Should Ferrari have BEATEN Red Bull at Monza?
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There are a few theories floating around that Ferrari COULD have beaten Red Bull at Monza this year, but if they couldn't beat them, was there more on the table? Let's walk through some telemetry and race data to understand what happened this weekend. We even need to have a look at qualifying...
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Right now there is a guy driving at RB and his name is Max Verstappen. The question could also be "Is there anybody in the universe able to beat Max?". It seems that Max simply toys around with other drivers. Even when he was behind Charles the first laps he said on the boardradio no problem or something. The amount of self convidence Max has is off the charts.
I mean you've got what's possibly the most consistent driver in F1 history in the best car on the grid and Max knows that. So he's just gonna let his opponent melt his tires desperately trying to defend and continue his dominance. He has no reason to be anxious and he plays it cool until the checkered flag.
I really want all of the f1 drivers on something like an Indy car grid for a year so we can get an answer to this question. F1 has drivers as the face of the sport but it’s really mostly a battle between the engineers. Like, is Max the best driver on the grid? Probably. By how much? No idea bro, I know he’s way better than Perez but that’s all I know for sure
@@RobertSears95 i firmly believe it's impossible to know who the best driver is, there are simply too many factors.
@@RobertSears95we don't really know how close the cars came together since the new regulations. Even in Indy you have some teams that get better results out of similar regulations (e.g., Ganassi vs. Carpenter). Could be a reason why Mercedes doesn't want a balance of performance (thinking evil for a second).
I think you can put drivers like Alonso and Verstappen in a similar category. Most of the others fall short compared to them in at least 1 category.
You mean behind Carlos
The fact that Max could not get Sainz on the straight by trying so many times and being so close and he overtook him after the first chicane due to a mistake from Sainz shows that Ferrari we’re
Mighty in the straights and there was no way to get them on the straight which is the place to overtake.
Even Perez got so frustrated after Ferrari top speed was giving him hell all through the race
Yeah Ferrari were great on the straight, but people often make mistakes when chasing Max or defending from him. He has incredible pressure.
They failed to use their two cars and try an under cut with Leclerc to force RBs hand
@@lonyo5377 That's just the standard Ferrari strategy, shooting themselves in the foot.
RB set the car up for the race and Ferrari for qualifying, so Ferrari went through the tyres way sooner and could never keep up with Max once the tyres were gone. And even with the different set up Max was still only 0,013 sec. behind Carlos in Q3
Except Max did pass Carlos on the straight after the Ferrari locked up.
I think this doesnt account for the DRS tow Leclerc was able to take advantage of on Sainz after Max checked out, and I suspect there was also the human element of "This was your ideal performance against Max, Carlos, we won't hurt you."
Sure, from a pure stats point of view maybe Leclerc going through COULD have gotten them a 2-4? But the morale effect and media from giving Sainz that order could do a lot more harm to the team than 3 points is worth. A motivated and competitive Carlos versus one who is disillusioned and disheartened could easily account for 3 points in the coming races, but for a Chance™️ of keeping Checo behind who was hardly slow, I don't think it was worth it. Ferrari made the right call, if you can just look past the numbers.
Don’t bother with this guy, you can tell why he had to jump ship to YT and doesn’t have a job in F1 any more, huge loser move to create more stupid what ifs for Leclerc crazies to harass Carlos over
I am going to take a shot here and say if Carlos hadn’t taken off on Charles and let him stay in DRS range, it’s possible that Ferrari could have scored a 2-3, but it would have been difficult.
They could have easily won a 2-3 if they didnt go for pole position.
Having a ferrari on pole is basically burning tires and giving max a free drs tow for a dozen of laps.
THEY SHOULD HAVE GAVE UP THAT POLE POSITION AND JUST BATTLE EACH OTHER OUT AND ALTERNATING DRS TOW TO SAVE TIRES AND CONFUSE RB STRAT FOR POSSIBLE UNDERCUT AND OVERCUT
Yes if! If my auntie had a dick she would be my uncle!
