SS14 Harmony - Space Law Explained
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2024
- This video explains the intent behind Harmony's space law, and the sentencing guidelines. The goal of this space law is to improve both antag, and security gameplay.
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Space law page: wiki.spacestation14.io/wiki/Space_Law
I appreciate the expanded talk about implanters, had a round on Sal as CMO where my hypo was stolen by a thief... while in a completely locked medical room with only me, and sec OOC sided with the thief saying knowledge of implanters was metagaming... to the CMO, in the department where you can get the removers... It really spurned me off of wizden as a whole and led to me trying out other servers.
All I want is for sec to have at least a real smidge of proof to implant check. That's kinda crazy they would consider it metagaming to implant check as if things can just entirely disappear from reality when implants are a known thing in space station's universe.
@@Liltenhead I couldn't tell you why they thought that, and I don't have the heart to bicker in looc about it. Mime knocked me out with something and yoinked it, sec and I were both allowed to search all their bags, and thats when I suggested storage implanter and immediately it got taken ooc. This was... 5-6 months ago now, or so, so I hope they've learned.
Been happy on Frontier ever since. If I have the time, I should go join harmony when it's up but hhhh busy life, I just like keeping up with your updates xD
i once got implant checked after i stole something on mander, there was a 20 min gap between me stealing it and getting arrested, they also asked me about the theft (i fucked up and got my id logged by the door) and then stunbattoned me when i was typing. ive started playing ss13 due to how bad a taste it left in my mouth. a few days before i argued *towards* implant checking as a syndie cause i got caught cramming the digiboard into my storage, they didnt take their eyes off of me for a single second and HOS was arguing that it was metagaming to check me even after i told them i had a second stomach that let me hide contra.
I for real hate that every time an implant check is in order there's a looc argue about it. It honestly makes me wanna just do it anyway if i've good reasons to believe its warranted and completely ignore the looc rant cuz i hate arguing in looc and it would get tiring fast.
Whenever there's a looc argument i usually just leave and avoid the area for a bit because it really kills my vibe
What got me away from the Wizard servers is the insane drama.
For Antags, Space Law is just Space Suggestion.
Anywho, I like the MRP laws dude, Harmony looks like it's gonna go far.
Space Law was always something that put me off playing Security. Way too nervous being the law when I couldn't really digest what the law actually meant in-game. So having a video that lays it out like this really helps. Thanks!
Imo the best way to learn is to play sec and then feel really shitty when you mess it up.
I haven't seen too many implants or implant checks in the game, but an addition I'd personally want to suggest is for them to cause some sort of damage (bloodloss and/or pierce or slash) for literally digging something out of a person.
Fair I feel space law could also stop random implant checks. However having to harm a person to dig an implant out, leaving a mess of blood on the floor, would stress how invasive it is to just "check" a person for implants. (If surgery becomes real I imagine this could just be a surgery then)
Yeah I'd imagine surgery will be the real way to remove implants.
I would recommend reading pull request nr 214 in the ss14 docs repository. It also suggest diagetic ways to stop metagaming relating to implants.
I'd further that it should force the person effected into a temp crit state from "shock" akin to a Clown using a defib.
I found that usually, implant checking doesn't happen because either Med lacks the mats or they just dont work towards getting implanters for Sec as they're too busy or just dont care.
This system is better for beginners because it means you can't get sent to the electric chair like you can on some SS13 servers for only posessing an emag and trying to steal something or break and entering.
Fun fact, the very first time I tried to be a syndicate on space station 13 I had a task of stealing the cap gun from his office. The only thing I had on me was an emag, some insulated gloves I found (not even bought with telecrystals) and an implant for hiding said emag. AI locked me in the millisecond I entered the shafts surrounding cap's room and security batonged me. They sent me to the electric chair even though I managed to hide the emag before they could take it, and I had no option to talk with a lawyer.
I literally didn't even use said emag and it was reason enough to kill my character. God I love shitsec.
that sounds like a really bad case of shitcurity, may i ask in what server did this happen?
@@mateoarango8935 It was like years ago on either /tg/ or any other low RP server.
To be honest it's kinda deserved on my part for playing on low RP servers, those are like the place where shitcurity and murderhobos congregrate.
