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Hi folks, In Australia, you do not even have to legally get married to have the State involved in your relationship with a woman. You don't even have to live under the same roof as her for the court in Australia to deem that you are in a de facto relationship with a woman to have the will of the State imposed upon the division of your assets in the case of break-up between you and a woman. You could buy a house on your own and live in that house of yours, visit her house and have sex with her a couple of times per week, and have no toothbrush or your own clothes at her house. Yet, the family court in Australia could deem that you are indeed in a de facto relationship with her for the purposes of the division of your assets upon the break-up between you and her.
Nobody is a one stop shop. His advice when it comes to women is gr8 ( it just for a diferent culture, one long gone, using it towday is like playing russian rulette with your life).
Totally agree with what Rich is saying. JP is remembering the days when you would be threatened by your mother telling you off and telling you that she would tell your father, then you really knew you were in the shit. Those days are gone now, society has demeaned the value of men and father's, this is why we have so many dysfunctional single mother families, and children.
She's clueless about what's attractive on a woman, what qualities make men want to invest in them, what makes men want to marry them, and build family with them. Zero clues.
I think that Rich and JP are both right, but that their worlds point in very different directions. JP’s world is one that includes God. As such a marriage has divine underpinnings and should be a life long commitment. In that context JPs advice is correct for a couple that intends to stay together for life. It takes tremendous commitment to get through all of life’s challenges and to stay together through them. As much structure (vows, marriage etc.) as a couple can put into place, the more that they have working for them to successfully fulfill the life long commitment. Rich’s world context does not include God. As such it is very earthly. It not necessarily rational to make a life long commitment to live with another person. Leaving a relationship in Rich’s world may or may not be painful but it is always an option. Within that context, Rich is spot on with his advice.
I happen to be the same age as Jordan. He has focused on clinical research most of his life so much of his opinions on relationships are somewhat dated. I myself married at 20. I have a great wife that is a product of an upbringing that existed 50 years ago. She has said in the past "I can't go to a bar alone, I'm a married woman" That is what she was taught about how married people behave. Modern women feel they have every right to do as they please and if their man says he doesn't like it he is labeled "controlling" Young men are correct in walking away because they can not fix these women. Only society can do that.
I'm a young man, and I can't get Chinese girls to come out for a drink and conversation after they all got married. Now it's just me by myself alone in every city I go.
Yes, Peterson sucks on the marriage/relationship stuff. Peterson married his high school sweetheart. I think he met his wife when he was 10 in a small town in Northern Alberta. So, Peterson has never really dated or has a history of many relationships. I honestly don't think he should be commenting on this topic.
That's another BIG distinction. Living in a small town is an entirely different dating game. In the big city it's a fucking knife fight, in a small town, even with social media, you can lock down a girl so much easier.
Jordan Peterson's advices are outdated, yea, would ve worked 10-30 years ago, but now, oh man, we need more people like Rich to educate men about the sexual market and how to avoid disaster, cause it's getting more and more common.
@Silvia Thats what it is. Its competitive like most things. The young beautiful women have very high value on their SMV, but once she hits the wall her SMV is low.
When I was 18 or so, I too had the idealized version of marriage that our culture sells us. However, three things saved me from this: 1. The relationships I had with women in college. While I had a few, three in particular stand out: one was with a feminist nutjob, one was with a nympho and the last was with a girl who cheated on her BF (who she later married). All these women at first seemed great, but later on I grew to see how toxic they were. The big lesson learned here was that personality is far more important than looks. Looks fade, but personality persists. In fact, a beautiful woman with a bad personality will start to seem ugly after a while. 2. Watching the old "Divorce Court" series with Judge Keene (ran 80s to early 90s). I used to watch this every weekday. It was disconcerting, but also great because it gave insight into all the things that could mess a marriage up. And many of them came down to men ignoring obvious red flags because they were blinded by love. 3. The knowledge that you can never really know someone else. I've seen both women AND men do things that are completely out of character. And when you see it, it's like a shocking WTF moment. But you have to learn what you can from it. So, the bottom line is to vet women thoroughly, never entirely trust anyone and learn as much as you can from the mistakes of others.
@John Nastrom I agree. We are shamed for telling the truth. They make no arguments, or say we are lying .... just that we are incels with a small p*nis. Its evil propaganda and misleading from the MSM.
Thanks for speaking about jordan Petersen I hope that’s how you spell his last name but that is for talking about him. I disagreed with his ideas too. Very commonly we as the viewers are seeing these newer content creators and they are not hitting the correct targets when discussing these topics. I’m glad you did the video on this
You would have to be crazy to try to negotiate with your wife in current world. If you aren’t in charge don’t get married. A feminist will make your life miserable then divorce you.
Man Cave Maybe it's just me, but what I absolutely don't need is a lot of excess square footage in my dwelling. I'm now divorced, but when married I made sure the living space wasn't overly feminine, and she was okay with that. After I sent her packing I didn't change much but found myself using about half the house. Seems to me a Man Cave would be extra square footage that's kind of unnecessary.
I agree, one can live in a single room with a narrow bed and computer desk. It all depends on what you do in the house. Do you receive customers, you need a cocktail lounge room. Do you teach classes, you need a classroom, or I did. Do you have your motorcycles and cars, you need a garage, or do you taxi everywhere. I gave away my motorcycles and considered having my assistant drive me but now I use a bicycle and taxis. For every hobby or daily activity you need space, I think, a dedicated desk. Dining table, computer table, your teaching table, the table where you do oil painting, etc.
Strongly disagree on the man-cave comment. I have a man-cave and 100% run this household. My wife follows my lead, doesn't go out, doesn't have social media, and takes care of her appearance. My house is still my house but my man-cave is my "playground". But I guess I'm an exception.
Jordan got married 350 years ago he has no idea how marriages work now. His wife isn’t a modern woman either. I wouldn’t listen to a word he says on marriage. Listen to his other advice.
Jordan’s wife didn’t choose him until she was already approaching the wall and he was establishing himself. Jordan was the beta provider in the situation
Rich's way is less effective than Paterson's by far. This is coming from a person who respects both people. And, keep in mind that Peterson worked with families and couples throughtout his clinical career.
