I’m driving to a new place to live and work. ‘Had’ to decide what to bring, what to get rid of, when to leave, how to pack, who to say good bye to. I’m 40 years old. I have had difficulty making decisions my whole life. As a teenager buying shampoo, I cried. And now, I’m not fully at peace with all my recent decisions, and I’m a bit stifled in the joy of being on the road and onto a new adventure. In a bit of a haunting over the last decisions I made, which were small, like not bringing my bicycle. It’s familiar and silly. I think I’ll listen to the pu’er one next. Happy to listen to these guys on the road. Much love to everyone going through life, a bit lost, coming to RUclips at times because it’s the resource available at the time.
Going through the worst kind of post breakup depression right now and its quality uploads like these that really do help inject the soul back into my jejune slate of existence
BTW, this was my favorite of your videos so far. Loved the dream and analysis as well. Gotta say, tho, that I used to train horses and riders and one of the things I used to say to riders who were afraid of their first jump was "just do it. scream all the way if you have to. but do it." And I also tell people who are hesitating from breaking an unsatisfactory relationship, "do it messy if you have to. just do it." It is the desire to "do it right" and "not be messy" that keeps people trapped. Not sure the man who rushed through the double doors and fell has any reason to feel disappointed. If panic is what it takes to get you through the door, okay. Scream all the way if you have to. Just do it.
I am a Libra (traditionally described as "indecisive" - but I think it's more a love of context and the compulsion to understand more and more context) AND an INFJ. So, a very decisive Libra with both anxiety over making the decision and anxiety over not making the decision. So, not getting out of the anxiety either way. Gotta develop a philosophy that deals with this. My dad used to tell the story of the donkey that was tied between two bales of hay and starved to death because he couldn't make up his mind which to eat. Dad also used to say, "do something, even if it's wrong." I should point out that this "something" was always well thought out, but there was never any guarantee it would turn out to be "right" and he was acknowledging that. So, the philosophy has to be something about there not really being any "right or wrong," just an "as good/accurate as I can get it before the deadline" (which is what one learns as a conscientious print journalist). And, you'll never learn anything if you don't try something. You can't make the rubber meet the road in your mind -- only on the road. BTW, I liked the squid ink pasta. You need to serve it with scallops in a cream sauce for contrast and a little bright green garnish, too. You can't actually taste the squid ink -- it's just color, and color is fun.
Such a lovely discussion. I'm a 54 year old male and I've been working with a new understanding of my anima, having just devoured Jung's Aeon as an audiobook. I love the link to Iain McGilchrist and also of being in service to our higher values when we assess the path of decisions. In giving space to my anima as a guide, I feel less bullied by my rational planning self, and more connected to the grounded reality - and pain - of owning the ongoing loyalty to big commitments I made years ago and serving the values of family that have flowed from these commitments. Thank you, these episodes are so nourishing.
Thank you Lisa and Joseph for being open and honest in this episode. I relate strongly to the choice of leaving another country and having second thoughts, as well as being stuck due to having too many options to choose from. I felt like a failure. I felt like another person would have less doubts about what to do in both instances. Hearing that my "gurus" experienced the exact same thing as me, (and both of them!) , is so liberating. Today I heard that I'm not a failure. Thank you for the episode 🙏
How do you always seem to know exactly what questions I'm asking the universe? 😂 Love listening to your sessions and can't wait to get a copy of your new book! ❤
This was my dream - thank you for discussing it! I rarely dream, or when I do it's often quite mundane, everyday scenarios. This was the most vivid one I've had in years. The more I replay it, the more I realise the pyramid and water likely represent my feelings in my current job, which I feel stuck. I feel the eagerness/apprehension of getting to the double doors is how I feel about the big life change - necessary but daunting. I was falling toward the outside of the pyramid, and it was a clear sunny day. My relationship is strong going into the business partnership. No major worries there.
The conversation made me think about the decision between chasing your passion vs pleasing your parents. Choosing one will disavow the other.. do we live for ourself or others? To kill your relationship with the person who raised you or to kill your relationship with self.. any thoughts or advice?
Outstanding ❤ staying in the conflict was my favorite note. It's the action that's ferreted out to allow the fantasy to die ...leads to more growth & sobriety ❤️
In the dream, the pyramid made me think of Maslow's pyramid, with security at the bottom and self actualisation at the top. The double doors were also interesting, this is how Akhenaten describes the horizon - the double doors of the horizon, which become unlocked in the future or as one transcends one's current state.
