What I love about Scudder is that despite his relative social disadvantages, he's the first to offer genuine help in the relationship when he points out that Maurice has been taught things that aren't true.
No one seems to remember that Mourice wasn't high class to begin with he was from a middle class family and was going to college in a scholarship he worked his way up because if his profession this is one of the reasons he was so shy at first and willing to take whatever Clive gave him in the relationship he didn't Know he could have and deserved better he thought Clive was the only person who could ever love him
@@tambygreen9354 Maurice wasn't in a scholarship. In fact, the book emphasizes that Maurice came from mediocrity and languished in mediocrity before Clive. That he was, in Forster's own words, "mentally torpid" and it was Clive who challenged him to be more. Forster said it himself that if "Maurice was suburbia, Clive was Cambridge". The book isn't just about love but is also a searing criticism of Edwardian class divide. Out of the 3, Clive's religious upbringing (this is so much more emphasized in the book than in the movie) and upper class status meant that he felt the weight to succumb to societal pressures much more than Maurice who is middle class but wealthy or Scudder who is lower class. In the book, its love at first sight but neither realizes it. Clive blushes when he looks up to see Maurice at Risely's door and Maurice couldnt understand why his heart was beating rapidly when he spoke to Clive during their first meeting. I do believe Clive and Maurice were soulmates... in every sense of the word. Forster wrote: "He [Clive] educated Maurice, or rather his spirit educated Maurice's spirit, for they themselves became equal. Neither thought "Am I led; am I leading?" Love had caught him out of triviality and Maurice out of bewilderment in order that two imperfect souls might touch perfection." "If Maurice made love it was Clive who preserved it, and caused its rivers to water the garden." Forster needed a plot device to break them and so wrote that Clive essentially turned straight and stopped loving Maurice. But no one who ever reads the book believes it and Forster himself doesnt seem convinced (which James Ivory and Kit Hasketh-Harvey both noted in the documentary) and so the screenwriters added Risely's arrest as the catalyst for Clive's change of heart. But read the book and you'll realize that society, religion, and the cruelty of people planted the seeds of self hatred in Clive's heart and broke them apart. While Maurice grew in strength in his love for Clive and resolute to save Clive from his muddle, Clive went deeper into repression. He effectively convinced himself that marriage was true happiness and is even evangelical about it. And ironically in the end, it was the Clive from two years ago (the Clive of rebellion) that inspired Maurice and gave him the voice to break away from the Clive of respectability i.e. repressed Clive (this is explicitly mentioned in the book). The realization of love and regret comes too late for Clive. And till Clive's last days he agonizes over the night when Maurice was lost to him--never knowing the moment of departure. Always reminded of that lost love. "The Blue Room would glimmer, ferns undulate. Out of some external Cambridge" Maurice would beckon to him clothed in the sun as Clive lives with deep regret. Forster was adamant that the book should end happily even when he himself didn't think it possible at that time of writing. He took inspiration for Maurice and Scudder from Edward Carpenter and George Merrill who were together for 40 yrs but kept the model for Clive mysterious. Many believe that Clive was modeled after Forster's first great love. A fellow Cambridge student named Hugh Owen Meredith, more known by his initials as H.O.M. Forster was said to be deeply in love with him. "HOM's brains, beauty and grace were intoxicating to Morgan." (Proff. Wendy Moffat, A Great Unrecorded History: A New Life of EM Forster). Forster also modeled George Emerson and dedicated A Room With A View to HOM. Meredith would eventually marry. Both men kept silent on the details of that affair and Moffat suggests that the only record of it is Clive Durham. Nearly every book Forster wrote there is a character modeled after HOM.
@@rumblefish9 The film strengthens the credibility of Clive's "going straight" by the invention of Risley's arrest and sentencing. Ruth Prawer Jhabvala, Merchant Ivory's usual screenwriter, had declined to adapt "Maurice," which she felt was not a top-notch work -- Kit Hesketh-Harvey took on the challenge -- but she made at least one crucial contribution to the project: according to James Ivory, it was she who suggested linking the Risley incident with Clive's decision to give in to social conformity and get married.
I remember seeing this film on initial release at the (then) ABC Shaftesbury Ave. It was at the height of the AIDS crisis and I could hear several men weeping in the audience around me. Never forgot it...
Funny how no one ever says this about women, but women will readily say this about men -- even while those same women will run to get plastic surgery done for their wrinkles :/
Whoever was in charge on Hair and Style in this film deserves recognition. Alec Scudder (Rupert Graves) with messy wavy/curly hair look was an excellent choice. (Please watch other films where Rupert stars with his natural straight hair and you’ll see what I mean)
Yesss, so true! I thought he was curly naturally!! And also Maurice and Clive’s hair is amazing too especially in the first half of the movie in uni days before the moustache era lol
Rupert Grave's portrayal of Scudder was just brilliant. Came from the so called "lower classes", but was very confident in luring Maurice in, which I found extremely sexy. One of the very few gay themed films to end happily. I remember when watching it for the first time in the cinema, walked out ten feet tall, brilliant. Rupert is beautiful.
Rupert was and remains breathtaking. But I also think this is such an underappreciated performance. I usually struggle with romance in films, because actors can't always convince me of a bond or an attraction...its usually so clearly fake. Rupert convinces me. And that kiss at the end when Maurice sort of lifts him up....its one of my favourite moments in film. Its just beautiful and they play it so well that I can physically feel it in my chest every time I watch.
Scudder was very brave he liked Mourice a great deal and saw how much he was hurting and decided to show him he deserved better despite that if Mourice had refused his advance Scudder could have went to prison
Maybe this is just me, but I LOVE the notion of the two young actors meeting over lunch for the purpose of discussing how they ought to go about kissing each other in the film. Especially considering they'd only known each other for like four days by that point. There's just something so, so sweet and virginal and adorable about it
I fell in love with Scudder. And I still am in love with Scudder. Film can be so treacherously enchanting. I have fallen victim to an enchantment, a spell, that I can never really live and never really free myself from. It is almost like Keats's "La Belle Dame sans Merci."
@@thomasthompson6378 Another James Ivory masterpiece! Even if he did not direct it, his influence in it was so amazing. And he finally got the Oscar for his screenplay!