Oh sick someone is making comprehensive SS14 videos now. It was abysmal on launch
Been making them for years!
Great video as per usual ovo)-b, hope to see Sec AND Antags kick ass with the harmoy space laws!
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I even have a certain level of nostalgia for the time when Sindys discovered it was perma at the time, in the sever that I play in their old times, the shift was more calm in this way.
Really surprised you guys didn't have it before. Played on a few servers with all laws and justice system in place (even though much more strict, lawyers have a lot of work) for over 6 months now, not English servers though. Nice and relatively simple, I like it
i like this approach to space law. what dyou think of the idea of doing Genpop in Harmony? remove individual cells and perma, replace woth a single prison area and a solitary confinement cell. all regular prisoners go in gen pop, perma too, unless they are considered so violent they have to be confied to solitary.
It's not official, but in practice WizDen Vulture is basically MRP if anybody wants that. :)
This might actually get me to want to try playing Sec at some point!
As a lawyer main, I appreciate this.
lmao im a sec main.
what's so fun about being a lawyer?
@@someoneo-o3938 Respect as long as you're not the ego-trip gmod admin type peeps.
On light RP its like being a half civ, half sec who has their own private office, a fancy suit, and a job almost nobody cares about you actually doing. Most sec hate you, most clowns love you, but at the end of the day you can either help or hurt people based on your judgement of their character/toxicity etc. In short, the characters I tend to play answer to nobody.
Someone being nice but they just carpet bombed some people? Go help them out. Try to get them less time. Use space law, even if it technically doesn't need to be followed in LRP.
Most of the time when I help someone they either get a funny interaction/get to actually play up the fact they just got caught committing a felony or crime [which makes a great story], as opposed to just sitting in a cell ignored for 15 minutes. Hell you can start protests with other crew for people to get their trial rights.
I am so unbothered by what happens to most of the station, as I'm essentially Saul Goodman and can be friendly and or help either side. So unbothered that I for the past 15 rounds or so I've played, I've dedicated my time to making my office a secret fortress that slowly expands throughout the station.
I imagine on MRP it would actually have my job pose actual consequences. I wouldn't know as the only MRP server I joined I got killed by a griefer within 3 minutes and left. I am YET to go to an actual trial in LRP. [Also makes the court room a perfect place for me to do my random shenanigans like making my own copy of sci, botany, and potentially even sec armory.]
Basically, if you see Ariv Kuznetsov runnin' around, I'm probably doing something silly. Best part of the job is, if any sec get mad at me, I'll know and be able to "defend myself" over the radio.
Only been arrested twice as lawyer, both times let out with a combination of time served and good behavior and ended up being friends with sec/cap. Both times I was thief lmao.
@@someoneo-o3938 Oh and also, it leads to really funny stories. Like randomly befriending 2 graytides who were being persecuted by sec for the entire round, and finding out one of them made a secret room. Going out, getting them supplies and acting oblivious while also hearing sec hunt them down over radio was hilarious. (One of them ended up stealing ninja's armor after killing them, the other was a priest who got into a pissing fight with a sec officer and was warranted and escaped arrest somehow]. Point being I took them up as my clients and did everything in my power to help them cause they were chill. If they weren't chill, I could just radio sec and crash the party easy peasy.
@@someoneo-o3938 My long winded rant got deleted by youtube despite saying I replied with it.
Basically it allows you to be a chaotic neutral bard who has ties with both good and bad and as such gives you the opportunity to do whatever you want.
There are implants now? Wild.
will the harmony space law include an exemption for certain possession charges for the science team if they have the RD's approval like in wizdens SOP?
We are currently using wizden sop, so yes you can get permits
I wish this style of space law was in MRP like mander aswell, ive dealt with many issues related from space law with wardens not understanding well im HoS. Also fun fact, inderdye smokes arnt on any terms illegal minus being syndicate marked, and has been argued by lawyers before succesfully.
Space law in general is great for lawyers, gives them a purpose.
You mean I can sell interdyne herbals outta maints and not get arrested?
@@zankthegreat4291 Just remember which smokes are the omizine ones, ditch the box, and ya, you can sell them in the bar and legally, your set, all you gotta say is that you made them yourself or found them laying around
will the crime assist from delta V be a thing?
