Not reaching your full potential is a part of life. It happens to a lot of people. I hated how lips story line played out, I was rooting for the smart kid to make it out of southside, but I can understand his different trajectories throughout his story and the struggles he went through.
But you don’t go from possible MIT to working on bikes full time. The brain didn’t go away. Maybe the degree but he was to smart for what he stayed doing.
@@JCic22 I agree with you, but you also have to take into consideration the downfalls he had to endure. You can be the smartest person in the world but if you cant fight your demons its going to be a rough time trying to reach your full potential, but again I do agree he is to smart for what he stayed doing.
@@JCic22 : It's painful to see smart kids stay in the same hopeless hole they were born in, but it's the usual outcome. I've known so many. All the intelligence in the world can't overcome a person's ingrained belief that a low-life existence is perfectly normal. There's a reason we call it a cycle of poverty.
@@princelevi3733 i hate season 11 it was so fuckign boring. everybody wanted lip to make his turn and liam too. but they screwed up so hard. excatly like lipp himself
I think he did live up to his potential. He escaped the cycle his dad started and learned how to live with his addiction. Guys like Lip figure make it big in their thirties. Even at the end of the finale, dude never stopped thinking of the next move. People need to understand how difficult it is to be consistent when you grew up in a shitty situation. Lip talked a big game but he was always afraid of his future. In the last season we saw him spend mostly all of the season thinking of the future.
Lip was the biggest disappointment in this series, because for the first few seasons they touted him out as a genius, and yet he never did anything with it. Which is actually more disappointing than frank. At least with frank you expected him to fail endlessly, I was really hoping Lip would be different.
He had other things to deal with, bigger things. When Fiona told him he was an asshole for wanting more out of jealously. Him explaining to her he wanted to be better, for all of them. She took it as an insult and used it against him at every chance. It kinda snuffs a flame.
@@Rensune sadly true. i’d like to know why frank dropped out of college. it’s easy to imagine he used to be a lot like lip, but maybe was always a bit more arrogant. thought everything was bullshit and meaningless, maybe partially due to personal life shit (cuz look at his mom..) outside of his arrogance, and collected addictions instead of degrees. i really wish we got more of franks backstory.
Then it wouldn’t be nearly as eventful or entertaining. It wouldnt be relatable either bc it would all seem perfect or unrealistic. Surely you’re curious to see how it would turn out but you’d fall asleep halfway through the episode i bet.
Intelligence is not a guaranteed metric for success or happiness. While I am nowhere near as smart as the character, I have found happiness in much less academic driven pursuits.
@@speedbuggy16v Did I say happiness at all? All I said was you don’t go fro MIT to fixing bikes. When he still very responsible. Not once n the last season or 2 they have highlighter or show his true intelligence.
It’s meant to be realistic when your grow up in his environment with no family, wealth or opportunity, simply being intelligent doesn’t mean much. Intelligence doesn’t equate to wealth or great opportunity. Some of the most intelligent people are working factory jobs just for the money, because that’s what poverty is. You can’t afford to chase ambition over guaranteed money when you having no security blanket as middle class and rich people do.
@@MrBubblecake family? He always had that. And no there are maybe 4 MIT level people working in factories as bottom of the barrow employee relax there are levels. But Santa will come this year.
Having seen the last season yet, but ending up with Tammy seems like rock bottom. At least he can male C3PO noises when working on rich people's bikes.
This is the reality of life, Lip himself was his only obstacle that stopped him from making something out of himself. He’s like Gordon Pratt from Homicide: Life On The Street.
I wanted Lip to succeed so bad, would be a really harsh reality to come back to a place he used to live. And see all the others that never lived up to their expectations, I know its a cliche for him to make it but it would have let the series to take some other turns. Watching everybody not make it got kinda stale for me, you got nothing or nobody to root for.
I LITERALLY realized this was how the show was going to be within a few episodes and immediately checked out. GF was watching it and I popped in every other season or so. Nothing changed so I knew it wasnt for me.
Except for Carl, he completely turned around, while Debbie took the opposite direction. It's amazing to see Carl genuinely succeed in something that a.) he enjoys, b.) isn't illegal, and c.) does good for the world.
The dumbest thing lip ever did was think he was always the smartest person in the room. His blatant disregard of learning was the worst thing he could have done to himself. No matter how smart you are doesn't matter if you aren't educated in the basics. Relearning everything for yourself takes too long. Lip wasn't smart, he was written how people think geniuses are. In reality he's just ignorant and doesn't understand the power of respecting others.
I don't care how smart you are. If you are learning about a subject and someone with 30 years experience in the field is speaking, LISTEN. You may have a higher IQ, but they KNOW more. To not take advantage of someone's nuanced knowledge gained through 30 years of trial and error is the epitome of ignorance. It doesn't matter if it's science, robotics, life, women, cars, finances, whatever the case. No amount of studying can replace true wisdom of a life lived
@@alphamaleprankstv6285 it's plain ignorance to think that people who have worked much harder for many more years and put far more information into their brain are less smart than some intelligent bum. The streets are paved with geniuses. No replacement for sweat.
@@jshshh1041 true but the way they portrayed lip was done in a way in which he knew what that those w more experience were thinking or about to say. He just didn’t have the patience to hear them out, this is what actually fucked him long term. Pretty deep if you think about it.
Phillip was a huge part of why I hated watching shameless. Dudes character was an asshole and smug with an attitude problem who thought that he was the shit
This is such a misunderstanding of genius. I swear Good Will Hunting, and movies like it, have made people believe that prodigies have super computer intellects, with none of the down sides of the commitment needed to even be exposed to the depth of all of those different disciplines. By the way, I have sat in lectures that teach algorithm modification/optimization... They are not teaching you to not think for yourself, that is anti-academic BS. In fact, they teach you how to solve problems and/or think for yourself. Turns out that a bunch of English majors that wrote this show, don't exactly know what they are talking about when it comes to advance STEM lectures. You don't create C3PO, without modifying/optimizing algorithms This pseudo intellectualism, while still being overtly/ignorantly anti-academic, isn't helping anyone who watches this show, or others like it.
@@karan_karan_karan I think what he’s trying to say is science, innovation, and the growth of knowledge is portrayed in tv and film like they are driven by a select few super geniuses who didn’t have to take the same steps as anyone else (I.e. going to college, getting a degree, etc.) The reality is that every invention, every move forward was made because of every little step made by those who came before us. Driving us forward takes commitment and respect for those who came before. I can elaborate more if you want, it kinda adheres to this really common “Great Man” myth in education and popular media.