@@thomasthompson6378 This was highly recommended by a good friend of mine, but I wasn't as impressed with it as I was with God's Own Country, which came out at the same time, and Weekend, which was some years before.
I have seen many gay films and to say honestly, this movie was incredibly presented. I am straight and I really enjoyed the character's intimate interaction, it does not feel different to me. I have seen "Call Me by Your Name", "Broke Back Mountain", etc but, this movie still at the top in my list. There is something magical about this movie. I feel envy to those who could see this movie in Theatre, though, I was not born at the time😂.
He mentions that Alec has an “earthiness” to him that is attractive to Maurice. I agree with that, even down to the fact that he looks so much better in his regular working clothes with a bit of dirt in his face, than he does in a blue suit with slicked hair when he goes to find Maurice at work.
This movie gave me my life! Rupert Graves was so beautiful in the film. Not just in appearance, but in body language and in character. Phenomenal classic movie that is still timeless today in my mind’s eye!
It also helps that Scudder seemed really sure of himself compared to Clive, who refused to give physical affection to Maurice even in the beginning of their relationship. It seemed only inevitable that they'd break up (at least to me), but with confident and passionate Scudder, Maurice can feel more sure of their relationship.
@@araw_buwan the film omits quite a lot including the two years were Maurice and Clive were very happy as a couple and they even traveled together to Italy. They were equal in every sense of the word. It starts out as love at first sight between the two when they see each other at Risely's room but neither realizes it. They were sweet and romantic in the book. Clive wrote poetry to Maurice and Maurice would keep his letters always in his pockets. When Clive sees Maurice off in the train station, he completely breaks down thinking they would no longer see each other at Cambridge. When Maurice sleeps with Scudder, he even regrets that he lost his innocence to him and not Clive and regrets that he didnt possess Clive in a moment of passion. Clive, because of his religious upbringing and upper class background (Maurice is middle class and Scudder is lower class) is the most conflicted and feels the most weight to succumb to the pressures of society. The book is also a criticism on Edwardian class divide. Thats the tragedy here. Clive, despite being upper class, had very little choice or decision to live his life. Clive and Maurice had a great love and you could even say that they were soulmates but a narrowminded society and religion planted the seeds of self hatred in Clive that broke them apart. While Maurice grew in strength in his love for Clive and resolute to save Clive from his muddle, Clive went deeper into repression. But in the end Clive does realize that he does still love Maurice and always did. He agonizes and relives the night Maurice is lost to him until his very last days. Clive clings to memories, places and things that reminded him of Maurice. "The Blue Room would glimmer, ferns undulate. Out of some external Cambridge his friend beckoning to him, clothed in the sun and shaking out the scents and sounds of the May term."
It was and wasn’t. A Room With A View was undoubtedly his breakthrough, but he’d been a teenage TV actor before that and appeared in West End theatre before ARWAV or Maurice came out. His arguable first film (for Channel 4) was Tony Palmer’s Puccini, but his performances as Freddy and then Alec are a huge step-change from that. He was and is astonishing.
wow. i’ve watched this movie yesterday and i can’t stop thinking about it and i know it’ll take me a while to get over it (i genuinely don’t have any plans to get over it) i’m literally so obsessed with alec scudder i could write an entire essay on how he’s the star of the movie. a very well written character who had only appeared for a few times but had the greatest impact on maurice’s life. i’m just enchanted by his bravery to be a real lover and to give love to maurice. alec knew about maurice and clive and obvs how things ended between them so it became his mission to give maurice what he has never experienced before and that is being loved with no boundaries, with no fear!! a movie that has left a huge mark in my heart and that i will cherish forever. 35 years later, thank you for everyone who took part in the creation of this timeless masterpiece!!
@@hehe5514 same here 😂😅 okay but what helped quite a bit was reading the original story by E.M. Forster (it's available as pdf online) to get a grasp of the development of their emotional relationship.. it's not just internalized homophobia that divided them but the love just slowly grew cold... Something that happens all the time, also between people who aren't oppressed by society. The slow process of falling out of love is quite good described and comprehensible in the book. And in the end, it's a bit less dramatic than it felt in the movie.
@@hehe5514 And, as you wrote in your previous comment, Alec ist the absolute hero ♥️ he's charming, brave and sticks to his guns. He redeems Maurice from his prior lovesickness and his felt lack of reason. What a great ending.
Could you let me know if you are okay now? Because it's my turn . I finished the novel yesterday and till now, do not have any plan to get over the story of Maurice
I Watched Maurice when it was first released and was deeply affected by it for weeks (maybe more). It was almost a curse. Just the other day, whatever prompted me, I watched after these many years and came away even more enchanted. Back in 1987, it was such a different world and I think the film was so hopeful during a dreadful time. Today, I'm grateful I saw it then and I'm happy to find I am still so moved.
I read the book that very year, as a fifteen-year old girl, and it was the first love story that had ever affected me so deeply and I did cry tears of happiness at the end, felt so elated by it! Tragically, I had no idea that a movie was released or had been released based on the book right about then so it wasn't until around 2010 that I saw the film right here on RUclips for the first time. Nothing will beat reading the original story for the first time back in 1987, but I love the movie as well =)
Cannot believe he had no training. Rupert is amazingly natural onscreen. He was incredible in ARWAV. He gave that film energy and humor. I love him in Sherlock. He's great in everything!
Scudder was a beautiful passionate creature. This movie is a classic. Brilliantly done, and nuanced. I don't know if they could pull off a movie like this today.
James: "we kept coming back to it, then sort of *pained noise* going off onto some other topic" Rupert: "it was a long and frank discussion of sexuality" lmao so which is it
I found out later that all three actors (Hugh Grant, James Wilby and Rupert Graves) were straight in real life. To me, that makes all three, brilliant actors. They had me fooled. I applaud them. Another British actor I loved and admired was James Fox (king rat), now a minister.
I had such crushes on him and Julian Sands after seeing A Room with a View. The scene at the swimming hole was wonderful! How charming and silly the three men are as they have a water fight and then chase each other around the little pond. Then, of course, Daniel Day Lewis' reaction as his foppish character - what a movie! I have been watching everything I can find from Britain ever since. Thank you, Merchant Ivory!