@@everydaydose7779Sainz and Lecler would then have Perez & Russell behind them so defending from both and possibly losing out to both finishing in P5 & P4
I believe Ferrari didn't have the pace, period. Sainz keeping Max behind was the best they could do in the first stint. Sainz battling Leclerc, from a pure Ferrari team standpoint, was a disaster. Max had a problem late in the race which he had to manage (even if it was just overheating chasing a backmarker). Ferrari chasing Checo could have put them very close to a win if Max had a technical fault. That was Ferrari's only questionable call all weekend.
Lol PER was always going to end at least P2. What are you guys on?
I had this same question glad to see you analyzing it
Imo, there is no point in having equal preference when it comes to the drivers from the team's perspective. Putting all your eggs in one basket is the way to go, it doesn't matter if they are fighting for the win or p5 p6, it's always better to focus on the lead driver, when it comes to car development, strategy, team orders and everything. It's not fun to watch, but it's the best thing any team can do.
Absolutely
Then my question is, why have two drivers if you only want your efforts on only one?
interesting conclusion at 12:37 inw.. and I'll just stick to the thought that data don't lie! thank you for this analysis, that I value highly! I am not ashamed to say that I'll probably have to go through this vid several times and click "pause" more than once to get a better understanding of the meaning of your analysis. Said it before somewhere I think, for me it's clear that my knowledge and understanding is very limited but I am just eager to learn regardless how long it may take and regardless of language barrier since English is not my native tongue. SO: my compliments and my gratitude!!!!
My question is, if as soon as Charles lose Carlos’ drs, Carlos backed off a bit to give Charles the tow again could it ended differently?
Exactly. F1 teams need to use some F1 Esport tactics. They had to tell Carlos to keep Charles in the DRS.
@@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6168 They would argue that building a gap is more effective than towing the car behind, but in this scenario I agree it was crazy to not try it as even Max had trouble when Carlos had no drs. They should have known giving DRS to charles would make a huge difference.
You mean the good ol shake and bake? Haha
This! 2-3 was 100% doable. No way Perez would overtake if Lec had DRS. And it was crazy not to do it since both would benefit (of course Lec would have to concede staying behind Sainz no matter what for this to be fair).
Don’t forget that F1 esports doesn’t have cooling issues. When following a car within a second in real life, you lose downforce, which results in overheating tires and your radiators are taking in air that’s already cooled the car in front of you and so don’t work as efficiently. On a 40C track temp day like we had at monza I guarantee LeClerc was overheating badly before he was probably forced to fall back from Sainz to cool down. The redbull is kinder to its tires and so wouldn’t have struggled as much as the Ferrari. Even still we heard Verstappen say on the radio and after the race that staying within a second was absolutely killing his tires.
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Amen! 🙏
Great video. Best analysis out there
Cheers, Ben!
Max simply killed carlos’ tires. Shows how good this driver is.
Shows how good his car is . That ferrari tyreqear was insane.
@@jathiyakhan720 Because Ferrari tends to run their car on 'max setting' on Italian tracks.
They really shouldn't even have been near the top, and next race that engine will be dead.
they had a very agressive Monza package, that Ferrari probably has the best engine on the grid is not a hidden secret, but their wing was much more agressive than any other team, Ferrari had a 7kph difference in the straights, Red Bull tested 2 wings on Friday and choose the slower one because then it would have been 12kph difference and not even DRS can help you at that point.
thats feraris weakness normally i dont see how does have anything to do with max who couldnt overtake for almost 10 laps
@@drugoviic he was pushing sainz hard which killed his tires. Whilst his remained good enough.
Short answer no... long answer Nooooooooooo
For reals though great work and I agree they possibly could have been 2&4 but no one is or will beat Max this year minus a DNF
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Came here for this.
Love this analysis!
I don’t know if you’ll see this but I was shocked how close MV was able to stay with CS without burning up his tires or losing time. Do you think this is an inherent quality of the RB19? Also, do you believe MV’s ‘issue’ at the end was a low fuel problem where MV had to burn through more fuel to stay with, and eventually pass, CS compared to the race plan?
It was overheating issues. That’s why he had to move out of the hot dirty air of Gasly. And Max was fuel saving, lift and coast in turn 1 and 4 for many more laps than the last 4. I listened the whole race with Max’ onboard and radio.
