This episode is probably my favourite of the whole series so far. Acting and writing is amazing. The Otto, Aegon and Criston scene my personal favourite, Rhys Ifans absolutely killed that scene. The twins scene was amazing as well.
Rhys Ifans is IMHO the MVP of an episode with many great acting performances! He really made me feel for Ott in his scene with Aegon and Cole - and I usually hate Otto! 🙂
@@mori1bundSame. Otto was such a snake in S1, but that scene with him, Aegon and Cole was masterful. You could see the realization dawn on him in real time just what his machinations has gotten him - headaches and treachery, having backed a bad horse and losing who was actually a good man and once his good friend. A better king than even Otto realized, beyond "pliability" because of all the things Aegon lacks as a ruler.
22:28 Thank you, Ange. I've been saying that since season 1. Otto gets over hated simply because he's Team Green but he's actually brilliant and plays the long game. As early as like episode 3 of season 1, he already gave sage advice to Viserys to marry Rhaenyra to Aegon and that would have stopped this civil war.
Otto is hated because he's trying to steal the throne for his family with schemes and dirty tricks, from the moment on when he pimped out his own daughter to Visaerys. He gave advice to marry Rhaenyra to Aegon because Rhaenyra was the heiress and it would have secured a Hightower on the throne. But he did NOT give the sage advice to Visaerys to marry Leana Velaryon (Lyonel Strong, who *actually* had the best interest of the 7 kingdoms in mind, did that!) Instead he sent his daughter to the king to "console" him. But yes, he's a brilliant master manipulator and plays the long game. 😀
@@lotus2001 He only put Aegon on the throne to stop a civil war, but his plan backfired. A lot of the lords were already against Rhaenyra and were most likely planning to rebel because she was a woman. Otto knew this and assumed Viserys would name his son heir once he was born but Viserys fumbled and it led to the civil war the Jaeharys (an actual good king) avoided by naming Viserys heir over Rhaenys despite Rhaenys being the better choice. Rhaenyra was only able to be named heir because of the fact that Rhaenys wasn't able to be named heir which is a hypocritical paradox.
@@hawks7111 you sound just like a Hightower lol because if Otto didn’t think she could be king why did he need to parade a child’s body through the streets and accuse her of murder
Rhaenyra isn’t sending Baela out instead of Jace because she sees her as disposable, but because she knows Jace isn’t in the right mindset. Not that there isn’t more to it- obviously she’s hesitant to send him, he’s HER HEIR, but cmon now, Rhaenyra isn’t that type of person. The scene DIRECTLY before that one is Daemon and Rhaenyra fighting over the harm of an innocent child. Jace is on a warpath; he seeks vengeance. If the leaks are to be believed, he will definitely leap at the chance to engage with the greens. So she is sending Baela because she won’t be irrational and emotional. I mean, Rhaenyra literally told her to keep her distance, (so she wouldn’t be at risk for being shot out of the sky).
yeah i fully think Baela is her child anyway. And that "I depend on you, Baela" was 100% a trust thing, not a "I'm sending you to die because I don't want my son dying" thing.
rhaenyra had loving parents, alicent didnt. rhaenyra had a say in her marriage and became a mother willingly, alicent didnt. rhaenyra’s first born is an honorable dude, alicent disowned aegon for r*ping the servant. now piece that all together and figure out why alicent was incapable of comforting aegon
r.i.p. arryk & erryk --- the twins were duty-bound, loyal and honorable, but in this show threats to one's honor can make you the puppet of scoundrels.
In that moment before surrendering his Hand status, you could see it on his face this perfect "Gods...this is what all this game-playing has gotten me." And seeing him genuinely feel for what he lost with Viserys, beyond him being "pliable" like Larys said - even when Viserys went against him, he was at minimum a man of good and balanced intentions. It took all of this for Otto to realize that Viserys was a better man and king than even he realized, but only after he died and purposefully went against his once good friend's will.
Notice how Daemong says “my brothers crown”. Daemon wants war, he wants to go and set the entire green bloodline into flames for what he believes was the murder of his brother. He has no interest in the crown or ruling it, Rhanyra having him do nothing is what pisses him off
So how is he over hated if everything is his fault? lmao if all the blame can be linked to him id say he is justly hated if not underhated all of this bullshit is on him and his ambition for more power and to hold said power
The only light in which you can believe Otto to be less than scum is if you believe he really did believed that Aegon's claim was so strong that someone would inevitably use it against Rhaenyra or that Rhaenyra herself would slaughter her half brothers. If you take that for a truth, then Otto has only ever been preparing for an inevitable succession that Viserys refused to foresaw and protecting his family in the process. But no, I don't see it that way.
Daemon is my favorite cuz like rhaenyra said he is really pathetic, when he doesn’t get his way he either pouts and whines like a baby or goes on a a suicide mission like with the crab feeder
Rhaenyra isn't the most "virtuous" of women ( she acted out a lot in the first season lol put a lot in jeopardy ) and yet she's a far better mother than Alicent. Alicent always kept "composure" and all, but no real connexion to those that surround her, even her children, and it will bite her in the end..
Otto wants Aegon on throne because he is his own blood and he knows there would be many lords who would not accept Rhenayra as queen and would forcefully try to get Aegon as king, which would lead to Rhenayra to have competion killed, eventually leading to some kinda war. He thinks a lot ahead and tries hard to keep peace. I think that was one of the reasons why he suggested her marriage to Aegon in season 1.