Have read Rich’s book, never read Jordan’s book but I have listened to him talk about sexual dynamics. Just like Rich I respect Jordan for standing up to the woke mob but I also think he is painfully unqualified to give advice on today’s sexual marketplace. Rollo Tommasi said it best when discussing Matt Walsh and Jordan Peterson: ”they’re trying to fix the dating problems of the 50s” Don’t listen to them, just don’t.
Marriage: petitioning the state to recognize a woman and your self as one legal entity and giving the state power over all your assets to disperse with as it sees fit, present and future, in the inevitable event in which the woman changes her mind. The only legally binding contract that encourages one specific party to grossly default on the contract and rewards the guilt party with the assets of the innocent party.
You forget that some men do things that guarantee divorce. You assume that every divorce is due to a woman being unhappy with her material condition or just being bored and cheating. Yes, that does happen, but men cheat, do drugs, refuse to get it together, etc. too.
The person to listen to for marriage advice and relationship advice is the person who is winning at that. As they say, "The proof is in the pudding" Listen to JP's advice on the kind of women to go for, and the kind of person to be. When you have high quality, the trash isn't exciting. People are far more interested in style than in substance these days, and they are surprised when it turns up empty, it's abit like being more excited in the christmas wrapping paper, but the box inside is empty.
JP is a man of his intuition. Intuitive, values oriented men are not often personal leaders in the authoritative / authoritarian traditional male way. Yes, vulnerability is a price he must pay. Yes, I do agree with these criticisms.
Negotiating requires relatively equal footing and 2 parties with mutual need to agree. In western relationships women hold all of the power and minimal unique risks. So it's almost impossible to negotiate.
Its the whole reason they want to marry, its not about love or they would marry the ugliest guy, its about them and getting social status is the next logical step to they life
In my current LTR, I dictate where my toy soldiers are displayed - some are set up in the living room. I was married once and that would have been a point of contention. I'm a different man today.
Just another reason you have to be careful on youtube. A lot of it is trash. Although I think there are some good ideas Rich speaks to, the majority of the channel caters to an unfortunate market of young men out there who just want to see an alpha male bag on women all day. We live in hell, God save the king.
@Sarkman Gaming i honestly agree with Rich on some points here. JP has done a ton of good, but his views on marriage could be dangerous for young men in today's western climate. I was just annoyed this guest could dismiss anyone without doing research... especially a man such as JP who is actively working to make the world a bit better.
Marriage is for mature adults, not for people longing that marriage Will make them happy. Marriage is for the sake of children not for the sake of adults. It demands responsability and meaning. You should listen JP better. He already Spoke a lot about pay Gap and differences of power and that idea was missused here. It looks you are traumatized with women. I ended up with 3 Kids Alone. Their father even refused Share custody. So, marriage is a high risk step? Yes it is. But its should continue to be a reference as an ideal of responsible adults, not refused based on traumatized people. Take care...🙏
@@drno1257 NO. Absolutely NO. Until this day I am the one who try all the ways to facilitate him to be with his children. I don't want my children to grow without a father! That's my concern! He lefted me for a Younger women once he got the work position he wanted. I was 100% supporting him during 18 years. He had nothing, no money, no car when I met him. I even tought him to drive! I've worked full time and i took CARE of all the tasks that sustained or family for him to be able to be sucessful. That was my biggest mistake. I lived for his sucess. I did that not because of the money, but because i knew it was important to him.He never needed to Change a single thing to take care of our children. My mistake. I never thought that once he got the sucess he wanted, he would left us. The day he got out he told me that he would not wanted share custody. It was like an information told. It was not a negociation. I did not went to court, because i had no money for that. I got the pension that he decided ....and continue with my life. I was alone all the time, but i did not realized that. I have 3 wonderfull Kids. I work full time and go tired to bed every single day. But no regreats. No guilt. I' ve trusted someone that did not deserve. But that does not mean every man are equal. My father is not like that. My brother is not like that.
@@drno1257 you can play the vítim role if you want ( it's your choice), but it was not what i Said. If you read carefully what i have written, you Will see that i took my Share of responsabilty in the outcome. BUT, in this interview is clear that people still have the idea that marriage is for personal happiness. I Share the vision of JP : Marriage is not about personal happiness in the first place ( that's your responsabilty, not of your partner) , marriage is about learning about responsabilty . And meaning of life comes with greater responsabilty. Then, you may achieve Higher levels of happiness. I got the same conclusions with my own academic studies. My marriage failed, but it doesn't mean ( at all) that i think all man are trash. Not all women are angels. In this interview, you see marriage questioned not by an ideal goal, but by fear. Things are not bad because they implie risk taking. Not even a decision should be avoided by fear , anger or ressentment. That's my point. Some people are just not suitable to marry....and they shouldn't.
One of the most informative interviews Rich has ever done. Marriage only benefits the woman fella's don't fall for the trap! it also squeezes all the juice from the relationship.. she gets bored, annoyed and eventually cheats with Kevin from Sales (example).
Where JBP is concerned, one has to remember that he has been with his wife since they were teens so based on comments that he made about marriage, he is way out of touch. He is basing his reasoning from a lens that has long since been clouded over or shattered entirely. He does have a lot of great things to say but on this topic I think he needs to stay in his lane. I agree with Rich.
Completely agree. I've listened to Mr. Jordan Peterson vídeos also, and although he indeed does provide very useful insight, it's also true that regarding marriage he does seem to convey a somewhat pink and sweet idea ... not fully warning of the 'dangers' around the corner for the male.
Here in nz we have de facto relationships. Basically any serious relationship over 3 years can potentially be considered de facto, even if youre not living with each other. Any of your assets and debts can be considered relationship property and relationship debt. This means you can be with a girl for 3 years, no marriage, her not permanently living in your house and she could still be given half your house. Additionally, if its seen that one party will be "significantly economically disadvantaged," like they were a stay at home parent, they can get more than a 50% share. Luckily you can contract out, which I think is wise to do because not only will it safeguard you if done correctly, but if she refuses to do it you know she wasnt worth being with long term anyways.
@Callan C Sounds like a nightmare. Arabs have many downfalls, but one thing I admire is the marriage law that states that an agreement for a certain amount of money to be arranged BEFORE the marriage. This means that if you agree for 500$, the divorced wife can not get more than that even if you have started earning much more later in the marriage. It is not a percentage but an agreed sum, which can not be altered later. Still, I wouldn't marry an Arab woman as well. If she's not traditional, they can get quite bossy.
