Probably wouldn't pay $200 for it, but do like Pagarni watches to wear for work or getting my hands dirty. As you mentioned, there are other offerings to be had from San Martin and Seestern that offer more for less, but I've got to say, that dial and all it's detail is breathtaking. Great review.
I gave up on them a couple of years ago there's just way better watches on Aliexpres for about the same money Thanks for sharing as always my friend Be well
I’ve said this before but here I go again: Your videos have the best close up shots of all the watch reviewers that I follow. Somehow you make your lighting and photography skills work in a way that you make a simple watch look fantastic. Great job on your newer less minimalistic shots in IG, BTW.
Wow, thank you so much man! That means a lot 🙏🏽 Glad you noticed my newer IG shots too. I’m trying to get out of my comfort zone and learn take more ‘artistic’ watch shots. Never realized how different watch photography is from videography, it’s a whole different beast!
Great review 👍. The bracelet finishing would be bad at $60 and as you say the lume is always poor. I don't understand why Pagani are so popular, Steeldive are better for about the same price, Heimdallr and new brands like Thorn are much better for just a little more.
My thoughts exactly. I think Pagani is always one of the first to homage popular models, so they get a solid first mover advantage from that. Thanks for watching!
Ok. First, the watch is already reduced to $160 or so. $200 was a bit of a reach. Second, I am always going to defend Pagani Design’s existence. Some people can only afford $75 watch so I’m glad they exist because for under $100, they offer some insane value. Thanks as always for your excellent review. And what’s with the no date on a GMT?
I understand completely. I don’t mind their watches under $100. I think they’re decent but brands like Steeldive and Addiesdive offer better quality in that price range nowadays. They’re not bad watches by any means, but I’ve had less than ideal experiences with mine. I could just be super unlucky though!
I totally agree with you Harvind, and thanks for being honest as always. I've never been a fan of Pagani and their questionable quality... Especially at these prices! I'll wait for anyone else to release one before I buy. I could have sworn Watchdives was working on one with San Martin. I wonder what happened with that?
Thanks as always, Dan! Besides a select few models from them, I feel the same way about most of their catalogue. I think I remember seeing some renders of the Watchdives x San Martin model ages ago. We haven’t heard a peep since. 🤔
If you're referring to the San Martin Sand Dune dial GMT, I just bought one in blue sand. Gorgeous watch! Comes in brown sand and white sand dials, too.
Great to see the blue dial version....you've got me second guessing my choice of the black/green. But it's probably just from your amazing videography...incredible shots, man!
Oh man, thank you so much! Not going to lie, I initially chose the black/green version too, but I switched to the blue right before it was shipped haha. Both look great, but I feel like the blue looks a bit more harmonious.
The black dial does seem to bring out the crystal clarity/quality more, but both are great colors! I actually like that there are only 2 color options...less stress in choosing! 😂
The Longines Spirit Zulu is my grail watch. When I finally decide to pull the trigger on a $3000 watch, it will be the Longines. I was excited to see an homage to the Spirit Zulu, but my excitement was short-lived when I saw it was a Pagani. I have several Paganis. The Omega Speedy homage is perfect. The rest are basically junk. This homage falls closer to the junk category because 1) the grip on the bezel is wrong (should be coin-edge) and 2) the bracelet is poor and the clasp is an abomination. If this homage to the Spirit Zulu was by Seestern or San Martin, I would already have one on the way. I might purchase the Pagani at 1/2 the going price, but maybe not. I'll just put that money towards the three grand I need for the original.
Their Speedy homage was one of my favourites. They really knocked it out of the park with that one. I don’t know if San Martin or Seestern have this in the pipeline, but I really hope they do! Until then, I’d put the money aside for the original Longines. It’s a fantastic watch.
@@Lucky.123 Thanks! Better than the PD, but still not there for me. I have larger wrists and 38mm would get lost on mine. Anything smaller than 40mm looks like a kids watch. Too bad. San Martin did a nice job with it.
PD makes some beautiful watches for sure but the quality is questionable. But, they say that you get what you pay for. I purchased an Explorer 2 look alike and it it looked amazing. And it only worked for four days. Was I an exception? Perhaps, but I won't risk it again, not with the seller half a world away.