That’s the problem though he thinks to far ahead not knowing the choices or the outcomes they don’t know that rhaenyera would be accepted or not and she could easily stopped anything progressing had she been given the chance but that chance was stolen from her before she was ever told about her fathers death. Now Otto’s choices and consequences are coming to bite him in the ass.
otto would never support rhaenyra or give any reason to the blacks he simply wanted to lower aegon's morale so he could continue manipulating but it backfired. aegon never wanted to be king now he lost his son partly because of his family's ambition. on the other hand alicent criston and daemon stress me out this season, when rhaenyra called daemon pathetic i felt happy he deserved it. daemon this season is stressful i really dislike him even if criston cole beats him it's more stressful.
that makes it even worse for the Greens, cause it causes the same situation they were opposing. but yes his male heir would be Aemond right now, and it could cause another succession battle
@@belancicmyeah it puts them in the exact position with Rhaenyra which plunged them into war in the first place. We know it's a patriarchal system, and male heirs are considered top priority. Aemond (if he has any ambition) would certainly be put in odds with his own brother. But I got spoiled and I know there's another sibling to Aegon called Daeron Targaryen that could come out in s3. And that maybe Maelor hasn't been born yet.
These two are so good at their reactions. Ange always coming through with the funny one liners. Also they are so spot on with saying that Otto gets unfair criticism. He's a complex man but he does know what is right and wrong and isn't just some evil guy who does evil things like say Daemon does. Proof of that is when he confronted Aegon and said they were poorer for it, now that Viserys was dead.
To be fair, we have seen Alicent being a bad mother as early as ep 4 s1, which is as soon as we saw baby Aegon. It became even more evident when we had scenes with Rhaenyra as a mother to compare with. Alicent’s children always cried around her and she was quick to give them away to her maids. We even had that scene in ep 9 when Aegon openly asks if she even loves him. And yes, it makes sense that since she had no love or affection from Otto, she will have none for her own children, but 20 years later we see the results of this cycle. They are more like pawns in their game, rather than her children, just like she was in Otto’s game.
“Won’t send her own son, but will send daemons daughter.” huh? 🫠 she’s having her patrol the skies from way out. Jacaerys’ mission was all the more extreme, come on now. Baela is honored to have the relationship with rhaenyra.
there’s literally no logical reason to support team green. even they themselves know that there usurpers. it’s one thing to love and enjoy the characters and another to think they’re in the right
@@Leoners_Ryan Condal himself said in his last podcast that Aegon has more claim by Jahaerys council, westeros laws and andal traditions. Rhaenyra's only argument is "I am the heir because my father said it was me" Condal's own words lmao, then he goes on to say that the lords are just bounded by their oath or their fathers oath but they know that Aegon has more claim.
@@Leoners_I love when you guys say “usurper” like we’re supposed to care. even ignoring aegon’s valid claim to the throne, are we supposed to see him sitting the throne as some grievous sin? rhaenyra is a usurper according to history, robert baratheon is also a usurper, robb stark is a rebel to the crown, daenerys will eventually become a usurper too etc
At the very least for the Cargyll Twins, in the present timeline their story has become legend. No one cares about the politics of the Dance of Dragons when it comes to them: every man, woman, and child in the Seven Kingdoms knows them as paragons of fraternal love and knightly duty. It's kind of beautiful.
the comparison between Rhaneyra and Alicent is so wrong by Ange, Rhaneyra nerver said that she's perfect or never done anything wrong, but alicent was acting like a nun but it turns out she's just a hypocrite
Rhaenyra legit let people die and tried to get her own brother punished for calling out her children as obvious bastards. Punishing people for calling your illegitimate kids illegitimate is worse than Cole being a hypocrite and calling out Arryk for not protecting the kids.
Fabien Frankel, the actor for Ser Crispy, had to recently turn off and limit his comments on social media because of the vitriol he was receiving. It's really sad that some of the general population can't split the actor from the character. The sad part of playing a truly vile character really well.
@@CarlieAndAnge Incredibly awful. I hope he's doing fine. Sidenote: I absolutely adore this channel. When it's an especially bad day, I always come back and binge one of your playlists and it instantly lifts my mood! Thank you two for being genuine and awesome! 🥰
I dont think there's one word that perfectly sums up Daemon, but he is definitely narcissistic to a certain degree. He has a very set image of what a Targaryen/Valyrian should be and considers himself the only one who truly fulfills that. He liked Rhaenyra when she was young and impulsive, but now that she's more mature and temperate he dislikes her for being similar to Viserys. He definitely loved Viserys very deeply, but he still only seems to truly _value_ people based on how closely they act like him
I actually do now think Otto really just wants the job of being a hand. I think the only reason he wants one of his family on the throne is so it'll make his job better cause he thinks with his family in there he could control them better. Like he doesn't want Daemon to be the king cause he knows Daemon hates him and he is chaotic. He also doesn't think a woman should be the ruler cause he is also a conservative man. But at the end of the day he does want what is better for the realm. He has been the hand for three generations and all of those have been peaceful. Now I think he really regrets making Aegon king.
I am team black and only green I like is Helaena. Aegon killed innocents to get one guilty guy. Otto Hightower got innocent lords and people loyal to Rhaenyra hanged to get Aegon on the throne, I surely hope Otto will atone for his sins after realizing that he made a mistake to get Aegon on the throne.
Otto is a really complex character, i dont know why plp read him so bad, he is the only one that really care about the realm, from season 1 he has been foreseeing problems way ahaed of everyone else and has been trying to solved before it happen, but plp dont listen
@@Milwaukhehe Yes, but it is not only because he wants the power, he has a lot of power already, his focus from the beginning of the series were more to prevent Daemon to get to throne and a lot of the thing that he did was to accomplish that goal.
One of the few people that actually points out how Alicent is desperate for someone, and how she can't show affection to her children because her father can't be bothered to do it for her.