@@karan_karan_karan I am saying that in order for people to even have been exposed to all the concepts involved in the different scientific disciplines, you need to have spent a serious amount of time. For an 18 year old to be so incredibly smart so easily, would still mean that he would have needed to spend a fair amount of time at least looking over the concepts. There are a lot of downsides that come with being that devoted to learning during your youth. Movies/shows make it seem like these prodigies are just so smart/talented, that they barely need to spend anytime studying/practicing. When in reality, that is never the case. Not saying that prodigies are all socially/emotionally/physically inept; but they also likely wouldn't be highly functioning in those departments either.
@@Maxops500 I am more just saying that we portray prodigies in a very unrealistic way. But I also agree that the "Great Man" myth is a issue here as well.
You're right I found physics, engineering, math, or ComSci to be some of the most merit based studies/fields. It makes for good TV but the genius archetype for the most part isn't real. I'm slowly finding out the successful people in these fields tend to be super focused, disciplined, and interested in reading and new/old research related to their interests. Most just start at a young age. Thinking for yourself (coming up with the most efficient solutions) is big part of these fields. I could only imagine how impressive a tech driven institution like MIT is. Solutions are definitely big part of their DNA at MIT.
What a waste. Blew everything for alcohol. Just shows you how rooted in realism the show is, and why it’s so watchable. It’s like a very real portrayal of life in urban areas and projects. This is just how their life goes. Honestly Fiona is the real genius of the show to me. She had to raise everyone and do everything, barely got her GED and somehow made something of herself. She wasn’t gifted like lip. They never show her after she leaves but I’d like to think she went on to make a really good life for herself in real estate or ownership of something.
It’s just bad circumstances and decisions and moments. Also a LOT of luck . Besides Lip didn’t make it in the show . Nobody knows what would happen 10 years from now if he was a real person. Lots of people make it (out, lots of people don’t and get ruined. It’s just luck , circumstances and partly decisions/actions.
good ass comment. From what you wrote it seems that he always thought people would be in awe of his abilities. Every time he was given some kind of obscene opportunity too big for his britches, it seemed to stem from his economic/familial hardships. They saw what his life was and they were holding out their hand life a lifeline. Makes you wonder how accurate it could be. If someone with the same situation was given these life changing opportunities over and over would they fuck it up. What threshold of fucked up life do you have to cross to just let your life spiral when given great chances repeatedly. @@blakemartin6570
@@swiggitymcswooty141 Im not even sure about what you’re trying to say but it’s more like as you become more educated you understand that there are plenty of extremely high iq people who are ignorant, and allow their arrogance to stunt their development. Lip in this scene thinks he’s some mastermind but in reality he’s just a big fish in a very small pond - MIT is full of Lips, but Lips who’ve been training since age 10. A good real life example of this is Christopher Langan: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Langan This guy’s IQ is incredibly high and the IQ test he took wasn’t BS either, but the dude has dumbest world view and has grossly underachieved
@@swiggitymcswooty141nah lip thinks he’s so far above the curve when in reality most kids doing stem at t10-t20 school are just like him. he thinks that because he’s smoking kids in his mid school he deserves to be excused from social norms and have his path be validated. he’s smart don’t get me wrong, and had he grown up middle class he would’ve done well at a t5 school, but in the show his hubris is far too great for his intellect
@@ianriley5893 Yeah this feels accurate. He's smart for his family, he's smart for his South side high school, but he thinks he's one of the smartest people on the planet, and he's not. There is plenty he can learn from others but his arrogance is such a huge part of his identity that he prefers to pretend that he has everything figured out already.
Lip is one of those characters where so many people in the world are. All the smarts in the world but are so afraid of being treated differently by their family and friends
"Just modifying algorithms": Tech / science revolutions were not a single hero guy suddenly having a brilliant idea, but a lot of brilliant people having lots of brilliant ideas over decades and building on each other. In nine times out of ten. It's just presented that way in popular science documentaries and school to make the story simpler. And guess what, classes tell you the full messy story. Then you start to realize, after a lot of work, that you have finally begun to traverse the Dunning-Kruger valley. And you become more balanced.
classes dont tell you the full story, because teachers dont know them, classes perpetuate the single genius story. Try to find a class that teaches the proper birth of quantum mechanics with all the hesitations.....and good luck with that. It's always the same bs(in that case, UV catastrophy, photoelectric effect, and boom shroedinger's equation).
@@manudehanoi Granted, I can attest to that example being true from personal experience. And that college teaches you more how to pass exams instead of how to do science / engineering. So would you say then, that Lip's proposal, give them free reign over the lab and say 'Go!', would be better? I could agree that at least the option for this should be available. I know of a third-year program at a high-prestige tech uni where the students can spend the whole year on a team project, like creating an autonomous sailing boat, and most say, they learned at least as much through that than via theory classes. But some basics and standards must be learned somehow. To me it's a bit like lab = social media vs. classes = traditional news (newspaper, radio). The former lets you specialize, the latter gives you a broader perspective. Cause you hear about stuff for which you wouldn't have searched for yourself.
@@Irrazzo the knowledge can be pushed to or pulled by the student. if lip likes to pull, let him have it his way. im like that too. i dont need teachers to copy a text book content to the black board when i can read the text book myself. have time for q&a with teachers is much more important. and the lab work will bring plenty of Q&A
That's kinda the genius of this scene. Lip is smart but he has an unrealistic idea of how the world works and doesn't know what he doesn't know. Thus it's not a surprise that he washes out of college. He wasn't prepared for what it would really entail and was never able to learn to hack it
@@manudehanoi So the education system should be total chaos; having no establishment of boundaries or levels - letting teens decide for themselves on the level/type of education/major they want to pursue with neither a curriculum to guide them through the steps of fundamentals to technical details nor appropriate testing of knowledge on their step to becoming professionals? With your method we'd have incompetent engineers building bridges with no structural integrity, doctors who are clueless in their prescription and attorneys who are conman. One needs to take one step at a time with the guidance of professionals on their progression into their profession to become successful in it. The method Lip and you are suggesting only works for maybe 1 in a billion individuals; which the tv show portrays Lip is merely in the 1% let alone 0.00000001%.