Some of their watches look incredible, no doubt. But I’ve received more Paganis with QC issues than any other Chinese brand, so that’s really put me off them. The competition is offering much better quality at these prices nowadays, while Pagani seems to be stagnating.
Nice review buddy. I’m a little torn, On one hand it’s an automatic GMT with a Seiko movement and milled clasp for under $200, but the marks on the bracelet and the poor lume is unacceptable.
Thanks man! I can’t fault the specs, but the execution just isn’t up to par compared to the competition. The San Martin BB Pro GMT was $150 during the last sale, and it’s just so much better in every way.
Thank you for the balanced review! I considered maybe getting this one in green, but I was not ready for the price and I think it was the right move. Btw. I got the Seestern Glashütte homage a few weeks ago and I am very happy with the quality of that watch.
Excellent video. Sad to hear that PD has not improved their quality. I have a soft spot for this brand as they got me back into the watch hobby. However, out of the three PD watches I bought, two had (severe) quality issues and the other one was mediocre. Had my hopes up for this one. Like others pointed out, I think PD is a player for the (sub)100 dollar price range.
It’s amazing that you got back into watches because of PD! Their QC process seems nonexistent, and your experiences with 3 of them just about confirms that.
@@WristWatching They are one of the bigger Aliexpress brands with a large collection and comparatively low pricing, making an accessible entry point into the hobby. If only their quality control was a bit better.
You nailed it - Pagani bracelets are utter rubbish. Every one I have handled has rough edges, sometimes links are sticky and don't articulate smoothly and Pagani just chucks on any old clasp they happen to have lying around. Typically I will take their bracelets off, put it back in the box and chuck it on the box drawer and wear it on NATOs
I have this in green for $150. The bracelet is crap for the price buf I don't care I use NATO and elastic paratrooper straps. But currently I use it on a green leather Hesmuth band with the rally holes and I added an Omega deployant clasp. It legit looks like a $1500-2000 watch. I originally ordered the blue version and it just doesn't have anywhere near the presence as green because the gold numerals really add a much higher quality appearance. Especially on the minute track finishing. It's nearly on par with Longines original in some aspects. Obviously not the lume which only works if you charge it up with a super bright LED flashlight for about 30 seconds. Then it looks pretty good as both bezel, dial and hands are visible. But It's way below the San Martin lume I have on a Tudor Black Bay homage I picked up at the Same time for a little less. I'm considering buying the original of one of the two and am definitely leaning away from the Tudor because it's just too sterile and bland despite the mountain of social media hype. It's kind of absurd to pay more for a basic 3 hand movement than a Longines GMT with COSC. You can get thr Longines for about $2,000 now slightly used. Tudor doesn't even use a true in-house movement they outsource to Kinessi which they acquired rather than making their own stuff (basically exactly what Rolex did with buying out Aegler). At any rate the cool thing about the Pagani homage is that it's a 40mm whereas with the original you have to big with a 42mm or small with a 39mm. I wish they would have just settled with a 40mm. And not including the date at 6 o'clock was a mistake. P.s. The Pagani Paul Newman Daytona homage for $60 is hands down the best watch you can get under $100. You aren't beating the crystal, ceramic bezel and Seiko movement for that. I also like the IWC power reserve homage for about $80 and the Omega 57 and Speedmaster V3 homage are also sub $100 bargains. They should upgrade the crystal on the 57 though for something less reflective like on the Paul Newman Daytona homage.
I just took delivery of three different Pagani watches I can't fault any of them for the price I paid. The problem with that GMT is not the watch it's just that they've overpriced it!
Definitely too much for a PD. A little bit of a premium to cover the NH34, though $120 would be about right. One strange decision. The NH34 comes with a date complication as it's fairly essential for a GMT and instead we have a ghost position.
The problem isn’t the watch, it the price. But tell say this in defense of Pagani, you have here a watch that looks great, GMT functions, good bezel action and has a comfortable bracelet (by your own words) for less than $200. Could we be setting the bar a little too high?