Viserys was not good ,he was terrible king and father and Otto misses him suddenly because he was easy to manipulate and he though Aegon will be the same but he is not
Aegon destroying Viseryss lego set is a great symbolism on what kind of king he is going to be from now on , I felt soo bad tho cause Viserys spent a lifetime on this
I personally feel that HOTD season 2 is not showing gratuitous sex and violence they seem to let the viewers imagination do the rest. Sticking a lot to intrigue and politics.
Why are you cutting out the scene with the mention of Daeron? Do you even realize how important this is? Although what can a Team black fans understand, what am I talking about
Criston cole is the worst? really thats the title where going with? lol compared to daemon n what he did in the previous episode and how he acted in this one?.........I get it criston is a hypocrite but come on keep the same level of anger and hate with daemon and other characters. Not hating on u guys though looking forward to the rest of ur reactions.
@@thatoneblackdude3333Rhaenyra is betrayed by so many people in the books the only one who stays truly loyal until the end is Daemon even if she doesnt trust him.
@@CloeC-u9t nope but he was not with them everyday all day he was literally in a sick bed in all their formative years till he died except Aegon who he did spend a good amount of time with till after Rhaenyras wedding where he just started to get too sick thats why he has the most daddy issues because he did get a good taste of fatherly love till it ceased
That's false. We've seen Alicent being with Helaena time and again even though she doesn't really understand Helaena since she's on the spectrum. On episode 9 of season 1, Alicent also put herself in between Aegon and Rhaenys' dragon. She's literally willing to die first for her son.
The best part of this episode for me was Otto calling Cole's plan "a prank".. The worst part was Alicent ignoring her grieving son crying in front of her..
Otto was wrong to yell at his grieving grandson who look for revenge and Criston plan was actually good people will not admit because they hate Cole but Rhanyra only survived because Mysaria recognised Arryk it was luck
@@queenxx1690 Otto was not wrong to yell at him.. Grieving doesn't excuse killing dozens of innocent men. I do understand him, but what he did was wrong, outrageous even. I know Cole's plan was good, but it was still refreshing and satisfying to hear Otto belittle him.
@@Nauma3Aegon wanted revenge for is son and Otto was doing nothing but if he is so great why he wanted send assasins to slay Rhaenyra in s1 when even Daemon was around , hang nobles which would have more consequences than just hang common folk so he did the same what Aegon did he just hate the fact that Aegon did not tell him and that he cannot control him like he did Vis so he suddenly miss him and the way he could play Viserys
@@queenxx1690 I didn't say Otto was good lol the point here is that Aegon messed up the whole spectacle they just did with his son's body to gain the common people's empathy, not that Otto is such a good man who felt bad for killing ratcatchers. Aegon could have brought the ratcatchers in front of Blood and ordered him to identify which one of them helped him, but he was blinded by rage and just killed all of them.
I have to disagree about Alicent doing everything the right way in season one. She was a hypocrite from day one. She knew her father sent her to the King to manipulate him and her supposed honor didnt compel her to report it to the king. She went along with the scheme, and visited the king at the request of Otto. "wear one of your mothers dresses". She knew Larys killed the hand of the king the second most powerful person in the realm and his son. She didnt report it to the king, instead she used it to put her father back in power. She was letting Larys masturbate to her feet, while the king laid sick in bed. She attacked Rhanera in front of everyone and cut her. She disobeyed the king countless times. She attempted to steal driftmark from Luke while the king laid sick in bed. The list goes on and on. I understand people are team green, but I think to say you are team green because of team green doing things the right way is incorrect. Otto was plotting since day one as the hand of the king lets not forget.
This is very true. I enjoy her complexity, but that's what she was in season 1. She didn't do everything right, but also she is a continued victim of the system. Rhaenyra said Alicent was "hiding beneath the cloak of your own righteousness" for a reason - they were both kind of right and kind of wrong in that confrontation.
I mean Alicent realising it's wrong but still doing it regardless is exactly what makes her a hypocrite. Double down with the fact she preaches someone else to do what's right, while she herself can't practice it. Whereas Rhaenyra, she lives with her own rule, she just doesn't care. Doesn't make her better than the hypocrite Alicent... On second thought.. maybe it is better than hypocrisy... Idk.
Her son is the heir so she obviously can't risk his life... Baela is literally the single dragonrider available with Daemon gone and Meleys guarding the Narrow Sea
She has a bunch of other heirs who could take his place if he dies. Rhaenyra's decision was allowing her personal feelings to overwhelm her politics, a direct mirror to the Greens who allow politics to overwhelm personal feelings.
@@vincegalila7211 She has only 4 dragon riders, 2 are out, and 1 it's her heir... Baela in this scenario is the only choice. And she probably know that Baela is less impulsive than Jace.
Otto caused a majority of this mess. If he never manipulated Alicent to seduce Viserys and never manipulated her against Rhaenyra and tried less to do the same with Viserys none of this would have happened.
Not really what happened. Having his daughter console the grieving king can be framed as "manipulation" or simply doing the job of Hand well. Then he correctly predicted there would be a conflict over Rhaenyra's succession and warned his own daughter who would be in danger. It's not his fault that this conflict between Alicent and Rhaenyra had to emerge.