@@callanc3925 - shit that dont should good for the man. In Canada you have to be living with the gal for 6months in some places or 2 years in others. And again, only 1/2 of the gain would be taken.
So, if Rich's solution is for the state to stay out of marriage, then should society leave it up to individuals to determine what happens to children who are produced? Should we simply trust each other to decide crucial issues of survival?
Jordan’s stance on marriage is simply a lack of experience with toxic women. I enjoy 95% of Jordan’s content, not the marriage portion. Some women cannot be reasoned with.
I am in Australia it is similar. Marriage laws here are crazy generally divorce is women get 80% and men get 20% of the kitty. In Australia they call it Defacto if not married and living together. There is new Law as well which I am researching you could be dating for 7 years and she has her house you have yours but because you spend weekends together at each other's place you could be considered Defacto.
@@invictuous9222 I suspect they would but I am still investigating this. I would personally speak to a lawyer if I was in this situation for absolute clarification.
Yup, I remember reading about a court case in the newspaper where a bloke thought he got his backside covered by having his own place, cooking his own meals, by not keeping his toothbrush and his clothes at her place, by only coming over to her place a couple of times per week for some sexy time. When his relationship with this woman went belly up, she sued him for a share of his assets claiming that she was in a de facto relationship with him. Guess what the family court decided? Yup, regardless of the fact that the bloke did not keep his clothes, his toothbrush, or any other belongings at her house, the family court still deemed that this regular coming over to her house for sexy time as de facto relationship and he lost the legal fight to protect his assets. Yike!!!
As far as I understand JP, his philosophy with marriage is that reestablishing that is the only way for western society to heal the damage. Which is nice and all, but that would mean a ridiculous amount of sacrifice from men.
As much as I respect Rich Cooper, I think he might be overlooking many things here. For example, non-negotiations in a relationship/marriage is quite frankly a contributing factor in how we got where we are now. Women have rebelled against the idea of a male-dominated home possibly because of being held back by their husbands. It seems as though we have gone from one extreme to another. Rich is missing the root causes here, and trying to repeat history the way it's always been done has proven to be unsuccessful in many ways. Peterson's approach is the middle way.
One thing JP brings in with marriage is believing in a higher power, in which you make the vow in front of. Thats why, in the west, marriages don’t last. JP said that when the tough gets tougher, you need that higher power to pull you through. Without at least a common religion, and a vow before that deity, and family and friends, why would you even want to work on your marriage to begin with? The back door is such a much more appealing option
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Jordan P. never brings up family court and the simple fact that our culture and vaules have drastically changed over the last 20-30 years. They changed the custody law back in 2018 that is now automatic 50/50 for fathers in my state. However there are specific boxes men must check in order to have access to their children. Its impossible to check theseboxes bacuse of the drastic financial change that takes place during the divorce process.
I think it is a criticism of most older generation men. They did not need to take a practical approach to marriage in their day but they do not realize how much things have changed today. It is completely different today and marriage can absolutely destroy you as a man.
Being a Professor of anything is not an indication of infallibility.. just look at the so called Professors on the opposing side of Jordan Petersen. They are just as academically qualified as he is. It’s bending over to academia for so long is why we are in the mess we are in socially, medically physically and psychologically..
Yes, Jordan seems to believe that men should compromise, as if men and women are equal. If it has reached this point then that means she doesn't respect you. You have to set boundaries for her and be prepared to send her packing if she violates.
I don't get my dating/marriage advice from people who have FAILED at it...and keep failing. Peterson has been married for decades - that's called 'success' by any legitimate standard. He also reads and researches a multitude of work from clinical psychologists and REAL experts - not panels of disgruntled incels.
I think the main difference it's that Peterson doesn't advocate just for men, but family structure, let's be honest not everyone can or wants to be a successful entrepreneur, if a man wants to focus on his career well good for him but you better get used to pay for sex once you get older.
And that's why prostitution should be legal. It's a plan that works well, have sex once a month or whenever you land a good business deal. Grind hard, stay single. Then once you've achieved something, go find a girl to marry. But with the police sweeping all brothels, and destroying your business, life is now about being single and watching porn and working a job for years and years.
@@hufficag Prostitution being illegal; has never stopped men to get access to them and I think if someone gets used to prostitutes won't see the point of ever settling down, those women, end up emotionally wrecked and lonely, that's what we are currently seeing with the only fan girls, I think people need to understand that they don't need to have their life together to get married because marriage it's about building a life with someone else and that includes going through struggles, those women who are looking for a 6 figure man in his early 20's or 30's with a car, house, and great career and physique are just delusional because achieving success takes time and life it's too short.
I am from Germany and am happily divorced. Costed me a lot of money. Won't happen again. Despite that I just turned 60 no problem finding young women for sex. If not - I couldn't care less.
I agree with Rich here. JP provides excellent advice in some areas, and naive advice in others. I heard JP advising men on marriage and pushing the 'man up' thing, and basically ignoring the real risks that men face today in getting married. When JP says: - Stand up straight - Don't let your kids do anything that cause you to dislike them I think he's right on track, but in these other matters he should be taken with a grain of salt. He should also NOT be taken seriously when he talks about the bible or Christianity. He has no clue of what he's talking about. The problem with JP is a common problem with so many people who become famous and sought after for interviews.. They can't ever say, 'I don't know' to questions that are well outside the bounds of their fields of knowledge and expertise. Sometimes he'll guard himself a little by saying he could be wrong, but that never stops him from offering ridiculous answers.
The main difference from Peterson’s view and Rich Cooper is that the former is based on stronger scientific evidence (clinical cases, statistic analysis of results, etc). When Peterson says something like “most men” or “most women” that is most likely backed by hard data. I think Rick’s content is pretty useful and I agree with a big part of it, but at the end, his examples/experience just don’t draw from a pool that is as broad as the one from someone who’s been working professionally in a clinic and doing research as a psychologist.