I would be interested in what you all would have to say about egregores, which I what I think of when I revisit Jung's famous quote: "people don't have ideas- ideas have people"
I'm a Scorpio rising with my North Node also in Scorpio, however in the 12th house. My natal sun, Venus, Chiron and Lilith are all in Aries. My chart rulers (Mars and Pluto) are natally squared. I'm 48 and decisiveness has never been easy for me in any type of decision making- from bigger decisions such as remain married to the most wonderful man I've ever known (freedom vs security), to the mundane, such as whether to go to the grocery store today or tomorrow. While I have always identified as the Puer, I am also very familiar with death- of those close to me as well as working as an end of life companion. However, times rise up where I feel the opposing need to retract into isolation and that of living joyfully too. Not sure how to determine what my values are in order to make the decision that so often keeps me from moving forward. The podcast on Ecstatic Transformation has been helpful as I continue to find my unique spirituality and oneness with the divine instead of food and alcohol.
Interesting talk! However, a subtle shift in language that I like to use is to change my “no’s” into “not yet”’s(not for everything of course). I find doing so erodes my perception of scarcity and creates positive anticipation for the things I’ve decided to set aside.
Sacrifice is everywhere. Not just decisions. Rene girard said we mimic others and due to this mechanism we sacrifice others to also show the evil. The universe wants to reveal, and we want to hide.
So grateful for reminding René Girard🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿. You may know of Rollo May's "the opposite of cowardice in our society is not cowardice it is conformity" I am a proponent of significance as an expression of our uniqueness in service to our ecosystem, not to be taken for individualism
I did study in Bologna for a year in grad school. It was a wonderful year and led me to a career as a travel writer, However, I don't know what might have happened had I spent that year in Washington.
Maybe the hypothetical guy who was afraid of ordering something he didn't like was concerned about the cost. If it was an expensive restaurant he was concerned about spending perhaps out of his comfort zone for something he won't enjoy and would felt like he wasted money.
Please do an episode on sleeping with someone, the sleeping companion, the act of sharing a bed to rest and go into dream state, what is the role of the unconscious here… the intimacy .. ❤
Thank you. Very interesting. As a side note I think I dreamt of the 3 of you last night. I dreamt of 3 healers, one of which told me 'to see someone about my neck, there's something wrong with it, you could get a stroke!! In the dream I decided I would go to my doctor first before I'd go to a' healer type' person about this issue. So I will go to my doctor to make sure my actual neck is OK and then see if there's another type of healer I should go instead. Anyway, I thought I'd let you know that you've probably entered my dreams!!!
Nothing to say today - just a vail of tears until Iʼve cried them all away. This is a time for conjuring up huge courage as we face the worst kind of evil on our doorstep. They donʼt ring the bell - they break the door down and barge in.
So cool to learn the etymology is to cut and kill! I've been grappling with the decision to go to university. Weighing out the pros and cons, best case and worst case scenarios... Normally I don't have much issue making decisions, but I think in today's economic/societal climate, things are too unpredictable and volatile for me to make a solid choice. The debt, the job uncertainty after graduation, etc... Maybe someone has a similar issue at the moment? Or some advice?
Hope this is helpful. Sounds like you are facing some important decisions. For myself, education has been a lifeline to many opportunities in my life. I went to college right after high school and then to grad school in my mid-thirties. You might want to determine your key interests so you feel a strong sense of direction. What do you hope to gain? What do you want to learn ? How does this tie in with who you are at the core and what you want to do professionally? As a practical note, I bought a home in my mid-forties, gained equity and paid off my grad loans. I have found that making decisions is key to building a great life. Inner Work / Education / Work / Home / Relationships are all interconnected….wishing you a wonderful life.
It's fine to say we must take the consequences of our decisions, but the price of postponing a decision must also be recognized, particularly given the way ill-treatment, for example, tends to escalate over time. I have made numerous, apparently rash decisions to leave ostensibly good employment positions over the years, but having a very decisive, zero tolerance approach to suffering any kind of workplace abuse led me through various employers until I reached my present, much-improved working conditions. In effect, decisions can both shut off options (severing connections with a bad employer) *and* restore one temporarily to a state of relative freedom (choosing a new job). The talk here didn't really recognize this potential to move between these modes.
You should have mentioned oracles, but I can understand that you didn't do so, possibly to keep the dialogue rational. Carl Jung said that something along the lines that the I Ching always gives the right answer. I am not so sure yet about it, and probably neither do you.
I’m driving to a new place to live and work. ‘Had’ to decide what to bring, what to get rid of, when to leave, how to pack, who to say good bye to. I’m 40 years old. I have had difficulty making decisions my whole life. As a teenager buying shampoo, I cried. And now, I’m not fully at peace with all my recent decisions, and I’m a bit stifled in the joy of being on the road and onto a new adventure. In a bit of a haunting over the last decisions I made, which were small, like not bringing my bicycle. It’s familiar and silly. I think I’ll listen to the pu’er one next. Happy to listen to these guys on the road. Much love to everyone going through life, a bit lost, coming to RUclips at times because it’s the resource available at the time.
Someone once said to me "make it the right decision". All the best.