@@Dystisis he knew exactly what he was doing when he sent Alicent to Viserys. If it were truly about healing there would be many other ways but he chose the one that gave him a direct pipeline to power. Season one did not pull back on showing how that was always Ottos goal. Power. He got his wish with an idiot unstable king on the throne now.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 lmaooooo wtf when did that happen? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Is team black now making up shit to console themselves? Sunfyre was already gravely injured at Rook's Rest. When it reached Dragonstone it stomped on Moon Dancer like an ant. It was SHEEPSTEALER who injure him (and them died as well. Sunfyre was unkillable). Go read the books, FOOL 😂😂
I cant redeem Otto since he "gave" her daughter to Viserys when he lost her wife and son. But Cole is giving his all to be next to Otto on my "most hated HOTD characters" list x)
Rhaenyera sending baela was smart instead of jace she knows jace isn’t in the right mindset and would gladly go after any member of the greens for vengeance sending baela was smart because moondancer is much faster and younger and can blend better.
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Sooooo......LETS GO TEAM BLACK!!!
Hypocrisy. 😅
LOL the flip flopping is hilarious!
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They're pulling a littlefinger
HAHAHAHAH I love you
Aegons actor went WILD this episode
and last he will carry this season
"What has Sir Criston Cole done?"
"Your daughter"
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Everyone brought their A game to this episode. The acting is top tier
aegon’s actor KILLED it this episode.
Traitors and villains!
love his comedy 🤣
This episode is probably my favourite of the whole series so far. Acting and writing is amazing. The Otto, Aegon and Criston scene my personal favourite, Rhys Ifans absolutely killed that scene. The twins scene was amazing as well.
Better than episode 8, no way
@@jacksonperez5615 This and 8 are definitely my top 2. The Otto scene just puts this one over the line for me.
Rhys Ifans is IMHO the MVP of an episode with many great acting performances!
He really made me feel for Ott in his scene with Aegon and Cole - and I usually hate Otto! 🙂
God the Rhaenyra/Daemon and Otto/Aegon scenes. dialogue is just spectacular
@@mori1bundSame. Otto was such a snake in S1, but that scene with him, Aegon and Cole was masterful. You could see the realization dawn on him in real time just what his machinations has gotten him - headaches and treachery, having backed a bad horse and losing who was actually a good man and once his good friend. A better king than even Otto realized, beyond "pliability" because of all the things Aegon lacks as a ruler.
22:28 Thank you, Ange. I've been saying that since season 1. Otto gets over hated simply because he's Team Green but he's actually brilliant and plays the long game. As early as like episode 3 of season 1, he already gave sage advice to Viserys to marry Rhaenyra to Aegon and that would have stopped this civil war.
Otto is hated because he's trying to steal the throne for his family with schemes and dirty tricks, from the moment on when he pimped out his own daughter to Visaerys. He gave advice to marry Rhaenyra to Aegon because Rhaenyra was the heiress and it would have secured a Hightower on the throne. But he did NOT give the sage advice to Visaerys to marry Leana Velaryon (Lyonel Strong, who *actually* had the best interest of the 7 kingdoms in mind, did that!) Instead he sent his daughter to the king to "console" him.
But yes, he's a brilliant master manipulator and plays the long game. 😀
the problem is that his obsessiveness with putting Aegon on the throne is what started this conflict
@@lotus2001 He only put Aegon on the throne to stop a civil war, but his plan backfired. A lot of the lords were already against Rhaenyra and were most likely planning to rebel because she was a woman. Otto knew this and assumed Viserys would name his son heir once he was born but Viserys fumbled and it led to the civil war the Jaeharys (an actual good king) avoided by naming Viserys heir over Rhaenys despite Rhaenys being the better choice. Rhaenyra was only able to be named heir because of the fact that Rhaenys wasn't able to be named heir which is a hypocritical paradox.
@@hawks7111 you sound just like a Hightower lol because if Otto didn’t think she could be king why did he need to parade a child’s body through the streets and accuse her of murder
'I think that's turning him on'.. absolutely lost it 😂😂😂😂😂
Rhaenyra isn’t sending Baela out instead of Jace because she sees her as disposable, but because she knows Jace isn’t in the right mindset.
Not that there isn’t more to it- obviously she’s hesitant to send him, he’s HER HEIR, but cmon now, Rhaenyra isn’t that type of person. The scene DIRECTLY before that one is Daemon and Rhaenyra fighting over the harm of an innocent child.
Jace is on a warpath; he seeks vengeance. If the leaks are to be believed, he will definitely leap at the chance to engage with the greens. So she is sending Baela because she won’t be irrational and emotional. I mean, Rhaenyra literally told her to keep her distance, (so she wouldn’t be at risk for being shot out of the sky).
yeah i fully think Baela is her child anyway. And that "I depend on you, Baela" was 100% a trust thing, not a "I'm sending you to die because I don't want my son dying" thing.
rhaenyra comforted jace in his grief while alicent just stood there and watched aegon 😅
rhaenyra had loving parents, alicent didnt. rhaenyra had a say in her marriage and became a mother willingly, alicent didnt. rhaenyra’s first born is an honorable dude, alicent disowned aegon for r*ping the servant. now piece that all together and figure out why alicent was incapable of comforting aegon
@@smiteoRhaenyra lost her mim at the same age as alicent and her father ignored her after her mom died stop trying to defended alicent
r.i.p. arryk & erryk --- the twins were duty-bound, loyal and honorable, but in this show threats to one's honor can make you the puppet of scoundrels.
Never was a fan rly of Otto but he was my favorite this episode. The Actor was so great in this one, rly outstanding
100% correct about Otto. He is so smart, and knows that he is dealing with idiots
Idiots that he schemed for years to put into power. He has only himself to blame tbh.
In that moment before surrendering his Hand status, you could see it on his face this perfect "Gods...this is what all this game-playing has gotten me." And seeing him genuinely feel for what he lost with Viserys, beyond him being "pliable" like Larys said - even when Viserys went against him, he was at minimum a man of good and balanced intentions.