Having at the time auditioned for all three of the male roles,Rupert was utterly perfect - as were the others - in the ,effectively, most important part of the film. He wasn't just handsome, he was truly sexual, which was he characters defining feature. The book written in 1913/4 was based on the true 40 year relationship between Edward Carpenter & George Merrill,whom Forster visited; to see a man, a n early Gay Rights Activist & his working class lover together,lit a fire in Forster, "Maurice" might not have been published till 1971 a year after his death,is sad as his story with a happy ending changed the climate of visible Gay relationships forever & I wish he could have shared in the joy & freedom it brought to so many. I first read the book at 13 & have tried to ensure I re-read it every few years the film I've seen only a handful of times & it beautifully done as we're all their projects,but,it butchers the book,which has not only exposition, but some awesome inner monologues. Maybe it's time for a TV series remake,just so the present generation - particularly on TikTok - understand the real true & lasting love story is between Maurice & Alec,not the coward Clive,who never has sex with Maurice, leaving his consistently confused & deeply unhappy.
the magic if , was me when I was younger "I'm not gay but if I was" no younger me you are , sorry this made me think of it . Amazing film thou , same with room with a view
Rupert Graves does this thing with his lips that is just...luscious! It's sexy as hell. He even does it when he is being interviewed in this clip. He kind of bites his lower lip in this cute, drive-me-wild way.
... Mr. Graves' genuinely extraordinary performance embodied the paradoxically casually-yet-searing dramatic balance, and tension, of an innocent, angelic satyr. *Dazzling.*
@LagiNaLangAko23 yeah, I personally am not a huge fan of manga in general (nothing wrong with it, I just don't like graphic novels in general). But I used to be a little "fujoshi", and now I understand how gross it is. I like the fluff, because it's like any other romance story, straight or gay, but when it's made for straight people, then there's a problem. It's like straight guys liking lesbian porn but then not respecting lesbians.
@@rnr45s I'm not completely certain but I did read somewhere that the fetishization of gay men in yaoi is actually relatively recent so back in the 80s it was probably a lot less concerning
@@rnr45s I think that as long as we recognize and respect the line between fiction and reality, it's okay to read or watch whatever makes us happy. I went through a fujoshi phase myself not too long ago, but it hasn't affected my outlook on the men around me at all, and it in fact *has* taught me a great deal about representation of minorities in fiction and about stories in general. I'm a different reader now than I had been prior to my fujoshi phase, and I'd like to think I'm a better one, too.
That is hysterical because I was sitting at the PC looking at him thinking I've seen this guy before and where. Now that you nailed it. Yes indeed...Tom Daley!
Everyone here is noting the many layered aspects and perspectives of this film whilst.. well all I can really think about right now is how much more attractive Rupert’s voice makes him.
DI Moosification Reading it right now and it's absolutely beautiful! It was difficult to find but I found it in a gay bookshop in the UK. I usually don't like old English writing but this book wasn't too hard to follow and was just so beautifully written it's becoming one of my favorite books of all time
I remember having seen 3 times this beautiful movie in Paris '87. All my friends were talking about it and espcially about this Scudder so hot so sexy and so naked. We were all in love with him. Since I've been trying to follow Grave's work.
If there's one thing that you learn in acting. It is that you don't apologize regarding your own performance. If you're not happy with what you did, basically keep it to yourself. But to go on and on and say, "well I don't know about films, and I was young". I didn't know this, and I didn't know that. No, you don't do that.
In case the channel owner still checks comments ~ please correct the author's name!! "Maurice" was written by E.M. (not E.R.) Forster. Otherwise, thank you for uploading this video. It is delightful.
@@alixena9340 ~ no worries at all! It happens. Thank you again, so very much, for uploading this! What a treat. "Maurice" is one of my all-time favorite films and no-one could have played Scudder any better than Rupert Graves.
I’m surprised he got letters from Japanese women back then. I didn’t know yaoi/BL was such a thing in the 80s, it was like time traveling whiplash when I heard that.
James ivory himself said that he had an idea for a sequel in mind: Clive died, probably deservingly, and Alec and Maurice went into WWI separated but reunited after
Forster (the author of the novel) spoke about it, and also wrote an epilogue that he then scrapped. They run away together and live a long and happy life “without class or status”. They’re based on a couple who were friends of Forsters and together for over 30 years.
As well as James Ivory’s thoughts, during his lifetime (i.e. during the period when Maurice was privately circulated but unpublished) Forster exchanged letters with his friend Christopher Isherwood in which they both speculated on Maurice and Alec’s future together. By 1933, Forster wrote: ‘I think what might happen is a permanent relationship, but with all sorts of vagaries, fears, illnesses, distractions, fraying out at its edges, and this would take a long time to represent. One might shorten it, perhaps, if one made them take a vow, and Maurice could take it, but I doubt about Alec, as about myself.’ (By this date, Forster had gained sexual experience; met the love of his later life, policeman Bob Buckingham; but also begun to experience the complications of his triangular relationship with Bob and Bob’s extraordinary wife May.)
I loved this movie as well. I was 28 when this came out and Rupert Graves was just too hot!!! One of things I thought about after seeing the movie was that this takes place in the early 1910s and even though Maurice and Alec end up together -- it's right near the start of WWI. What would their fates be with that catastrophe to deal with?
Do you have an entire Word document of these rants wilfully misunderstanding - frankly, insultingly - Forster’s work that you’ve been copy and pasting on every Maurice video I’ve watched, or do you have them memorised? Alec was not a flat character - in Forster’s words, he was “everything”. I get that for some inexplicable reason you love Clive, but your “analysis”, presented as fact, is based on a wilful misinterpretation of the novel and, thankfully, Forster disagreed with you. Your insistence that Clive was his true “soulmate”, that the love with Alec wasn’t real, is insulting to everything that Forster was trying to present and say. You’re presenting fanfiction as fact.
I really did not like Scudder at all. He seemed like an arrogant, entitled brat who pushed himself into Maurice, to the point that Maurice liked him. I feel so awful for Clive, even if it’s at his own fault. Maurice and Scudder get to live happily but Clive has to live a lie. Idk maybe I’m just interpreting it wrong- but I didn’t like the ending.
The ending of the film is really bittersweet, isn't it? That last scene where Clive is looking out the window as Maurice waves to him as he goes off to his new life... Clive is still trapped, but Maurice is free. And yes, if you sympathise with Clive, it's a bleak ending. But personally, I sympathise with Maurice, and so I'm so happy he gets to go off with Scudder.