'crime assist' is a flowchart of yes/no questions on the pda that ends with what crime they committed and its max sentance. very useful for cadets
also, can we please have a physical book of spacelaw in game for everyone without two monitors?
Book is planned, crime assist sounds like it'd be more difficult to implement but sounds cool.
This crime categorizing is awesome! Do you mind if we adopt a similar system based on yours?
Sadly every Harmony test run that I have been aware of has been in the middle of my work day. Haven't been able to get on for any of them. Good luck though
Lawyer reporting to Centcom serious breaches of spacelaw by shitsec.
can you do something that isn't a sentencing, if you know the detainee is a syndie? such as tracker implanting them?
Tracking Implants: Trackers can be applied to any suspect that has been convicted of a violent crime (the red linked crimes).
did drama happen between you and the lizards?
the lizards?
@@Liltenhead the main servers ya know.
Animal cruelty should be an capital offence
That's what I've been saying!
That's the cue for someone to go vigilante and kill the guy who killed hammy, and not get perma'd because of space law
We need more MRP players
I play salamander so most of this is stranded but you fix a lot of thing in space law and I wish this was just a update to space law and not for your sever that I cant play on sine it happen at 3AM for me but if I could I would love to play on it
Harmoy
for the life of me i cant find Harmony?
Join my discord for more info
Sec on there way to perma the clown for slipping them 3 times.🤡
Well don't obstruct security four separate times lol
Shouldn't syndicate affiliation be an instant perma? Their motto is literally "Death to Nanotrasen"
I don't really like the idea that all syndicate agents are loyal to their "syndicate" branch. Otherwise why would the syndicate need to wake them up with a sleeper agent call. Plus, I just think it's better for gameplay to not be able to perma people before they've done anything.
@@Liltenheadyeah luckly Rolling syndicate for then forgeting to close the uplink is just not fun...
Thinking about the amount of plans you can execute and then you get permad over an apple and an uplink, and also giving sec a full 20tc uplink its just unfun for the entire station...
Please also keep in mind that Contraband =/= Syndicate, at least not directly.
I've been given a mousin by a syndie for healing him without question, he hugged me and gave me the gun then left. It felt pretty cool so I went to parade with it on my back and got perma'd by sec after they hunted me down. They didn't even want to listen to me and catch the actual syndie
Permaing syndie will make the game too smooth and calm, it is supposed to be a disaster simulator after all
@@Liltenheadbeing a sleeper agent wouldnt really imply a lack of loyalty. Im just assuming being a sleeper is how they pass the screening process.
But... Web Vests are maint loots...
Maint loot can be contraband.
Nobody follows this on lrp by the way
I will make them
Well yeah, this doesn't apply to LRP. LRP doesn't have a space law.
@@Liltenheadand it should.
@@agustron2479 nah embrace the chaos
Sounds like LRP should have a lax or soft space law, for just slight amounts of RP. But most of us know, that's not going to be fairly enforced. kek
Careful: people will join the server and get reported on for these new rules and will sour the first experience.
Eh, i dont like that being a Syndi isnt a permable offense
it never has been. An overwhelming majority of wardens don't perma if you're a confirmed synide but haven't actually done anything. The point of antags is to be disruptive, to move the dynamic of the shift forward. If you perma everybody for just possession of contraband you're 1: making the shift boring 2: actively encouraging people to metagrudge sec for "shitseccing", which is notably not punished by most admins.
@@Torma25 that is true, but that does not mean i can not like it. It makes sense from a gameplay standpoint, but letting a confirmed syndie go rubs me the wrong way, because i know he will do something again.
@@derr7823 trusth me that getting permad 10 mins into the shift because you forgot to close the uplink is the most terrible,not fun,shitty and horrible thing to play in this game
@@agustron2479 its a job hazard
@derr7823 completely understand how it feels, to some people it can also feel like they're being fooled. I see it as a gentleman agreement now! I like to give more leeway to antags, it's pretty stressful to be a syndie, some are even learning and they need to experiment. I think them doing something again is a good thing. Unless the uplink is left opened I don't even take their PDAs lmao
Honestly I was 10 minutes straight of secoffs gibbing assistants but this works too.