It’s the main quality of the RB19. Just look at quali vs race pace this year. Teams have been fairly close to Max (relatively speaking) in qualifying and not in the race. The rb19 is at worst just as fast, and best case way faster than any car on the grid. Then take into consideration they can maintain the pace for a far longer time during the race. Then add in the fact Max is driving the RB19, RB has the best pit stops, best strategy, and probably the best or among the best in reliability.
Assuming no failures, wrecks, or penalties, a car Would have to be a minimum .2 faster in qualifying to even stand a chance. Some tracks they would need even more.
@@RedlingsteinI completely agree. It must have been overheating in dirty air. GP didn't say as much, but from his persistence, it may well have been a dnf risk that they didn't want others to know about. I would not at all be surprised if they unseal a new engine come singapore...
MV's tyres working for that long that close behind CS must for large part the downforce they had on the car. Checo could also follow pretty well and he has a pretty different driving style from Max.
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I love this kind of explanation! Great video blake
Glad you liked it!
Fantastic analysis, youve gained a new sub. Completely agree Charles was and not once but twice held back by Sainz in the race.
He did nothing just saving his tyres on a drs train while his team mate was battling with RB, keep crying
Sainz fought Perez way later in the stint so I think the tyre delta between him and Perez was higher than when Leclerc fought Perez. Hence the drop off because he fell out of the DRS window immediately. Same happened when he fought Verstappen because it was so late in the stint.
Also Leclerc wasn't able to stay in Sainz' DRS when Perez caught him. So I highly doubt that Leclerc was faster than Sainz. He just had a different approach with using tyre performance.
I agree that if Ferrari instructed one driver to drag the other driver along for a bit, so the other driver could save tyres, they could have achieved a lower total race time. That way maybe P2 would have been possible for them.
Drivers have egos though. It's difficult to get both drivers to work together all race long if one of them might lose out.
RBR tested two different rear wings on Friday practice. The (relativity) high downforce wing was faster over a lap, but RBR bolted low downforce configuration as they were only giving up 7kph (Vs ~12kph for the high downforce) as they felt they needed that straight-line speed to even attempt a pass.
11:38 I was first thinking the same thing, but looking at Charles laptime after Carlos pitted seems to point in the direction that also Charles tires were gone. Not sure if this was caused by him being behing Carlos too long and too close, but would expect that had Charles had better tires, he would have had a much better in-lap.
However I was wondering if a p2 & p3 would have been possible if Charles had stayed within DRS range of Carlos when Checo was breathing down his neck. Checo was only able to overtake Charles when Charles lost DRS himself
Great video loved it. with ur experience what are ur thoughts on getting a tow during qualifying? George and Alex were saying how it can be detrimental and difficult to get one - especially if you aren’t comfortable with car balance already
At Monza the tow gave Sainz pole (along with a great lap)
GREAT VIDEO! I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESMENT 100%
Alternate tyre strategy? If one of them started on hard?
How about Leclerc not defending against Checo at all? Sainz held Checo for 14 laps without any DRS assistance. As soon as Leclerc lost Sainz' DRS, he fell and Perez overtook Leclerc the next lap. Had Leclerc defended him for 10 more laps, Sainz could have secured 2nd.
Ive heard that they used the 2022 Monza rear wing
wich function/code do you use for the quali time delta
if you use fastf1
Am I wrong to think Sáinz has more or less been performing better than Leclerc this season?
Thinking the same and that hurts a bit as a Leclerc fan. Imo Leclerc tries to overperform wich leads to crashes. He shouldn't be aiming for P1 but focus on getting P2. That seems more doable and realistic
Same issue happened last year. It's almost inevitable that Charles at some point starts to overdrive his car. Checo had a poor mid season, but like this he's doing proper work and showing better overall consistency.
@captaintoet1983 if you were actually a Lec fan you would know that Charles has had better results than Carlos. Carlos has lost 3 P4s and 2 podiums this season meanwhile Charles got 3 and 2 poles as well. Just because he had a dnf in Bahrain and 10 place grid pen and 3 place grid pen in Monaco (not his fault as stated by FIA) he lost 3 podiums.
