15 card PSA order and I got smoked, PSA 8's for days......

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  • @NEO_Cards_Comics
    @NEO_Cards_Comics  Месяц назад +1

    This was a 15 card order not sure why I said 13 cards in vid. 13 card MLB special and 2 card value plus.

  • @leonardtabone8670
    @leonardtabone8670 Месяц назад +19

    I have a friend who has been grading cards with psa for over 10 years. He is nice enough to pre-screen them for a case of beer haha!! Over the past year and about 400ish cards to to PSA we are running at 75% 10s. Have to be super picky. Here is a tip....turn the cards over and look at the backs 1st...then take the pile that passes the 1st qc check then look at the front. The back wont allow you to have an emotional attachment to the card. Im in the color match camp myself but need to take the emotional side out of equation. That Rice auto is going to do well for you 💪

    • @SwingBataBata
      @SwingBataBata Месяц назад +2

      Great advice 👍🏼

    • @Lancealot24
      @Lancealot24 Месяц назад +2

      I like this. I’m doing this next time. Thanks for the advice.

    • @beachrain8617
      @beachrain8617 Месяц назад +1

      Yeah if you send off only perfectly centered, perfect looking cards you should get more 10s. I notice most singles I buy off Ebay usually has a small surface issue. Usually a faint print line or scratch line, or nip or ding in the cardstock. Sure some of these tiny flaws may get past some graders but not all. You don't really need a jeweler's loupe. If you see something that looks off, the grader will see it as well.

    • @leonardtabone8670
      @leonardtabone8670 Месяц назад +1

      @beachrain8617 Not every card is perfect. There is always risk involved. I think "what if this was 9 can at least get the grading fee back" case in point. I sent 2 red/white/blue cj stroud in, I thought 9s... both came back 10s, but I knew if it was a 9, i wouldn't have lost a lot of money.

  • @nick3.14
    @nick3.14 Месяц назад +6

    Some tips for anyone. I use a 40x handheld microscope with a built in light. If you can see even the smallest worn corner on front (white or colored) likely an 8. White on back can get a 9. Full print lines and dimples on back can gem. Small print lines and dimples on front can gem. If it looks off center at all on front likely 9. Border edging likely 8. Check 9 values before grading, and think of value if you dont gem. If front doesnt look perfect to the naked eye, your 9/10 is prob 50/50. Consistent 80% gem over 5 submissions. The distracted grader is not my experience, but i trust if it hapens to others. Use the "am i ok if its a 9" before sending, and eliminate the emotional "i think i could get lucky" cards, those are usually always 9s or 8s. Sharing cause i know its tough out there. Cheers

    • @justin783
      @justin783 Месяц назад

      Super small whitening on corner can still be 9s lol. I've gotten multple 9s on super small worn corners.

    • @nick3.14
      @nick3.14 Месяц назад

      @justin783 well done sir, I don't even try lol

    • @beachrain8617
      @beachrain8617 Месяц назад

      Yeah I just got back 9 cards from PSA, six got 10s, the three got 9s(ones I had doubts). The Prizm /150 Premium Factory Set(silver pandora) from this year are jacked up. I bought like 6 of them and all had issues. I sent off a Jaquez & Lively both had a couple faint print lines on the front and they got PSA 9s which I was okay with before sending off. Finding cards that are possible PSA 10s is not easy. Maybe 1/3 of the cards I buy off Ebay look like a PSA 10, and I only buy perfectly centered cards. It's always surface issues.

    • @nick3.14
      @nick3.14 Месяц назад

      @beachrain8617 yah I hear ya man. Last year's was a nightmare for me, even tho I paid next to nothing (ebay sale of my life) I dimed a butler jersey match....that was about it. Ginobili auto /10 made it better ha. If its not a strong 10 candidate, I throw it in a mag or top loader. 9's are just brutal unless it a big card

  • @GilkSportsCards
    @GilkSportsCards Месяц назад +5

    I posted a video a few days ago. Even though I live in CA and send my PSA submissions to the CA facility, sometimes my graded cards are sent back to me from New Jersey. I noticed that my grades seem to be way better from the CA facility over the NJ one. Coincidence? Maybe, but regardless I’m not thrilled my cards are getting shipped by PSA from CA to NJ without my approval. I bet your submission came from the NJ facility.

