Pilot Destroys Nose Gear
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Looks like somebody also forgot to pull an RBF (Remove Before Flight) tag from the left main landing gear on that FedEx MD-11! 😮
good eye my friend
Wow excellent eye
A little small for a RBF tag ? Maybe some fod ?
Wow! Great catch!
Diversity over quality.
The vortices coming out of the C-17 engines looked like a tentacle searching for an airman.
Fun fact: it's actually the penis of the engine, not an air vortice as some people believe
@@RJiiFinand that’s how engines are made
It is searching. Vortex threads cannot terminate in free air. The low pressure region must be capped against a surface or become a closed ring to survive.
honestly looked like electrical discharge just commented above asking about that. looked it was VERY dusty wonder if that was static discharge.
Safest FedEx delivery.
lol
ruzzia brainwashed 🤮🤮🥴
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Tom Hanks would be proud.
no such thing!
Landing gear safety pins are commonly left in during taxi by maintenance personnel, for aircraft relocation or testing. That would probably explain the poor taxi skills too.
This is another one of those aviation channels that doesn't know shit about aviation.
@@rens9313you have no clue what you re talking about my friend
@@mateimatei2074Based on what statement? The subtitles say "pilot". It is more likely "engineer" since the gearpins are still installed.
@@ImperrfectStrangerexactly mate
he's right@@mateimatei2074
0:18
fast & furious producers: write that down... write that down... !!
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The Fedex MD11 was being taxed by an AMT. It was at LAX. At LAX, AMT's that taxi aircraft have to be escorted by a LAX "Follow Me" vehicle if they are going to cross the runways. I worked for Fedex for 43 years as an AMT for Fedex at LAX. I taxied the MD11 aircraft hundreds of times. This AMT was making his turn at too high a taxi speed (greater than 15kts). Since the aircraft is light as it has no freight onboard, a nose will will scuff a lot when the turn is made.
I was thinking they just had too much power on the inside engine of the turn and was pushing it straight but I agree also looked like they were just going too fast and then since wasnt getting it to turn like they wanted pushed it too far then blammo... skid/drift.. Since you did that job for several years you could answer if you split throttles for that kind of maneuvering (as Im not sure if you even use this method for taxiing)
@@Cinncinnatus yes u can throttle up one side for a sharper turn
i use the throttles to help turn when i taxi@@Cinncinnatus
Did that really "destroy" the nose gear?
Kudos to the pilot of the Atlas 747-400, reducing the noise significantly above the populated areas he's been flying over while approaching the airport! I live in such an area and can tell by experience which pilots extend their gear way too early and which do not.
That Atlas Air had as near a perfect landing as can be. Even without landing gear, that would still have been better than some landings I’ve seen!
The question is, did they follow protocol?
I'm sure 74Gear mentioned at some point his companies procedure for have a stabilized approach by a certain height, but not sure...
I wonder if that was just Kelsey showing off so he could be in his own viral debrief video!?!? 😂
just looked it up, time is not the factor in when you drop your gear. its how far you are from the runway (and there is no std. its purely based on policy of the airline) typically 7nm from the runway on avg. Like you said the landing looked perfect so not sure what the issue is here.
The ST Elmos Fire is gorgeous!
It's not St Elmo's Fire.
@@guyincognito.? Explain? St Elmos is when charged particles collide with a surface and decharge. I am pretty sure that is St Elmos
@@zoolityhe's right, that's not St. Elmo's. St. Elmo's fire is a constant glow, physically a bit comparable with a neon light. Here in the video we see static discharges.. in other words "lightning" on the outside skin of the airplane.
@@Ephedrin666ohhh well explained! So these lighting happen with St Elmos? yeah ty
This is the best aviation clip channel and ALWAYS has the best comments!
nice timing with the audio as the front wheel touches down on that last clip. 👍
Atlas still nailed it.
Not that I have any direct knowledge of this, but I've heard of 😉 a couple of cargo pilots that seemed like great guys, but thought once they were in the seat that they had the checklists memorized. It's great jump seating and see things engaged at a frantic pace when the radio altimeter starts calling out altitudes. At least that's what I heard.🥺
Saved fuel in the process?
Be careful of your wording. Your wording sounds like mine when I went to the doctors on behalf of a “friend” who suspected he had an enlarged prostate but was too scared to get it checked. The doctor then demonstrated on me how he would check my “friend” if he were to make an appointment. Turns out my “friend” was right 🥺
you would notice zero savings@@therealdeal6846
THE best aviation channel on the webz. Keep it up!
Flat-spotting super-expensive tires, ON TIME.
negative
It will Not flat spot the tyre as long as the direction of wheel has a component along the actual direction of travel. The Tyre will the rotating while skidding.