Grit and discipline without genius level intelligence will still get you far in life. But genius level intelligence without grit and discipline will only get you to your front porch
A lot of people are giving our about his unfulfilled potential but to be honest unfulfilled potential is one of the most realistic things out there, most people fall short of what’s expected of them or the expectations they put on themselves.
I agree that the writers should have done more with his character, he is a genius. But, then it wouldn't really touch the audience who can relate to Lip's story. I'm not saying I didn't want the character to succeed, it would be a lie if I say I didn't. But this type of situations sadly happen a lot. There are a lot of smart people, who could have done better but were(are) like Lip.... I still wanted him to do more
Yeah, Lips 100% wrong here. But I guess it’s a common attitude for 17 year olds to have. The industrial revolution was built on thousands of inventions not just one. Wikipedia required home computers, the internet, and a hundred other things. That being said, the whole point of the show is to stand up characters with hope then pile drive them into the ground with their own poor decisions. It’s a repetitive formula. Like watching an all-drunk version of NASCAR, it’s fun for the explosions at first but eventually it gets old.
Completely agree. Fact is many of the big leaps forward like the steam engine were thought of decades or even hundreds of years before they were built. Having great ideas is one thing, but the unfathomable amount of behind the scenes work needed to create a steam engine is necessary. Talking like this in an interview wouldn’t get you recognised, it reeks of being totally naive to how the world works
"You don't wanna go to classes, you just wanna sit in a lab." exactly how i felt going to school for computers, thought i was gonna learn coding and how to build computers but i just learned basic IT stuff that i could've figured out on my own.
Lip should have been more than what the writers did for his character. This was one of the best parts of the show and it was eventually ignored. It could have been done so much better into a spinoff show. Lip was the best part of the show at this time.
People give the writers shit for not allowing Lip to be “successful” but honestly that was something Lip never seemed to want just something people put expectations on him for because of his intelligence but Lip always just wanted to have control over his own life that’s why he constantly fights with people wanting him to do what they expect him to do just because your intelligent doesn’t mean you have to go to college just because your Athletic doesn’t mean to have to be a professional I could never imagine Lip in a stuffy board room talking about algorithms all day could you ?? Let people choose their own paths & do what the fuck they want with their fucking lives as long as he’s safe, happy, healthy, & not hurting himself or others in the long run
Lip straight up says that he will get back into uni after he is kicked out and he never does. It is emphasized to the audience that lip really wanted to finish his studies and do something with his life
I like to believe that after the series ends Lip eventually carves his own path. He was never meant to be an executive on the top floor of some skyscraper or become one of the leading scientists with a handful of master degrees but maybe he sells the house and he invests into a start up or he gets involved in stocks and makes millions or he starts flipping homes and he creates a successful business. He shows he has a talent for it in the final season. I want to believe he gets out of hood and him, Fred and Tami move into a house in the suburbs. Lip is the type of person who needs to go through countless hardships to take a giant leap in the world. I’ve known people like him and I really think that’s where the series was going but we never got there because the show desperately needed an ending. But that’s where I think he ended up. I think all the characters find happiness in the end. Carl has a successful career as a cop and maybe he brings some real change to way police do things Ian and Mickey have a kid and they might go through some marital strains but in the end grow old together. Fiona, wherever she is continues to be successful Debbie eventually finds love and continues her handywoman business giving franny the life she always wanted. Kevin and Veronica move to Louisville and everything goes well for them. And finally Liam will grow up and get to live the life lip threw away.
I swear the first 6-7 seasons and the last 4 seasons are a completely different show, ultimately throwing away Lip’s potential which hurts the show in the long run for me
I started watching Shameless when Covid hit and it started with me blankly not paying attention to it almost into half of the 2nd season. Eventually was completely hooked and finished it thru. I think I need to go back to where it all started.
There are different types of geniuses. And a 250 word essay is only one page. Which seems really short, but also requires you to think clearly and write without digressions. Clarity and economy of words is key.
@@geraltofrivia9424 dude, yes. I keep thinking of that terrible show when I think of this clip. Totally cringe writing. Can't stand people lapping it up.
This was the most edgy thing either haha I disagree, but I enjoyed how his story played out. He was an alcoholic, and egotistical, and him being smart alone couldn’t fix all of that.
Lip was the best part of this show. He’s the reason I stayed for so long he out grew it and I stopped watching it I’m so happy he got his own show that really portrays his ability as a leading man. He should be getting movies as a lead actor.
Lip is smart, but he's not completely right. Maths requires "fixing" little details to derive the laws of nature. If you take Pythagorean theorem, with a series of steps, you can derive the lorentz gamma factor, which explains time dilation in relativity.
as much as going to MIT would have been the way out for Lip, I wish to god he wrote that speech and then told the guy and his school to kid rocks after being imressed.
“Alcoholic father, and run away mother” I,… so close to me. “Emotionally distant/ [uninterested in being a] father, and the other person left about a week after pushing me out of her body”. In my nearly 32(next month) years of life, that has been on my biggest struggles. A sense of lack of belonging. I mean, if my own fucking parents a abandoned me, how is one supposed to feel like they belong anywhere. My only substance has been weed and cigarettes since college. Harder drugs don’t interest me, let alone alcohol. I too feel like a failure. I know I have left some opportunities go by me.
I thought that the way Lip’s story ended was disappointing but also realistic. I feel like Tami wasn’t the right person for him to end up with. Sure they were cute together but compared to some of Lip’s other relationships, this one lacked emotion and passion. I had a hard time believing that they loved each other and think that they were together because it was convenient for the baby. We all had such high hopes for Lip when he started college, as he was the one most likely to get out of the ghetto after Ian’s whole army plan went south. It was obviously Lip was incredibly smart and that at college he could get away from the south side life and focus on his education. However as Frank so poetically put it ‘He can’t stay out of his own way’ and lips down fall was the inheritance of the alcoholic gene from his father which led to his expulsion from college. We do see Lip overcome his alcoholism, despite a few setbacks because unlike Frank he cared about the people around him and the damage it was doing to them and himself. I do often wonder though, where Lip would be if this hadn’t been a factor in his life. I think we see that Lip, like a lot of the Gallaghers, doesn’t always learn from his mistakes and sort of goes around in circles and at the end of Season 11 he is still trying to figure out how to make his way through life. The one thing that was a good ending for Lip was his son Fred. He was always sort of a father figure to his siblings, being the oldest boy but we see throughout the series how he had the potential to be a good father and wanted kids. Seeing how devastated he was in the delivery room when he realized that he was not the father of Karen’s baby and then when he took care of Xan when she had no one else, it was nice to see Lip with his own kid at the end because we know he deserves to be a father. I don’t think that I would have envisioned that ending for Lip when I first started watching shameless but then again, the show shows us real life situations and that life isn’t always a perfect happily ever after.