    • @paulharkabus4148
      @paulharkabus4148 23 дня назад +1

      Mine recently have been shifted to Jersey also and my grades have suffered greatly ever since. I'm about done with it all together at this point. I think recently they realized that people getting 65% to 75% psa 10s were making really good money and they decided that regular people don't need 75% gem rates. 35% will keep us on the edge and keep us coming back expecting better results next time

    • @GilkSportsCards
      @GilkSportsCards 23 дня назад

      @ you might be right !

  • @Vse8311
    @Vse8311 Месяц назад +4

    So glad I got out of the grading scam. Spending $20 for a grade 9 just to lose money.

  • @ClipCity21
    @ClipCity21 Месяц назад +2

    Man I want to do direct to eBay too, but then the fun and joy of getting ur cards is gone 😢

  • @chrisolivo6591
    @chrisolivo6591 Месяц назад +1

    I always love these videos because it just reinforces that nobody can tell the difference between a modern PSA 10 or 9 or even 8 sometimes unless it’s way off centered. It just shows how ridiculous the grading system is. It just baffles me that people still pay a premium for a PSA 10 when you can have the same card in a 9. Now flippers are the only group of people in the hobby that I understand buying PSA 10’s.

  • @vernoncarey5971
    @vernoncarey5971 Месяц назад +12

    I recently got an order back of 35 MLB auto cards, all 2024, and got like 95% PSA 9s. I think the grader was rushing to catch up with his lunch buddies or something and just gave them all 9s. Some of them I may snap out and resub just to confirm my theory that the whole PSA grading process is a big joke, unfortunately the joke is on us...however sometimes though it works in your favor...submitted a Herbert auto 2020 rookie card numbered to /21 a couple years ago, came back a PSA 8. Sat in my closet for two years, decided to crack it and resub just for fun, just came back a PSA 10 worth north of $3K and PSA did not even upcharge me. Great consistency PSA!

    • @dero0808
      @dero0808 Месяц назад +1

      I totally agree … I cancelled my PSA account because of how bs and inconsistent it is.

  • @Tim.K.1976
    @Tim.K.1976 Месяц назад +1

    Really good point about the shipping

  • @thehobbyphd
    @thehobbyphd Месяц назад +1

    Completely agree on the shipping charge. I've emailed them about it lol.

  • @stobbz9644
    @stobbz9644 Месяц назад +1

    I was trying to scrape together another PSA order even though my last one wasn't great but I should probably just sell the shit raw and move on. The couple months it'll take to get back combined with the 8's their handing out, it's probably just pissing away money sending them.

  • @Philly_Joe
    @Philly_Joe Месяц назад +1

    Thanks! Interested in your valut experience. I'll wait to see what you have to say before commenting aboit my 20 card /slab experiment. I'm not too enthused about the direct to ebay PSA service...the extra shipping costs are btutal imo. Thanks again and good luck!!!!

  • @Mrsaltypickle
    @Mrsaltypickle Месяц назад +2

    I agree the main reason i don't auction with psa is because of the unnecessary amount of shipping I still get charged.

  • @funnysmell2044
    @funnysmell2044 Месяц назад +4

    PSA will continue to grade 1 million cards a month. They upcharge everything because they can. Why would they care because they will continue to get your submissions no matter how many PSA 8's they give you.

  • @MrPatsfan1283
    @MrPatsfan1283 Месяц назад +3

    Same thing happened to EliteCo. A psychotic number of 8's.

  • @Nogame7_Cards
    @Nogame7_Cards Месяц назад +1

    So true on the vault shipping. Id send much more to auction/vault if i got a big break there.
    Grades have been garbage lately too.