I agree completely, the price is the biggest issue with this and that’s why I highlighted that at the end. I’ve had watches from Seestern and San Martin at this price point with much better QC, finishing, and overall quality. If those brands can reach those high standards at the same price point, I feel Pagani needs to step up if they want to be competitive in that space.
Hey , I really thought your review was quite accurate , it seems to be just as you say , I definitely think the price is too high , almost double what I think its worth , they probably raised the price because they knew the sales would be low but I don't think I would buy one
I have 2 an they have never gave me a problem ever an ive had them for a long time an do everything in the one i wear it everyday an it holds the time great an i paid $48 for it has a cal.22 an the other one $113 an had a nh 36
At below £100, I can forgive some of their shortcomings but this price point for them is never going to work they always and I mean always have QC issues (lume bezel bracelet) on every watch I have there, is something unless they step it up a lot there never going to be able to charge the higher prices they seem to want to move into the better brands arena
Spot on. I mean, they sent a unit with nonexistent QC like this to a reviewer-knowing I’m going to highlight everything I see. I guess it just shows how unimportant QC is to them.
Prelep sat, ali GMT sat je potpuni promašaj. Da li Patek Felipe pravi GMT? Ne i neće, jer to je nepotrebna glupost koja ima 4.-tu kazaljku koja zbunjuje korisnika sata, a bezel postaje bezkoristan
Steeldive offer better quality AND great lume for less than HALF the price of this. Pagani Design are losing it, they're fine as very low priced budget watches (sub £100), but certainly NOT a penny more - unless they step up the quality and lume.
I didn’t pay for this, Pagani sent it to me for the review. I’m making sure others know what they’re going to get if they do decide to shell out that kind of money for a Pagani.
Thanks, John. I saw the PD chrono you reviewed and that looked like a step up from their other models! It’s really hit or miss I guess. Some models are great, some are just huge no-gos.
Would you spend $200 on this?
Probably wouldn't pay $200 for it, but do like Pagarni watches to wear for work or getting my hands dirty. As you mentioned, there are other offerings to be had from San Martin and Seestern that offer more for less, but I've got to say, that dial and all it's detail is breathtaking. Great review.
No, the price will probably drop and I’ll buy it on sale for $80
I gave up on them a couple of years ago there's just way better watches on Aliexpres for about the same money Thanks for sharing as always my friend Be well
No!
Hell no!
I’ve said this before but here I go again: Your videos have the best close up shots of all the watch reviewers that I follow. Somehow you make your lighting and photography skills work in a way that you make a simple watch look fantastic. Great job on your newer less minimalistic shots in IG, BTW.
Wow, thank you so much man! That means a lot 🙏🏽 Glad you noticed my newer IG shots too. I’m trying to get out of my comfort zone and learn take more ‘artistic’ watch shots. Never realized how different watch photography is from videography, it’s a whole different beast!
Good review. You made all your points clearly , consisely and in well under 10 minutes. More reviewers should follow your format. 👍
Thank you! Time is precious so I try to keep my reviews as short as possible while getting the message across.
Great review 👍. The bracelet finishing would be bad at $60 and as you say the lume is always poor. I don't understand why Pagani are so popular, Steeldive are better for about the same price, Heimdallr and new brands like Thorn are much better for just a little more.
My thoughts exactly. I think Pagani is always one of the first to homage popular models, so they get a solid first mover advantage from that. Thanks for watching!
I would like to see a comparison between the new San Martin sn0140 and Pagani Design Pd1784
Ok. First, the watch is already reduced to $160 or so. $200 was a bit of a reach. Second, I am always going to defend Pagani Design’s existence. Some people can only afford $75 watch so I’m glad they exist because for under $100, they offer some insane value. Thanks as always for your excellent review. And what’s with the no date on a GMT?
I understand completely. I don’t mind their watches under $100. I think they’re decent but brands like Steeldive and Addiesdive offer better quality in that price range nowadays. They’re not bad watches by any means, but I’ve had less than ideal experiences with mine. I could just be super unlucky though!