I see a lot of comments about lips unfulfilled potential , and it's true . On the other hand I think the point is that nothing is more important than family to any character in the show . For better or for worse , they're there for each other.
I pretty much always think Lip was based on Matt Damon's character in "Good Will Hunting." Born into poverty, had an abusive and alcoholic father, a ton of severe trauma that ultimately cripples his ability to be successful in careers and love because he has such low levels of self worth. Only through therapy, true friendships, and people actually seeing him does he end up taking a chance and leaving his current situation. I wouldn't be surprised in a "Good Will Hunting II" if he has relapsed
I feel like some people forget that geniuses are humans with desires just because somebody CAN do something doesn't necessarily mean they WANT to and guess what sometimes geniuses get bored of all the technical stuff because it's boring yeah it can be exciting but you can't escape the fact that sometimes it's boring and tedious and some people just don't want to do that kind of stuff even if it's necessary
I had never watched this, and today one of these YT videos popped up. I played it, and then let the next 4 or so play. It was Lip, of course, who caught me. He might as well be reenacting the life of the friend of my youth, dead Lo! these two decades, down to the yelling and rants. Brilliant in his way, he couldn’t seem to grasp that it wasn’t necessarily in his interest to call an asshole an asshole in public. From a family not so much dysfunctional as prematurely embalmed. At some point, about three Major Universities in, I told him he needed to think about getting out, that the atmosphere was poisonous (a conclusion I had drawn some years before, admittedly) and wouldn’t help him achieve his goals in any event. But there was a fourth and final Big U., after which the smoke of burning bridges made any following a back trail impossible. He then declined, seeking solace in substances, until one day someone found the body. The coroner’s report said “congestive heart failure,” but I think he just died of having had enough. RIP.
college just sets you up to be a corporate slave. just because you have a degree doesn't mean you will make it. in the real world, your social skills, charisma, "sociopathic" factor, will play a bigger role than your intellect
Saddest part of series, also saw an unused clip from Hulk, that was very similar. The waisted potential people have because of not having support. Wished this plot line was explored.
Just a lot of pseudo profound statements. The steam engine was derived from already existing engine technology developed in the first century CE. Wikipedia was derived from already existing encyclopedias which were derived from billions of historical and factual documents over thousands of years. Technology is built on other technology - ie "modifying algorithms". Sounds like some kid who thinks he's really smart but hasn't actually done anything academically outside of high school. It's also worth mentioning that university students invent/develop new tech all the time, and it wouldn't be possible 99% of the time without being exposed to new information through classes. People are given access to fancy labs and research grants because they demonstrate that they know their shit during their undergrad and graduate studies, they don't just show up and magically change the world.
I actually think that that's the point of the scene in some ways - that Lip has all the raw talent in the world, but doesn't have the focus, discipline, or determination to actually make it. He always talked big, but where did he ultimately end up? Reminds me of Good Will Hunting a LOT.
He could have gotten into any College..MIT is very Prestigeous...He could have gotten into Community College too...Sometimes the main goal should be just to get the Degree. All the kids were smart. Frank and Monica met at Northwestern University..
Lips character became so disappointing. It would’ve been one thing for Lip to drop out and go back home to his old self, but his brilliance completely disappeared. Before MIT you’d see him reading several tomes of complex books at once, being able to sharply recognize an authentic Louis Vuitton bag by its stitching and material color, building robots, etc. After he moved back home those characteristics of genius were gone and he was just another average Gallagher. Lame character regression
Lip was always the character that gave that show some value , of course they had to match him with the family vibes but he was the most grounded and id be tempted to try watching the show ( never finished it ) just to see his story
It wasn't one person it was incremental. Wikipedia was community driven and is just an outcome of the internet. The steam engines principles had existed for hundreds of years but until the large scale coal mining was in place it was a novelty.
It doesn’t matter how smart someone is. No one cares enough about you in the recruiting process to do this for you. For every smart guy at MIT there’s 100 more
He's got a point though. All they teach at school (even the best colleges) is to follow a certain set of courses and prepare for a middle class life slaving away to big corporations. If you look at all the really successful people, the thing they have in common is that they said "screw you" to this predictable conventional life to think outside the box and do something completely new and different.
3:25 it's a nice spiel but big things do happen in small increments very often. We didn't go from the Model T to "what if we didn't have to shift manually" and then boom the planetary gearset. It came from small and incremental upgrades an inventions over time. Pretty much all inventions are people taking existing technology and slowly building on it over time to eventually create something that we have today.
When your smarter than everyone, you like a challenge. And making it big in life and still being your happy self w/o a beuracratic degree is true success to us.
I tried watching shameless and made it halfway through the first season. I would love to watch all of the scenes and stories Lip is in strung together in one long story. That would be worth watching.
The cold cruel reality is that it takes more than brains or even genius to succeed. It takes the ability to believe that you can succeed and some amount of positive social interaction.
I consider myself a non-stupid person, average intelligence, but movies and tv shows do make me wish I was smarter so academics would come much easier for me.
me, a non-genius, i have difficulty with all these Good Will Hunting Beautiful Mind characters that all claim that classes are useless. well without books and classes/teachers to teach the stuff in the books, how else do you learn the basis for what you want to do? how are you going to accomplish anything in your lab unless you somehow had someone or something teach you a foundation of knowledge first? can you imagine a high school student saying he just wants to do the surgeries without having to go to med school first?
A beautifull mind was based on John Forbes Nash life. Nash was skipping classes at Princeton when he was doing his Phd. His work earned him the Nobel prize in physics. Nash was one of those that the brain was even faster than those at Princeton.
@@derekb.e1151 my guess is he probably picked up a math book or two and went to some classes at some point to learn what he knew. no matter how smart a person is, their knowledge of things don't just magically appear in their heads w/o learning it somehow.
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Not reaching your full potential is a part of life. It happens to a lot of people. I hated how lips story line played out, I was rooting for the smart kid to make it out of southside, but I can understand his different trajectories throughout his story and the struggles he went through.
But you don’t go from possible MIT to working on bikes full time. The brain didn’t go away. Maybe the degree but he was to smart for what he stayed doing.