  • @klosoncy
    @klosoncy Месяц назад +4

    I'll add my 2 cents, i do a few thousand cards a year and i have a very high % for 10's i have my own dark room for scrubbing, and my last order i got 20 PSA 9's in a row, NEVER NEVER ever have i ever had that much of a blown-out rate in my 25 years of grading, so something sketch is going on over there!! NOT HAPPY!!

    • @jeffersonjohnson
      @jeffersonjohnson Месяц назад

      Im in the same boat. Modern subs have been getting smoked with 9's and I have submitted thousands of cards with a high gem rate. Centering had to be my downfall and I know that PSA is using tech to determine centering now so that might be the issue

  • @darkjedi213
    @darkjedi213 Месяц назад +2

    I was charged $65 shipping for 31 cards from grading to vault. It's wildly inefficient and needlessly costly to customers for them to package up every order individually to go to the same destination. Also I've now sold 10 items on the Vault/Ebay system. 3 appear to be non paying bidders and I've learned these can get permanently stuck in the system until PSA gets a backend database programmer to manually fix them.

  • @jeffersonjohnson
    @jeffersonjohnson Месяц назад

    PSA is crushing on centering. I got smoked on my Topps chrome submission (over 30 cards) and the only issues were centering. I also sent in 2 amazing Wemby autos and ever so slightly off centered and both got 9's. Nothing other than centering could have been the issue. I think your comment was spot on.

  • @Hobbyrants
    @Hobbyrants Месяц назад +2

    Yup. Don't and won't ever grade with PSA again. My last order has been there since Aug 6. Still in research and ID

  • @On_Point_Collecting_IG
    @On_Point_Collecting_IG Месяц назад +2

    PSA 8’s I crack and send to BGS.

    • @chrisfree9
      @chrisfree9 Месяц назад +1

      What is price to send one card to BGS? PsA been damaging my cards I think, when they take them out of card savers and I’m getting bad grades because of it

    • @On_Point_Collecting_IG
      @On_Point_Collecting_IG Месяц назад

      @@chrisfree9 $18 per card, I have never had no issues with Beckett.

  • @nooneknows3919
    @nooneknows3919 Месяц назад

    Off topic question I've came across in PSA slabs do they completely change the way they look because there's no injection molding on the bottom but on the side instead the density of the plastic is different the border on the cases different any ideas if that is a new change sorry for the off topic question?

  • @MG-FS_Sports_Cards
    @MG-FS_Sports_Cards Месяц назад

    Sorry about the rough gem rate NEO. Quick question, did they ship back from NJ or Cali? I commened on another video, but I have noticed my Gem Rate was about 15-20% lower on my last two PSA orders that came from NJ. Also, I am little confused about what you mean on the shipping charges. Does PSA charge another shipping cost to send cards to the vault? Look forward to hearing back from you. Until next time.....

  • @slugger82685
    @slugger82685 Месяц назад +1

    the problem is consistency......it goes back to the age old issue of differing opinions of PSA graders, drives me nuts.

  • @kevinbeers6499
    @kevinbeers6499 Месяц назад +1

    I thought PSA was now providing grader's notes to support the grades it provides.

  • @howievision
    @howievision Месяц назад +1

    You probably got a tough grader. If you have more 8s than 9s on ultra modern, that's rough.

  • @jimbobrobertson3285
    @jimbobrobertson3285 Месяц назад

    I recently subbed to SGC for the first time, all vintage, and got better grades than expected. I have another active order in now. I am considering sending some 89 Topps Traded Tiffany cards in because of all the videos I am seeing recently from PSA submissions has got me super apprehensive and with no confidence I am getting a 10. At least SGC has possibility of giving a 9.5.

  • @mattmortier8201
    @mattmortier8201 Месяц назад

    Neo do get a discount for return shipping when you let PSA submit to ebay?

  • @taylorheavington5627
    @taylorheavington5627 Месяц назад

    I've been having a ton of luck grading through COMC. So far I'm 4 out of 5 for PSA 10's and 1 PSA 8 from a card that I bought on the site.