I don't agree with a lot of what Jordan Peterson says but he seems to me to have a lot more respect for women and then Rich Cooper does. Jordan Peterson is also not threatened by a successful women in the same way that Richard is. Richard is obsessed with being in control. And that's likely why his marriage to a successful woman didn't work out. He felt too threatened. No one has to be the boss and it's unreasonable to think that negotiation should not be part of a relationship. I think Rich is a smart guy but his emotional maturity is really like a teenager. Similar to how he replies his reasoning is very juvenile as well things are always very black and white and there is one solution and Rich has to be right. He's not an academic which explains some of that. But at his age he should realise that you don't have to be right and things are nuanced. Not as simple as the vox pops he likes to constantly repeat. There are many types of relationships. Rich may be successful in business to some extent (the only reason he likely has a girlfriend) but he's a bit cringe in terms of emotional and psychological maturity. He's fringe and found a niche in men that are bitter and struggling but from watching his videos I really cannot conclude that he has a fundamental respect for women he feels like he always has to put them down in some way.
@@ikemokwu1612 You have some feminist equality beliefs that show a great lack of understanding of what creates sexual desire. Women want to be lead and men want to lead. Any partnership works better when it's clear who's in charge. In work and in a relationship. Any team needs a leader. This equality no boss is recipe for sexless marriage. And your argument fails anyway because there are plenty of men married that live the traditional red pill way. Men lead and women follow as it naturally is. And wow what do you get. A loving wife who actually finds her husband attractive as a person. Rollo Tomassi is such a public figure. Patrick Bet David. You got examples of it. What makes this even dumber is that Rich was blue pill as you are right now. Subscribing to these ideas of happy wife happy life and we don't need anyone making decisions and being a boss principles. The reason his marriage failed is precisely because he did think like you do now. Women aren't attracted to gender equality. They are attracted to men who lead and are strong both in physicality and personality.
The point is women have lost respect for men. Notice how you mentioned it in regards for men respecting women but not vice versa. That's the problem. People are not addressing this enough. Also, you sound insecure to be honest.
No offense to these guys, but Jordan Peterson has more intelligence in his pinky finger than these two have combined. At least he considers how the information he puts out affects his audience and I truly believe he is trying to help people (both men and women). This channel seems encourage a certain narrative with its audience regardless of how it might be hurting them and the greater good. You really think being alone and giving up is the answer? These are people's lives we are talking about.
No he is a learned man in human behaviour Personal experience means you only have knowledge from your perspective,or anecdotal evidence. You cannot give advice to another based on your personal experience. This is why we have people like jp, they understand the deep motivations in people's psyche
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Hi folks,
In Australia, you do not even have to legally get married to have the State involved in your relationship with a woman. You don't even have to live under the same roof as her for the court in Australia to deem that you are in a de facto relationship with a woman to have the will of the State imposed upon the division of your assets in the case of break-up between you and a woman. You could buy a house on your own and live in that house of yours, visit her house and have sex with her a couple of times per week, and have no toothbrush or your own clothes at her house. Yet, the family court in Australia could deem that you are indeed in a de facto relationship with her for the purposes of the division of your assets upon the break-up between you and her.
I've been a die-hard JP fan for years now, but his guidance just doesn't cut the mustard when it comes to women, dating and marriage.
Nobody is a one stop shop. His advice when it comes to women is gr8 ( it just for a diferent culture, one long gone, using it towday is like playing russian rulette with your life).
@@think2invest Yeah, on these issues he got stuck in the 80s and is completely wrong.
JP is right that women want competence but modern women and modern men have no shame for the most part
Totally agree with what Rich is saying. JP is remembering the days when you would be threatened by your mother telling you off and telling you that she would tell your father, then you really knew you were in the shit. Those days are gone now, society has demeaned the value of men and father's, this is why we have so many dysfunctional single mother families, and children.
It takes two to make a kid you know.
@@TGP109 I'm guessing you must be one of those dysfunctional single mothers then.
JP should have his daughter speak on marriage.
She's clueless about what's attractive on a woman, what qualities make men want to invest in them, what makes men want to marry them, and build family with them. Zero clues.
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I think that Rich and JP are both right, but that their worlds point in very different directions.
JP’s world is one that includes God. As such a marriage has divine underpinnings and should be a life long commitment. In that context JPs advice is correct for a couple that intends to stay together for life. It takes tremendous commitment to get through all of life’s challenges and to stay together through them. As much structure (vows, marriage etc.) as a couple can put into place, the more that they have working for them to successfully fulfill the life long commitment.
Rich’s world context does not include God. As such it is very earthly. It not necessarily rational to make a life long commitment to live with another person. Leaving a relationship in Rich’s world may or may not be painful but it is always an option. Within that context, Rich is spot on with his advice.
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Yep couldn’t agree more, how can a woman who has rode the cock carousel possibly be a good wife, NOT GONNA HAPPEN
I happen to be the same age as Jordan. He has focused on clinical research most of his life so much of his opinions on relationships are somewhat dated. I myself married at 20. I have a great wife that is a product of an upbringing that existed 50 years ago. She has said in the past "I can't go to a bar alone, I'm a married woman" That is what she was taught about how married people behave. Modern women feel they have every right to do as they please and if their man says he doesn't like it he is labeled "controlling" Young men are correct in walking away because they can not fix these women. Only society can do that.
I'm a young man, and I can't get Chinese girls to come out for a drink and conversation after they all got married. Now it's just me by myself alone in every city I go.
Women DO have a right to do as they please. Not all women are doormats like your poor wife.
They are not somewhat dated, they are completely so, by decades!
@@hufficag Or you could ask single women out......
@@DavidtheNorseman Oh I do. But then every expat tells me those girls are too young (20s) and I should date my own age or older (30s)
Yes, Peterson sucks on the marriage/relationship stuff. Peterson married his high school sweetheart. I think he met his wife when he was 10 in a small town in Northern Alberta. So, Peterson has never really dated or has a history of many relationships. I honestly don't think he should be commenting on this topic.
Similar to Rollo
That's another BIG distinction. Living in a small town is an entirely different dating game. In the big city it's a fucking knife fight, in a small town, even with social media, you can lock down a girl so much easier.
Jordan Peterson's advices are outdated, yea, would ve worked 10-30 years ago, but now, oh man, we need more people like Rich to educate men about the sexual market and how to avoid disaster, cause it's getting more and more common.
JP is beta to the core...