@@JCic22 I agree with you, but you also have to take into consideration the downfalls he had to endure. You can be the smartest person in the world but if you cant fight your demons its going to be a rough time trying to reach your full potential, but again I do agree he is to smart for what he stayed doing.
@@JCic22 : It's painful to see smart kids stay in the same hopeless hole they were born in, but it's the usual outcome. I've known so many. All the intelligence in the world can't overcome a person's ingrained belief that a low-life existence is perfectly normal. There's a reason we call it a cycle of poverty.
My issue isn't the storyline it's that they flat out dumped him being smart for the second half the show
O no
"You don't wanna go to classes, you just wanna play in a lab. " -- exactly how most of the best engineering students at my university felt.
Labs are great because you get a mini lecture then hands on work with instruction.
Same
Classes are boring, lab is application
That's why i did phd :) i had to teach though :/
Yup still that's how I feel 😂 I want to do practical not the fucking book
I'd forgotten how smart Lip was. It's a shame he never got to live up to his potential.
Maybe liam will
@@princelevi3733 Hopefully. Carl seemed to be doing a lot better, too.
@@princelevi3733 i hate season 11 it was so fuckign boring. everybody wanted lip to make his turn and liam too. but they screwed up so hard. excatly like lipp himself
I literally just said the same thing! 😂
I think he did live up to his potential. He escaped the cycle his dad started and learned how to live with his addiction. Guys like Lip figure make it big in their thirties. Even at the end of the finale, dude never stopped thinking of the next move. People need to understand how difficult it is to be consistent when you grew up in a shitty situation. Lip talked a big game but he was always afraid of his future. In the last season we saw him spend mostly all of the season thinking of the future.
Lip was the biggest disappointment in this series, because for the first few seasons they touted him out as a genius, and yet he never did anything with it. Which is actually more disappointing than frank. At least with frank you expected him to fail endlessly, I was really hoping Lip would be different.
True but at some point frank was Lip maybe not as smart you can tell when has his rants that as crippled by drugs and alchohol as he is not a dummy
@@tylercooper1443 yea but I never expected of frank, he was a complete fuck up from start to finish.
@@tactrix1h even more so when Monica came into his life
That’s why it’s called shameless no one gets a happy ending lol
@@tactrix1h frank was smart and sharp growing up LOL don’t get it twisted. He went rock bottom when he met Monica and he flunked out of College
Lip went from dreaming of developing AI at MIT to dreaming about when's his next cigarette and drink
Nature vs Nurture is not fair!
@@wholelottapain8130 that can’t be it for why he didn’t make it!
He had other things to deal with, bigger things. When Fiona told him he was an asshole for wanting more out of jealously. Him explaining to her he wanted to be better, for all of them. She took it as an insult and used it against him at every chance. It kinda snuffs a flame.
@@wholelottapain8130Nurture (environment) wins almost every time
@@Rensune sadly true. i’d like to know why frank dropped out of college. it’s easy to imagine he used to be a lot like lip, but maybe was always a bit more arrogant. thought everything was bullshit and meaningless, maybe partially due to personal life shit (cuz look at his mom..) outside of his arrogance, and collected addictions instead of degrees. i really wish we got more of franks backstory.
One of my favorite scenes. Lip is obviously a genius but his ability to knock away all the social norms impresses everybody. Very heavy stuff
Lol
This is my favorite scene too
well put
That's why he's a genius.
Now see if a woman can do it..
I want to see a what if episode in which Lip, and the rest of the family, meets their potential instead of consistently choosing the wrong choice.
That is not how these shows work. There is much more entertainment in sensationalism, drama and failure.
@@kingy002 idk man the finale left me feeling more hopeless than shameless
@@mario7832 it’s not about you it’s about the characters😂 and they felt shameless when the show ended
Hmm I believe a fan service episode is in order lol
Then it wouldn’t be nearly as eventful or entertaining. It wouldnt be relatable either bc it would all seem perfect or unrealistic. Surely you’re curious to see how it would turn out but you’d fall asleep halfway through the episode i bet.
I hate the show ignored how smart he was the last few seasons. From possible MIT to working on bikes full Time?
Intelligence is not a guaranteed metric for success or happiness. While I am nowhere near as smart as the character, I have found happiness in much less academic driven pursuits.
@@speedbuggy16v Did I say happiness at all? All I said was you don’t go fro MIT to fixing bikes. When he still very responsible. Not once n the last season or 2 they have highlighter or show his true intelligence.
@@JCic22 And thats reality. His intelligence was never ignored, but his self destructive nature out-ranked his intelligence making him bear average.
It’s meant to be realistic when your grow up in his environment with no family, wealth or opportunity, simply being intelligent doesn’t mean much. Intelligence doesn’t equate to wealth or great opportunity. Some of the most intelligent people are working factory jobs just for the money, because that’s what poverty is. You can’t afford to chase ambition over guaranteed money when you having no security blanket as middle class and rich people do.
@@MrBubblecake family? He always had that. And no there are maybe 4 MIT level people working in factories as bottom of the barrow employee relax there are levels. But Santa will come this year.
i love this, it shows even though lip seems like he's not a nerd, he is. c3po
They moved his character ALL around!!! Like they just couldn’t let him be successful 😩
Having seen the last season yet, but ending up with Tammy seems like rock bottom. At least he can male C3PO noises when working on rich people's bikes.
@@hurtigheinz3790 Tammy was great
@@hurtigheinz3790 she wasn’t already rock bottom
Its reality for people in the sticks
yeah lifes a bitch sometimes
This is the reality of life, Lip himself was his only obstacle that stopped him from making something out of himself. He’s like Gordon Pratt from Homicide: Life On The Street.
I wanted Lip to succeed so bad, would be a really harsh reality to come back to a place he used to live. And see all the others that never lived up to their expectations, I know its a cliche for him to make it but it would have let the series to take some other turns. Watching everybody not make it got kinda stale for me, you got nothing or nobody to root for.
Fr, at first it was really good to me but then after a while i just get a bit pissed off lol
I LITERALLY realized this was how the show was going to be within a few episodes and immediately checked out. GF was watching it and I popped in every other season or so. Nothing changed so I knew it wasnt for me.
Except for Carl, he completely turned around, while Debbie took the opposite direction. It's amazing to see Carl genuinely succeed in something that a.) he enjoys, b.) isn't illegal, and c.) does good for the world.