  • @mattherzstein5616
    @mattherzstein5616 Месяц назад +4

    My buddy and I just got a 63 card order back from the MLB September Special. We got 42 10s, 20 9s, and 1 PSA 8. We crushed it

  • @mikeg6468
    @mikeg6468 Месяц назад

    That's crazy, I also just received my Sept. MLB special back yesterday. It was mostly 2023 draft chrome 1st. Gem'd 19/20 and I couldn't believe it! You just never know sometimes

  • @shayschultz450
    @shayschultz450 Месяц назад

    I'm trying to decide if this is a PSA issue or a Topps issue. If we are spending this much in cards, I want cards that consistently grade a 10 from the pack otherwise I might stop buying wax

  • @ScottSmith-pe8lr
    @ScottSmith-pe8lr Месяц назад +1

    Cgc and sgc actually grade the card correctly. PSA is absolutely terrible and so inconsistent

  • @billp6605
    @billp6605 Месяц назад

    There are a lot more 8’s (or lower) on modern stuff that is head scratching. I haven’t changed my pre grading process at all and the gem rates are way down.
    I’ve gotten a few low end cards damaged by PSA resulting in 5’s and 6’s, and regarding the 7’s and 8’s I think some of the graders are grading tougher than their “grading standards” posted online. It’s frustrating.

  • @Sportscardwhatever
    @Sportscardwhatever Месяц назад

    Yoikes! That’s a lot of 8s. I submitted 10 cards for September MLB special. Arrived Sept-12, Completed Oct-22. 5 PSA 10s, 3 PSA 9s, 2 PSA 8s.

  • @michaeldenzer6024
    @michaeldenzer6024 Месяц назад +2

    U either didn't check these good. Or got a strict grader. That sucks. I won't grade with psa ever again.....Sgc all the way!

  • @robroszk
    @robroszk Месяц назад +1

    CGC grading could be another option for you to look into...

    • @beachrain8617
      @beachrain8617 Месяц назад +1

      Resale value on CGC is terrible dealers at card shows don't want them. Nobody will buy sports cards in a CGC case. Only thing they are good for is TCGs & Marvel cards and trying for a Pristine 10, but in that scenario BGS would be better, trying for a BGS Pristine Gold or Black label Perfect 10.

  • @rbluma
    @rbluma Месяц назад +1

    Which PSA location graded this sub? CA or NJ?

    • @JamesAnthonyCards
      @JamesAnthonyCards Месяц назад

      my subs that come back from NJ are always worse than CA

    • @rbluma
      @rbluma Месяц назад

      @@JamesAnthonyCards I agree, my gem rate is significantly lower from NJ. I just sent a couple subs, if they come back from NJ, I might be completely done with PSA.

    • @NEO_Cards_Comics
      @NEO_Cards_Comics  Месяц назад

      CA

  • @cincycards2215
    @cincycards2215 Месяц назад

    I just had a 14 card MLB special pop today. I normally do very well with my gem rate. I got absolutely murdered this time around. Like 4 total 10s. Stuff that should have been easy. Sucks that it all depends on who grades your cards. Another grader probably would have had me around 11/14 gems.

  • @cardsandcomics
    @cardsandcomics Месяц назад

    Welcome to Club 8, PSA needs to get their consistency under control. I am in the middle of having to resend a bunch of cards back to them or maybe SGC because of this lack of consistency. Last time every card i resubmitted bumped up a grade

    • @jimbobrobertson3285
      @jimbobrobertson3285 Месяц назад

      I’m convinced, even though it is a theory, that some of the practices that PSA does is all driven by money. For instance, with the volume of cards that goes through them they know they have guaranteed business, month to month. I think they give all these 9’s and 8’s hoping people will resubmit. Generating more revenue.

    • @cardsandcomics
      @cardsandcomics Месяц назад

      @@jimbobrobertson3285 one thing I think is scary is that they are taking photos of numbered cards and if you resubmit there is a good chance you will just get the same grade over and over so they don't have these embarrassing PSA 6 to PSA 9 issues

  • @Bazookatom
    @Bazookatom Месяц назад

    The streak in the auto doesn't impact the card grade value, though, right?

  • @JT-xn5qr
    @JT-xn5qr Месяц назад

    Eventually they have to ship the card to the buyer, no?