Agree brother
"sexual market" omg you guys make me laugh 🤣
@Silvia Thats what it is. Its competitive like most things. The young beautiful women have very high value on their SMV, but once she hits the wall her SMV is low.
@@PH-ih1pn there is no wall 🤣
Fifty three years old here! Never being married, no kids and never needed advised on figuring out that both aforementioned facts were very bad ideas!
I would very much like to see Rich and JP getting together to discuss details of marriage, women, society today.
This is a much much needed conversations between Rich and Petterson that would benefit many men. Tee it up please
When I was 18 or so, I too had the idealized version of marriage that our culture sells us. However, three things saved me from this:
1. The relationships I had with women in college. While I had a few, three in particular stand out: one was with a feminist nutjob, one was with a nympho and the last was with a girl who cheated on her BF (who she later married). All these women at first seemed great, but later on I grew to see how toxic they were. The big lesson learned here was that personality is far more important than looks. Looks fade, but personality persists. In fact, a beautiful woman with a bad personality will start to seem ugly after a while.
2. Watching the old "Divorce Court" series with Judge Keene (ran 80s to early 90s). I used to watch this every weekday. It was disconcerting, but also great because it gave insight into all the things that could mess a marriage up. And many of them came down to men ignoring obvious red flags because they were blinded by love.
3. The knowledge that you can never really know someone else. I've seen both women AND men do things that are completely out of character. And when you see it, it's like a shocking WTF moment. But you have to learn what you can from it.
So, the bottom line is to vet women thoroughly, never entirely trust anyone and learn as much as you can from the mistakes of others.
Great chat. You will never hear this stuff on MSM but its so important for both men and women to hear and take seriously.
And the MSM is trying to portray these men's forums as misogynistic, racist, and that they breed radicals.
@John Nastrom I agree. We are shamed for telling the truth. They make no arguments, or say we are lying .... just that we are incels with a small p*nis. Its evil propaganda and misleading from the MSM.
Thanks for speaking about jordan Petersen I hope that’s how you spell his last name but that is for talking about him. I disagreed with his ideas too. Very commonly we as the viewers are seeing these newer content creators and they are not hitting the correct targets when discussing these topics. I’m glad you did the video on this
You would have to be crazy to try to negotiate with your wife in current world. If you aren’t in charge don’t get married. A feminist will make your life miserable then divorce you.
The thing with Jordan P is that he has hope and faith in women and people in general.
He's from an older generation, obviously.
Marriage doesn’t work these days because although men are still required to provide, women aren’t required to be chaste, loyal and supportive
Depends where you live and your culture. In my country most women work and many have good incomes, contribute and also provide for their families
I’ve been married for 9 years. Would not recommend 😂
The unplugged Alpha is great, even IF you are not Alpha, the tools will make you more rational as a beta and more stoic as a Sigma
Jordan Peterson married a unicorn, I think he is influenced by the experience of being with his own loving honest and faithful partner.
Man Cave
Maybe it's just me, but what I absolutely don't need is a lot of excess square footage in my dwelling. I'm now divorced, but when married I made sure the living space wasn't overly feminine, and she was okay with that. After I sent her packing I didn't change much but found myself using about half the house. Seems to me a Man Cave would be extra square footage that's kind of unnecessary.
I agree, one can live in a single room with a narrow bed and computer desk. It all depends on what you do in the house. Do you receive customers, you need a cocktail lounge room. Do you teach classes, you need a classroom, or I did. Do you have your motorcycles and cars, you need a garage, or do you taxi everywhere. I gave away my motorcycles and considered having my assistant drive me but now I use a bicycle and taxis. For every hobby or daily activity you need space, I think, a dedicated desk. Dining table, computer table, your teaching table, the table where you do oil painting, etc.
Strongly disagree on the man-cave comment. I have a man-cave and 100% run this household. My wife follows my lead, doesn't go out, doesn't have social media, and takes care of her appearance. My house is still my house but my man-cave is my "playground". But I guess I'm an exception.
Jordan got married 350 years ago he has no idea how marriages work now. His wife isn’t a modern woman either. I wouldn’t listen to a word he says on marriage. Listen to his other advice.
Jordan’s wife didn’t choose him until she was already approaching the wall and he was establishing himself. Jordan was the beta provider in the situation
Rich's way is less effective than Paterson's by far. This is coming from a person who respects both people. And, keep in mind that Peterson worked with families and couples throughtout his clinical career.
I wouldn't listen to anything he says, period.
Whoa, clean your room.
OK thanks, bucko, now what?
Jordan - "It's like.... I dunno." *sobs*
JP should get a divorce and write a new book: 12 rules for a successful divorce...
@@DrRDW Jordan Peterson's daughter tells you everything you need to know about how much he knows about dating and modern women. 🙃
Have read Rich’s book, never read Jordan’s book but I have listened to him talk about sexual dynamics. Just like Rich I respect Jordan for standing up to the woke mob but I also think he is painfully unqualified to give advice on today’s sexual marketplace.
Rollo Tommasi said it best when discussing Matt Walsh and Jordan Peterson: ”they’re trying to fix the dating problems of the 50s”
Don’t listen to them, just don’t.
Marriage: petitioning the state to recognize a woman and your self as one legal entity and giving the state power over all your assets to disperse with as it sees fit, present and future, in the inevitable event in which the woman changes her mind. The only legally binding contract that encourages one specific party to grossly default on the contract and rewards the guilt party with the assets of the innocent party.
You forget that some men do things that guarantee divorce. You assume that every divorce is due to a woman being unhappy with her material condition or just being bored and cheating. Yes, that does happen, but men cheat, do drugs, refuse to get it together, etc. too.
The person to listen to for marriage advice and relationship advice is the person who is winning at that. As they say, "The proof is in the pudding" Listen to JP's advice on the kind of women to go for, and the kind of person to be. When you have high quality, the trash isn't exciting. People are far more interested in style than in substance these days, and they are surprised when it turns up empty, it's abit like being more excited in the christmas wrapping paper, but the box inside is empty.
JP is a man of his intuition. Intuitive, values oriented men are not often personal leaders in the authoritative / authoritarian traditional male way. Yes, vulnerability is a price he must pay. Yes, I do agree with these criticisms.
