Thanks a ton bro your videos gave me the confidence I needed to do my own roof. I bought most of my materials for 50% of retail price on marketplace and offer up. My neighbor paid 15k for his roof I am 3/4 done for around 2000$ and have the pride of doing it myself. I am seeing so many mistakes that the builder cut corners to save time and cost during the build of my house. I feel confident in the work I have done now thanks too you and others like veteran construction. I think I can finish my project for under 3k so in my eyes that’s 12k in my pocket. Now a days every dollar counts. Not everything should be about convenience and comfort. Sometimes you got to get your hands dirty. I am a concrete guy but with the knowledge from these videos I am confident in the work I have done.
I am really happy to hear this! This is exactly why myself and people like Zach make videos like this. It makes it all worth while getting comments like this!
@@richardmitton4115 Ice and water is FIRST placed in the valley. Then, this is added to re-enforce any voids, gaps or cracks beneath even the ice and water, to "help" prevent tearing of the shingles or Ice and water underneath when walking on it over time. The metal ads durability.
Been looking for exactly this video, thanks so much! A request: where a dormer valley drains onto a flat section of roof, where do you end the flashing? Out over the flat section course of shingles obviously, but how exactly? Great channel, I’ve learned from you
@@Lifes_Apprentice I worded that badly, please excuse. By flat I really meant a smooth roof at a pitch. Eg dormer on an 8-12 roof surface. At bottom of valley the valley joins the roof near the beginning of the side-wall of the dormer. How does that water flow out onto the remaining roof surface on its way downhill to the gutter? Hope that was a bit more clear...
Thanks! The difference is you will have to cut valley on both sides about 2inches up from center of valley and the metal will be exposed a bit. Some areas in the country the open valley is standard and other areas closed valley is standard. The open valley in my opinion is not as good(if done properly it is fine). It takes longer to install, creates more waste, and in some cases more likely to leak. If done properly they are both great options
Awesome teaching!! I have a quick question? I put in two dormers on a 12 12 pitch my dormers are 6 16 my ridge boards come together at the same elevation forming a cross.. I am going to install rolled ridge vent on all ridges. How can i tie this in and also cap it?? Thanks so much for your help!!
Great vids and explanations!! I do have a question. In the name of the "shingling" concept, shouldn't the underlayment, felt or synthetic, be on top of the metal valley also??
I recently purchased a home that this wasn’t done and now there is damage that is dripping past the gutter and rotting out a facial board below. The roof is only 4 yr old. I wish I could send you a picture. I think you would see the issue and have a solution quickly. Inspector said it needed a L shape flashing to revert the water so it comes down and goes straight into the gutter. Is there away to send a pic. Maybe one you could use as to what happens very quickly over only a few yrs.
So I Can Put Metal Down My Valley Middle Then ReDo My Shingles ???? Will it Stop Leakin ??? Cause got Leak comin Down past the Valley so Once Put Metal Down it shouldn't be leakin AnyMore Right ???
OK, I get what you're saying? Then why wouldn't you put it down first and bury it underneath. Your ice and water shields and then put everything over the top like normal. Because the only time I come across this kind of metal in a valley is when I'm tearing off a 30-year plus old roof even older.
So one of my " new " neighbours called city hall on me for me working on the roof and having bees. long story short I got one estimate for the 1800 square foot roof 42k. I did this roof myself 30 years ago, when I was much younger. but no way. I'm doing it again. the city inspector saw what I did during the rains here in LA county , he was not happy. told him it was raining , I bought GAF Weather Watch peel & stick , he said it was not allowed on my 4 12 roof ? ( can this be true ? ). I told him I'm going to use the large propane blow torch and get to stick good .
Definitely should tar each side all the way up both sides bro. Especially in Florida like i am bro. Also you nail it wrong and cut it wrong up top if you were in Florida that is
Using a nail gun on roofing is wrong period no matter where you are but it's easier and quicker than hand nailing so that's what most roofers do nowadays
Sorry. You can be sure that the valley will develop at least 2-3 stress cracks per side due to expansion and contraction. This will happen whether it's an open or shingle covered install. The only way to install a metal valley is with a "w" crimp in the center.