It took all of this for Otto to realize that Viserys was a better man and king than even he realized, but only after he died and purposefully went against his once good friend's will.
"CRISTON COLE IS THE WORST" could be the tagline of the series
I almost wanted to drop the show when Cole was blackmailing Arryk. That conversation rattled me to my bones.
Notice how Daemong says “my brothers crown”. Daemon wants war, he wants to go and set the entire green bloodline into flames for what he believes was the murder of his brother. He has no interest in the crown or ruling it, Rhanyra having him do nothing is what pisses him off
Finally a mention of the green goat Daeron ✅
@@sportsrocky most do
more like trash
the only one real GOAT is Daemon
@@hereiam8 here we go again
I love the fighting here.. 😂
@@hereiam8daemon of all people? lmao nobody was
Aegon is unbelievable this season!! What a character and what a performance 🙌🏼
Otto gets over hated😭, he literally put everything that’s happening right now in motion. He caused all of this
So how is he over hated if everything is his fault? lmao if all the blame can be linked to him id say he is justly hated if not underhated all of this bullshit is on him and his ambition for more power and to hold said power
Every single character caused this, literally every one of them made mistakes that led them to war
Otto is not hated enough for me. He has always been number 1 on my shit list until Criston Cole overtook him in this episode.
The only light in which you can believe Otto to be less than scum is if you believe he really did believed that Aegon's claim was so strong that someone would inevitably use it against Rhaenyra or that Rhaenyra herself would slaughter her half brothers.
If you take that for a truth, then Otto has only ever been preparing for an inevitable succession that Viserys refused to foresaw and protecting his family in the process.
But no, I don't see it that way.
Otto is overhated? tell me your a delusional green fan without telling me, he caused most of the problems!
Daemon is my favorite cuz like rhaenyra said he is really pathetic, when he doesn’t get his way he either pouts and whines like a baby or goes on a a suicide mission like with the crab feeder
Overcompensates like a son of a bitch 😂 he and Aemond are fittingly even more alike in that way, on top of "second son syndrome."
Rhaenyra isn't the most "virtuous" of women ( she acted out a lot in the first season lol put a lot in jeopardy ) and yet she's a far better mother than Alicent.
Alicent always kept "composure" and all, but no real connexion to those that surround her, even her children, and it will bite her in the end..
Otto wants Aegon on throne because he is his own blood and he knows there would be many lords who would not accept Rhenayra as queen and would forcefully try to get Aegon as king, which would lead to Rhenayra to have competion killed, eventually leading to some kinda war.
He thinks a lot ahead and tries hard to keep peace. I think that was one of the reasons why he suggested her marriage to Aegon in season 1.
That’s the problem though he thinks to far ahead not knowing the choices or the outcomes they don’t know that rhaenyera would be accepted or not and she could easily stopped anything progressing had she been given the chance but that chance was stolen from her before she was ever told about her fathers death. Now Otto’s choices and consequences are coming to bite him in the ass.
Always glad to see your notification guys 💚💚💚
otto would never support rhaenyra or give any reason to the blacks he simply wanted to lower aegon's morale so he could continue manipulating but it backfired. aegon never wanted to be king now he lost his son partly because of his family's ambition. on the other hand alicent criston and daemon stress me out this season, when rhaenyra called daemon pathetic i felt happy he deserved it. daemon this season is stressful i really dislike him even if criston cole beats him it's more stressful.
Really good analysis lol
Caraxes- mount of Prince Daemon
Vhagar- mount of Prince Aemond
Syrax- mount of Queen Rhaenyra
Sir Criston Cole- mount of Queen Alicent
Waiting for your ep 3 video. You guys are one of the very few channels who apericiate charcters on both side & the story show is trying to tell ❤️.
Team black 🖤 all the way, they can Neva make me love the greens 💚
Read the books
I am team black as well but I find the greens more interesting
@@soahamtripathy2113 why ?
@@soahamtripathy2113 i'm team black
and team green are pure boring trash
@@user-yp7ke4et7o you are the one who should read it lmao
im still mad they removed Maelor (Helena's 3rd child) from the series. So Aegon now doesn't have a male heir?
that makes it even worse for the Greens, cause it causes the same situation they were opposing. but yes his male heir would be Aemond right now, and it could cause another succession battle
@@belancicmyeah it puts them in the exact position with Rhaenyra which plunged them into war in the first place. We know it's a patriarchal system, and male heirs are considered top priority. Aemond (if he has any ambition) would certainly be put in odds with his own brother. But I got spoiled and I know there's another sibling to Aegon called Daeron Targaryen that could come out in s3. And that maybe Maelor hasn't been born yet.
I must say, in hard times personally i truly appreciate you guys and your reactions. Makes me think of other things. Cheers guys!
I really love my brother. This episode was difficult.
House of the Dragon is a comedy in disguise 😂😂
These two are so good at their reactions. Ange always coming through with the funny one liners. Also they are so spot on with saying that Otto gets unfair criticism. He's a complex man but he does know what is right and wrong and isn't just some evil guy who does evil things like say Daemon does. Proof of that is when he confronted Aegon and said they were poorer for it, now that Viserys was dead.
To be fair, we have seen Alicent being a bad mother as early as ep 4 s1, which is as soon as we saw baby Aegon. It became even more evident when we had scenes with Rhaenyra as a mother to compare with. Alicent’s children always cried around her and she was quick to give them away to her maids. We even had that scene in ep 9 when Aegon openly asks if she even loves him. And yes, it makes sense that since she had no love or affection from Otto, she will have none for her own children, but 20 years later we see the results of this cycle. They are more like pawns in their game, rather than her children, just like she was in Otto’s game.