Michael Gask I see where you’re coming from, and I understand that it’s Clive’s own fault but it’s really tragic to me. I’m happy Maurice was happy but I don’t like Scudder because, as I said before, it seemed as if he pushed himself onto Maurice.
@@harrystylussy144 Yeah, I agree, that last shot of Clive looking out the window, realising that he's trapped, is heartbreaking, isn't it? I'm also not totally convinced that Alec and Maurice are likely to last long term. But the important thing is that Forster thought so... there's the strange epilogue where Maurice's sister comes across them in the wood and they are living happily on their own terms. That's good enough for me. :)
Michael Gask oh my lord, this is so irrelevant to the conversation, but I need to get this out to someone else- I think I enjoyed the movie better than the novel, which rarely happens with me, because at least towards the very end of the movie there could be a hope for the pair to meet again in their future, without any further implications of full abandonment from the relationship, but in the novel, in the last paragraph it says that they’d never see each other again, which is truly, in my opinion, the most tragic, heartbreaking part of the entire story
@@harrystylussy144 Oh no! You're right... that is indeed heartbreaking. But it was indeed dedicated to "a happier time" and sadly, that happier time took a long while to come about
Graves is a competent actor, but in the crucial scene wherein he threatens Maurice with blackmail, he is too cuddly throughout to be believable. The casting should have favoured someone more "rough trade" than he was. It's a fatal flaw in the film.
Graves is far more than just competent. He wasn't sincere about the blackmail. I think that's why Rupert works so well...because he's able to show that vulnerability. I think he's perfect based on the book. And no one has ever made me feel a love story the way these two do at the end.
The point was that he wasn't serious about the blackmail he was brokenhearted he loved Mourice and the fact that he is so beautiful and sweet only makes him more desirable
As the others have said, in the book Alec wasn’t serious about the blackmail and didn’t want to hurt Maurice-he just didn’t want to be ignored. They spend much of their time in the museum walking around and joking with one another.
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Clive's (Hugh Grant's) reaction to Maurice's so-called feelings about Scudder - "What a grotesque announcement". But at least seeing this video clip makes Scudder somehow a little less repulsive.
What I love about Scudder is that despite his relative social disadvantages, he's the first to offer genuine help in the relationship when he points out that Maurice has been taught things that aren't true.
No one seems to remember that Mourice wasn't high class to begin with he was from a middle class family and was going to college in a scholarship he worked his way up because if his profession this is one of the reasons he was so shy at first and willing to take whatever Clive gave him in the relationship he didn't Know he could have and deserved better he thought Clive was the only person who could ever love him
@@tambygreen9354 Maurice wasn't in a scholarship. In fact, the book emphasizes that Maurice came from mediocrity and languished in mediocrity before Clive. That he was, in Forster's own words, "mentally torpid" and it was Clive who challenged him to be more. Forster said it himself that if "Maurice was suburbia, Clive was Cambridge".
The book isn't just about love but is also a searing criticism of Edwardian class divide. Out of the 3, Clive's religious upbringing (this is so much more emphasized in the book than in the movie) and upper class status meant that he felt the weight to succumb to societal pressures much more than Maurice who is middle class but wealthy or Scudder who is lower class.
In the book, its love at first sight but neither realizes it. Clive blushes when he looks up to see Maurice at Risely's door and Maurice couldnt understand why his heart was beating rapidly when he spoke to Clive during their first meeting.
I do believe Clive and Maurice were soulmates... in every sense of the word. Forster wrote: "He [Clive] educated Maurice, or rather his spirit educated Maurice's spirit, for they themselves became equal. Neither thought "Am I led; am I leading?" Love had caught him out of triviality and Maurice out of bewilderment in order that two imperfect souls might touch perfection." "If Maurice made love it was Clive who preserved it, and caused its rivers to water the garden."
Forster needed a plot device to break them and so wrote that Clive essentially turned straight and stopped loving Maurice. But no one who ever reads the book believes it and Forster himself doesnt seem convinced (which James Ivory and Kit Hasketh-Harvey both noted in the documentary) and so the screenwriters added Risely's arrest as the catalyst for Clive's change of heart. But read the book and you'll realize that society, religion, and the cruelty of people planted the seeds of self hatred in Clive's heart and broke them apart. While Maurice grew in strength in his love for Clive and resolute to save Clive from his muddle, Clive went deeper into repression. He effectively convinced himself that marriage was true happiness and is even evangelical about it. And ironically in the end, it was the Clive from two years ago (the Clive of rebellion) that inspired Maurice and gave him the voice to break away from the Clive of respectability i.e. repressed Clive (this is explicitly mentioned in the book).
The realization of love and regret comes too late for Clive. And till Clive's last days he agonizes over the night when Maurice was lost to him--never knowing the moment of departure. Always reminded of that lost love. "The Blue Room would glimmer, ferns undulate. Out of some external Cambridge" Maurice would beckon to him clothed in the sun as Clive lives with deep regret.
Forster was adamant that the book should end happily even when he himself didn't think it possible at that time of writing. He took inspiration for Maurice and Scudder from Edward Carpenter and George Merrill who were together for 40 yrs but kept the model for Clive mysterious. Many believe that Clive was modeled after Forster's first great love. A fellow Cambridge student named Hugh Owen Meredith, more known by his initials as H.O.M. Forster was said to be deeply in love with him. "HOM's brains, beauty and grace were intoxicating to Morgan." (Proff. Wendy Moffat, A Great Unrecorded History: A New Life of EM Forster). Forster also modeled George Emerson and dedicated A Room With A View to HOM. Meredith would eventually marry. Both men kept silent on the details of that affair and Moffat suggests that the only record of it is Clive Durham. Nearly every book Forster wrote there is a character modeled after HOM.
@@rumblefish9 thank you for the explanation. This is really eye-opening.
@@rumblefish9 Scudder's class was as far from Maurice's as Maurice's was from Clive's.
@@rumblefish9 The film strengthens the credibility of Clive's "going straight" by the invention of Risley's arrest and sentencing. Ruth Prawer Jhabvala, Merchant Ivory's usual screenwriter, had declined to adapt "Maurice," which she felt was not a top-notch work -- Kit Hesketh-Harvey took on the challenge -- but she made at least one crucial contribution to the project: according to James Ivory, it was she who suggested linking the Risley incident with Clive's decision to give in to social conformity and get married.