Hate to be that guy but that's not St Elmo's fire. Just static discharge across the heating element in the front windscreen. St Elmo's fire looks like a steady glow and you'd normally see it over a something forwardmost into the airflow, so the temperature probe is a good bet or in extreme conditions you may be able to see it over the nose of the aircraft.
Yep.🙂
It is a good demo of why making sure all those grounding straps on control surfaces and structures are critical. Static discharge management is a big deal.
Wrong - that's St Elmo's fire.
Two different discharges (plasma), but the same phenomenon. So it can still be called St Elmo fires. There is a study from MIT that demostrate that "not grounded objects" behave a bit differently, and show electrostatic discharge instead of corona discharge on ships for example. But it is the same phenomenon, just in two different situations.
It is indeed st Elmo’s fire
The Atlas Air boys know what’s what. Landing gear causes drag. Drag causes more fuel to burn. Less fuel burn, bigger bonus.
lol
HAH, what bonus? We don't get bonuses round here.
@@burnn3 Seriously? The used to bonus out for fuel savings, on time arrivals etc. Obviously that’s no longer the case.
Yes and no. You save indeed a few hundred gallons, but that's unimportant. The 747 landed fast with 30 flaps, was lightweight. Was either instructed for a fast arrival, or pilots were in a rush (running late? Tired?). Lowering the landing gears late is the most efficient way to catch up with time or squeeze yourself in a window rush.
That would have gotten a pilot at my company flagged for unstable approach (not configured) with no go-around. Of course, Atlas must have different SOPs, different company.
Better to have the landing gear down 30 seconds before touchdown than not at all. 😅
In addition to the remove before flight tag on the left landing gear, is anyone else seeing the open port on the left side of the forward part of the fuselage?
Is FedEx okay?
That's normal - I believe it's an inlet or exhaust for one of the ac packs but not sure. I do know there's plenty of pictures of them taking off with that in various open positions though.
Looks like a pressurization outflow valve, and as the aircraft is probably taxied for maintenance and not taking off, nothing wrong here with the valve or the tag.
Out flow valve on the MD11. You would be surprised at the amount of calls maintenance gets due to people thinking that a door was left open. Even had other pilots and mechanics call it in......
@@GlutenEruptionPack inlets are below the The World on Time stenciling.
Flaps retracted = we’re not gonna fly. My guess is that a mechanic did the taxing. Explaining the poor skills plus flags.
MD11 pilot using rudder like I do in X-plane 😂
I was just gonna say this - EVERY time in the Rotate MD11 😂
Quality content, thank you so much. 🙂
2:30 Two other pararell approaches are visible for a second - that looks great!
Happy to see those Atlas Air 747s flying into the airport down here, the beautiful 747 still flies!
The St. Elmo's fire is spectacular. I saw it once dancing off a wingtip of a DC-10.
1:27 Thanks for showing a Sri Lankan airplane! 😍
yea beautry
FedEx trying to drift a Mad Dog lol
0:23 That really looked like Jetblue Flight 292
0:23 Certified JetBluè Classic 🗿
Excellent video!😸
LOVE THIS CHANNEL.....but now I need to go play the song "St. Elmo's Fire" to get it out of a running loop in my knucklehead brain! 🤣 Cheers To All Who Hang In The Clouds With The 3MOA Community!
That Atlas Air pilot was diagnosed with dementia after the flight.😢😂
Flat-spotted the tires, back to the pits! STAT!
maybe it was Lewis Hamilton?
The lack of aviation knowledge on/in this channel is astounding
02:01 Birds near airport sound like cockpit warnings.
Oh yes! I’m happy for this week’s 3 MoA
1:04 that plane is so big, even the side cam has a perfect forward view. 👍
Bro's taxiing like the average xplane player
Fs in the chat for that front gear🫡
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0:20 when a captain will hear the phrase "burning rubber" this is what they think of now 😂
I’m suprised the plane even turned when the wheel turned 90°
That probably had more to do with engine power than wheel steering.
Probably used differential braking to get it turned. If power was added during that situation the persons taxi credentials should be revoked.
Maybe it was being taxied by ground personnel, probably empty . in this condition the MD11 is tail heavy and the nose gear has very little grip.
And, as the gear is tilted forward slightly, in a tight turn the outboard wheel is lifted from the tarmac
Seems less than 90 degrees. I know the 747 goes to 70 degrees.
I worked at FedEx Express for a short while. I’m not an expert, but I’ve seen pilots turn MD-11s just as tight. There’s likely an issue causing the nose wheel not to turn the aircraft.
They turn the nose wheels sharply enough to come up on one wheel, and I’ve never seen that cause an issue.
The issue is that their ground speed was way too high for that tight of a turn
Have you seen the safety flags at the landing gear? This wasn't a pilot taxiing, but maintenance.
