Bonsart! This is Tony Snipes from UNPACKING DIESELPUNK! First of all, THANK YOU for this video response! I couldn’t wait to watch it when you messaged me and told me it was coming, and it did not disappoint! So many eye-opening observations! You are especially correct that I did not share my definition of Dieselpunk. So to correct that if you don’t mind, I’ve included a link from my very first episode that goes straight into my definition of diesel punk that hopefully establishes some perspective: ruclips.net/video/HVMFW-5WPfk/видео.html&si=3eiYNsaPmfDvRRsT
Thanks, I'll check it out later. How it was usefull. Maybe you can share your thoughts sometimes if you changed your position on some things or not. Let's keep the conversation going.
I've always saw Dieselpunk as extremely similar to Steampunk, just trade out the victorian era with 1940's post industrial era, and trade the steam for diesel, and the brass for iron. The genre themes would be pulling from the times for which they are inspired, which leaves quite the overlap in many regards. Though it would be important to look towards the iconic scenes or scenarios, such as an iron mech trotting across a war torn trench line, or an airship floating adjacent a magnificent tower of bronze and clockwork. There is a genuine feel to these genre's, Steampunk oozes its victorian grace and political intrigue, as Dieselpunk carries an aura of war torn industrialization, and a turning away from nature. We may find the largest differences between them, less in the esthetic and more so those inspiring time periods that should govern more than I think we allow them to. For instance, swords...If you are in a Steampunk universe swords are quite common, if you are in a Dieselpunk universe they are MUCH less common, and not even considered a viable weapon, why? World War 2 inspirations, guns, tanks, and rifles. Of course that is accepting the notion that all those involved are historically inspired, but than again the lack of historical appreciation maybe one of the reasons why we have such a hard time telling them apart. After all, there is quite the difference between post industrial, and victorian eras. In the end, if you really want to know the difference, watch a trailer for the 2011 Three Musketeers movie, and than watch a trailer for the Mutant Chronicles movie, that should set a stark contrast.
@@unpackingdieselpunk841 thanks, just found your channel through this video and will be checking it out. Im a crappy short story writer who loves Dieselpunk.
I would say that Dieselpunk is a closer cousin to "Weird WW2" than steampunk itself, but all of these subgeneras are related to at least in the literary sense, alt-history. From my own, un-academic looks, DP is more video game and wargame based. I heavily disagree that is an American thing only. There are several Slavic artists that draw DP style mecha in the Eastern European landscape and a lot of their work shows up in the German made game, Iron Harvest. Of course, this is not to mention that Last Exile is just one of many cool WW1 era-ish animes out there. Modern ones deal more with the mecha side of things, as do many wargames. I think it has more to do with modern historical times vs anything else. When Steampunk became big, it was during the Obama adminstration and the Wall Street Occupy movement in American culture. Thus you had somewhat of a punk and anti-capitalist mood of wanting to create your own things w/o the genera being pinned down to a single IP like how Disney controls everything. So it used to be more open to everyone. Sadly, now a days it seems to be more upper middle class people that have formed cliches around one or two people at conventions making the rebellious spirit go away. DP does have a similar punk vibe but it's more commonly seen at anime conventions (since they are a main gathering place for every subculture out there) , where people are younger and already have that rebellious spirit within them
Never seen 'Weird WW2' named as a genre before, and couldn't find any references. Only familiar with Weird West, the unknown precursor of the Steampunk. Is that is what you are referencing? Regarding the American thing. I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about inspiration, not location. If you mean Jakub Rosalski's work, personally, I think the influences of pulp and other Western media are very present in his work. The games associated to his illustrations, also use the genre tropes of Steampunk I don't agree on the era stuff. The events you name happened before the big explosion of Steampunk on the convention scene, including in Europe and Japan. In all the interviews that I've had, my guests reference pop culture from the 40s to 80s. I don't think it's a rebellion against Disney either, consider a. Alot of Steampunk is inspired by Disney properties. And b. many Disney creators drew Steampunk for a time.
Bonsart! This is Tony Snipes from UNPACKING DIESELPUNK!
First of all, THANK YOU for this video response! I couldn’t wait to watch it when you messaged me and told me it was coming, and it did not disappoint! So many eye-opening observations!