@@vervatoredobslay2177 "Actually" bruh, I know myself better than you do so your point is invalid. Ofcourse the stats say otherwise but it feels like its not. Not that hard to comprehend. smartypants
IMO Ferrari would need an alignment of planets to win in Monza. 🤔
1> Both Ferraris had to qualify in the first row to allow a double slipstream in the race, to form a Scuderia train. Also the Red boys had to slow down the pace in section two - in the right amount - to save tires and also avoid the Max Attack.
2> Then the leading Ferrari had to pit first to avoid Verstappen's double undercut. Saiz said they pit too early and the second stint was too long for those hard tires.
3> Finally the weather had to be much colder to save the tires. It was 25º ambient / 45º on asphalt.
lewis oscar crashed - red flag or safety car
May I say your communication skills are amazing 👏?
Back to the point, I'm sure Ferrari knew that was the correct race strategy but they simply could not apply it!
If you do not live in Italy, you can not even imagine how much pressure is on Fred and the two drivers indeed. Media make their work crazy....I'm sure, this sort of things are also part of the race strategy risk assessment 🤪..
Somehow it reminds me of Silverstone 2022 because weirdly Ferrari did not choose to have maximum points and try something
I was trying to think which race this was! Exactly this.
Could someone explain to me how the cumulative Delta plot works. I understand it is showing the gaps between the cars but what would a horizontal line represent in this plot? Or phrased differently: relative to what are these gaps? What is 0?
In this instance zero is a fixed lap time. Sometimes (like mixed wet dry races) I'll use a moving average of a few different drivers.
There was also a lot of talk about Ferrari turning up the PU for the weekend to. If this is the case, as ferarri i would take the power an deal with more reliabilty issues and take the chance at a race win more often
Super agressive Monza package, the Ferrari wings were much more agressive than any other team by a lot, that have them a lot of speed on straights. It was a special Monza package.
Ferrari put the Engine in Crazy self destruct mode. Just like Mercedes did at the end of 2021. 😅
Commenting for the rithmalgo, thanks for the great analysis, wish Max woulda got pole but Monza had a great race. Could you do a pre-analysis on Singapore and if any slow cornering cars may have a chance against RedBull?
Quick analysis: no chance 😅
@@brrrake RedBull clean sweep then? 🤣
Maybe, just maybe McLaren.
I think the tough part about these theories is that most would require some sort of sacrifice out of Sainz, which is rough thing to ask of someone who just got a well-earned pole. I was also surprised Ferrari didn't try to split the strategies between the drivers, with Leclerc starting on a hard. The opening lap would be difficult, but it was gonna be a RB/Ferrari Top 4 anyways with their pace.
That's the problem with having equal preference
Sainz does not want to sacrifice anything regardless of starting position. Same goes for Charles basically but to a bit lesser extent. Ferrari has a carriage where the horses dictate the pace and direction.
Leclerc starting on hards would be a pretty damn good move. With the hards, he could offset Sainz and Max. Lewis did amazing with an offset to the field, I reckon Leclerc could get the same benefit especially with Max & Sainz battling in front. That way, a win could probably be in the cards provided Leclerc can sort the start with hards and the Ferrari deg isn't worst than expected. Looking at the fact that having a harder tyres didn't stop many other great drivers to have a great start and the fact that the Ferrari deg isn't that crazy, this might be a valid strategy.
Can you change the x-axis labels on the Race Gaps / Cumulative Delta Plot to only be integers? You only have discrete data points at whole numbers. The decimal points are distracting.
I noticed this after I recorded. Not sure why they went to decimals
i can be 'bought' for vibes. The Tifosi may be made of tougher stuff.
Had the exact same thought during the race. The sole fact that Leclerc was breathing in Sainz' neck is a very strong indicator, that he is likely faster than Sainz. Ferrari should have swapped around, even if only for a few laps, to see if Charles was indeed quicker. We have seen similar deals before.