Otto is my favorite character by far
“Won’t send her own son, but will send daemons daughter.” huh? 🫠 she’s having her patrol the skies from way out. Jacaerys’ mission was all the more extreme, come on now. Baela is honored to have the relationship with rhaenyra.
My bad! Thought it was the same mission
Team Green all the way 💚
there’s literally no logical reason to support team green. even they themselves know that there usurpers. it’s one thing to love and enjoy the characters and another to think they’re in the right
@@Leoners_Ryan Condal himself said in his last podcast that Aegon has more claim by Jahaerys council, westeros laws and andal traditions. Rhaenyra's only argument is "I am the heir because my father said it was me" Condal's own words lmao, then he goes on to say that the lords are just bounded by their oath or their fathers oath but they know that Aegon has more claim.
@Leoners_ you have clearly never read the books.
Well according to how the show is going it's making it hard to choose a side, but in the books its way too obvious which side is more depraved
@@Leoners_I love when you guys say “usurper” like we’re supposed to care. even ignoring aegon’s valid claim to the throne, are we supposed to see him sitting the throne as some grievous sin? rhaenyra is a usurper according to history, robert baratheon is also a usurper, robb stark is a rebel to the crown, daenerys will eventually become a usurper too etc
Absolutely love the intro every time
At the very least for the Cargyll Twins, in the present timeline their story has become legend. No one cares about the politics of the Dance of Dragons when it comes to them: every man, woman, and child in the Seven Kingdoms knows them as paragons of fraternal love and knightly duty. It's kind of beautiful.
There's a reason why daemon is called the rogue prince 😌
the comparison between Rhaneyra and Alicent is so wrong by Ange, Rhaneyra nerver said that she's perfect or never done anything wrong, but alicent was acting like a nun but it turns out she's just a hypocrite
Not u talking about hypocrite lol look at everything first
I think Rhaenyra in Season 1 was much like Alicent now. Rhaenyra was running rampant doing whatever she pleased
Rhaenyra legit let people die and tried to get her own brother punished for calling out her children as obvious bastards. Punishing people for calling your illegitimate kids illegitimate is worse than Cole being a hypocrite and calling out Arryk for not protecting the kids.
@@CarlieAndAnge But Rhaenyra didn't play the Saint as Alicent does... That's the difference
@@CameronkAK Nah, calling her sons as bastards was treason, and that's what Viserys said.
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In this show, the “morally correct” is the first to die. They don’t have the same laws or land as others. Medieval times for real
Everyone does something wrong in their life, but the people who do wrong, recognize it, and continue to wrong are the truly evil ones
Fabien Frankel, the actor for Ser Crispy, had to recently turn off and limit his comments on social media because of the vitriol he was receiving. It's really sad that some of the general population can't split the actor from the character. The sad part of playing a truly vile character really well.
Thats awful. He’s playing Criston so well
@@CarlieAndAnge Incredibly awful. I hope he's doing fine.
Sidenote: I absolutely adore this channel. When it's an especially bad day, I always come back and binge one of your playlists and it instantly lifts my mood! Thank you two for being genuine and awesome! 🥰
I dont think there's one word that perfectly sums up Daemon, but he is definitely narcissistic to a certain degree. He has a very set image of what a Targaryen/Valyrian should be and considers himself the only one who truly fulfills that. He liked Rhaenyra when she was young and impulsive, but now that she's more mature and temperate he dislikes her for being similar to Viserys. He definitely loved Viserys very deeply, but he still only seems to truly _value_ people based on how closely they act like him
Compare Queen Rhaenyra's motherhood to Alicent's motherhood.
compare Viserys being a father to Rhaenyra vs Otto with Alicent. it's all a mirror.
I actually do now think Otto really just wants the job of being a hand. I think the only reason he wants one of his family on the throne is so it'll make his job better cause he thinks with his family in there he could control them better. Like he doesn't want Daemon to be the king cause he knows Daemon hates him and he is chaotic. He also doesn't think a woman should be the ruler cause he is also a conservative man. But at the end of the day he does want what is better for the realm. He has been the hand for three generations and all of those have been peaceful. Now I think he really regrets making Aegon king.
thanks guys!~ love the reactions!!
that "your daughter" is comedy gold 😂
I am team black and only green I like is Helaena.
Aegon killed innocents to get one guilty guy. Otto Hightower got innocent lords and people loyal to Rhaenyra hanged to get Aegon on the throne, I surely hope Otto will atone for his sins after realizing that he made a mistake to get Aegon on the throne.
She sent her for the lookout because Jace is her heir and now she can see the danger, even to messengers.
Otto is a really complex character, i dont know why plp read him so bad, he is the only one that really care about the realm, from season 1 he has been foreseeing problems way ahaed of everyone else and has been trying to solved before it happen, but plp dont listen
@UCwOlokyIgXDZov4eW1ko0Ng thanks 😝 , im just gonna point out with Otto out of the picture, things are going downhill from here 😅
The problems exist because of him
@@Milwaukhehe Yes, but it is not only because he wants the power, he has a lot of power already, his focus from the beginning of the series were more to prevent Daemon to get to throne and a lot of the thing that he did was to accomplish that goal.
52 seconds ago is crazy!!
@YTCarlieAndAnge1. 🤣🤣
I'm sorry but that was hilarious. Both exclaiming a the same time , NOOOOOOOO!!! Poor Otto. 🤣🤣
Rhaenyra making the same mistakes as her father will cost her. Daemon is right
that would be interesting, wouldn't it? but, i'm afraid they don't intend to write Nyra in that light. oh well.