Negotiating requires relatively equal footing and 2 parties with mutual need to agree. In western relationships women hold all of the power and minimal unique risks. So it's almost impossible to negotiate.
Its the whole reason they want to marry, its not about love or they would marry the ugliest guy, its about them and getting social status is the next logical step to they life
Matthew 6:24 No man cannot serve two masters…..
I resent going into a contract that involves my wife, myself, and a crumbling Antichrist government.
I’d like to hear Rich and JP talk about it. It’d be a good one.
In my current LTR, I dictate where my toy soldiers are displayed - some are set up in the living room. I was married once and that would have been a point of contention. I'm a different man today.
Jp is a clinical psychologist. His data comes from research, literature evolution sciences
He does not rely on personal opinion or anecdotal evidence.
The white Kevin man 🙏🏾appreciate you bro keep dropping gems but stay safe them people are deleting people like you you know what I’m talking bout
Rich Cooper v Jordan Peterson debate... would be the closest thing to George Washington vs Abraham Lincoln
Jordan is wrong about a lot of things
I still like him but this whole subject he sucks on
0:20. Generally, it's a bad look discussing content you haven't seen.
100% agree with is. Ideas have been assumed without listen with care and attention.
Just another reason you have to be careful on youtube. A lot of it is trash. Although I think there are some good ideas Rich speaks to, the majority of the channel caters to an unfortunate market of young men out there who just want to see an alpha male bag on women all day. We live in hell, God save the king.
@Sarkman Gaming i honestly agree with Rich on some points here. JP has done a ton of good, but his views on marriage could be dangerous for young men in today's western climate. I was just annoyed this guest could dismiss anyone without doing research... especially a man such as JP who is actively working to make the world a bit better.
Really glad you discussed Jordan’s views on marriage, I agree with Rich, times have changed & it’s no Disney movie
Marriage is for mature adults, not for people longing that marriage Will make them happy. Marriage is for the sake of children not for the sake of adults. It demands responsability and meaning. You should listen JP better. He already Spoke a lot about pay Gap and differences of power and that idea was missused here.
It looks you are traumatized with women.
I ended up with 3 Kids Alone. Their father even refused Share custody. So, marriage is a high risk step? Yes it is. But its should continue to be a reference as an ideal of responsible adults, not refused based on traumatized people.
Take care...🙏
If a man refuses to see his childreen it's because of their mother i cant imagine what you have done to that man
@@drno1257 NO. Absolutely NO. Until this day I am the one who try all the ways to facilitate him to be with his children. I don't want my children to grow without a father! That's my concern! He lefted me for a Younger women once he got the work position he wanted. I was 100% supporting him during 18 years. He had nothing, no money, no car when I met him. I even tought him to drive! I've worked full time and i took CARE of all the tasks that sustained or family for him to be able to be sucessful. That was my biggest mistake. I lived for his sucess. I did that not because of the money, but because i knew it was important to him.He never needed to Change a single thing to take care of our children. My mistake. I never thought that once he got the sucess he wanted, he would left us.
The day he got out he told me that he would not wanted share custody. It was like an information told. It was not a negociation. I did not went to court, because i had no money for that. I got the pension that he decided ....and continue with my life. I was alone all the time, but i did not realized that.
I have 3 wonderfull Kids. I work full time and go tired to bed every single day. But no regreats. No guilt. I' ve trusted someone that did not deserve. But that does not mean every man are equal. My father is not like that. My brother is not like that.
@@drno1257 anyway, i don't need to justify myself when you just started to judge me based on your assumptions about women.
@@susanaferreira2076 Ok Ms.Perfect it's' always men's fault
@@drno1257 you can play the vítim role if you want ( it's your choice), but it was not what i Said. If you read carefully what i have written, you Will see that i took my Share of responsabilty in the outcome.
BUT, in this interview is clear that people still have the idea that marriage is for personal happiness. I Share the vision of JP : Marriage is not about personal happiness in the first place ( that's your responsabilty, not of your partner) , marriage is about learning about responsabilty . And meaning of life comes with greater responsabilty. Then, you may achieve Higher levels of happiness. I got the same conclusions with my own academic studies.
My marriage failed, but it doesn't mean ( at all) that i think all man are trash. Not all women are angels.
In this interview, you see marriage questioned not by an ideal goal, but by fear. Things are not bad because they implie risk taking. Not even a decision should be avoided by fear , anger or ressentment. That's my point. Some people are just not suitable to marry....and they shouldn't.
One of the most informative interviews Rich has ever done. Marriage only benefits the woman fella's don't fall for the trap! it also squeezes all the juice from the relationship.. she gets bored, annoyed and eventually cheats with Kevin from Sales (example).
To be fair Kevin from sales is pretty hot
Yes.. why sign a contract with someone who will financially benefit if they break the contract?
That’s marriage in 2023 sadly
3 is a little better than most of these podcasts that promote a toxic masculinity towards women. They’ll certainly don’t get everything right either.
Religion should create it's own marriage system outside of state laws.
It did once
Agreed
Ya it's ridiculous that government is involved with this and that we are funding it. We are funding our oppression essentially
@Bigshoots11 Great point. The monster is feeding off its own flesh.
Muslims already have that.They haven't let many let state legislations intervene their system of marriage,maintenance and divorce in my country.
This should be taught to all males in all schools. They should then make an informed decision if marriage or cohabitation is a good decision for them.
JP has loads of female followers!
yeah because he promotes marriage, sending men to the slaughter house
Yes, from my understanding he has quite a few, but as for percentages I don’t know the answer.
JP has many good points, but you can see why he admits to being more effeminate when he discusses marriage and the reluctance of men to get married
Well F*ck! That’s 99.9 % of women now these days… It’s a no win situation….
Where JBP is concerned, one has to remember that he has been with his wife since they were teens so based on comments that he made about marriage, he is way out of touch. He is basing his reasoning from a lens that has long since been clouded over or shattered entirely. He does have a lot of great things to say but on this topic I think he needs to stay in his lane. I agree with Rich.
Completely agree.
I've listened to Mr. Jordan Peterson vídeos also, and although he indeed does provide very useful insight, it's also true that regarding marriage he does seem to convey a somewhat pink and sweet idea ... not fully warning of the 'dangers' around the corner for the male.
2:43 Slam very true, Rich
Blue jobs and pink jobs? When is a pink job a blue job?