You're probably correct on Ferrari not winning Monza. Besides the data supporting that, it seemed Charles was driving a little weak compared to Max in following when Max was in the gearbox of Carlos. If Charles would have been as close as Max with all due risk attached, then he'd have more of a claim getting that position of Carlos at some point.
2nd and 4th maybe, but since the same thing happened (Charles weak in defending Checo and back on it again when Checo passed Carlos as well) makes me doubt whether 2nd would have been on the cards.
On Saturday Charles might have been upset that he needed to give the tow twice, but that nullified with what happened on Sunday.
So maybe with a hard team order they could have ended up on 2nd, but I think the long term consequences could have led to serious cracks in the team. The principle under normal circumstances shouldn't concern himself with that, but since Carlos and Charles operate on a similar level....difficult choices. Think 3rd and 4th was with all the things at play what was maximum achievable.
“You can’t pay people in vibes” cheers mate 😂
Ferrari paid in vibes for an age now 😅
safety car at the last 10 laps will help.
I don't know... Leclerc's pace was behind Sainz' the whole weekend...
Love that everybody is forgetting that Carlos's pit was 1 second slower than Charles one. And thats why they merged so close after Charles pit.
What's up with turn 10 where Verstappen is WOT but the MPH flat lines for a second... BTW loving the channel with actual data logs overlays
There are issues with the data we get sometimes.
@@brrrake I hope so. Because that sure looks like traction control and I've been on that Verstappen band wagon hard since Jeddah 21
@@brrrake would you mind including the rpm for that run? If even by email? That area looks suspicious to me. For both of them actually
I can see your point, but in your scenario, if Carlos lets Charles go, then LEC doesn't have DRS the rest of the race, is forced to use his tyres more and once Checo comes the overtake is definitely happening.
Also, Checo took some time to overtake Charles because Charles had DRS and slipstream.
If the Ferraris were apart, Checo would have come and gotten both of them quicker I believe.
I still believe Carlos was the faster driver this weekend and playing the race how they did, Ferrari at least tried and honestly had P2 till 6 laps to go. It was very close and I believe maximized.
Singapore: could RedBull have won with Medium Medium Soft?? Higher ride height, bumpy, soft suspension. Extra stop.. and normally hard to overtake, but Verstappen showed with better grip it was quite possible. Hard tyres made them slide more.. and with a SC the temperature was just gone. I feel M-M-S would have been best.. but I can't prove it with numbers.
I don't think the question is whether ferrari could have one. The question is, could they have a 2-4 or even a 2-3. I don't think Charles pushing Max would have changed things massively, as Max just wasn't vulnerable enough. Checo on the other hand, could probable have been forced into a mistake if Charles had fought him even half as hard as he fought his own team mate. I think it is pretty obvious that Charles decided it was better to try to fight Carlos later than to help the team. This is what they should have been talking about at the debrief, not whether or not they were fighting eachother to much...
I agree. I missed Leclerc battling Perez.
Yeah I think the only reason Charles was faster at some point it's because he was being selfish, saving tyres and waiting for the right time to attack Carlos. I didn't think of this before but Ferrari might have done the "ok" thing for Carlos cause similar things had happened before (letting Charles by) and don't pay off, Carlos deserved the benefit of being ahead all weekend long.
@rodrigomoncadadiaz4381 , saving tyres is a skill , leclerc defended against Perez, then kept within the drs of Perez , ferrari ruined his tire management ,by not swapping him
It's clear to see Leclerc's focus from the start was not stopping the Redbulls, but just passing Sainz. He raced for 3rd, which makes it even more impressive that Sainz was able to hang to it after fighting his hearth out for 1st and 2nd. Leclerc's strategy was smarter, but selfish.
It’s good posibility to let Leclerc through but I think that the Leclerc advantage is do to the drs with Verstappen and Sainz not. The best strategy could it be let Leclerc through to pressure Verstappen, Sainz box in two laps to the overtake
Blake, is that the Pieta on the wall behind you?
I'm not familiar with that?
