450 foot lbs for the gear. rebuilt a few and if I remember correctly its the same bearing used in the 71, 92 idler gear and you need a 1 to 4 lb pull with a scale to get a preload on the bearing to get it to work properly
That's why the rebearing option is appealing. You can buy a core gear that is still intact, rebearing it and be up and running cheaper. You just have to make sure that you get the right core.
Hey Tim, I have a 12.7 Detroit that needs to be overhauled and a bullgear replaced, block counterbored etc. just wondering how much would you charge for this. Thank you. I’m in Strafford
Hope you can help me out. 2002 S60 12.7 when it's fully up to temp shutting it down then starting after few mins will whine somewhere up front for 7-10 sec then fade away. Checked bullgear and all other gears no play removed all belts still whine BTW no whine when cold. I did rods mains and new oil pump pressure valves 6 months ago there was no whine before or after. I thought it was a oil pump bought new nothing. I am beginning to think those pressure valves are what's making noise as I can hear whine under oil pan right where those valves sit what do you think? Thank you. It also changes with rpm
It could be the valves. If it's been doing it for a while and you have no problems you might just let it be. Maybe not the answer you want. You could also put new regulator and relief valves in it.
you must be a newbie to the mack volvo engine, when they went from front gear to rear gear they forgot to change the thread direction, and the nut would back off, had a recall where you drilled the rear cover and installed a roll pin to stop it, hundreds upon hundreds failed, @@battleaxefabandmachine
I have a question My 2010 dd15 pulsating when idling but the rpm doesn't move around and also i just had fuel pump put on. Do u think it has anything to do with idling bull gear at all?
For a 14 liter 60s it cost 29k at dealer for me. Remove block. Reman crank. New head new turbo. New compressor and new egr valve. Plus some other hoses and clamps thru the job. They are not cheap but not as expensive as others. 4500 labor is a great deal.
I've never had to remove something that required so much torque so how would you stop the engine from moving I'm assuming if it's a standard you could leave it in gear but what if you had an automatic behind that does Detroit have a place to lock the engine out or do you have to get creative.
Just got a pm done on my 2008 s60 freightliner. They said they found a tooth while draining the oil. Truck was running normal. Do u think I can run a few weeks before getting the bull gear replaced?
@@battleaxefabandmachine when they saw the piece of metal they removed the oil pan to inspect the bottom they didn't see anything. Is there something I would notice while driving that would say its the bull gear?
@@custommade8830 no. It may have had a previous failure and that gear tooth was a left over. I would pull accessory drive and bar engine over and look at teeth
Probably the bell housing leak. Common problem on these engine. Remove trans , clutch, oil pan, support block, remove bell housing off back of motor. It’s a very big job. 5k is high but once u add motor mounts, seals, oil, new clutch, trans oil, resurfacing bell housing and reseal and install the rest. Big job for sure.
You used aftermarket before, Are they any good in the long run? I'm inframing my series 60. Machine shop suggests FP diesel kit. My aim would be to get another million miles out if it. Any suggestions. Thx
I have had good luck with ipd stuff. I think I have even used fp stuff before. The key is to measure everything with a good micrometer and to have the block cut and counterbored.
What is the all in $$price parts labor for what you’re doing??? I’m ready to rebuild mine 03 12.7 det. 1.24mil still working, trying to find the mechanic though...thanks for your video good information..
Remove the accessory drive gear the pulleys that drive the belts use a pry bar against the bull gear and the back of gear case should be no play if so replace or repair bull gears. (ACE) 40 year Diesle tech.
I had an overhaul done not even a year ago just had replace my head I think this is why…. Can you do this job for me I need it done asap since I just got my head put back on…How long do you think before I mess the head back up should I park it immediately? Pls let me know I just think I found out my problem don’t wanna mess my truck up again I’m an owner opp they told me I was good for 1.5 million miles I haven’t even made it a year yet…. Maybe 215k at most if that I been down alot I think this is why nobody said anything about this 😡
@@battleaxefabandmachine can you share your contact info? looking to inframe my detroit 60 series very soon and get new injectors, cam, bullgear and a head. im in TN. my mechanic wont do it and dealer is crazy expensive
14 to 16 hours labor to do the job there is no short cuts put a new bull gear in it . ! The left handed nut is 800ft lbs . Pay me now or pay me later is how thev saying gos !