Cole is a legend
"Otto doesn't really get rattled, does he?" - that didnt age well ange 🤣🤣🤣
I love otto this episode 🥺💖🫶🔥 such a great actorrr
17:12 I laughed so hard
@17:15 absolutely dead at how you guys were howling over that shitstain Cole failing upwards.
The intro cover is crazy
One of the few people that actually points out how Alicent is desperate for someone, and how she can't show affection to her children because her father can't be bothered to do it for her.
"Give to Sir. Hypocrisy", "this is a comedy now, is a funny show", "he's the worst"... And this my friends is the definition of the Green side.
The writers had a field day on this one, I see D&D symptoms of failure and I'm worried
Give it to Cole... NNNNOOOOOO!!! 😆😆
WHY DOES EVERY REACTOR GET THIS WRONG THE GOLDCLOAK KICKED THE DOG
Never clicked this fast
Team green is so f'ed up even they considering Alicent the hypocrites and otto the childs pimp are their best players.😂
please check out "moving" (2023)
Viserys was not good ,he was terrible king and father and Otto misses him suddenly because he was easy to manipulate and he though Aegon will be the same but he is not
AliCole is show invention, terrible one they assassinated Kingmaker character and Alicent too to some extend
Team Rhaenys all the way! The Queen who never was.
This episode made officially a criston cole hater
Aegon destroying Viseryss lego set is a great symbolism on what kind of king he is going to be from now on , I felt soo bad tho cause Viserys spent a lifetime on this
Finally Aegon did it. Viserys should spend more time with his children than built lego city.
I cheered when aegon destroyed that
@@paulkellerman2603 atlas Aegon love his son more than a lego stone like papa Viserys
I personally feel that HOTD season 2 is not showing gratuitous sex and violence they seem to let the viewers imagination do the rest. Sticking a lot to intrigue and politics.
Green actors far superior characters have depth. Team black boring
STOP complaining about Criston when y’all are Team Green !
Why are you cutting out the scene with the mention of Daeron? Do you even realize how important this is? Although what can a Team black fans understand, what am I talking about
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Criston cole is the worst? really thats the title where going with? lol compared to daemon n what he did in the previous episode and how he acted in this one?.........I get it criston is a hypocrite but come on keep the same level of anger and hate with daemon and other characters. Not hating on u guys though looking forward to the rest of ur reactions.
sooo, YOU'RE STILL TEAM GREEN??? hahahah
Yep the only bad part of the greens is christen cole being a nerd
@@jacksonperez5615I'm pretty sure you don't know what a nerd is.
@@jacksonperez5615 They really ruined him in the series. This one is no match for the Kingmaker from the book.
@@jacksonperez5615dude be serious not even team green are team green otto literally called them all out on their bullshit
@@goro114 He's a piece of shit in the books too
the show killed the greens for me
@YTCarlieAndAnge1 I was team green lmao but aemond is still my fav
It sorta feels like Daemon is running off to (I guess Harrenhall?) to "prove" himself to Rhaenyra like he did with the Stepstones and Viserys.
Basically he just wants approval and trust but because he's so impulsive he's not going to get it .
@@thatoneblackdude3333Rhaenyra is betrayed by so many people in the books the only one who stays truly loyal until the end is Daemon even if she doesnt trust him.
@@YounaPun Didn't Daemon betrayed Rhaenyra with Nettles?
@@jonblackfyre Rumors that i'm pretty sure were lies just so she could lose trust in Daemon
So basically Daemon is like ancient homelander with no superpower but a Dragon 😂
"she's not shown any kindness from her father so how can she show that to her son?" !!!! THIS!!! 🙏 the poison drips through... 💔
Poison is also on the black council. Viserys never punished Rhaenyra fo her wrong doings, and Rhaenyra doesn't do anything for Daemon's crimes.
Aegon, Aemond and Helaena receive no love from their actual mother and they are all the worse for it
Like I have been telling everyone she is such a shitty mom especially to Halaena
Did they received love from their father ?
@@CloeC-u9t nope but he was not with them everyday all day he was literally in a sick bed in all their formative years till he died except Aegon who he did spend a good amount of time with till after Rhaenyras wedding where he just started to get too sick thats why he has the most daddy issues because he did get a good taste of fatherly love till it ceased
That's false. We've seen Alicent being with Helaena time and again even though she doesn't really understand Helaena since she's on the spectrum. On episode 9 of season 1, Alicent also put herself in between Aegon and Rhaenys' dragon. She's literally willing to die first for her son.
@@beige_projection thats just parently duty not love
The best part of this episode for me was Otto calling Cole's plan "a prank"..
The worst part was Alicent ignoring her grieving son crying in front of her..
Otto was wrong to yell at his grieving grandson who look for revenge and Criston plan was actually good people will not admit because they hate Cole but Rhanyra only survived because Mysaria recognised Arryk it was luck
@@queenxx1690 Otto was not wrong to yell at him.. Grieving doesn't excuse killing dozens of innocent men. I do understand him, but what he did was wrong, outrageous even.
I know Cole's plan was good, but it was still refreshing and satisfying to hear Otto belittle him.
@@Nauma3Aegon wanted revenge for is son and Otto was doing nothing but if he is so great why he wanted send assasins to slay Rhaenyra in s1 when even Daemon was around , hang nobles which would have more consequences than just hang common folk so he did the same what Aegon did he just hate the fact that Aegon did not tell him and that he cannot control him like he did Vis so he suddenly miss him and the way he could play Viserys
@@queenxx1690 I didn't say Otto was good lol the point here is that Aegon messed up the whole spectacle they just did with his son's body to gain the common people's empathy, not that Otto is such a good man who felt bad for killing ratcatchers. Aegon could have brought the ratcatchers in front of Blood and ordered him to identify which one of them helped him, but he was blinded by rage and just killed all of them.