Both the theories are incorrect. What Ferrari should have focused on is either both drivers doing their utmost to keep pressure on Max provided they have the speed to keep him behind, or Charles and Sainz fighting Perez to finish 2-3 or 2-4
The second theory doesnt really work here cause we are assuming that Sainz would have put on an eventual useless defense on Max, and in turn killed off his tyres for no gain, where his teammate played no role in enabling Ferrari to get a win or a podium. Instead, Sainz should have put that kind of defense against Sergio Perez, allowing Charles to stay in Perez's DRS. After that, they need to just pit Sainz same lap as Perez, and undercut Perez with Charles. Only reason Charles was ever quicker than Sainz was when Sainz had dead tyres. The two drivers werent on the same page. Sainz took the fight to red bull, Charles took the fight to Sainz.
Assuming no failures and wrecks, other teams have to be .2 tenths+ (depending on the track) in qualifying to even have a chance at winning a race. Even if RB and the challenging team are equal in pace, Red Bull can equal the challengers pace and maintain it for several more laps.
When I say Red Bull I mean Max. This does not necessarily hold true for Perez as he doesn’t get the most out of the faster car.
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best possible result would've been 2nd and 3rd
The only way they could have won the race is if Charles got Max at the start. Then forced him into a mistake. Maybe flat spot his tyres... Then do it again for the second stint 😂😂😂😂
Its fascinating seeing how people say carlos should have let Leclerc by when its never been done the other way even if Sainz had more rythim. What about Carlos in soft tyres getting held up by leclerc? I mean, Leclerc fans seem to have such a clouded judgment...
I'm not a "fan" of either. I don't really care about their history. Cool story tho
It seems Leclerc's car was set up a bit more for the race than Sainz's. That may have been the real mistake, because he only qualified 3rd. With the Ferraris being 1-2 they could have given the second car DRS all the time, making it impossible for a Red Bull to pass them. Ferrari tried this when defending from Pérez, which worked well until Leclerc's defensive driving dropped him out of Sainz's DRS range. That likely would have happened to them when fighting Verstappen, but their chances of winning the race would still have been higher then.
I really don't think Sainz car was set up in favour of the race. The only difference in qualifying was no one got close to Sainz in T4. Leclerc also missed the tow and was as fast or faster elsewhere
in my non professional opinion, ferrari's best chance of a win was with a 1-2 start.
not slip streaming the quali was a mistake.
That's interesting but do you account for the fact that Carlos barely had any DRS during the race and that's one of the reasons why LEC seemed faster? Carlos seemed faster through all of the weekend in this instance. I do think, regardless or the driver's order, that if LEC pushed VER or PER when he was behind instead of saving tires, perhaps the 2-3 could have been possible.
After monza i am waiting for las Vegas GP
Theoretically you're right about the team optimizing for 2 and 4. But.. in reality no team would have done that. Sainz doing all the work on Friday, Saturday. Picking pole 1 and then sacrificing himself to first burn up his tires defending Verstappen and in second stint Perez to give up a deserved podium? No way..
I don't think any team boss would have made that call in this situation
You don't become an f1 driver of you're a real team player to other drivers while behind the wheel. That's why Lewis and Verstappen have a high turnover of team mates. The moment the second driver realizes that they really are just that, they're done.
It all depends on the theory that Charles was saving tires... i'm not so sure about that. Is he saving tires, or are his tires already starting to degrade when the gap to MB increases in the first stint?
And if he was saving tires, why didnt he stay out a few laps more when Carlos pitted? Why did his lap times keep decreasing when Carlos went into the pit?
He had one lap after SAI pit. His in lap was 7 tenths faster. He wouldn't stay out because others on softer tyres were already faster. Had to cover.
Hi just a Little question why don‘t They Show break pressure anymore does it have anything to do with bbw ?
I don't know honestly. There's not that much special about BBW and they don't even need to show the BBW pressure just front master cylinder pressure
@@brrrake exactly. having done some Data Engineering myself in GT4 most of the drivers mistakes where in Braking, especially having some drivers transition from Formula to GT. And i would love to see the braketrace from some of the F1 drivers. I love your Content by the way. Will you release some data engineer courses so i can improve my skills ?
@@olivierfritzen2749 I wish we could see the data for this. And steering position. Then I am happy. I am trying to figure out the best way to make race/data/performance engineering content. I'm not sure the best place is on this channel specifically.