I totally agree with you Harvind, and thanks for being honest as always. I've never been a fan of Pagani and their questionable quality... Especially at these prices! I'll wait for anyone else to release one before I buy. I could have sworn Watchdives was working on one with San Martin. I wonder what happened with that?
Thanks as always, Dan! Besides a select few models from them, I feel the same way about most of their catalogue. I think I remember seeing some renders of the Watchdives x San Martin model ages ago. We haven’t heard a peep since. 🤔
If you're referring to the San Martin Sand Dune dial GMT, I just bought one in blue sand. Gorgeous watch! Comes in brown sand and white sand dials, too.
Great to see the blue dial version....you've got me second guessing my choice of the black/green. But it's probably just from your amazing videography...incredible shots, man!
Oh man, thank you so much! Not going to lie, I initially chose the black/green version too, but I switched to the blue right before it was shipped haha. Both look great, but I feel like the blue looks a bit more harmonious.
The black dial does seem to bring out the crystal clarity/quality more, but both are great colors! I actually like that there are only 2 color options...less stress in choosing! 😂
The Longines Spirit Zulu is my grail watch. When I finally decide to pull the trigger on a $3000 watch, it will be the Longines. I was excited to see an homage to the Spirit Zulu, but my excitement was short-lived when I saw it was a Pagani. I have several Paganis. The Omega Speedy homage is perfect. The rest are basically junk. This homage falls closer to the junk category because 1) the grip on the bezel is wrong (should be coin-edge) and 2) the bracelet is poor and the clasp is an abomination. If this homage to the Spirit Zulu was by Seestern or San Martin, I would already have one on the way. I might purchase the Pagani at 1/2 the going price, but maybe not. I'll just put that money towards the three grand I need for the original.
Their Speedy homage was one of my favourites. They really knocked it out of the park with that one. I don’t know if San Martin or Seestern have this in the pipeline, but I really hope they do! Until then, I’d put the money aside for the original Longines. It’s a fantastic watch.
There is San Martin version now, sn0140
@@Lucky.123 Thanks! Better than the PD, but still not there for me. I have larger wrists and 38mm would get lost on mine. Anything smaller than 40mm looks like a kids watch. Too bad. San Martin did a nice job with it.
£200, that is Seestern, Sugess and now SM territory. With other makes NH34s coming in at less than £100. This one will be a no from me.
Spot on. It’s in an awkward price bracket.
I can't find, this watch, on OFFICIAL Pagani Design store on aliexpress? Why?
I think the best way is if PD take a brake after your review and try to offer better quality and better products!! Keep the good work !!! 😊
I love your optimism haha. Thank you!
PD makes some beautiful watches for sure but the quality is questionable. But, they say that you get what you pay for. I purchased an Explorer 2 look alike and it it looked amazing. And it only worked for four days. Was I an exception? Perhaps, but I won't risk it again, not with the seller half a world away.
Some of their watches look incredible, no doubt. But I’ve received more Paganis with QC issues than any other Chinese brand, so that’s really put me off them. The competition is offering much better quality at these prices nowadays, while Pagani seems to be stagnating.
My only PD, an Explorer II is still working after 3 months. Hope that continues.
Nice review buddy. I’m a little torn, On one hand it’s an automatic GMT with a Seiko movement and milled clasp for under $200, but the marks on the bracelet and the poor lume is unacceptable.
Thanks man! I can’t fault the specs, but the execution just isn’t up to par compared to the competition. The San Martin BB Pro GMT was $150 during the last sale, and it’s just so much better in every way.
Thank you for the balanced review! I considered maybe getting this one in green, but I was not ready for the price and I think it was the right move. Btw. I got the Seestern Glashütte homage a few weeks ago and I am very happy with the quality of that watch.
Thank you! Great choice going with the Seestern. The quality on that is seriously incredible, it’s levels above this Pagani.
Excellent video. Sad to hear that PD has not improved their quality. I have a soft spot for this brand as they got me back into the watch hobby. However, out of the three PD watches I bought, two had (severe) quality issues and the other one was mediocre. Had my hopes up for this one. Like others pointed out, I think PD is a player for the (sub)100 dollar price range.
It’s amazing that you got back into watches because of PD! Their QC process seems nonexistent, and your experiences with 3 of them just about confirms that.