Too fast for the turn and likely at the rearmost allowable CG, meaning there wasn’t much traction on the NLG
Taxi with NWS inop. Shallow turns are fine, the caster restores centering, you turn too sharp and that happens. Somebody recently did the same thing on an A320, took off and blew both nose tires, landed with lots of sparks, causing Airbus to delete the procedure from the MEL.
i have seen pilots make that mistake@@rens9313
I still LOVE seeing a 747 fly!!
Tthis is like a daily dose aviation for me
1:40 Super pretty lightning! Well done to the brave pilots for putting up with it! Me, on a sunny day I'd be scared so with the lightning😬 I'd get out of the cockpit and lock myself in the toilets 😅🤞🤣
Dude may have forgotten to get the gear down earlier but he sure greased that landing.
The Fedex MD-11 is a maintenance taxi by mechanics. There's a follow me truck and gear pins are installed.
we never taxi with gear pins in
@@justing42 he sure wasn't taxiing for t/o. Then someone left them in!
Thanks a lot.
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"Pilate destroys nose gear." The tire is hot, but pretty sure the nose gear is fine. 🙂
Wonder how that nearly flaming wheel sounded from the inside
EEwwwwwEEEEeeeeRrrrrRrrrrrEeeeeeeEeerrwwerrwrwrwrwrwrrwrwWwwwwrRrrrrrrrrRrrrRRRRRRRREEEEEeeeeeeeEwwwwwerewrwerwerwr
You don't feel it (unless you're some McDD landing gear engineer back in the days, the only ones concerned about the issue, who actually checked at the time). That tire unfortunately just skids with barely noticeable vibration. If the APU and engines were not running, yeah, you'll feel the faint rumbling. However, the hints you would have (as a pilot) are provided by experience and competence : with that much steering, you barely turn, meaning you're too fast and skidding, prompting an immediate braking/and or corrective steering amount : steer less to regain grip and retake control of turn momentum then gradually increase steering to avoid skidding...
Also, every aircraft has a steering limit based on speed (and sometimes overall weight), you grasp it through experience. MD11/DC10 are notorious for weak tolerance on that matter, that's because over a certain steering amount, especially when lightweight, only one nose tire comes to contact to the ground (explains aswell why you don't feel it). The mechanics in charge of moving that craft somewhere else isn't just experienced enough (or is in a rush/absent minded state/caught off guard by the sudden turn - though that last case is very unlikely, there's a follow me car in front)
Nonetheless, that skidding probably costed the tire a few hundred cycles... that's extra earlier work for those involved, and a few thousand dollars to pay early for the company. Nobody's perfect... 😂
2:26 the real mavericks, hearing those kind of warnings.
And what's dangling from the left landing gear on that FedEx craft?
prolly says REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT on it
@@dave.of.the.forrestwhich is fine as odds are this was maintenance taxiing the plane.
@@dave.of.the.forrest That's exactly what I thought - but I was looking for the red color. This looks black maybe...
@@MidwestMotorflaps were retracted you were prob right.
That's not St. Elmo's fire; that's just ordinary static discharge. St. Elmo's fire is also called "ball lightning", and is often seen as basically a floating, glowing orb.
Looks like St Elmo’s fire to me
Depends on culture : St Elmo's fire may originate from those not fully explained and hard to reproduce orbs (disputed), but along the centuries, it got associated with anyting combining friction and static discharges. Seems trying to go against popular beliefs nowadays is a loosing battle. It's like "weight" in french, which translates to "poids", which is deeply mistaken, because poids means the gravity force exerted on a body, which varies expressed in Newton, not the weight expressed in kilograms or pounds, etc. which remains the same as the actual mass value. The correct word in french should be "masse", but nobody uses that word nor anywhere near to realize how misused the word got over the centuries. Popular habits is one hell of a thing to change, it's more fancy and appealing to brag about a spiritual knowledge like "I've witnessed Elmo's fire", that says it all, rather than just saying "I contemplated static discharges on a multilayered plexi window at 400 knots some 35 thousand feet above the ground" (so geek isn't it 😝)
@@StephenKarl_Integral I don’t care about any of that
Im thinking the fedex plane was undergoing some maintenance. Flaps were retracted and remove before flight flags were still on the left main gear. Most importantly, the flaps and slats are retracted so it wasn’t gonna take off.
Edit: forgot to mention how maintenance personnel can taxi planes.
they are called gear pins
Fed ex destroys nose gear and destroys packages 😂
uhhhh no they didn't
that MD11 is me in flight simulators lmao
you owe me eight seconds of aviation
FedEx turned into JetBlue 292 💀💀
Man drifted with the nosewheel
Cool vortex by that PW at 0:48
Aargh! 1:35 made my hair go all frizzy!
wtf was that almost lighting bolt looking effect on the front of the engine to ground at 0:50 ? Actual electrical discharge or just air effect?