You cannot be working at an authorized ddc dealer. This is NOT allowed. That bearing kit is aftermarket not ddc authorized. If your core is good they are not $1200 . Just sayin', do not attempt this at home. The cause of loose bull gear is not the nut loosening, it is typically fuel in the crankcase caused poor lubrication of the bull gear bearings causing the chrome to flake off the rollers and races. I replaced many bull gears and we got them for
Although I have worked at a detroit shop this wasn't. Yes the kit is aftermarket. The reason it is available is because it can be done successfully. Fuel dilution is not the only reason for failure. Man made parts wear out. I have done it a handful of times with no trouble.
Man i really appreciate your thorough explanation and good photos of how to remove and replace the bull gear
Much appreciated! I have more confidence in tackling this job now after seeing you do it and explaining it. Thank you sir!
450 foot lbs for the gear. rebuilt a few and if I remember correctly its the same bearing used in the 71, 92 idler gear and you need a 1 to 4 lb pull with a scale to get a preload on the bearing to get it to work properly
There is a preload on the new bearings FYI
When the nut is tightened, how do you adjust the preload? Do you alter the thickness of the spacer between the bearings?
I rebuilding a 60 series right now. I inframed it and was getting ready to set my cam back in and found a tooth missing on one of my bull gears.
That sucks but at least you have caught it.
Great content 👍
i hate it when these gears cost that much money to buy, only lucky place to find a cheaper one is ebay
That's why the rebearing option is appealing. You can buy a core gear that is still intact, rebearing it and be up and running cheaper. You just have to make sure that you get the right core.
Great video quick question? Before you start pulling gears off do you put everything in time and then pull gears to get back cover off.
If possible. I will try to get the cam and crank close to where they need to be to make it easier to go together
Tim Smith cool deal i replaced all the gears 3 years ago but didn’t take off the rear part of the cover and it came back to bite me lol.
@@Bocheap it always does. Lol.
@@Bocheap what do u mean it came back to bite you..what actually happened...thx
I never do that bearing service installed on the engine. I bolt mine to the welding table and put a 3/4 on it and never had a problem.
Hey Tim, I have a 12.7 Detroit that needs to be overhauled and a bullgear replaced, block counterbored etc. just wondering how much would you charge for this. Thank you.
I’m in Strafford
Give me a call. 4173490149
Hope you can help me out. 2002 S60 12.7 when it's fully up to temp shutting it down then starting after few mins will whine somewhere up front for 7-10 sec then fade away. Checked bullgear and all other gears no play removed all belts still whine BTW no whine when cold. I did rods mains and new oil pump pressure valves 6 months ago there was no whine before or after. I thought it was a oil pump bought new nothing. I am beginning to think those pressure valves are what's making noise as I can hear whine under oil pan right where those valves sit what do you think? Thank you. It also changes with rpm
It could be the valves. If it's been doing it for a while and you have no problems you might just let it be. Maybe not the answer you want. You could also put new regulator and relief valves in it.
@@battleaxefabandmachine ok thank you for responding I will try replacing valves since it's the easiest and cheapest lol
Oh my God I'm having this problem with my Mack mp8 bull gear. 2 Mack shops told me $17k job to replace. Been sitting for 6 months
Damn bro that sucks that Volvo D13 which is the same are notorious for that bull gear going. Get you a loan and pay it off in 2 years 🤷🏾♂️
willmann30 a loan 😂🤣
Buy another engine
I work at a mack/volvo dealership now. We don't have bullhead problems. It's usually just timing plate leaks.
you must be a newbie to the mack volvo engine, when they went from front gear to rear gear they forgot to change the thread direction, and the nut would back off, had a recall where you drilled the rear cover and installed a roll pin to stop it, hundreds upon hundreds failed, @@battleaxefabandmachine
The bull gear can be rebuilt for way less than $1500 .