I remember seeing this film on initial release at the (then) ABC Shaftesbury Ave. It was at the height of the AIDS crisis and I could hear several men weeping in the audience around me. Never forgot it...
Oh my gosh... this comment made me start crying. ❤
Wow😟😟😟
Thats so sad...
It’s such a beautiful & meaningful film...I just saw it.
That’s heart breaking. Those poor men.
Oh my heart... Bless our comrades who we lost to AIDS. :(
Goodness me, has the man ever aged well. He's like a fine wine!
God he looks so sexy with 25 years more!
Funny how no one ever says this about women, but women will readily say this about men -- even while those same women will run to get plastic surgery done for their wrinkles :/
@@loljustice31 I know this is a year old comment, but many people say the same thing about Marilyn Monroe.
Totally agree with you. What a handsome man! Loved this film ❤
Right?? What a handsome guy!
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Whoever was in charge on Hair and Style in this film deserves recognition. Alec Scudder (Rupert Graves) with messy wavy/curly hair look was an excellent choice. (Please watch other films where Rupert stars with his natural straight hair and you’ll see what I mean)
Yesss, so true! I thought he was curly naturally!! And also Maurice and Clive’s hair is amazing too especially in the first half of the movie in uni days before the moustache era lol
Very true
what a handsome man! he still looks stunning in Sherlock.
The man has certainly aged well!
Indeed
Kitty Grimm Hugh grant look better
Rupert Grave's portrayal of Scudder was just brilliant. Came from the so called "lower classes", but was very confident in luring Maurice in, which I found extremely sexy. One of the very few gay themed films to end happily. I remember when watching it for the first time in the cinema, walked out ten feet tall, brilliant. Rupert is beautiful.
Rupert was and remains breathtaking. But I also think this is such an underappreciated performance. I usually struggle with romance in films, because actors can't always convince me of a bond or an attraction...its usually so clearly fake. Rupert convinces me. And that kiss at the end when Maurice sort of lifts him up....its one of my favourite moments in film. Its just beautiful and they play it so well that I can physically feel it in my chest every time I watch.
@@arineemickle Agree, very well said Ariel. Appreciate your thoughts!
Scudder was very brave he liked Mourice a great deal and saw how much he was hurting and decided to show him he deserved better despite that if Mourice had refused his advance Scudder could have went to prison
The thing about Scudder was his vulnerability.
LagiNaLangAko23 how old is he ?
@@feedswagpeppa3976 The character is probably the same age as Maurice.
rnr45s Alicia wait this been so long idk what I was asking 😪😂
@@feedswagpeppa3976 how old scudder is... and wow i didn't even notice, your comment is 2 months old.
rnr45s Alicia lol but thxs for answering :D
Maybe this is just me, but I LOVE the notion of the two young actors meeting over lunch for the purpose of discussing how they ought to go about kissing each other in the film. Especially considering they'd only known each other for like four days by that point. There's just something so, so sweet and virginal and adorable about it
And not just kissing, as Rupert says here. :)
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I fell in love with Scudder. And I still am in love with Scudder. Film can be so treacherously enchanting. I have fallen victim to an enchantment, a spell, that I can never really live and never really free myself from. It is almost like Keats's "La Belle Dame sans Merci."
Have you yet seen "Call Me By Your Name?" I'd be interested in your review of it.
@@thomasthompson6378 Another James Ivory masterpiece! Even if he did not direct it, his influence in it was so amazing. And he finally got the Oscar for his screenplay!
I love this movie so much. I watched it repeatedly for the whole day. No joke.
@@thomasthompson6378 This was highly recommended by a good friend of mine, but I wasn't as impressed with it as I was with God's Own Country, which came out at the same time, and Weekend, which was some years before.
I have seen many gay films and to say honestly, this movie was incredibly presented. I am straight and I really enjoyed the character's intimate interaction, it does not feel different to me. I have seen "Call Me by Your Name", "Broke Back Mountain", etc but, this movie still at the top in my list. There is something magical about this movie. I feel envy to those who could see this movie in Theatre, though, I was not born at the time😂.
He mentions that Alec has an “earthiness” to him that is attractive to Maurice. I agree with that, even down to the fact that he looks so much better in his regular working clothes with a bit of dirt in his face, than he does in a blue suit with slicked hair when he goes to find Maurice at work.
Oh, Mr. Graves, how I fell in love with your character. Thank you for playing this role. You helped more of us than you'll ever know, by doing so.
so true.
"I think they liked 3 pretty boys running around" - says Rupert at the end 😍🥰😍
What's not to like, eh?
The reason Maurice is attracted to Alec is ... because he's gorgeous?? He's probably too good-looking in the film to be honest.
Why so?
do you know what you're talking about?! i think the good looking one was hugh grant but whatsoever
Vivien Pollreisz ikr
@LagiNaLangAko23 I think the 3 main characters were cute
What are you talking about? Did you actually read the book? Scudder is beautiful in Forster's book.
what surpriesing me is,despite how intelligent the interview is,even the comments are so thoughtful and everybody talks things in a serious way.
he will NEVER be anything other than absolutely GORGEOUS!
This movie gave me my life!
Rupert Graves was so beautiful in the film. Not just in appearance, but in body language and in character.
Phenomenal classic movie that is still timeless today in my mind’s eye!
I feel like with Scudder Maurice feels wanted.
Maurice was putting in all of the work and going after Clive but this time it was Scudder doing that
It also helps that Scudder seemed really sure of himself compared to Clive, who refused to give physical affection to Maurice even in the beginning of their relationship. It seemed only inevitable that they'd break up (at least to me), but with confident and passionate Scudder, Maurice can feel more sure of their relationship.
