing is likely to be there.
At first I mixed up who was the NM and who was the 1400 and I was VERY confused because the 1400 seemed to have a way more coherent and detailed understanding of the position. But yeah, great video. I think this is a great approach for coaches to use in training. Have your student record their thought process live during the game, do the same, then analyze & compare together after.
my elo is prolly 1100 idk i dont really play much but i am seeing moves that could be better from both parties such as on 6:20 i think knight f2 would be interesing as king will have to take the knight making is messier for white and on 4:23 black knight takes bishop ,white rook takes black knight..and black bishop to g4 ...white will have to save queen and sacrifice rook...i wonder if i am great or am i missing smtg..i havent watched full video yet..i might be mistaken so dont jump at me
Interesting, after moving the queen realizing the knight was lost, he thought he had to take back with the knight or hed be losing material, not realizing when he moved to open up the castle that it simultaneously defended the knight. He could have taken with bishop but either didnt see it or didnt see the knight defended.
7:00 how about put the knight on f2 forking queen and rook so if you want to take the knight you have to put your king in an akward position and then save your other knight?
1400: "hey i got a descent attack"
2200: "I m not worried by this"
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I like this format. I wonder if showing his thought process first would be more instructive. If we see yours first, we kinda have the answers - and when we see his, we're like "that was dumb, man!". BUT, If we see his first, we're going to be like "yea, sure, that makes sense to me" (assuming we're all closer to his rating). But, when we see YOUR commentary, we're like aaaahhhhh.... that's why. And that flow feels more instructive. my 2 cents. Cheers!
Just let him start as white and hear his thoughts first. Move for move.
Agreed. I think this format works better when the lower rated player gives their rationale first so then we have a chance to agree or disagree and guess a better move before the stronger player reveals an answer.
Great suggestion
@@joesweeney1712 Da wisdom of da crowds, ya feel me dawg?
This is a dreadful idea! This way we hear the 1400 and we're like 'ok yeah that makes sense' then we hear the 2200 and we're like 'oh, ok no i'm dumb'. My ego gets enough of a hit playing chess without getting hit watching chess :D
The difference between a a strong player vs normal players, stronger players tend to look much better moves for their opponent
Ya 👍right
SO TRUE
they what
@@jellymathBad grammar but essentially strong players find better moves that the opponent could use than what the opponent actually uses. When the opponent is normal, that is.
Bruh that's why they are strong ,
I wanna see an entire series of this. Playing people rated at 50 point increments starting from 1000
would watch this
Second this, i wish there was a clear skill set for each 100pt rating range
@krispe2512 that’s a really interesting idea! I might have to try that out and reach out to stronger players. Do you want to play a match against me?
yes please
+1
This is a cool ass concept. I’ve actually never personally watched anything like this. Highly enjoyable as well as instructive. Thanks to you both. I’m about to sub to Jonathan.
Great content. I would love to see more like this. It's really cool to see you pointing things out and him not realizing it. It really shows the difference in player level.
Great idea absolutely love the concept. I’m sure you’ll be able to sort the audio disparity in future videos.
ChessAmigo is awesome! His reactions are genuinely funny and he actually is pretty good. If he sticks with it, he's going to be a good player. Loved this video
Cool new concept Nelson!
Agreed. Very useful to hear both sides.
Agreed. I’d love to see more of this.
Any of y’all want to play some chess matches?
i am a 1700 to
The main difference is a normal player plays almost all moves relying on intuition not precise calculation.
@emranahmed5711 Even though I’ve played many games, you are correct, I still rely on intuition. I need to practice calculating variations three moves and beyond.
@@chessamigoagree man, i even had to change my time controls to 15+10 cuz i actually had problem with my time if playing 10+0 cuz i was thinking longer for some moves that'll end up me being against time skirmish
@@chessamigoYour resourcefulness was impressive however you needed the backing of tactical depth if you were to create any serious problems for your opponent (one example is reserving Rd7 at 23:27 and playing Qb5 with Qf1 perpetual threat). Despite being down a piece you put up good resistance, well done.
@@joeyblogsy Agree. I don't do any opening prep, but plan on doing so this year. I just haven't seen as many things.
Great video and this answers a question that most 1400-1600 players ask themselves frequently 👍👍👍
Other than being a great Chess teacher, Nelson is also a very creative and thoughtful content creator.
very interesting type of content/concept.
Was so glad when you went for the rook fork, i was seing that a couple moves in advance and thought it looked neat. A bit surprised he didnt see that at 1400 but then again it's always so much easier to spectate as well as seing the moves from an attacking perspective.
This whole game went bad because he failed to play h5. I never let my opponent push h4-h5 if I can stop it with h7-h5
Right, but h5 also creates a weakness that white can exploit with g4. So it is also essential for black to create counter play by striking in the centre. Doesnt make sense to play an aggressive opening like the Pirc and then play defensively.
I think the right thing to do would've to just let him take it, then you take it back with the f pawn, this way you don't damage your structure beyond help(like you can still castle that way) and you get one extra move to develop a piece or do something else which could help you gain some advantage.