You are especially correct that I did not share my definition of Dieselpunk. So to correct that if you don’t mind, I’ve included a link from my very first episode that goes straight into my definition of diesel punk that hopefully establishes some perspective:
ruclips.net/video/HVMFW-5WPfk/видео.html&si=3eiYNsaPmfDvRRsT
Thanks, I'll check it out later. How it was usefull. Maybe you can share your thoughts sometimes if you changed your position on some things or not. Let's keep the conversation going.
I've always saw Dieselpunk as extremely similar to Steampunk, just trade out the victorian era with 1940's post industrial era, and trade the steam for diesel, and the brass for iron. The genre themes would be pulling from the times for which they are inspired, which leaves quite the overlap in many regards. Though it would be important to look towards the iconic scenes or scenarios, such as an iron mech trotting across a war torn trench line, or an airship floating adjacent a magnificent tower of bronze and clockwork. There is a genuine feel to these genre's, Steampunk oozes its victorian grace and political intrigue, as Dieselpunk carries an aura of war torn industrialization, and a turning away from nature. We may find the largest differences between them, less in the esthetic and more so those inspiring time periods that should govern more than I think we allow them to. For instance, swords...If you are in a Steampunk universe swords are quite common, if you are in a Dieselpunk universe they are MUCH less common, and not even considered a viable weapon, why? World War 2 inspirations, guns, tanks, and rifles.
Of course that is accepting the notion that all those involved are historically inspired, but than again the lack of historical appreciation maybe one of the reasons why we have such a hard time telling them apart. After all, there is quite the difference between post industrial, and victorian eras. In the end, if you really want to know the difference, watch a trailer for the 2011 Three Musketeers movie, and than watch a trailer for the Mutant Chronicles movie, that should set a stark contrast.
That’s a great summation, James!
@@unpackingdieselpunk841 thanks, just found your channel through this video and will be checking it out. Im a crappy short story writer who loves Dieselpunk.
dieselpunk is same decopunk but decopunk is art mode 30 40 diselpunk is a war robots and zepilins
Ex: Bioshock, Wolfenstain
Thanks for bringing my attention to another dieselpunk channel. By the way what do you think of atompunk?
I prefer it what it was called Pulp, Populux, Googie, and Streamline. Check my video on those.
ruclips.net/video/Fq8ALuPxJv0/видео.html
I don't think you need cosplay or conventions to like particular aesthetics.
7:30 Dieselpunk American? When i think of Dieselpunk i also think of Russian influence.
Could you specify what Russian influences those are? What I've seen of Russian Dieselish art is very American inspired in regard to pinups and such.
I would say that Dieselpunk is a closer cousin to "Weird WW2" than steampunk itself, but all of these subgeneras are related to at least in the literary sense, alt-history. From my own, un-academic looks, DP is more video game and wargame based. I heavily disagree that is an American thing only. There are several Slavic artists that draw DP style mecha in the Eastern European landscape and a lot of their work shows up in the German made game, Iron Harvest. Of course, this is not to mention that Last Exile is just one of many cool WW1 era-ish animes out there. Modern ones deal more with the mecha side of things, as do many wargames.
I think it has more to do with modern historical times vs anything else. When Steampunk became big, it was during the Obama adminstration and the Wall Street Occupy movement in American culture. Thus you had somewhat of a punk and anti-capitalist mood of wanting to create your own things w/o the genera being pinned down to a single IP like how Disney controls everything. So it used to be more open to everyone. Sadly, now a days it seems to be more upper middle class people that have formed cliches around one or two people at conventions making the rebellious spirit go away. DP does have a similar punk vibe but it's more commonly seen at anime conventions (since they are a main gathering place for every subculture out there) , where people are younger and already have that rebellious spirit within them
Never seen 'Weird WW2' named as a genre before, and couldn't find any references. Only familiar with Weird West, the unknown precursor of the Steampunk. Is that is what you are referencing?
Regarding the American thing. I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about inspiration, not location. If you mean Jakub Rosalski's work, personally, I think the influences of pulp and other Western media are very present in his work. The games associated to his illustrations, also use the genre tropes of Steampunk
I don't agree on the era stuff. The events you name happened before the big explosion of Steampunk on the convention scene, including in Europe and Japan. In all the interviews that I've had, my guests reference pop culture from the 40s to 80s. I don't think it's a rebellion against Disney either, consider a. Alot of Steampunk is inspired by Disney properties. And b. many Disney creators drew Steampunk for a time.
Most useful lesson to take home from this video: do not watch Wild Wild West 🦀
The original television program from the late 1960's and early 70's is much better than the movie. The writing is superior overall, more imaginative.