@@brrrake just being able to tell if understeer or oversteer is the driverinitiated through under or overrotation or car behaviour or Setup driven. And then the Pirelli rubber don’t even start me on this…
When you study why may is so fast through corners its k credible to see he's really taking that machine to its limit
Even if they did mess up
Still an improvement lol
I appreciate your data driven approach, but in you comparison between Sainz' and Verstappens lap, you seem surprised that Sainz gains in turns 4/5. Wouldn't the fact that Max dipped a wheel in the gravel in that turn the lap prior to this one make him take this corner just a bit more conservatively. It doesn't surprise me at all in thay particular corner, Max does not use his downforce to the full potential on this occassion.
Maybe but Sainz was standout against most others in Q3 here as I mentioned.
Was thinking the same thing. In first run in Q3 he went too far and probably was a bit more careful this time around
I love your analysis man, but seeing a red bull driver indicated in red and a Ferrari driver in blue on your charts really tripped me up.
Same. I hated every second of it
I love all the other media reviews are heralding Sainz best race ever, had the measure of leclerc, etc...
Braake: Nah, he was slower and should have gotten out the way, here's the data to prove it 😂
I love this channel 👍👍
No they did the best that they could Max just had to wait as there tires would go off earlier but should be difficult to pass as one mistake and he would be out as Carlo had nothing to loose
I fully agree, there is a huge chance Leclerc would have ended up 2nd if they'd let him pass Sainz at the end of the 1st stint. The Ferrari 1st place theory is just copium shot I feel. Max was destined to win this race.
Hey mate, a fresh race engineer here 🏁 can i know how you get the data to analyse? It will help me a lot with my analysis.
Check out fastf1 :) python library
Will do, thank you very much
Max his race craft is currently too strong it would have taken a miracle m8.
Save a late safety car where Ferrari could pit and Max could not there was no way.
Ferrari could have been 2 and 3 if they let Max pass without defending and then try to slipstream and make use of DRS as much as possible whilst Perez was still dealing with Russell.
You know I didn't even mention this but honestly probably one of the best ideas there was
I feel like if Carlos slowed down a bit when Leclerc fell out of the drs gap they had a chance to hold off Checo for 2nd and 3rd. Just be fast in the right spots and work as a team. I haven't noticed anything addressing this. I would have liked to see them try to hold Checo off this way for all those many laps. As soon as Leclerc fell 1 second back, Checo got him. Thoughts?
IMO Ferrarri could have had a 2/3 if they had LeClerc not lose DRS to Sainz. It would have been very difficult for Perez to overtake LeClerc if both had DRS.
On any other track, yes, maybe Ferrari should have let Leclerc through. But this is Monza! A racing Monza GP rather than a result-based Monza GP is so much better for all the tifosi and F1 fans in general. Ferrari was very much in the picture all race long, pushing Verstappen's 10 win streak to the background. The couldn't have hoped for more.
Yeah I get it but a shame for their pit wall honestly. They aren't a serious team anymore.
What issue did max have at the end of the race? He wa slowing down massively and he also said in post race interview that he had to nurse an issue
Any idea what that issue was?
Overheating of the engine that required Max to get out of the dirty (and hot) air generated from back markers. And to overtake them might have killed the engine.
I think Monaco was the best god chance for any other team to possibly beat Red Bull on merit. Barring a mechanical dnf or getting torpedoed by another driver, I don’t see any team beating Red Bull and Max for the rest of the season.
this aged well
I don't think so. Max is so much better when it comes to race Sunday. The moment Max is up front, the race is done if no car troubles.
As a general rule when your headline is a question the answer is always no. Which makes all headlines like this one clickbait. And yes we all realize F1 is chalk full of fake journalism creating drama as clickbait so this is just a typical example. That's not to say you can't in fact decide to do better.
If you'd like to offer some practical advice on RUclips thumbnail and title selection, please go ahead. I always deliver with detailed analysis and commentary based on my professional experience. If you don't like it, that's OK, but I think it works quite well. The answer isn't necessarily "NO" - but in this case, yes it is. I have answered the question directly and even offered several alternatives to this.