Man these ones are pretty good! Im so happy to have found your channel, it really shows a lot of the technique behind chess. Thanks for your work! 🙏
I think you have potential to do something special here. An entire series of this would take off.
This video is excellent! Please share more content like this, Nelson!
Do lots more of these. What a terrific learning tool. Kudos
Hey man. I was wondering if you would consider making a video about how to effectively learn to convert winning positions with equal material. Can't find any good videos about that.
I'm an adult improver, playing since 4 years and am rated around 1800 FIDE. In classical OTB games I would often have great positions in the middle game against higher rated players. Often something like +3 or +4 according to the engine, while having equal material. but then I usually struggle to convert that advantage. I started working on my calculation/visualization by looking at similiar positions with winning combinations from GM games and it did help a little bit, but I was wondering what else I could do to get better at this specific thing.
Would be cool, if you would consider doing a video on that topic one day.
Anyway, thanks for all the content. Really like your channel, lots of dense information and really helpful content. Keep it up and all the best!
Long time watcher of this channel content but now subscriber because of this video. I think Nelson is on to something original & instructive here. Hope we get to see a lot more content like this with different ratings. I think seeing some post game commentary on his opponents thought process would be instructive as well.
amazing format, really enjoyed that one!
Loved the format! I was thinking of wanting to find something like this cuz it fascinated me to think of how different minds think about the same position and how to go about it.
Me watching this with 100 elo 🤧
Nelson: [actually thinks]
Jonathan: "Wait, what?!"
This was a VERY INTERESTING video! I totally loved it. I hope you do more of this kind
His a7 pawn was never hanging as he can trap the bishop with b6 after bishop takes pawn very good video 👍 He actually ends up saying that in the vudeo later on
"surely it doesnt matter what knight we take with" top 10 anime moments shortly before disaster
This is great content! This was super helpful and entertaining. Props to your Opponent for playing very resilient. I would love to see more of this.
Very interesting video concept, please do more of these! Its interesting to see the different thoughts and strategies between different levels. Just subscribed :)
This needs to be a regular thing! I'd even like the live stream details and become a subscriber.
if you like this format of people talking their thoughts through their moves separate from their opponents, there was an older BBC show that you will really like that has many episodes uploaded to youtube called The Master Game.
I really like this video. This was really helpful
It is great to see him anticipating and doing moves that were not expected. Usually you have the feeling that 2,200 do see everything, but they clearly don't.
Other big take-away: anticipating with 3+ moves vs direct game.
Love this format!! My son and I actually wanted to try this live over the board but never really did it - too many mind games would happen.
Such a good format. Very instructive. Well done!
This is so original. I love this. I wish more people would do this video idea
This is like watching a well directed movie about a situation experienced through the POVs of opposing characters
I love these style of videos, thank you for making me a better thinker in Chess!
This is an excellent format. Very informative. With this game in the bag as a baseline, it offers a good opportunity to explore differences in time control. Try a 15+10 game and see if it noticeably improves his game play. Also, Nelson could agree to a tighter control and manually track it (maybe agreeing to not ever go below 10m on clock).
Great format! I would love some more of this.
At 7:00 best move for black was knight to F2.
King would have to take it and won't be able to castle anymore.
6:58 What about a fun move like gNf2. Puts pressure on the queen. Has to recapture with the king and can no longer castle.
Rxh7 move was sick, ended the game right away, powerful, simple, classy.
Lot of candidates and for each one full calculation till quiescence.
That will make you 2200.big thanks.
Excellent idea!!! Bravoooo! I would love to see many more of these!
great concept for a video, really enjoyed that
"I could do just nothing "😂 that os most cases my thought process too😂😂😂
Great video, but Jonathan's audio was so quiet in comparison to yours.
More videos like this,that was so interesting,original and helpful ❤❤
13:17 qf5 looked mwah
A slightly longer time control would also be interesting or even a friendly game with take backs, because here it was he just didn't calculate a tactic and the game was mostly over at that point. While in many ways far less important at the 1400 level given games are decided by dropping pieces and pawns the bigger difference is almost definitely when it comes to positional understanding and strategic play where you'll have extremely different things to say than he does.
The difference is: VISION!
You just see so much more... Imagine Magnus!
Can you make sure the audio is in stereo mode for the next times? It's kinda disturbing. Good concept overall I like this one
this is SUCH GOOD content... please more of this!!
@7:45 I can verify that as a 1400 player myself, when he moved the Queen, he wasn’t aware that the knight was now defended by her.
That tactic with the rook on the 15th min was something.
When deciding which knight to lose, I would have forked the queen and rook, forcing the king out. I doubt it's a better move, but whenever I walk into a tactic (frequently) I go into spite mode.
Cool concept. It would be even better if you had a GM commenting the moves
Awesome video, please do more of these!
Now i got it why I couldn't hear the opponent. He was in the left earphone, and I only have the right one functioning now.
What a brilliant concept!!