(Asking for a friend).
In Canada there is a huge difference between marriage and common law. Common law - She could get 1/2 of the gain of the assets. Not 1/2 of the assets.
note to self: avoid marrying a Canadian woman under Canadian law
Here in nz we have de facto relationships. Basically any serious relationship over 3 years can potentially be considered de facto, even if youre not living with each other. Any of your assets and debts can be considered relationship property and relationship debt. This means you can be with a girl for 3 years, no marriage, her not permanently living in your house and she could still be given half your house. Additionally, if its seen that one party will be "significantly economically disadvantaged," like they were a stay at home parent, they can get more than a 50% share.
Luckily you can contract out, which I think is wise to do because not only will it safeguard you if done correctly, but if she refuses to do it you know she wasnt worth being with long term anyways.
@Callan C Sounds like a nightmare.
Arabs have many downfalls, but one thing I admire is the marriage law that states that an agreement for a certain amount of money to be arranged BEFORE the marriage. This means that if you agree for 500$, the divorced wife can not get more than that even if you have started earning much more later in the marriage. It is not a percentage but an agreed sum, which can not be altered later.
Still, I wouldn't marry an Arab woman as well. If she's not traditional, they can get quite bossy.
@@callanc3925 - shit that dont should good for the man. In Canada you have to be living with the gal for 6months in some places or 2 years in others. And again, only 1/2 of the gain would be taken.
All formerly Anglo, now multi culti countries are Matriarchies.
So, if Rich's solution is for the state to stay out of marriage, then should society leave it up to individuals to determine what happens to children who are produced? Should we simply trust each other to decide crucial issues of survival?
Different circumstances.
Jordan’s stance on marriage is simply a lack of experience with toxic women. I enjoy 95% of Jordan’s content, not the marriage portion. Some women cannot be reasoned with.
I am in Australia it is similar. Marriage laws here are crazy generally divorce is women get 80% and men get 20% of the kitty. In Australia they call it Defacto if not married and living together. There is new Law as well which I am researching you could be dating for 7 years and she has her house you have yours but because you spend weekends together at each other's place you could be considered Defacto.
That’s insane, im assuming the courts wouldn’t require any evidence of this 7 year time?
@@invictuous9222 I suspect they would but I am still investigating this. I would personally speak to a lawyer if I was in this situation for absolute clarification.
Why are we funding this oppressive nosey system is my question.
I wish there would be some male judges and politicians walking through the burning coals of divorce...
Yup, I remember reading about a court case in the newspaper where a bloke thought he got his backside covered by having his own place, cooking his own meals, by not keeping his toothbrush and his clothes at her place, by only coming over to her place a couple of times per week for some sexy time. When his relationship with this woman went belly up, she sued him for a share of his assets claiming that she was in a de facto relationship with him. Guess what the family court decided? Yup, regardless of the fact that the bloke did not keep his clothes, his toothbrush, or any other belongings at her house, the family court still deemed that this regular coming over to her house for sexy time as de facto relationship and he lost the legal fight to protect his assets. Yike!!!
Love ya Rich
Marriage is low risk and high reward for women????! What??! 🤔🤨
I agree that it's high risk for men, but that definitely goes for both, imo.
As far as I understand JP, his philosophy with marriage is that reestablishing that is the only way for western society to heal the damage. Which is nice and all, but that would mean a ridiculous amount of sacrifice from men.
As much as I respect Rich Cooper, I think he might be overlooking many things here. For example, non-negotiations in a relationship/marriage is quite frankly a contributing factor in how we got where we are now. Women have rebelled against the idea of a male-dominated home possibly because of being held back by their husbands. It seems as though we have gone from one extreme to another. Rich is missing the root causes here, and trying to repeat history the way it's always been done has proven to be unsuccessful in many ways. Peterson's approach is the middle way.
One thing JP brings in with marriage is believing in a higher power, in which you make the vow in front of. Thats why, in the west, marriages don’t last. JP said that when the tough gets tougher, you need that higher power to pull you through. Without at least a common religion, and a vow before that deity, and family and friends, why would you even want to work on your marriage to begin with? The back door is such a much more appealing option
Hypergamy doesn't care about higher powers.
Women don't care dude.
Stepping on a mine ist better than marriage.
Right on Rich..I have been watching your videos daily for the last three months and have my book copy of Alpha Unplugged due today from Amazon 👍🏴
Rich you are brilliant and I love you man! Thanks.
Just started to read Esther Vilar's - Manipulated man. It is a manifest to men. Must read!
Jordan P. never brings up family court and the simple fact that our culture and vaules have drastically changed over the last 20-30 years.
They changed the custody law back in 2018 that is now automatic 50/50 for fathers in my state. However there are specific boxes men must check in order to have access to their children. Its impossible to check theseboxes bacuse of the drastic financial change that takes place during the divorce process.
Kermit the Frog telling young men to Man up!
You cant make this stuff up, lol
I think it is a criticism of most older generation men. They did not need to take a practical approach to marriage in their day but they do not realize how much things have changed today. It is completely different today and marriage can absolutely destroy you as a man.
Svetski and i have almost the exact same beard and moustache 😂, I’m like the Mexican version of him 💀💀crazy how much I look like him wtf
I disagree with the house decorating. Let her be a woman, they love that shit so it's a easy win. It keeps them happy and busy.
Stone Cold Rich Cooper.
You should have Jordan on the show and call him out
Interesting piece. Two RUclips Professors, analysing a Professor of Psychology.
Being a Professor of anything is not an indication of infallibility.. just look at the so called Professors on the opposing side of Jordan Petersen. They are just as academically qualified as he is. It’s bending over to academia for so long is why we are in the mess we are in socially, medically physically and psychologically..
Get JP on your show and debate him then lol
Hes ready but will Jordan come on his show maybe not
@@KD400_
Jordan doesn't waste time on redpill channels
Yes, Jordan seems to believe that men should compromise, as if men and women are equal. If it has reached this point then that means she doesn't respect you. You have to set boundaries for her and be prepared to send her packing if she violates.
I don't get my dating/marriage advice from people who have FAILED at it...and keep failing. Peterson has been married for decades - that's called 'success' by any legitimate standard. He also reads and researches a multitude of work from clinical psychologists and REAL experts - not panels of disgruntled incels.