    • @NEO_Cards_Comics
      @NEO_Cards_Comics  Месяц назад

      Yea they charge the buyer for that I’m talking about shipping the card from psa to the psa vault.

  • @projal147mw
    @projal147mw Месяц назад

    If I remember correctly, Draft was horrible QC with autos consistently having dinged corners and bends/creases

  • @MikelineTV
    @MikelineTV Месяц назад

    So does the streaked auto counts as a lower grade from PSA as opposed to Beckett? Graded card companies are rigged!

  • @realaudioreviews
    @realaudioreviews Месяц назад

    I got 12 9s out of the 24 I sent. Sent over 200+ cards, my recent orders were shockers

  • @traviscoates6878
    @traviscoates6878 Месяц назад

    I thought PSA graded the card, not the auto. Unless you specifically wanted the auto graded?

  • @charlesbedrosian6002
    @charlesbedrosian6002 Месяц назад +1

    Send your cards to me I’ll look over them lol. I’m on a hot streak last 5 orders 60 cards 54 were 10’s 😂 All mid to lower high end.

  • @nomoreshiny
    @nomoreshiny Месяц назад

    I’m atp where I’m years since my last graded slab. Only have eight total. I purchase raw only, even if it’s not a 10, the 9 & 10 market is still way overinflated. Can’t believe people still fall for it in 2024

  • @mattmortier8201
    @mattmortier8201 Месяц назад

    They have been very hard lately. I got a 7 on a card, cracked it out and nothing was wrong with the card.

  • @johnphipps3287
    @johnphipps3287 Месяц назад

    What's going on with these terrible signatures? Are signatures graded for their quality?

  • @Hoochly
    @Hoochly Месяц назад

    LoL, pack fresh, mint cards with sharp corners getting an 8 is absolutely wild. Why do we continue to do this?

  • @msharris1598
    @msharris1598 Месяц назад

    Even CJs game worn stuff I have is streaky

  • @christopherticknor7759
    @christopherticknor7759 Месяц назад

    If you dont get the dual grade the lowest score will drag your grade lower, say Autograph is an 8 and card 9, will be an 8.

  • @sfcraiger
    @sfcraiger Месяц назад

    Thank you come again

  • @OJ_Pimpson
    @OJ_Pimpson Месяц назад

    Me too. Had a ten card order. Didn’t get a 10.

  • @ortegacameron21
    @ortegacameron21 Месяц назад

    It's a crap shoot. I just got a return of 26 submitted and 20 were 10s. I was going into it expecting more 9s

  • @NEWTSNITCH
    @NEWTSNITCH 16 дней назад

    First cards are Jackson not Jason…

  • @mickraker1342
    @mickraker1342 28 дней назад

    PSA is sad these days, they're trying to keep the values of their graded highend cards artificially up and it's completely unfair to current subbitters. We need AI grading and explanations on why any given card got knocked down from a 10. PSA is corrupt as can be while people are investing large sums of money into collections and getting screwed over. Shame on them!

  • @His.Wickedness
    @His.Wickedness Месяц назад

    There is just no consistency with PSA and it's so frustrating. I've subbed then cracked and re-subbed about a dozen cards that have received anywhere from 1 to 4 grade difference. It's just ridiculous that the market leader has such brutal quality control when it comes to their graders. I refuse to accept grades I know are not accurate but it's also still the most cost effective when you consider the resale value. I hope PSA fixes this issue because it's out of control

  • @MasterShake300
    @MasterShake300 Месяц назад

    One of the pro tips I've heard from an actual grader, never send multiples of the same card because one will always look better than the other one. Mentally that will give the grader an excuse to give a lower grade for at least one of them.

    • @jeffschwantes1930
      @jeffschwantes1930 Месяц назад +1

      When I send multiples I've had really good luck with putting the worse condition one first. If they give the first copy a 10 then they will almost have to give the second a 10 also.

    • @jimbobrobertson3285
      @jimbobrobertson3285 Месяц назад +1

      I agree with you! Especially, with modern, of course.