No!
Disagree on letting Leclerc through would have been better.
Points-wise that may be correct, but F1 is a spectator sport and Ferrari gave the fans a spectacle. Imho the awesome show in front of their home crowd outweighs the 3 potential points. 🧐
Okay so you agree 😅
No way Ferrari makes the optimal strategic decisions.
LeClerc would have been closer, but not by much. I think Chuck setup for the race, and Sainz set up for quali.
Charles just copied Sainz's setup right?
@@varun2845 No clue, it's obvious Leclerc was at least 2 tenths per lap faster, but that's not enough to overtake.
@@varun2845: that was my understanding as well. Charles was struggling with his setup and ended up using Carlos’ setup.
Love how you and everybody forget Lec stayed in a drs train for 40+ laps saving his tyres while Carlos was pushing and defending from both RB the whole race, and then u have the balls to say Lec was faster😂😂
If the quali god leclerc had put it on the front row, ferrari would have been on a much better place..
We are all thinking the same.
Ferrari have already asked many favors from Sainz this year. After a superb qualifying, if they asked him to move aside to let Lecrec through, no matter what the end result could be, I think he would just leave Ferrari as soon as posible..
I'm curious which favors they've ask? I genuinely don't recall any of them. But I also forgot basically everything
@@brrrake In Austria was asked to not attack Leclerc in the race, in Silverstone to let Leclerc pass in qualifying, and so on. Sainz has been a great team player, and he deserved to be in the spotlight this weekend, he did a great job.
And I don’t recall Ferrari asking Leclerc to do something in favor of Sainz..
@@nunotpintohe wasn’t faster in Austria, and they alternate every race who goes out first in quali and it was Charles’ turn
What if Ferrari qualified 1-2 ?
Leclerc was faster than sainz on Sunday but I don’t think they would have beaten Perez, too much tyre deg
why was max so slow? when Perez cleared the Ferari he was 11seconds ahead but the gap only kept going down, and Perez finished only 6 seconds behind
If you look at the delta plot, max starts saving massively. It's been discussed quite a bit in the press, they had margin and wanted to look after, what I assume, is engine temperatures.
There is no way Ferrari could have won that race...without a spin by RB.
Fascinating stuff. I do think Fred has signed on fully realizing and knowing who should be sacrificed and vice versa, but they genuinely do not have a competitive car this season. I count it as a miracle when both drivers don't DNF by the end of the race. So, yeah they're just letting it play out for entertainment- because that's what is right now. They all know who is the vice-champion (who lost due to his team's incompetence) and who is the midfield driver.
Max got the inside line at T1 and overtook Sainz?
Sainz had a lockup at T1 and through curva grande Max overtook him.
@@vasudev_hk imho, the overtake happenned at T4. Started after T2, contested at Curva Grandé, done at T4. And yes brought o by Carlos lo king up into 1 and having a poor exit out of 2.
@@slopat2503you are right. Carlos was on the inside of turn 1 and lost grip under braking. He just managed to make it through t1 and t2, where Max positioned his car for optimal acceleration out of turn 2. They went side by side through t3 (Carlos inside &Max outside). At the approach of t4 Max outbraked Carlos and from then on it was his race.
Short ans: No
Long ans: Did the car break? Then Noooooooooooooooooo
Ferrari...
Strategy mistakes?
*SAY IT AIN'T SO!*
I agree, they clearly should have let Leclerc pass Sainz. 1. sainz would have been a good road block for Perez anyway, and Charles would have made a more difficult traget later in the race.
Have you watched the race bro? They couldn't if they wanted
Ferrari also pretty much sacrificed a brand new engine for this single race. Turned it up to the max, but it will bite them in the tail later in the season. But who cares, they can't battle for the championship anyway, and now they can at least be happy with a relative good result at Monza.
They got 3rd and 4th.
With the hyper competitive field behind RedBull there is no way this will bite them.
As McLaren, Mercedes, Astin Martin and sometimes even Williams is taking points away.
@@1barnet1 I was speaking about Ferrari.
Ask Mercedes how to do it. Just copy the Hungary 2021 Plan X.