Do you have to replace the nut on that bull gear or can you use the same nut
Same nut
I have a question
My 2010 dd15 pulsating when idling but the rpm doesn't move around and also i just had fuel pump put on. Do u think it has anything to do with idling bull gear at all?
I'm not familiar with the dd15 very much. I doubt that is the problem though
How much do you charge for a full inframe and bullgear replacement? '99 Detroit S60 with 1.3mil miles. Never been overhauled before.
I would do $4500 labor. You will also need the block to be machined. That would be $1000+/- for parts and labor
For a 14 liter 60s it cost 29k at dealer for me.
Remove block. Reman crank. New head new turbo. New compressor and new egr valve. Plus some other hoses and clamps thru the job.
They are not cheap but not as expensive as others. 4500 labor is a great deal.
@@georgegeorgepht bro theres a reason ppl call them stealerships
Where are you located at Bud?@@battleaxefabandmachine
@@vicentehernandez3821 Springfield Missouri
What oil you recommend we run delo in everything
Deli is fine
Smdh...I just had mines done with ALL the gears in 2017 & it broke off teeth already. I have no damn idea why.
I've never had to remove something that required so much torque so how would you stop the engine from moving I'm assuming if it's a standard you could leave it in gear but what if you had an automatic behind that does Detroit have a place to lock the engine out or do you have to get creative.
It's mounted to a spindle not crank or cam.
@@battleaxefabandmachine gotcha I should have thought of that wasn't thinking thanks again for the quick response
Just got a pm done on my 2008 s60 freightliner. They said they found a tooth while draining the oil. Truck was running normal. Do u think I can run a few weeks before getting the bull gear replaced?
I don't think it's worth the risk. Is it worth it to you?
@@battleaxefabandmachine kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. The shop said 6k to fix it so gotta run in order to pay for the repair
@@custommade8830 I would do a visual check and see if there is actually a tooth broke off or if it is from a previous issue.
@@battleaxefabandmachine when they saw the piece of metal they removed the oil pan to inspect the bottom they didn't see anything. Is there something I would notice while driving that would say its the bull gear?
@@custommade8830 no. It may have had a previous failure and that gear tooth was a left over. I would pull accessory drive and bar engine over and look at teeth
Tim my gear box is leaking oil really bad next to the block dealer tells 5000+ to fix it. What would you do it for?
It's probably cracked on the back gear case. $1500 plus parts
Probably the bell housing leak.
Common problem on these engine.
Remove trans , clutch, oil pan, support block, remove bell housing off back of motor.
It’s a very big job. 5k is high but once u add motor mounts, seals, oil, new clutch, trans oil, resurfacing bell housing and reseal and install the rest.
Big job for sure.
Did you use Genuine Detroit to inframe or aftermarket?
Aftermarket
You used aftermarket before, Are they any good in the long run? I'm inframing my series 60. Machine shop suggests FP diesel kit. My aim would be to get another million miles out if it. Any suggestions. Thx
I have had good luck with ipd stuff. I think I have even used fp stuff before. The key is to measure everything with a good micrometer and to have the block cut and counterbored.
@@battleaxefabandmachine thank u for reply. I guess I'll try FP diesel for the first time. Yes I'm getting the counterbore done.
What is the all in $$price parts labor for what you’re doing??? I’m ready to rebuild mine 03 12.7 det. 1.24mil still working, trying to find the mechanic though...thanks for your video good information..
For what I am doing in the video it's $1700 parts and labor
I'm in Springfield Missouri area
What is the name of the company where you got the bearings from?
You can get them at any bearing distributor. I bought mine from a place call BDI or Bearings Distributor Inc.
How can I check for play on bull gear without removing entire front cover off? Is it possible? My motor is 60s 99 model
Tony Hernandez you can check it through the accessory drive hole
Remove the accessory drive gear the pulleys that drive the belts use a pry bar against the bull gear and the back of gear case should be no play if so replace or repair bull gears. (ACE) 40 year Diesle tech.
How many miles before bull gear starts going bad
No set mileage. To many variables.