This is really good content for me as I just started playing last month and I'm trying to learn how to think about chess.
this is a super interesting video concept
Are you making a series like this? I think it's really insightful to show both sides of thought. Perhaps you just figured this out yourself.. either way , more please boss. ((make sure your opponent can produce decent sound :P))
i'm sorry i refuse to believe that 1400s miss that fork...
Really helpful to see the thought process for both players. It was the 'Wait, sorry what!?' 🤦🏻♂for me 😂
Now imagine the difference between 2200 and 3000+ elo, levels...
Anyway in this video, its interesting. Because the 1400 thinks exactly like me and other 1400 elos lmao
It's logical move right, we tend to think what's logical in our eyes, also relying on intuition (for example the situation on whcih knight to take in the vid), but when we fave against master players like nelson, we realize they tend to calculate all possibilities and end it on our moves, not theirs, interesting ngl
@@mrnobody1546 yep, true. Thats why they also take some time to move in rapid games. Because they actually calculate. But 1200-1600s just move from instinct and what they think is "right"
@@MelloRoadToMaster I wouldn't say 1200-1600s don't calculate as much as can't calculate every move given time constraints and aren''t always good at figuring which positions are safe versus which ones require more calculation.
When Jonathan loses the knight it is easy to look at the previous position as all his pieces are defended and on his side of the board, there are no checks, okay probably not any tactical shots so he should move quickly. Then Nelson plays f4 and it is oops. Worth noting is that as soon as he moves the knight not all the heuristics are true anymore, but it is easy to not think about that because they are all true currently and he was planning on retreating the knight afterwards.
@@qazzaqstan yeah I might have a wrong interpretation of your reply but, 1200-1600s have the potential to calculate well... But they just dont.
And they dont actually check the opponents plan most of the time and alot even blunder a simple discovered check.
@@MelloRoadToMaster So walking into a tactic they’d see instantly if their opponent gave them the same opportunity because they are completely ignoring what their opponent wants to do and can make their own threats happens too.
For me at least there is still a different problem I was referring to. In a 10 minute game I have time to really stop and calculate 3-4 times over the course of the game. So I need to use a handful of heuristics to determine if it is a time I should carefully think or if I can safely play intuitively and only briefly double check everything. If I’m wrong about the nature of the position I might walk into something or miss my own tactical shot simply because if doesn’t occur to me that it is the type of position I should be looking for it and I can’t spend a lot of time on positions nothing is likely to be there.
This is great. It's like a video version of the amateurs mind by silman
Dude this was awesome
This Good Experience ❤ Pls, regular upload such kind of videos 🙏 It's good Learning content for Lower rated players.. 🙏 Thanks
Stellar content. Hopefully a new series. 🙏
I expected to hear Gotham 'ME SEE PIECE! ME TAKE!'
At first I mixed up who was the NM and who was the 1400 and I was VERY confused because the 1400 seemed to have a way more coherent and detailed understanding of the position.
But yeah, great video. I think this is a great approach for coaches to use in training. Have your student record their thought process live during the game, do the same, then analyze & compare together after.
Lol, how did the 1400 seem to have a more detailed understanding?
@@MinotaurvsCyclops the person i initially thought was the 1400 based on the thumbnail was the NM
This is a really cool series idea
That pawn miss click almost get brilliant in how it turned out for him. 😂
Really liking this format.
Great video! Jonathan played really good!
Should have a convo with the guy after and go over the game abit!
As a beginner watching this, its mind blowing
This is a good concept. You should do this with Hikaru and Gotham. It would be very informational.
Chess amigo is such a wholesome nickname.
Great content idea👌
This is super helpful!
Why can I only hear the 1400 elo dude with my left ear 😂
12:20 yes indeed "getting check mated" is a way to "lose games", not only in this case :)
Do more of this please.
my elo is prolly 1100 idk i dont really play much but i am seeing moves that could be better from both parties such as on 6:20 i think knight f2 would be interesing as king will have to take the knight making is messier for white and on 4:23 black knight takes bishop ,white rook takes black knight..and black bishop to g4 ...white will have to save queen and sacrifice rook...i wonder if i am great or am i missing smtg..i havent watched full video yet..i might be mistaken so dont jump at me
This another informative content by yours sir😊
7:10 Knight E3? Attacking the queen? Later could be protected with other knight
More like this please!
Interesting, after moving the queen realizing the knight was lost, he thought he had to take back with the knight or hed be losing material, not realizing when he moved to open up the castle that it simultaneously defended the knight. He could have taken with bishop but either didnt see it or didnt see the knight defended.
Best chest commentator on the web
Thianis such a nice idea of videos!!!
Maybe a 15 or 30 min game might relieve the time pressure aspect and to see the likes of this game to completion?
The 2200 rated player thinks and calculates every move
The 1400 rated player is just like "the knight goes brrr :)"
A year and he is 1400. Me 3 years now and i never go over 700. Good.
GREAT CONTENT BRO!
There are 1400 players that will run circles around 1800 players..
Oh yeah, some 1800's fail at being 1800's 😂
"wait what? is there a reason for that"😭
7:00 how about put the knight on f2 forking queen and rook so if you want to take the knight you have to put your king in an akward position and then save your other knight?