@@araw_buwan the film omits quite a lot including the two years were Maurice and Clive were very happy as a couple and they even traveled together to Italy. They were equal in every sense of the word. It starts out as love at first sight between the two when they see each other at Risely's room but neither realizes it. They were sweet and romantic in the book. Clive wrote poetry to Maurice and Maurice would keep his letters always in his pockets. When Clive sees Maurice off in the train station, he completely breaks down thinking they would no longer see each other at Cambridge. When Maurice sleeps with Scudder, he even regrets that he lost his innocence to him and not Clive and regrets that he didnt possess Clive in a moment of passion. Clive, because of his religious upbringing and upper class background (Maurice is middle class and Scudder is lower class) is the most conflicted and feels the most weight to succumb to the pressures of society. The book is also a criticism on Edwardian class divide. Thats the tragedy here. Clive, despite being upper class, had very little choice or decision to live his life. Clive and Maurice had a great love and you could even say that they were soulmates but a narrowminded society and religion planted the seeds of self hatred in Clive that broke them apart. While Maurice grew in strength in his love for Clive and resolute to save Clive from his muddle, Clive went deeper into repression. But in the end Clive does realize that he does still love Maurice and always did. He agonizes and relives the night Maurice is lost to him until his very last days. Clive clings to memories, places and things that reminded him of Maurice. "The Blue Room would glimmer, ferns undulate. Out of some external Cambridge his friend beckoning to him, clothed in the sun and shaking out the scents and sounds of the May term."
You could see the anguish in Mourice when he begs Alec to stay with him and Alec said he couldn't. It was a look that said no one wants me
@@rumblefish9 "some eternal Cambridge", not "external Cambridge"
@@rumblefish9 okay but in those years did Clive actually give Maurice what he wanted-intimacy and physical love?
What a charming and intelligent interview.
mike mcgonigle True
This guy had a lot of natural talent! I had no idea Maurice was only his second film.
It was and wasn’t. A Room With A View was undoubtedly his breakthrough, but he’d been a teenage TV actor before that and appeared in West End theatre before ARWAV or Maurice came out. His arguable first film (for Channel 4) was Tony Palmer’s Puccini, but his performances as Freddy and then Alec are a huge step-change from that. He was and is astonishing.
I'll never look at Lestrade the same way again.
This comment right here was what I was looking for.
This was the thought I didnt know existed in my brain as well.
xD
same here
wow. i’ve watched this movie yesterday and i can’t stop thinking about it and i know it’ll take me a while to get over it (i genuinely don’t have any plans to get over it)
i’m literally so obsessed with alec scudder i could write an entire essay on how he’s the star of the movie. a very well written character who had only appeared for a few times but had the greatest impact on maurice’s life. i’m just enchanted by his bravery to be a real lover and to give love to maurice. alec knew about maurice and clive and obvs how things ended between them so it became his mission to give maurice what he has never experienced before and that is being loved with no boundaries, with no fear!!
a movie that has left a huge mark in my heart and that i will cherish forever. 35 years later, thank you for everyone who took part in the creation of this timeless masterpiece!!
Are you over it? Still trying to recover for 2 weeks now ❤️🩹
@@makelovewithgaba i’m afraid i’m not!! it’s one of those films that stay with you for a very very long time!!
@@hehe5514 same here 😂😅 okay but what helped quite a bit was reading the original story by E.M. Forster (it's available as pdf online) to get a grasp of the development of their emotional relationship.. it's not just internalized homophobia that divided them but the love just slowly grew cold... Something that happens all the time, also between people who aren't oppressed by society. The slow process of falling out of love is quite good described and comprehensible in the book. And in the end, it's a bit less dramatic than it felt in the movie.
@@hehe5514 And, as you wrote in your previous comment, Alec ist the absolute hero ♥️ he's charming, brave and sticks to his guns. He redeems Maurice from his prior lovesickness and his felt lack of reason. What a great ending.
Could you let me know if you are okay now? Because it's my turn . I finished the novel yesterday and till now, do not have any plan to get over the story of Maurice
I Watched Maurice when it was first released and was deeply affected by it for weeks (maybe more). It was almost a curse. Just the other day, whatever prompted me, I watched after these many years and came away even more enchanted. Back in 1987, it was such a different world and I think the film was so hopeful during a dreadful time. Today, I'm grateful I saw it then and I'm happy to find I am still so moved.
I read the book that very year, as a fifteen-year old girl, and it was the first love story that had ever affected me so deeply and I did cry tears of happiness at the end, felt so elated by it! Tragically, I had no idea that a movie was released or had been released based on the book right about then so it wasn't until around 2010 that I saw the film right here on RUclips for the first time. Nothing will beat reading the original story for the first time back in 1987, but I love the movie as well =)
Wow, second film ever! He was absolutely amazing.
It truly is a beautiful story.
"i don't want to hurt your little finger"
Cannot believe he had no training. Rupert is amazingly natural onscreen. He was incredible in ARWAV. He gave that film energy and humor. I love him in Sherlock. He's great in everything!
Scudder was a beautiful passionate creature.
This movie is a classic. Brilliantly done, and nuanced.
I don't know if they could pull off a movie like this today.
James: "we kept coming back to it, then sort of *pained noise* going off onto some other topic"
Rupert: "it was a long and frank discussion of sexuality"
lmao so which is it
Love this movie. All 3 men are very handsome and I loved to have my coming out 1987.... helped my a lot.
I found out later that all three actors (Hugh Grant, James Wilby and Rupert Graves) were straight in real life. To me, that makes all three, brilliant actors. They had me fooled. I applaud them. Another British actor I loved and admired was James Fox (king rat), now a minister.
I had such crushes on him and Julian Sands after seeing A Room with a View. The scene at the swimming hole was wonderful! How charming and silly the three men are as they have a water fight and then chase each other around the little pond. Then, of course, Daniel Day Lewis' reaction as his foppish character - what a movie! I have been watching everything I can find from Britain ever since. Thank you, Merchant Ivory!
Having at the time auditioned for all three of the male roles,Rupert was utterly perfect - as were the others - in the ,effectively, most important part of the film. He wasn't just handsome, he was truly sexual, which was he characters defining feature.
The book written in 1913/4 was based on the true 40 year relationship between Edward Carpenter & George Merrill,whom Forster visited; to see a man, a n early Gay Rights Activist & his working class lover together,lit a fire in Forster, "Maurice" might not have been published till 1971 a year after his death,is sad as his story with a happy ending changed the climate of visible Gay relationships forever & I wish he could have shared in the joy & freedom it brought to so many.