Well that’s how life is unfortunately. Not the wishy washy happy end tv shows. Not everyone makes it! And that’s what makes you uncomfortable
@@cheezkibbles1626 wouldn’t say cops do good for the world. They are not protecting the people. They are protecting the system.
The dumbest thing lip ever did was think he was always the smartest person in the room. His blatant disregard of learning was the worst thing he could have done to himself. No matter how smart you are doesn't matter if you aren't educated in the basics. Relearning everything for yourself takes too long. Lip wasn't smart, he was written how people think geniuses are. In reality he's just ignorant and doesn't understand the power of respecting others.
Too say lip isn’t smart is plain ignorant idk what you are talking about
I don't care how smart you are. If you are learning about a subject and someone with 30 years experience in the field is speaking, LISTEN. You may have a higher IQ, but they KNOW more. To not take advantage of someone's nuanced knowledge gained through 30 years of trial and error is the epitome of ignorance. It doesn't matter if it's science, robotics, life, women, cars, finances, whatever the case. No amount of studying can replace true wisdom of a life lived
@@alphamaleprankstv6285 it's plain ignorance to think that people who have worked much harder for many more years and put far more information into their brain are less smart than some intelligent bum. The streets are paved with geniuses. No replacement for sweat.
If you want to be smart then you have to be consistent. If you can't do that then you won't go much far.
@@jshshh1041 true but the way they portrayed lip was done in a way in which he knew what that those w more experience were thinking or about to say. He just didn’t have the patience to hear them out, this is what actually fucked him long term. Pretty deep if you think about it.
He’s homeless and living with his wife in her fathers basement currently
It’s not a basement it’s tamis old room
Lip was a huge part of why I kept watching Shameless.
Phillip was a huge part of why I hated watching shameless. Dudes character was an asshole and smug with an attitude problem who thought that he was the shit
@@Compulsive-Elk7103you didn’t understood a character
This is such a misunderstanding of genius. I swear Good Will Hunting, and movies like it, have made people believe that prodigies have super computer intellects, with none of the down sides of the commitment needed to even be exposed to the depth of all of those different disciplines.
By the way, I have sat in lectures that teach algorithm modification/optimization... They are not teaching you to not think for yourself, that is anti-academic BS. In fact, they teach you how to solve problems and/or think for yourself. Turns out that a bunch of English majors that wrote this show, don't exactly know what they are talking about when it comes to advance STEM lectures.
You don't create C3PO, without modifying/optimizing algorithms This pseudo intellectualism, while still being overtly/ignorantly anti-academic, isn't helping anyone who watches this show, or others like it.
english pleaseeeee this sounds interesting but idk what ur saying
@@karan_karan_karan I think what he’s trying to say is science, innovation, and the growth of knowledge is portrayed in tv and film like they are driven by a select few super geniuses who didn’t have to take the same steps as anyone else (I.e. going to college, getting a degree, etc.) The reality is that every invention, every move forward was made because of every little step made by those who came before us. Driving us forward takes commitment and respect for those who came before. I can elaborate more if you want, it kinda adheres to this really common “Great Man” myth in education and popular media.
@@karan_karan_karan
I am saying that in order for people to even have been exposed to all the concepts involved in the different scientific disciplines, you need to have spent a serious amount of time.
For an 18 year old to be so incredibly smart so easily, would still mean that he would have needed to spend a fair amount of time at least looking over the concepts. There are a lot of downsides that come with being that devoted to learning during your youth.
Movies/shows make it seem like these prodigies are just so smart/talented, that they barely need to spend anytime studying/practicing. When in reality, that is never the case.
Not saying that prodigies are all socially/emotionally/physically inept; but they also likely wouldn't be highly functioning in those departments either.
@@Maxops500
I am more just saying that we portray prodigies in a very unrealistic way.
But I also agree that the "Great Man" myth is a issue here as well.
You're right I found physics, engineering, math, or ComSci to be some of the most merit based studies/fields. It makes for good TV but the genius archetype for the most part isn't real. I'm slowly finding out the successful people in these fields tend to be super focused, disciplined, and interested in reading and new/old research related to their interests. Most just start at a young age. Thinking for yourself (coming up with the most efficient solutions) is big part of these fields. I could only imagine how impressive a tech driven institution like MIT is. Solutions are definitely big part of their DNA at MIT.
What a waste. Blew everything for alcohol. Just shows you how rooted in realism the show is, and why it’s so watchable. It’s like a very real portrayal of life in urban areas and projects. This is just how their life goes. Honestly Fiona is the real genius of the show to me. She had to raise everyone and do everything, barely got her GED and somehow made something of herself. She wasn’t gifted like lip. They never show her after she leaves but I’d like to think she went on to make a really good life for herself in real estate or ownership of something.
Fiona isn’t smart but works hard. Lip is a genius who doesn’t work hard that’s the difference between them.
It’s just bad circumstances and decisions and moments. Also a LOT of luck . Besides Lip didn’t make it in the show . Nobody knows what would happen 10 years from now if he was a real person. Lots of people make it (out, lots of people don’t and get ruined. It’s just luck , circumstances and partly decisions/actions.
Didn’t she fuck every guy she worked for
Lol lips iq was in the 150-160 range comparing Fiona to that is laughable. She was street smart but lip was a prodigy.
Saw this series as a life lesson. Lip had so many chances thrown at him, and just pissed them away. Don’t be like lip.
good ass comment. From what you wrote it seems that he always thought people would be in awe of his abilities. Every time he was given some kind of obscene opportunity too big for his britches, it seemed to stem from his economic/familial hardships. They saw what his life was and they were holding out their hand life a lifeline. Makes you wonder how accurate it could be. If someone with the same situation was given these life changing opportunities over and over would they fuck it up. What threshold of fucked up life do you have to cross to just let your life spiral when given great chances repeatedly. @@blakemartin6570
watching this episode now just need the clip
of him, thanks for this homie
Watching freshman year of college: omg lip is so smart
Watching in grad school: omg lip thinks he's so smart
you got less intelligent as you went through school? lol how
@@swiggitymcswooty141 ?
@@swiggitymcswooty141
Im not even sure about what you’re trying to say but it’s more like as you become more educated you understand that there are plenty of extremely high iq people who are ignorant, and allow their arrogance to stunt their development. Lip in this scene thinks he’s some mastermind but in reality he’s just a big fish in a very small pond - MIT is full of Lips, but Lips who’ve been training since age 10.