Going through the worst kind of post breakup depression right now and its quality uploads like these that really do help inject the soul back into my jejune slate of existence
BTW, this was my favorite of your videos so far. Loved the dream and analysis as well. Gotta say, tho, that I used to train horses and riders and one of the things I used to say to riders who were afraid of their first jump was "just do it. scream all the way if you have to. but do it." And I also tell people who are hesitating from breaking an unsatisfactory relationship, "do it messy if you have to. just do it." It is the desire to "do it right" and "not be messy" that keeps people trapped. Not sure the man who rushed through the double doors and fell has any reason to feel disappointed. If panic is what it takes to get you through the door, okay. Scream all the way if you have to. Just do it.
Thanks for saying this. If messy is the path forward, then it's messy. I will learn a less messy form later. But we must move forward.
I am a Libra (traditionally described as "indecisive" - but I think it's more a love of context and the compulsion to understand more and more context) AND an INFJ. So, a very decisive Libra with both anxiety over making the decision and anxiety over not making the decision. So, not getting out of the anxiety either way.
Gotta develop a philosophy that deals with this.
My dad used to tell the story of the donkey that was tied between two bales of hay and starved to death because he couldn't make up his mind which to eat. Dad also used to say, "do something, even if it's wrong." I should point out that this "something" was always well thought out, but there was never any guarantee it would turn out to be "right" and he was acknowledging that.
So, the philosophy has to be something about there not really being any "right or wrong," just an "as good/accurate as I can get it before the deadline" (which is what one learns as a conscientious print journalist).
And, you'll never learn anything if you don't try something. You can't make the rubber meet the road in your mind -- only on the road.
BTW, I liked the squid ink pasta. You need to serve it with scallops in a cream sauce for contrast and a little bright green garnish, too. You can't actually taste the squid ink -- it's just color, and color is fun.
I feel through your comment God is trying to tell me something.
Such a lovely discussion. I'm a 54 year old male and I've been working with a new understanding of my anima, having just devoured Jung's Aeon as an audiobook. I love the link to Iain McGilchrist and also of being in service to our higher values when we assess the path of decisions. In giving space to my anima as a guide, I feel less bullied by my rational planning self, and more connected to the grounded reality - and pain - of owning the ongoing loyalty to big commitments I made years ago and serving the values of family that have flowed from these commitments. Thank you, these episodes are so nourishing.
"Bullied by rational planning self" are you reading my mind or what? The whole post beautifully stated.🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Thank you Lisa and Joseph for being open and honest in this episode. I relate strongly to the choice of leaving another country and having second thoughts, as well as being stuck due to having too many options to choose from. I felt like a failure. I felt like another person would have less doubts about what to do in both instances. Hearing that my "gurus" experienced the exact same thing as me, (and both of them!) , is so liberating. Today I heard that I'm not a failure. Thank you for the episode 🙏
How do you always seem to know exactly what questions I'm asking the universe? 😂
Love listening to your sessions and can't wait to get a copy of your new book! ❤
This was my dream - thank you for discussing it!
I rarely dream, or when I do it's often quite mundane, everyday scenarios. This was the most vivid one I've had in years. The more I replay it, the more I realise the pyramid and water likely represent my feelings in my current job, which I feel stuck. I feel the eagerness/apprehension of getting to the double doors is how I feel about the big life change - necessary but daunting.
I was falling toward the outside of the pyramid, and it was a clear sunny day.
My relationship is strong going into the business partnership. No major worries there.
I was coming here to say that is how I interpreted this dream also! Glad you see it too.
Graffiti seen in a bathroom stall in a school of engineering: "Potential is the world's greatest burden".
The conversation made me think about the decision between chasing your passion vs pleasing your parents. Choosing one will disavow the other.. do we live for ourself or others? To kill your relationship with the person who raised you or to kill your relationship with self.. any thoughts or advice?
Outstanding ❤ staying in the conflict was my favorite note. It's the action that's ferreted out to allow the fantasy to die ...leads to more growth & sobriety ❤️
In the dream, the pyramid made me think of Maslow's pyramid, with security at the bottom and self actualisation at the top. The double doors were also interesting, this is how Akhenaten describes the horizon - the double doors of the horizon, which become unlocked in the future or as one transcends one's current state.
I would be interested in what you all would have to say about egregores, which I what I think of when I revisit Jung's famous quote: "people don't have ideas- ideas have people"
This was so helpful. Almost, if not actually, enlightening. Thank you
I'm a Scorpio rising with my North Node also in Scorpio, however in the 12th house. My natal sun, Venus, Chiron and Lilith are all in Aries. My chart rulers (Mars and Pluto) are natally squared. I'm 48 and decisiveness has never been easy for me in any type of decision making- from bigger decisions such as remain married to the most wonderful man I've ever known (freedom vs security), to the mundane, such as whether to go to the grocery store today or tomorrow. While I have always identified as the Puer, I am also very familiar with death- of those close to me as well as working as an end of life companion. However, times rise up where I feel the opposing need to retract into isolation and that of living joyfully too. Not sure how to determine what my values are in order to make the decision that so often keeps me from moving forward. The podcast on Ecstatic Transformation has been helpful as I continue to find my unique spirituality and oneness with the divine instead of food and alcohol.