I first read the book at 13 & have tried to ensure I re-read it every few years the film I've seen only a handful of times & it beautifully done as we're all their projects,but,it butchers the book,which has not only exposition, but some awesome inner monologues. Maybe it's time for a TV series remake,just so the present generation - particularly on TikTok - understand the real true & lasting love story is between Maurice & Alec,not the coward Clive,who never has sex with Maurice, leaving his consistently confused & deeply unhappy.
Thank you, Mr Wilby.
Here is me after 9 years rewatching everything about Maurice!
What, Rupert, are you kidding me? You were GREAT in a room with a view, n SO HANDSOME!!!
Love the mood in that film, that dreary drizzly England.
the magic if , was me when I was younger "I'm not gay but if I was" no younger me you are , sorry this made me think of it . Amazing film thou , same with room with a view
this is one of the most relatable comments ive ever read
Great actor! Always like him. Since his younger days.
he's just lovely.
Thank you, Mr. Graves.
Rupert Graves does this thing with his lips that is just...luscious! It's sexy as hell. He even does it when he is being interviewed in this clip. He kind of bites his lower lip in this cute, drive-me-wild way.
His eyes drive me crazy!
... Mr. Graves' genuinely extraordinary performance embodied the paradoxically casually-yet-searing dramatic balance, and tension, of an innocent, angelic satyr. *Dazzling.*
That BAFTA casually sitting at the back 👽
his voice my god...I love it
My all-time favourite LGBTI film. Saw it in San Francisco, where [obviously] it was very well received.
the three main man in maurice’s cast still looks good before and now like 🥺💕
😂
lol "I got a lot of letters from Japanese girls that liked the film..." LOLLL
57 already! Great movie with great actors.
This is a really beautiful film and very moving.
A beautiful film with great acting!!
boy needs boy → boy loses boy →boy finds another boy
Oh boy!
Ha the japanese girls thing made me laugh
@LagiNaLangAko23 Well, I don't know about the yaoi fans but yaoi culture itself have been existed from over 400 years ago.
@LagiNaLangAko23 I hate yaoi because it fetishizes gay men. It's not okay to fetishize their struggle with being accepted in society.
@LagiNaLangAko23 yeah, I personally am not a huge fan of manga in general (nothing wrong with it, I just don't like graphic novels in general). But I used to be a little "fujoshi", and now I understand how gross it is. I like the fluff, because it's like any other romance story, straight or gay, but when it's made for straight people, then there's a problem. It's like straight guys liking lesbian porn but then not respecting lesbians.
@@rnr45s I'm not completely certain but I did read somewhere that the fetishization of gay men in yaoi is actually relatively recent so back in the 80s it was probably a lot less concerning
@@rnr45s I think that as long as we recognize and respect the line between fiction and reality, it's okay to read or watch whatever makes us happy. I went through a fujoshi phase myself not too long ago, but it hasn't affected my outlook on the men around me at all, and it in fact *has* taught me a great deal about representation of minorities in fiction and about stories in general. I'm a different reader now than I had been prior to my fujoshi phase, and I'd like to think I'm a better one, too.
Rupert looks like what Tom Daley will look like in 25 years, hot as fuck !
That is hysterical because I was sitting at the PC looking at him thinking I've seen this guy before and where. Now that you nailed it. Yes indeed...Tom Daley!
so handsome... loved him in this movie and also in different for girls
Love his cute dark curly hair in the film
He looked like Harry Styles in the movie. He's so hot.
HE EVEN SORT OF SOUNDS LIKE HIM IN THIS VIDEO
No
a voz desse homem eh maravilhosa
his voice still sexy
Graves is great still! Thanks!
Everyone here is noting the many layered aspects and perspectives of this film whilst.. well all I can really think about right now is how much more attractive Rupert’s voice makes him.
Whit rolle like this it's how you know what a great actor you are💗 you are awesome
Maybe I should read the book.
You definitely should!!
DI Moosification 👍👍👍🌈
DI Moosification Reading it right now and it's absolutely beautiful! It was difficult to find but I found it in a gay bookshop in the UK. I usually don't like old English writing but this book wasn't too hard to follow and was just so beautifully written it's becoming one of my favorite books of all time
The book is in many ways the best thing Forster ever wrote; and that's to give it high praise.
Thomas Thompson really ?
Graves is a fine actor. His career is long & varied. Scutter. He was wonderful on B'way in "Closer" & should have been in the film.
He didn't want to be in that and that level. He's the real deal.
Rupert is a true gentleman.
He is adorable in many ways.
Omg scudder’s accent sounds like moriarty I’m screaming
That's exactly what I was looking for, that comment!
Still Handsome And Cool
Rupert Graves is from the Somerset, born in Weston S Mare.
Nice city in an elegant countryside part of west England.
Only me in 2024? 😭 Love this movie too much help
I literally also just finished watching Sherlock and OMFG IF ALEC IS THE SAME AS LESTRADE, JOHN AND SHERLOCK ARE 100% GAY. NO MATTER WHAT.
Rupert’s voice makes me go weak in knees. No lie!
Its so beautiful how scudder grabs maurice's hand and kisses him. Its all the things he was never allowed to do before
Still handsome
Such a beautiful man!
actually many gay films, of gravitas, of any time, don't have happy endings.
and one of my all-time favorites, BTW
Which is why this story was a breakthrough, and why Forster couldn’t publish it legally during his lifetime.
We all had the hots for Scudder back then!
I just watch Maurice...and when I realized,,ooh it's inspector lestrade when he was young...his face not change,, he's age well..
I remember having seen 3 times this beautiful movie in Paris '87.
All my friends were talking about it and espcially about this Scudder so hot so sexy and so naked.
We were all in love with him.
Since I've been trying to follow Grave's work.
If there's one thing that you learn in acting. It is that you don't apologize regarding your own performance. If you're not happy with what you did, basically keep it to yourself. But to go on and on and say, "well I don't know about films, and I was young". I didn't know this, and I didn't know that. No, you don't do that.
Well, it didn't seem to have Rupert any damage. He is just being honest, and I respect him for that.
In case the channel owner still checks comments ~ please correct the author's name!! "Maurice" was written by E.M. (not E.R.) Forster. Otherwise, thank you for uploading this video. It is delightful.
Done, thanks for letting me know. Sorry about that.