I don't have an iPhone how can I hear your podcast. I'm android
I think the main difference it's that Peterson doesn't advocate just for men, but family structure, let's be honest not everyone can or wants to be a successful entrepreneur, if a man wants to focus on his career well good for him but you better get used to pay for sex once you get older.
And that's why prostitution should be legal. It's a plan that works well, have sex once a month or whenever you land a good business deal. Grind hard, stay single. Then once you've achieved something, go find a girl to marry. But with the police sweeping all brothels, and destroying your business, life is now about being single and watching porn and working a job for years and years.
@@hufficag Prostitution being illegal; has never stopped men to get access to them and I think if someone gets used to prostitutes won't see the point of ever settling down, those women, end up emotionally wrecked and lonely, that's what we are currently seeing with the only fan girls, I think people need to understand that they don't need to have their life together to get married because marriage it's about building a life with someone else and that includes going through struggles, those women who are looking for a 6 figure man in his early 20's or 30's with a car, house, and great career and physique are just delusional because achieving success takes time and life it's too short.
I am from Germany and am happily divorced. Costed me a lot of money. Won't happen again.
Despite that I just turned 60 no problem finding young women for sex.
If not - I couldn't care less.
I respect Jordan Peterson's intellect, but his public life experience is unique, and his personal life has been raising a daughter with his wife.
And look how she turned out...
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You The Man Rich 💯💊
I agree with Rich here. JP provides excellent advice in some areas, and naive advice in others. I heard JP advising men on marriage and pushing the 'man up' thing, and basically ignoring the real risks that men face today in getting married.
When JP says:
- Stand up straight
- Don't let your kids do anything that cause you to dislike them
I think he's right on track, but in these other matters he should be taken with a grain of salt.
He should also NOT be taken seriously when he talks about the bible or Christianity. He has no clue of what he's talking about.
The problem with JP is a common problem with so many people who become famous and sought after for interviews.. They can't ever say, 'I don't know' to questions that are well outside the bounds of their fields of knowledge and expertise. Sometimes he'll guard himself a little by saying he could be wrong, but that never stops him from offering ridiculous answers.
Oh Please - Like you're in the same league as JP....
I learned young not to spend money on women. It helped a lot.
Turn up the heat.
I genuinely respect Peterson, but the fact that his daughter is divorced disproves a significant amount of his opinions on the topic.
JP saying man up and get married is hilarious .. How about man up and do whatever the hell you want to do .. now that's how you man up
We're gonna hear about his divorce in the future. Mark my words!
I'll take Rich over Jordan, when it comes to relationships, any day
when i see guys have an instagram account, to me, it is the same as i see them adding makeup or lipstick on their faces. Kinda same to me.
The main difference from Peterson’s view and Rich Cooper is that the former is based on stronger scientific evidence (clinical cases, statistic analysis of results, etc). When Peterson says something like “most men” or “most women” that is most likely backed by hard data. I think Rick’s content is pretty useful and I agree with a big part of it, but at the end, his examples/experience just don’t draw from a pool that is as broad as the one from someone who’s been working professionally in a clinic and doing research as a psychologist.
Just 3?
I think he's wrong about a great many things.
Mhmm... MHMM MHMM.
You forgot about South Africa 🇿🇦 it's the same thing marriage ain't worth it
I don't agree with a lot of what Jordan Peterson says but he seems to me to have a lot more respect for women and then Rich Cooper does. Jordan Peterson is also not threatened by a successful women in the same way that Richard is. Richard is obsessed with being in control. And that's likely why his marriage to a successful woman didn't work out. He felt too threatened.
No one has to be the boss and it's unreasonable to think that negotiation should not be part of a relationship.
I think Rich is a smart guy but his emotional maturity is really like a teenager.
Similar to how he replies his reasoning is very juvenile as well things are always very black and white and there is one solution and Rich has to be right. He's not an academic which explains some of that. But at his age he should realise that you don't have to be right and things are nuanced. Not as simple as the vox pops he likes to constantly repeat. There are many types of relationships.
Rich may be successful in business to some extent (the only reason he likely has a girlfriend) but he's a bit cringe in terms of emotional and psychological maturity. He's fringe and found a niche in men that are bitter and struggling but from watching his videos I really cannot conclude that he has a fundamental respect for women he feels like he always has to put them down in some way.
This is the basic bitch take of must be insecure when a man enforces boundaries.
Are you married and for how long?
@@ikemokwu1612 You have some feminist equality beliefs that show a great lack of understanding of what creates sexual desire. Women want to be lead and men want to lead. Any partnership works better when it's clear who's in charge. In work and in a relationship. Any team needs a leader. This equality no boss is recipe for sexless marriage.
And your argument fails anyway because there are plenty of men married that live the traditional red pill way. Men lead and women follow as it naturally is. And wow what do you get. A loving wife who actually finds her husband attractive as a person. Rollo Tomassi is such a public figure. Patrick Bet David. You got examples of it.
What makes this even dumber is that Rich was blue pill as you are right now. Subscribing to these ideas of happy wife happy life and we don't need anyone making decisions and being a boss principles. The reason his marriage failed is precisely because he did think like you do now. Women aren't attracted to gender equality. They are attracted to men who lead and are strong both in physicality and personality.
Where did you leave your horse and suit of armour, white knight?
The point is women have lost respect for men. Notice how you mentioned it in regards for men respecting women but not vice versa. That's the problem. People are not addressing this enough. Also, you sound insecure to be honest.
Jordan Peterson only hade one woman. I could give him dating advice.
JP is awesome, however, I would definitely not listen to him when it comes to success with women.
No offense to these guys, but Jordan Peterson has more intelligence in his pinky finger than these two have combined. At least he considers how the information he puts out affects his audience and I truly believe he is trying to help people (both men and women). This channel seems encourage a certain narrative with its audience regardless of how it might be hurting them and the greater good. You really think being alone and giving up is the answer? These are people's lives we are talking about.
hes like a nerd trying to give dating advice .. stick to psychology
No he is a learned man in human behaviour
Personal experience means you only have knowledge from your perspective,or anecdotal evidence. You cannot give advice to another based on your personal experience. This is why we have people like jp, they understand the deep motivations in people's psyche