    • @nick3.14
      @nick3.14 Месяц назад +1

      @MasterShake300 definitely agree with the logic, tho it can be done. I have hit all tens on 2 groups of 3 wembys. Then again the centering was millimeter difference so might not apply

    • @MasterShake300
      @MasterShake300 Месяц назад

      @@brentpearson298 Here is the Title of the video of the grader who was interviewed who mentioned this. "An Ex-Beckett Grader RETURNS With MORE Advice & Stories"

  • @msharris1598
    @msharris1598 Месяц назад

    As a longtime follower I need that Jaison 9

  • @domonickdavis8589
    @domonickdavis8589 Месяц назад

    I just saw my reveal sooo many 8s wow!!!

  • @25hockeyguy25
    @25hockeyguy25 Месяц назад

    Get yourself a bottle of soft grain clear coat buffer that’s used vehicles and use it on the cards.

  • @crankycardguy1369
    @crankycardguy1369 Месяц назад

    Almost positive they turned back on the AI grading

  • @UnionWireman292
    @UnionWireman292 Месяц назад

    Makes me second guess even submitting to PSA again...

  • @moregunzthanroses281
    @moregunzthanroses281 Месяц назад

    PSA is a joke. I’ve resubmitted at least 6 cards in the past that jumped 2 grades (7 to 9) and (8 to 10). It just doesn’t make sense. Any card that jumps up 2 grades a grader should be sat down and spoken to by a supervisor. Just can’t grade cards without any accountability. Maybe even both graders need to be spoken to at the same time but something needs to be done.

  • @kennyg8529
    @kennyg8529 Месяц назад

    I killed my last order

  • @Phandephilly
    @Phandephilly Месяц назад

    Tough Grader

  • @toddbartels2866
    @toddbartels2866 Месяц назад

    I don't know why more people just stop using PSA? Give your business to a more consistent grader. The card grading industry would be better off if PSA would just go out of business!!!!!!!

  • @fazejmo1953
    @fazejmo1953 Месяц назад

    Wow, sorry NEO. Did you forget to sub this on the secret influencer PSA site?

  • @mattmortier8201
    @mattmortier8201 Месяц назад

    I commented before you spoke about it

  • @ohiosportscards5697
    @ohiosportscards5697 Месяц назад

    If every submitter got 10's then they wouldnt be worth much. Why does everyone expect 10's? I personally rather buy a lower priced 9 than a 10 but i'm more of a collector. If I can sell cards then great but if not, PC......

  • @jrgeb99
    @jrgeb99 Месяц назад +1

    This looks almost like my last order. 5 psa 10’s, 9 psa 9’s and 1 psa 8. I had more 9’s but way less 10’s. This actually makes me think I’m not going renew my psa membership,

  • @warhammerfaction
    @warhammerfaction Месяц назад +1

    Kurt’s has been producing for me well. If your aren’t selling them and their pc use Kurt’s

  • @RELGARAX
    @RELGARAX Месяц назад

    Card Grading Is A Scam.....

  • @MrJSpicoli
    @MrJSpicoli Месяц назад

    It's getting worse

  • @floridamaddogg
    @floridamaddogg Месяц назад

    I'm assuming your trying to sell most these cards, but always get the auto and card graded together. Looks so much better! And a 10 on an auto will save a bad card grade. I'm at the point I don't even consider getting auto cards unless I see an auto grade. I understand it takes much longer and a few more bucks, but the extra effort goes a long ways. But if you are just looking to turn around and sell immediately, getting card graded only is fine. If PC card, you must get both graded 😂

  • @alphaomega9563
    @alphaomega9563 Месяц назад

    psa is rigged for insiders like nat turner and friends to give each other gems. Send in those same cards you get different grades ive stop sending in stuff

  • @nickywaggs8672
    @nickywaggs8672 Месяц назад

    Patrick Mahomes cards have a lot baked in and are over priced.

  • @FirstDueCards
    @FirstDueCards Месяц назад

    1st

  • @hsk
    @hsk Месяц назад +1

    let me in now, let me in now, bill gates donald trump let me in now