@@alixena9340 ~ no worries at all! It happens. Thank you again, so very much, for uploading this! What a treat. "Maurice" is one of my all-time favorite films and no-one could have played Scudder any better than Rupert Graves.
I’m surprised he got letters from Japanese women back then. I didn’t know yaoi/BL was such a thing in the 80s, it was like time traveling whiplash when I heard that.
This film is a classic. Has anyone considered a sequel ? What happened to Maurice and Scudder after this ending?
James ivory himself said that he had an idea for a sequel in mind: Clive died, probably deservingly, and Alec and Maurice went into WWI separated but reunited after
Forster (the author of the novel) spoke about it, and also wrote an epilogue that he then scrapped. They run away together and live a long and happy life “without class or status”. They’re based on a couple who were friends of Forsters and together for over 30 years.
william di canzio (idk his name) wrote a sequel called 'alec'. i havent read it but i've heard good reviews
As well as James Ivory’s thoughts, during his lifetime (i.e. during the period when Maurice was privately circulated but unpublished) Forster exchanged letters with his friend Christopher Isherwood in which they both speculated on Maurice and Alec’s future together. By 1933, Forster wrote: ‘I think what might happen is a permanent relationship, but with all sorts of vagaries, fears, illnesses, distractions, fraying out at its edges, and this would take a long time to represent. One might shorten it, perhaps, if one made them take a vow, and Maurice could take it, but I doubt about Alec, as about myself.’ (By this date, Forster had gained sexual experience; met the love of his later life, policeman Bob Buckingham; but also begun to experience the complications of his triangular relationship with Bob and Bob’s extraordinary wife May.)
Plenty of fan fiction had considered this. Take yourself to AO3 - you may be pleasantly surprised!
I loved this movie as well. I was 28 when this came out and Rupert Graves was just too hot!!! One of things I thought about after seeing the movie was that this takes place in the early 1910s and even though Maurice and Alec end up together -- it's right near the start of WWI. What would their fates be with that catastrophe to deal with?
I thought he and harry styles related😂❤
HE STILL FINEEE BAHAHHA!
Может ли кто-нибудь перевести это на русский?
Can anyone tra nslate it in russian? Please
+Лера Власова Can someone translate it into Russian?
E. M. Forster, please get it right.
O scudder
alec scudder kinda look and sounds like harry styles idk
Forster was the first to distinguish between round and flat characters. Scudders is the latter.
And? Still better lover and partner than the pathetic Clive
Do you have an entire Word document of these rants wilfully misunderstanding - frankly, insultingly - Forster’s work that you’ve been copy and pasting on every Maurice video I’ve watched, or do you have them memorised? Alec was not a flat character - in Forster’s words, he was “everything”. I get that for some inexplicable reason you love Clive, but your “analysis”, presented as fact, is based on a wilful misinterpretation of the novel and, thankfully, Forster disagreed with you. Your insistence that Clive was his true “soulmate”, that the love with Alec wasn’t real, is insulting to everything that Forster was trying to present and say. You’re presenting fanfiction as fact.
Magic humasexual over intellectualism
😍😍😍😍🥵🥵🥵🥵
Poor man...he also didn't want to be typecasted by those roles.
HE EVEN SORT OF SOUNDS LIKE HARRY STYLES WHAT THE FUCK
I really did not like Scudder at all. He seemed like an arrogant, entitled brat who pushed himself into Maurice, to the point that Maurice liked him. I feel so awful for Clive, even if it’s at his own fault. Maurice and Scudder get to live happily but Clive has to live a lie. Idk maybe I’m just interpreting it wrong- but I didn’t like the ending.
The ending of the film is really bittersweet, isn't it? That last scene where Clive is looking out the window as Maurice waves to him as he goes off to his new life... Clive is still trapped, but Maurice is free. And yes, if you sympathise with Clive, it's a bleak ending. But personally, I sympathise with Maurice, and so I'm so happy he gets to go off with Scudder.
Michael Gask I see where you’re coming from, and I understand that it’s Clive’s own fault but it’s really tragic to me. I’m happy Maurice was happy but I don’t like Scudder because, as I said before, it seemed as if he pushed himself onto Maurice.
@@harrystylussy144 Yeah, I agree, that last shot of Clive looking out the window, realising that he's trapped, is heartbreaking, isn't it? I'm also not totally convinced that Alec and Maurice are likely to last long term. But the important thing is that Forster thought so... there's the strange epilogue where Maurice's sister comes across them in the wood and they are living happily on their own terms. That's good enough for me. :)
Michael Gask oh my lord, this is so irrelevant to the conversation, but I need to get this out to someone else- I think I enjoyed the movie better than the novel, which rarely happens with me, because at least towards the very end of the movie there could be a hope for the pair to meet again in their future, without any further implications of full abandonment from the relationship, but in the novel, in the last paragraph it says that they’d never see each other again, which is truly, in my opinion, the most tragic, heartbreaking part of the entire story
@@harrystylussy144 Oh no! You're right... that is indeed heartbreaking. But it was indeed dedicated to "a happier time" and sadly, that happier time took a long while to come about
Graves is a competent actor, but in the crucial scene wherein he threatens Maurice with blackmail, he is too cuddly throughout to be believable. The casting should have favoured someone more "rough trade" than he was. It's a fatal flaw in the film.
If you read the book, he wasn't really serious about blackmailing Maurice.
Graves is far more than just competent. He wasn't sincere about the blackmail. I think that's why Rupert works so well...because he's able to show that vulnerability. I think he's perfect based on the book. And no one has ever made me feel a love story the way these two do at the end.
The point was that he wasn't serious about the blackmail he was brokenhearted he loved Mourice and the fact that he is so beautiful and sweet only makes him more desirable
As the others have said, in the book Alec wasn’t serious about the blackmail and didn’t want to hurt Maurice-he just didn’t want to be ignored. They spend much of their time in the museum walking around and joking with one another.
I think he looks rather childlike in his smart clothes, which undermines the scene somewhat.
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Clive's (Hugh Grant's) reaction to Maurice's so-called feelings about Scudder - "What a grotesque announcement". But at least seeing this video clip makes Scudder somehow a little less repulsive.
You're a feckin' idiot.
Grotesque? It’s called being human
FUCK OFF
Blegh. This comment is utterly repulsive!
private name bahahha