@@WristWatching They are one of the bigger Aliexpress brands with a large collection and comparatively low pricing, making an accessible entry point into the hobby. If only their quality control was a bit better.
Very true. I guess they had to corners somewhere to keep their prices down, and QC seems to be it.
You nailed it - Pagani bracelets are utter rubbish. Every one I have handled has rough edges, sometimes links are sticky and don't articulate smoothly and Pagani just chucks on any old clasp they happen to have lying around. Typically I will take their bracelets off, put it back in the box and chuck it on the box drawer and wear it on NATOs
Exactly! As a bracelet guy, that’s a huge no-go for me.
I have this in green for $150. The bracelet is crap for the price buf I don't care I use NATO and elastic paratrooper straps. But currently I use it on a green leather Hesmuth band with the rally holes and I added an Omega deployant clasp. It legit looks like a $1500-2000 watch.
I originally ordered the blue version and it just doesn't have anywhere near the presence as green because the gold numerals really add a much higher quality appearance. Especially on the minute track finishing. It's nearly on par with Longines original in some aspects. Obviously not the lume which only works if you charge it up with a super bright LED flashlight for about 30 seconds. Then it looks pretty good as both bezel, dial and hands are visible. But It's way below the San Martin lume I have on a Tudor Black Bay homage I picked up at the Same time for a little less. I'm considering buying the original of one of the two and am definitely leaning away from the Tudor because it's just too sterile and bland despite the mountain of social media hype. It's kind of absurd to pay more for a basic 3 hand movement than a Longines GMT with COSC. You can get thr Longines for about $2,000 now slightly used. Tudor doesn't even use a true in-house movement they outsource to Kinessi which they acquired rather than making their own stuff (basically exactly what Rolex did with buying out Aegler).
At any rate the cool thing about the Pagani homage is that it's a 40mm whereas with the original you have to big with a 42mm or small with a 39mm. I wish they would have just settled with a 40mm. And not including the date at 6 o'clock was a mistake.
P.s.
The Pagani Paul Newman Daytona homage for $60 is hands down the best watch you can get under $100. You aren't beating the crystal, ceramic bezel and Seiko movement for that. I also like the IWC power reserve homage for about $80 and the Omega 57 and Speedmaster V3 homage are also sub $100 bargains. They should upgrade the crystal on the 57 though for something less reflective like on the Paul Newman Daytona homage.
Thanks for watching and all that insight!
Im holding out for the SM version coming in March.
Is that confirmed for March? They’ve been awfully silent after the initial renders were released a while back.
I got 2 Pagani watches, I paid with discount around 45 EU for each, for that price I think they are fine, but I would never pay 200.
Fair enough, $200 is way more than it should be. I took PG "Ranger" with decent spec for $55. I would say $100 sounds good to me.
Prefer the sm and watch dives take which i recently purchased. More polished and better executed
I 💯💯💯💯 agree I will never again have them on my channel regardless of their price point
Glad to know I'm not the only one!
I also notice cheap looking hands on this model (like on a $20 quartz).
I gave the hands a pass because compared to some of the other issues, they were quite decent. 🤣
Have purchased GMTS from Pagani and I have yet to get one that works properly. Poor QC
PD seems to have the potential but not the will to produce a competitive watch at any price point.
It's a shame
Well said!
I just took delivery of three different Pagani watches I can't fault any of them for the price I paid. The problem with that GMT is not the watch it's just that they've overpriced it!
Exactly, it’s just not a $200 watch. Their sub-$100 models are much better value for money.
Definitely too much for a PD. A little bit of a premium to cover the NH34, though $120 would be about right. One strange decision. The NH34 comes with a date complication as it's fairly essential for a GMT and instead we have a ghost position.
Spot on, $120 is a much more palatable price for this.
I bought green and black
100%! Pagani's quality really is lacking. I have the James Bond homage and I think SPECTRE designed the bracelet and the rattley movement and bezel.
You might be on to something 🤣
The problem isn’t the watch, it the price. But tell say this in defense of Pagani, you have here a watch that looks great, GMT functions, good bezel action and has a comfortable bracelet (by your own words) for less than $200. Could we be setting the bar a little too high?