I have to disagree about Alicent doing everything the right way in season one. She was a hypocrite from day one. She knew her father sent her to the King to manipulate him and her supposed honor didnt compel her to report it to the king. She went along with the scheme, and visited the king at the request of Otto. "wear one of your mothers dresses". She knew Larys killed the hand of the king the second most powerful person in the realm and his son. She didnt report it to the king, instead she used it to put her father back in power. She was letting Larys masturbate to her feet, while the king laid sick in bed. She attacked Rhanera in front of everyone and cut her. She disobeyed the king countless times. She attempted to steal driftmark from Luke while the king laid sick in bed. The list goes on and on. I understand people are team green, but I think to say you are team green because of team green doing things the right way is incorrect. Otto was plotting since day one as the hand of the king lets not forget.
This is very true. I enjoy her complexity, but that's what she was in season 1. She didn't do everything right, but also she is a continued victim of the system. Rhaenyra said Alicent was "hiding beneath the cloak of your own righteousness" for a reason - they were both kind of right and kind of wrong in that confrontation.
I mean Alicent realising it's wrong but still doing it regardless is exactly what makes her a hypocrite. Double down with the fact she preaches someone else to do what's right, while she herself can't practice it.
Whereas Rhaenyra, she lives with her own rule, she just doesn't care. Doesn't make her better than the hypocrite Alicent... On second thought.. maybe it is better than hypocrisy... Idk.
Alicent in this episode was wild. Imagine having sex with the man that took your fathers place right after watching your son breaking down in grief. 💀
They both like it rough tho
She's under a lot of stress
@@LuisSierra42So what? So is Rhaenyra. You don't see her boning her Kingsguard.
@@Rated_RMN Rhaenyra has boned half the men in the realm. She is public property at this point.
@@rohanshende4338is what a grapist would say.
Rhys Ifans Emma Darcy and Tom Glynn-Carney killed it this episode 🔥🔥
Her son is the heir so she obviously can't risk his life... Baela is literally the single dragonrider available with Daemon gone and Meleys guarding the Narrow Sea
She has three spares, this is motivated more by love and fear than by duty. Which is understandable.
She has a bunch of other heirs who could take his place if he dies. Rhaenyra's decision was allowing her personal feelings to overwhelm her politics, a direct mirror to the Greens who allow politics to overwhelm personal feelings.
@@vincegalila7211 She has only 4 dragon riders, 2 are out, and 1 it's her heir... Baela in this scenario is the only choice. And she probably know that Baela is less impulsive than Jace.
@@guruxara7994 His Trip's to the Vale and the North occured without incident. Also technically 5.
@@vincegalila7211 Yes, but there's nothing in the North, in the South he could act impulsively trying to avenge his brother. And it's 4.
Team green anybody ... no just me .......ok
It’s you and some other weird people
@@DAFR2849 let's be honest what did the greens do other than play the game of thrones the person everyone should be angry with is king viserys
The reactors lol.
Criston can’t get over being rejected while all he had to offer were oranges and a life on the run😒 bro move on
Bro is so salty that Rhaenyra didn’t want to sell oranges with his ass😭
@@Sdbbarry can’t believe he still holds a grudge 😭 like no dude, she won’t trade the crown for some oranges and cinnamon
Green 💚
Otto caused a majority of this mess. If he never manipulated Alicent to seduce Viserys and never manipulated her against Rhaenyra and tried less to do the same with Viserys none of this would have happened.
Not really what happened. Having his daughter console the grieving king can be framed as "manipulation" or simply doing the job of Hand well. Then he correctly predicted there would be a conflict over Rhaenyra's succession and warned his own daughter who would be in danger. It's not his fault that this conflict between Alicent and Rhaenyra had to emerge.
@@Dystisis he knew exactly what he was doing when he sent Alicent to Viserys. If it were truly about healing there would be many other ways but he chose the one that gave him a direct pipeline to power. Season one did not pull back on showing how that was always Ottos goal. Power. He got his wish with an idiot unstable king on the throne now.
@@Dystisis He started the succession crisis and pushed for it.
Well Moon Dancer is faster and less noticeable so it makes sense to send an almost invisible dragon to spy
Also her son is a bit impulsive and eager for revenge so Jace is more likely to act out then Bela.
Sunfyre : "Oo my sweet summer child...."
@@rohanshende4338 acting like moon dancer doesn't fuck sunfyre up leading to its death.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 lmaooooo wtf when did that happen? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Is team black now making up shit to console themselves? Sunfyre was already gravely injured at Rook's Rest. When it reached Dragonstone it stomped on Moon Dancer like an ant. It was SHEEPSTEALER who injure him (and them died as well. Sunfyre was unkillable).
Go read the books, FOOL 😂😂
She is scared to send her son but Baela can go and die hypocrite Rhaenyra send others to die in her war while she sit in castles doing nothing
Poor Alicante's problem is she was a child when she had children.
First timer here. Subbed and liked. The guitar solo...😍😍🤩🤩
I cant redeem Otto since he "gave" her daughter to Viserys when he lost her wife and son. But Cole is giving his all to be next to Otto on my "most hated HOTD characters" list x)
@YTCarlieAndAnge1 @CharlieAndAnge watch out with this scammers ~
Rhaenyera sending baela was smart instead of jace she knows jace isn’t in the right mindset and would gladly go after any member of the greens for vengeance sending baela was smart because moondancer is much faster and younger and can blend better.
daemon remains my favorite