@@Lifes_Apprentice you are totally wrong. I am 2nd generation and I started roofing in1968. Also have 3 brother's with the same experience. I have torn off these installs and every one had stress movement cracks right across the valley line.
@@larrycrookshanks1646 I have 4 brothers! lol ok man I have roofed thousands of houses and never had an issue. Make a video of your own showing your way. your open "W" valleys leak like hell in the great white north buddy!
@@Lifes_Apprentice we use 6' of ice and water shield here in the Great white north. Back when organic asphalt shingles were used the guy's that didn't cut back the angle points had leaks because the asphalt was bleeding out and sticking to the valleys and heavy rains would catch the points and track back under and leak. In my 52 years I never had to go back for that reason. You may have installed (thousands) but have you ever torn off a 30 year old valley?
Thanks a ton bro your videos gave me the confidence I needed to do my own roof. I bought most of my materials for 50% of retail price on marketplace and offer up. My neighbor paid 15k for his roof I am 3/4 done for around 2000$ and have the pride of doing it myself. I am seeing so many mistakes that the builder cut corners to save time and cost during the build of my house. I feel confident in the work I have done now thanks too you and others like veteran construction. I think I can finish my project for under 3k so in my eyes that’s 12k in my pocket. Now a days every dollar counts. Not everything should be about convenience and comfort. Sometimes you got to get your hands dirty. I am a concrete guy but with the knowledge from these videos I am confident in the work I have done.
I am really happy to hear this! This is exactly why myself and people like Zach make videos like this. It makes it all worth while getting comments like this!
@@Lifes_Apprenticezach says he makes videos to give roofers more work from homeowners mistakes
Awesome video, this helps tremendously for what I need to do on my house!
I appreciate you watching! Happy to help
exact video I was looking for, Thank you.
Thank you again. For showing us how to do thit's a blessing learning for somebody who knows what they're doing. God bless you keep up the good work.
Glad to help
Don't think I have ever seen a rolled valley installed like ever
Why the heck not just use a modified cap sheet / torch type membrane instead of this light gauge garbage?
@@richardmitton4115 closed valley is the best.
@@richardmitton4115 Ice and water is FIRST placed in the valley. Then, this is added to re-enforce any voids, gaps or cracks beneath even the ice and water, to "help" prevent tearing of the shingles or Ice and water underneath when walking on it over time. The metal ads durability.
Been looking for exactly this video, thanks so much!
A request: where a dormer valley drains onto a flat section of roof, where do you end the flashing? Out over the flat section course of shingles obviously, but how exactly?
Great channel, I’ve learned from you
When you say a flat section of roof do you mean a rubber roof/tpo roof? thanks for watching I apreciate it!
@@Lifes_Apprentice I worded that badly, please excuse. By flat I really meant a smooth roof at a pitch. Eg dormer on an 8-12 roof surface. At bottom of valley the valley joins the roof near the beginning of the side-wall of the dormer. How does that water flow out onto the remaining roof surface on its way downhill to the gutter? Hope that was a bit more clear...
Good series of videos...thanks man. Define an open vs closed valley for me please.
Thanks! The difference is you will have to cut valley on both sides about 2inches up from center of valley and the metal will be exposed a bit. Some areas in the country the open valley is standard and other areas closed valley is standard. The open valley in my opinion is not as good(if done properly it is fine). It takes longer to install, creates more waste, and in some cases more likely to leak. If done properly they are both great options
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Awesome teaching!! I have a quick question? I put in two dormers on a 12 12 pitch my dormers are 6 16 my ridge boards come together at the same elevation forming a cross.. I am going to install rolled ridge vent on all ridges. How can i tie this in and also cap it?? Thanks so much for your help!!
Well Justin one roofing demonstration at a time I will become a roofer yet.
I have almost covered all the baisics so you are a roofer as soon as you get out and put it all together! lol
Can I use rolled asphalt roofing under the shingles instead of the metal flashing?
So I can have ice and water installed over the layment on my valleys and around my chimney?