I agree completely, the price is the biggest issue with this and that’s why I highlighted that at the end. I’ve had watches from Seestern and San Martin at this price point with much better QC, finishing, and overall quality. If those brands can reach those high standards at the same price point, I feel Pagani needs to step up if they want to be competitive in that space.
It is worth it right now. It is down to 127usd. Never seen a bargain like that!!! Peace!
Hey , I really thought your review was quite accurate , it seems to be just as you say , I definitely think the price is too high , almost double what I think its worth , they probably raised the price because they knew the sales would be low but I don't think I would buy one
Agreed, somewhere around the $100 range would have been a more accurate price point.
I have 2 an they have never gave me a problem ever an ive had them for a long time an do everything in the one i wear it everyday an it holds the time great an i paid $48 for it has a cal.22 an the other one $113 an had a nh 36
You've had better luck with yours than I did!
Got pg 1639 black submariner for 70£
Brilliant!
Now, that's a Pagani Design price I can get behind!
Bz new Orient same price, but verz nice whatch don t be disapoint
At below £100, I can forgive some of their shortcomings but this price point for them is never going to work they always and I mean always have QC issues (lume bezel bracelet) on every watch I have there, is something unless they step it up a lot there never going to be able to charge the higher prices they seem to want to move into the better brands arena
Spot on. I mean, they sent a unit with nonexistent QC like this to a reviewer-knowing I’m going to highlight everything I see. I guess it just shows how unimportant QC is to them.
14mm height is ridiculous
It’s a thicc boi
Yeah, the original one was quite thick and having a nh34 makes it half an mm thicker
lol now it down to 100usd. and just waiting now for the next sale.
That price point make so much more sense
I like Pagani's but not at that price point.
Hear, hear!
I do like pagani but will not pay $200 for one.
Me too! They just don't have the refinement/QC needed to occupy that price bracket.
Prelep sat, ali GMT sat je potpuni promašaj. Da li Patek Felipe pravi GMT? Ne i neće, jer to je nepotrebna glupost koja ima 4.-tu kazaljku koja zbunjuje korisnika sata, a bezel postaje bezkoristan
Lume and bracelet on Pagani is trash. Do not pay more than $60 for a Pagani. If you have $200 spend it on a Cronos or a San Martin. ❤
Hear, hear!
How disappointing that their quality has gone to shit. Maybe they will watch this video and change their ways! (LoL) 😊
Hahaha I hope so! I don’t think they’re going to bother if people still keep buy these.
Steeldive offer better quality AND great lume for less than HALF the price of this.
Pagani Design are losing it, they're fine as very low priced budget watches (sub £100), but certainly NOT a penny more - unless they step up the quality and lume.
Spot on. Their competition is offering much more at lower prices. They seriously need to step up.
I will pay US$80 with happy face!
That’s a much more sensible price point for this!
The watch looks like a handcuff on your skinny little wrist mate ! LoL
I can’t unsee that now 🙃
It's your fault, cause nobody pays $200 for Pagani. Satisfied range for Pagani is under $100.
I didn’t pay for this, Pagani sent it to me for the review. I’m making sure others know what they’re going to get if they do decide to shell out that kind of money for a Pagani.
I paid $98 for mine in Aliexpress and is amazing good!
even if tongue is not as prominent. stop revewing negativeley, give us that M;rIndian
they suck
Some of their more affordable models are decent, but this just doesn’t live up to the price point.
San Martin quality is trash too
What part of the watches do you not like?
I have to disagree with that
Nope
Man it is a $200 watch
What would you expect???
Rolex quality???????
Dont be stupid
Their competitor charge 1.5 - 2x the price for the same model
Well done Harvind. Just say it like it is. I have been in and out with PD. Back in just now but we shall see how they get on 🫤
Thanks, John. I saw the PD chrono you reviewed and that looked like a step up from their other models! It’s really hit or miss I guess. Some models are great, some are just huge no-gos.
They are a frustration!@@WristWatching
@@johnswatchjoint I agree! 🍻