A good real life example of this is Christopher Langan:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Langan
This guy’s IQ is incredibly high and the IQ test he took wasn’t BS either, but the dude has dumbest world view and has grossly underachieved
@@swiggitymcswooty141nah lip thinks he’s so far above the curve when in reality most kids doing stem at t10-t20 school are just like him. he thinks that because he’s smoking kids in his mid school he deserves to be excused from social norms and have his path be validated.
he’s smart don’t get me wrong, and had he grown up middle class he would’ve done well at a t5 school, but in the show his hubris is far too great for his intellect
@@ianriley5893 Yeah this feels accurate. He's smart for his family, he's smart for his South side high school, but he thinks he's one of the smartest people on the planet, and he's not. There is plenty he can learn from others but his arrogance is such a huge part of his identity that he prefers to pretend that he has everything figured out already.
Philip without a doubt is a genius and sometimes things happen, but let's all salute this Lip. He knew exactly what he wanted and needed.
Lip is one of those characters where so many people in the world are. All the smarts in the world but are so afraid of being treated differently by their family and friends
"Just modifying algorithms": Tech / science revolutions were not a single hero guy suddenly having a brilliant idea, but a lot of brilliant people having lots of brilliant ideas over decades and building on each other. In nine times out of ten. It's just presented that way in popular science documentaries and school to make the story simpler. And guess what, classes tell you the full messy story. Then you start to realize, after a lot of work, that you have finally begun to traverse the Dunning-Kruger valley. And you become more balanced.
classes dont tell you the full story, because teachers dont know them, classes perpetuate the single genius story. Try to find a class that teaches the proper birth of quantum mechanics with all the hesitations.....and good luck with that. It's always the same bs(in that case, UV catastrophy, photoelectric effect, and boom shroedinger's equation).
@@manudehanoi Granted, I can attest to that example being true from personal experience. And that college teaches you more how to pass exams instead of how to do science / engineering. So would you say then, that Lip's proposal, give them free reign over the lab and say 'Go!', would be better? I could agree that at least the option for this should be available. I know of a third-year program at a high-prestige tech uni where the students can spend the whole year on a team project, like creating an autonomous sailing boat, and most say, they learned at least as much through that than via theory classes. But some basics and standards must be learned somehow.
To me it's a bit like lab = social media vs. classes = traditional news (newspaper, radio). The former lets you specialize, the latter gives you a broader perspective. Cause you hear about stuff for which you wouldn't have searched for yourself.
@@Irrazzo the knowledge can be pushed to or pulled by the student. if lip likes to pull, let him have it his way. im like that too. i dont need teachers to copy a text book content to the black board when i can read the text book myself. have time for q&a with teachers is much more important. and the lab work will bring plenty of Q&A
That's kinda the genius of this scene. Lip is smart but he has an unrealistic idea of how the world works and doesn't know what he doesn't know. Thus it's not a surprise that he washes out of college. He wasn't prepared for what it would really entail and was never able to learn to hack it
@@manudehanoi So the education system should be total chaos; having no establishment of boundaries or levels - letting teens decide for themselves on the level/type of education/major they want to pursue with neither a curriculum to guide them through the steps of fundamentals to technical details nor appropriate testing of knowledge on their step to becoming professionals? With your method we'd have incompetent engineers building bridges with no structural integrity, doctors who are clueless in their prescription and attorneys who are conman. One needs to take one step at a time with the guidance of professionals on their progression into their profession to become successful in it. The method Lip and you are suggesting only works for maybe 1 in a billion individuals; which the tv show portrays Lip is merely in the 1% let alone 0.00000001%.
Grit and discipline without genius level intelligence will still get you far in life. But genius level intelligence without grit and discipline will only get you to your front porch
exactly
That’s why Fiona made something of herself. She wasn’t gifted like Lip but she made it
Keep believe that (Americans and western people)😂😂😂
believing*, Mr. intelligent 3rd worlder. @@Mel-iv1nm
A lot of people are giving our about his unfulfilled potential but to be honest unfulfilled potential is one of the most realistic things out there, most people fall short of what’s expected of them or the expectations they put on themselves.
I agree that the writers should have done more with his character, he is a genius. But, then it wouldn't really touch the audience who can relate to Lip's story. I'm not saying I didn't want the character to succeed, it would be a lie if I say I didn't. But this type of situations sadly happen a lot. There are a lot of smart people, who could have done better but were(are) like Lip.... I still wanted him to do more
I honestly would have watched a show that was just about Lip, not anyone else from the show, but just him being the sole character.
S'basically Malcolm in the Middle
@@geassmanleon Malcolm in the Middle was about a smart kid and a bad environment? Might have to check that out
@@pyromaniac034 Yep.
Yeah, Lips 100% wrong here. But I guess it’s a common attitude for 17 year olds to have. The industrial revolution was built on thousands of inventions not just one. Wikipedia required home computers, the internet, and a hundred other things.
That being said, the whole point of the show is to stand up characters with hope then pile drive them into the ground with their own poor decisions. It’s a repetitive formula. Like watching an all-drunk version of NASCAR, it’s fun for the explosions at first but eventually it gets old.
Completely agree. Fact is many of the big leaps forward like the steam engine were thought of decades or even hundreds of years before they were built. Having great ideas is one thing, but the unfathomable amount of behind the scenes work needed to create a steam engine is necessary.
Talking like this in an interview wouldn’t get you recognised, it reeks of being totally naive to how the world works
And this is why the world is crippled. Nobody has any idea how it works, but everyone wants to give their two cents. People lile you disappoint me.
Gets very very old - so much so that I stopped watching
@@Carl-ld5jy why are you so defensive over a youtube comment on a show that’s weird behavior man
@@pasco1182 it's disheartening to see the state of the hive mind.
Lip's story arcs has to be one of the saddest in TV history for a character that lived.
"You don't wanna go to classes, you just wanna sit in a lab." exactly how i felt going to school for computers, thought i was gonna learn coding and how to build computers but i just learned basic IT stuff that i could've figured out on my own.
Lip should have been more than what the writers did for his character. This was one of the best parts of the show and it was eventually ignored. It could have been done so much better into a spinoff show. Lip was the best part of the show at this time.
We need a mini series focused on Lip and the what-if scenarios assuming he made a few good choices and ended up realizing his potential.