Holy shit, so excited for the book!
It's OK to be uncertain and ok to choose a mistake!
❤ your channel!
It should get 1st class rating ✨
Interesting talk! However, a subtle shift in language that I like to use is to change my “no’s” into “not yet”’s(not for everything of course).
I find doing so erodes my perception of scarcity and creates positive anticipation for the things I’ve decided to set aside.
Sacrifice is everywhere. Not just decisions. Rene girard said we mimic others and due to this mechanism we sacrifice others to also show the evil. The universe wants to reveal, and we want to hide.
So grateful for reminding René Girard🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿. You may know of Rollo May's "the opposite of cowardice in our society is not cowardice it is conformity" I am a proponent of significance as an expression of our uniqueness in service to our ecosystem, not to be taken for individualism
Thank you. Just in time. ❤
Wow, perfect podcast at perfect time! I saw myself so clearly in your great engagement of this topic. 🙏🏽❤️🔥
I did study in Bologna for a year in grad school. It was a wonderful year and led me to a career as a travel writer, However, I don't know what might have happened had I spent that year in Washington.
Great episode. Loved the quotes and the story
I fw this heavy!!
I look forward to reading the new book. ❤
Thank you for helping me make a decision 🙂
I love you crazy kids!!❤
Maybe the hypothetical guy who was afraid of ordering something he didn't like was concerned about the cost. If it was an expensive restaurant he was concerned about spending perhaps out of his comfort zone for something he won't enjoy and would felt like he wasted money.
Please do an episode on sleeping with someone, the sleeping companion, the act of sharing a bed to rest and go into dream state, what is the role of the unconscious here… the intimacy .. ❤
Thank you. Very interesting.
As a side note I think I dreamt of the 3 of you last night. I dreamt of 3 healers, one of which told me 'to see someone about my neck, there's something wrong with it, you could get a stroke!! In the dream I decided I would go to my doctor first before I'd go to a' healer type' person about this issue. So I will go to my doctor to make sure my actual neck is OK and then see if there's another type of healer I should go instead. Anyway, I thought I'd let you know that you've probably entered my dreams!!!
love 💗
Thank you 🙏🏼
Sometimes it's hard to make a decisión when you don't have all the info you need
Nothing to say today - just a vail of tears until Iʼve cried them all away. This is a time for conjuring up huge courage as we face the worst kind of evil on our doorstep. They donʼt ring the bell - they break the door down and barge in.
So cool to learn the etymology is to cut and kill! I've been grappling with the decision to go to university. Weighing out the pros and cons, best case and worst case scenarios... Normally I don't have much issue making decisions, but I think in today's economic/societal climate, things are too unpredictable and volatile for me to make a solid choice. The debt, the job uncertainty after graduation, etc... Maybe someone has a similar issue at the moment? Or some advice?
Hope this is helpful. Sounds like you are facing some important decisions. For myself, education has been a lifeline to many opportunities in my life. I went to college right after high school and then to grad school in my mid-thirties. You might want to determine your key interests so you feel a strong sense of direction. What do you hope to gain? What do you want to learn ? How does this tie in with who you are at the core and what you want to do professionally? As a practical note, I bought a home in my mid-forties, gained equity and paid off my grad loans. I have found that making decisions is key to building a great life. Inner Work / Education / Work / Home / Relationships are all interconnected….wishing you a wonderful life.
Can't wait nov12th!
It's fine to say we must take the consequences of our decisions, but the price of postponing a decision must also be recognized, particularly given the way ill-treatment, for example, tends to escalate over time.
I have made numerous, apparently rash decisions to leave ostensibly good employment positions over the years, but having a very decisive, zero tolerance approach to suffering any kind of workplace abuse led me through various employers until I reached my present, much-improved working conditions.
In effect, decisions can both shut off options (severing connections with a bad employer) *and* restore one temporarily to a state of relative freedom (choosing a new job). The talk here didn't really recognize this potential to move between these modes.
When I clicked on the link to your site, it is marked “as not safe”….Hmmm….is this where the event info is shown?
I can't decide which ''This Jungian Life'' episodes to watch so I end up watching bits and pieces of many of them....What would Jung do?
so there is an archetype for everything now
❤❤❤
You should have mentioned oracles, but I can understand that you didn't do so, possibly to keep the dialogue rational. Carl Jung said that something along the lines that the I Ching always gives the right answer. I am not so sure yet about it, and probably neither do you.