Hey, informative video. 👍
I have a 06 columbia s60 14l, could you do an in frame rebuild for me? If so, how much to get stared?
I can. Depending on how much we do it will be $5000-$7500 in labor
@@battleaxefabandmachine OK... do you have kits available?
Yes I do. Aftermarket and OEM. 4178296700 ask for Tim
@@battleaxefabandmachine aren't the rebuild kits still on back order
How do you know when the bull gear is bad?
Pull accessory drive, use pry bar to pry bull gear front to back. There will be flex but should not be play
HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE TO DO AN INFRAME ON A 60 SERIES 14L INCLUDING PARTS
As a shop it's going to be $3500+/- total
@@battleaxefabandmachine HOW LONG DOES IT TAKES
PLEASE EMAIL ME YOUR CONTACT INFO ABOWILLIAMS2@GMAIL.COM
how much did you charge for the inframe?
On what engine? What truck?
@@battleaxefabandmachine 60 series century 05
$3000 labor. You buy parts
Tim Smith where do you live at
Hi Tim where are you located for a inframe?
Strafford Missouri
What size of socket
Chinito Shampoo I don't know. I made my socket around the nut of my first one years ago. I can measure it.
Chinito Shampoo 3 1/4
I had an overhaul done not even a year ago just had replace my head I think this is why…. Can you do this job for me I need it done asap since I just got my head put back on…How long do you think before I mess the head back up should I park it immediately? Pls let me know I just think I found out my problem don’t wanna mess my truck up again I’m an owner opp they told me I was good for 1.5 million miles I haven’t even made it a year yet…. Maybe 215k at most if that I been down alot I think this is why nobody said anything about this 😡
Call me tomorrow. 4173490149
How much are you going to charge me to do the labor on mine?
Paul Shamblin $1500 labor
Thanks for this video I hate Detroit engines but at least I know how to fix my junk now
I was never notified of your comment. Lol. I love the 60 and 2 strokes. Thanks for watching
Do you have a viedo changing it out
No
Can bull gear go bad and seize engine
I have never seen it but I suppose it could if piston is hitting a valve. If they fail while the truck is moving it usually just bends all the valves
where u located ?
Springfield Missouri area
@@battleaxefabandmachine can you share your contact info?
looking to inframe my detroit 60 series very soon and get new injectors, cam, bullgear and a head. im in TN. my mechanic wont do it and dealer is crazy expensive
@@zaidchalabi1599 4173490149
How do you pull the Cam Drive Gear?
It has a single center bolt and 3 13mm bolts that you can access through the holes in the cam gear
There 900 from Detroit Diesel
900 ft pounds is the correct torque for the left hand threaded hub nut should have 5 lbs.of drag on timken bearings. F.Y.I.
Good to know
5 lbs of drag is to much. Should be 1-3 lbs of drag. If you have 5 lbs it will not last long.
14 to 16 hours labor to do the job there is no short cuts put a new bull gear in it . ! The left handed nut is 800ft lbs . Pay me now or pay me later is how thev saying gos !
do you make volvo d13?
What do you mean?
Do you fix this problem? I have Volvo 2013 and have the same problem. How much the repair will cost?
@@kostadinvasilev6779 I don't know much about the newer Volvo's
they are very similar, just at the back transmission has to be removed.
You cannot be working at an authorized ddc dealer. This is NOT allowed. That bearing kit is aftermarket not ddc authorized. If your core is good they are not $1200 . Just sayin', do not attempt this at home. The cause of loose bull gear is not the nut loosening, it is typically fuel in the crankcase caused poor lubrication of the bull gear bearings causing the chrome to flake off the rollers and races. I replaced many bull gears and we got them for
Although I have worked at a detroit shop this wasn't. Yes the kit is aftermarket. The reason it is available is because it can be done successfully. Fuel dilution is not the only reason for failure. Man made parts wear out. I have done it a handful of times with no trouble.
Whew lawd PAI ewwww!
To much talking and not showing. What's the point of the video?
this is obviously for people in the know, not idiots.
It you could please shoot me a email
Email address?