I'm curious... Is that 747 Atlas the last one or I'm wrong...
Any idea why this fedex was taxiying? It looks like it was loaded unbalanced (i.e. rear heavy) with the center of mass moved too far back behind the rear wheels.
maintenance taxi...empty
FedEx overloaded again 💀💀
Was the last clip an issue because they lowered gears too late? Does it really matter though, cus if there's an issue and it's too late they'd just go around anyway?
Not a pilot here, but I hear pilots on YT often say you want to be "fully configured" way earlier, meaning all flaps down, gear down etc. Probably because it's just an unnecessary distraction at that point?
@@stefanschneider3681 that makes sense thanks =]
Or was it intentional, like when asked by traffic to expedite the landing/increase speed. Why? Maybe lots of incoming traffic, the window is tight, go fast, land, vacate runway. Or a long series of awaiting take offs. Possibly, pilots wanting to land as soon as possible : running late, remaining fuel concern, or tired after a long flight?
On the very rare cases you fall in that situation, you can maintain energy (speed) by lowering flaps and landing gear late. Of course, obviously, you avoid pushing it too far, to end with a runway overrun or worse, forgetting about lowering the landing gears. I'm basing all that on the fact that only flaps 30 were used upon touch down, which is tolerated when the aircraft is lightweight (in some companies, except Qantas which became so strict after a 747 runway overrun).
FedEx MD-11, has gear lock pin in place on MLG so this is likely a mechainc taxiing and I have seen them do this to DC-10's before as well
Light nose on the MD?
The 747 crew finally hear the Cardinal warning them!
Glad I wasn't the only one catching that...
That's a simulation with lightning ! Look its always the same shape 😂
Flaps? 40. Speedbrake? Armed. Gear?... Gear? Oh shit. Gear down.
Is that plane that lite up front
FedEx MD11, the plane is probably very light with not much weight over the nose wheel. They need to hit a little right brake to help the nose around. Same thing happens on my 747 sometimes.
767 doing a burnout.
You owe us 7 seconds of aviation
Cool
That 747 pilot looked like he was pretending to be a Space Shuttle pilot, or a VC-25 pilot staying ready to push the TOGA button and activate the water injection. 😮
Fake Shuttle
Just a fuel savings trick, bean counters would be proud. The best pilots don't drop flaps or gear until 200 feet AGL.
@@DoNotEatPoo airliners have to be stabilized with gear down by 1,000 feet.
First time I’ve seen someone drift a plane!
Weight a little off center??
So that’s how you drift an airliner.
Damaged a tire a bit, but the gear itself isn’t destroyed.
-stupid title.
he didn't use "too much steering". He was going too fast
Too much steering for the speed was going
Wizard 👌🏾
Atlas Air may have gotten away with that faux pas except for there is *always* someone watching, and the power of the internet. Blimey! 🙄
That MD was just repositioning, left engine off and probably center too, the torque from the right overcame the nose wheel. I once watched an ATR42, it's snowing, pilot starts right engine, steers to the right and plowed straight into a cart. How can you know how to fly and not know how to drive??? Thinking about it the cart stopped it from hitting the terminal.
All 3 are running for maintenance taxi.
I thought what happened with that FedEx plane only occurred on MSFS 2020. 😂
Was that FedEx aircraft perhaps loaded heavy in the rear causing understeer?
Empty! Without payload, MD11 CG shifts aft. It was a mechanic moving the plane to another spot, no flaps, a follow me car, and landing gear lock pins in place, ie, it didn't just landed, wasn't about to take off, just moved somewhere else (no actual pilot on duty).
@@StephenKarl_Integral ah okay thanks for that interesting info - cheers
Shouldn't there be a limiter on that steering tiller 🤷♂️?
That's maintenance taxing the MD11. Note the follow me car and the flag's hanging off the gear pins......
Looks like there were smoke tornados coming from the globemaster engine. If I was that guy I wouldn't have been anywhere close to that.
That was not smoke, and is 100% normal
@@appleintosh well maybe not smoke, but tornados looking for humans to suck into the engine.
Sorry, i missed the part where a "nose gear was destroyed"?!?
That’s at LAX on taxiway alpha 8
My friend Greg is a 747 pilot for Atlas Air. I wonder if that was him? :)
O MD11 só quis fazer um borrachão kkkkk
That was a mechanic taxing the md11, gear pins are in and they’re following the airport ops car.
2:30, two more planes in the background. Is there another airport nearby?
Look at a map of Dallas airport... ;) More than 4km between parallel runways.
Md 11 pilot trying to drift an airplane like a sports car and do the deja vu thing ...
That is tragic understeer.
Yes, I assumed the 747 was screeming at them.
How much does an airplane tire cost?
couldnt find another clip to make up the 3 minutes?
Kelsey @74Gear, is that you at 2:00?
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