Ice and water should go directly on the plywood
Once I Put Metal Down Can Put Tar Down on Metal Help protect It Even More
Then Put Nail Shingles Down ????
Great videos, would using ice&water be just as effective rather then metal?
Thanks. You do not have to use valley metal but the metal ads strength to the valley and ice and water could get holes in it
Great vids and explanations!! I do have a question. In the name of the "shingling" concept, shouldn't the underlayment, felt or synthetic, be on top of the metal valley also??
Nah the ice shield in the valley seals all penetrations
you are freaking awesome
Excellent!
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I recently purchased a home that this wasn’t done and now there is damage that is dripping past the gutter and rotting out a facial board below. The roof is only 4 yr old. I wish I could send you a picture. I think you would see the issue and have a solution quickly. Inspector said it needed a L shape flashing to revert the water so it comes down and goes straight into the gutter. Is there away to send a pic. Maybe one you could use as to what happens very quickly over only a few yrs.
Do you use water and ice under the valley flashing?
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Yes
So I Can Put Metal Down My Valley Middle Then ReDo My Shingles ????
Will it Stop Leakin ???
Cause got Leak comin Down past the Valley so Once Put Metal Down it shouldn't be leakin AnyMore Right ???
Shingles in the valley should be removed first. I do not know your exact situation though
@@Lifes_Apprentice I Have Leak Comin inside Behind my living room wall From The Valley I can Tell it's Valley cause think Shingles Placed Wrong
Thanks
Whats the best valley method for heavy snow country? Thanks
Closed is the best valley
Weave
Actually always weave regardless is best method. Also hand nail. Very few roofers hand nail anymore though unfortunately.
OK, I get what you're saying? Then why wouldn't you put it down first and bury it underneath. Your ice and water shields and then put everything over the top like normal. Because the only time I come across this kind of metal in a valley is when I'm tearing off a 30-year plus old roof even older.
So one of my " new " neighbours called city hall on me for me working on the roof and having bees. long story short I got one estimate for the 1800 square foot roof 42k. I did this roof myself 30 years ago, when I was much younger. but no way. I'm doing it again. the city inspector saw what I did during the rains here in LA county , he was not happy. told him it was raining , I bought GAF Weather Watch peel & stick , he said it was not allowed on my 4 12 roof ? ( can this be true ? ). I told him I'm going to use the large propane blow torch and get to stick good .
Definitely should tar each side all the way up both sides bro. Especially in Florida like i am bro. Also you nail it wrong and cut it wrong up top if you were in Florida that is
Using a nail gun on roofing is wrong period no matter where you are but it's easier and quicker than hand nailing so that's what most roofers do nowadays
Code is 24" wide. You might be a bit shy.
why don't u work alone , now u gota pay insurance, OT, liability, split everything in half etc
That is how business works. If I didn't have employees I would just have a job
Sorry. You can be sure that the valley will develop at least 2-3 stress cracks per side due to expansion and contraction. This will happen whether it's an open or shingle covered install. The only way to install a metal valley is with a "w" crimp in the center.
no it will not. I have done this thousands of times and never had an issue.
@@Lifes_Apprentice you are totally wrong. I am 2nd generation and I started roofing in1968. Also have 3 brother's with the same experience. I have torn off these installs and every one had stress movement cracks right across the valley line.
@@larrycrookshanks1646 can you post a link to a video with this W crimp center?
@@larrycrookshanks1646 I have 4 brothers! lol ok man I have roofed thousands of houses and never had an issue. Make a video of your own showing your way. your open "W" valleys leak like hell in the great white north buddy!
@@Lifes_Apprentice we use 6' of ice and water shield here in the Great white north. Back when organic asphalt shingles were used the guy's that didn't cut back the angle points had leaks because the asphalt was bleeding out and sticking to the valleys and heavy rains would catch the points and track back under and leak. In my 52 years I never had to go back for that reason. You may have installed (thousands) but have you ever torn off a 30 year old valley?
Nice harness and tie-off equipment you got there. Maybe learn how work safely before you show your skilled work.
Whats a ruff lol
your trolling bro
How about us metal valley and don't wrap that garbage
That is metal... are you blind?
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