FR
People give the writers shit for not allowing Lip to be “successful” but honestly that was something Lip never seemed to want just something people put expectations on him for because of his intelligence but Lip always just wanted to have control over his own life that’s why he constantly fights with people wanting him to do what they expect him to do just because your intelligent doesn’t mean you have to go to college just because your Athletic doesn’t mean to have to be a professional I could never imagine Lip in a stuffy board room talking about algorithms all day could you ?? Let people choose their own paths & do what the fuck they want with their fucking lives as long as he’s safe, happy, healthy, & not hurting himself or others in the long run
Lip straight up says that he will get back into uni after he is kicked out and he never does. It is emphasized to the audience that lip really wanted to finish his studies and do something with his life
Fun fact, de ends up being a chef. A damn good one too
He also somehow got a new family also in Chicago, a decent upgrade to the Berzatto family, besides what happened with his brother
They could have done so much more with his character
I like to believe that after the series ends Lip eventually carves his own path. He was never meant to be an executive on the top floor of some skyscraper or become one of the leading scientists with a handful of master degrees but maybe he sells the house and he invests into a start up or he gets involved in stocks and makes millions or he starts flipping homes and he creates a successful business. He shows he has a talent for it in the final season. I want to believe he gets out of hood and him, Fred and Tami move into a house in the suburbs. Lip is the type of person who needs to go through countless hardships to take a giant leap in the world. I’ve known people like him and I really think that’s where the series was going but we never got there because the show desperately needed an ending. But that’s where I think he ended up. I think all the characters find happiness in the end. Carl has a successful career as a cop and maybe he brings some real change to way police do things Ian and Mickey have a kid and they might go through some marital strains but in the end grow old together. Fiona, wherever she is continues to be successful Debbie eventually finds love and continues her handywoman business giving franny the life she always wanted. Kevin and Veronica move to Louisville and everything goes well for them. And finally Liam will grow up and get to live the life lip threw away.
I swear the first 6-7 seasons and the last 4 seasons are a completely different show, ultimately throwing away Lip’s potential which hurts the show in the long run for me
I started watching Shameless when Covid hit and it started with me blankly not paying attention to it almost into half of the 2nd season. Eventually was completely hooked and finished it thru. I think I need to go back to where it all started.
The writers of this show obviously watched Good Will Hunting one too many times, and said hold my beer in terms of cringy over the top dialogue.
"That's not how this works. That's not how ANY OF THIS works."
I like this b/c it is so realistic. There are so many who have that potential but don't escape their conditioning.
This is the moment they made it to a show
What doesn't make sense about this part where they make Lip to be this genius, but he has trouble writing essays his freshman year.
There are different types of geniuses. And a 250 word essay is only one page. Which seems really short, but also requires you to think clearly and write without digressions. Clarity and economy of words is key.
Man the writing isn't great, it's like how a dumb person would think an intelligent person would talk
any MIT recruiter would've just walked away when he said he didnt want the interview
You just pitched the whole Scorpion tv show
@@geraltofrivia9424 dude, yes. I keep thinking of that terrible show when I think of this clip. Totally cringe writing. Can't stand people lapping it up.
Lips most significant challenge in life was Lip. Mans got every opportunity and didn't do anything with it.
Horrible character development for him so much build up just for him to become a mecjanic
Not horrible realistic
This was the most edgy thing either haha I disagree, but I enjoyed how his story played out. He was an alcoholic, and egotistical, and him being smart alone couldn’t fix all of that.
Wonder how he feels knowing his brother is a Jedi
Lip was the best part of this show. He’s the reason I stayed for so long he out grew it and I stopped watching it I’m so happy he got his own show that really portrays his ability as a leading man. He should be getting movies as a lead actor.
Lip is smart, but he's not completely right. Maths requires "fixing" little details to derive the laws of nature. If you take Pythagorean theorem, with a series of steps, you can derive the lorentz gamma factor, which explains time dilation in relativity.
as much as going to MIT would have been the way out for Lip, I wish to god he wrote that speech and then told the guy and his school to kid rocks after being imressed.
One of the best characters to be on TV
“Alcoholic father, and run away mother”
I,… so close to me.
“Emotionally distant/ [uninterested in being a] father, and the other person left about a week after pushing me out of her body”.
In my nearly 32(next month) years of life, that has been on my biggest struggles.
A sense of lack of belonging.
I mean, if my own fucking parents a abandoned me, how is one supposed to feel like they belong anywhere.
My only substance has been weed and cigarettes since college.
Harder drugs don’t interest me, let alone alcohol.
I too feel like a failure.
I know I have left some opportunities go by me.
Happy early birthday 🎉
@@carlosskates00 Thank you
He turned into a great delivery guy
I thought that the way Lip’s story ended was disappointing but also realistic. I feel like Tami wasn’t the right person for him to end up with. Sure they were cute together but compared to some of Lip’s other relationships, this one lacked emotion and passion. I had a hard time believing that they loved each other and think that they were together because it was convenient for the baby. We all had such high hopes for Lip when he started college, as he was the one most likely to get out of the ghetto after Ian’s whole army plan went south. It was obviously Lip was incredibly smart and that at college he could get away from the south side life and focus on his education. However as Frank so poetically put it ‘He can’t stay out of his own way’ and lips down fall was the inheritance of the alcoholic gene from his father which led to his expulsion from college. We do see Lip overcome his alcoholism, despite a few setbacks because unlike Frank he cared about the people around him and the damage it was doing to them and himself. I do often wonder though, where Lip would be if this hadn’t been a factor in his life. I think we see that Lip, like a lot of the Gallaghers, doesn’t always learn from his mistakes and sort of goes around in circles and at the end of Season 11 he is still trying to figure out how to make his way through life. The one thing that was a good ending for Lip was his son Fred. He was always sort of a father figure to his siblings, being the oldest boy but we see throughout the series how he had the potential to be a good father and wanted kids. Seeing how devastated he was in the delivery room when he realized that he was not the father of Karen’s baby and then when he took care of Xan when she had no one else, it was nice to see Lip with his own kid at the end because we know he deserves to be a father. I don’t think that I would have envisioned that ending for Lip when I first started watching shameless but then again, the show shows us real life situations and that life isn’t always a perfect happily ever after.
I see a lot of comments about lips unfulfilled potential , and it's true . On the other hand I think the point is that nothing is more important than family to any character in the show . For better or for worse , they're there for each other.
I miss this Lip.
I pretty much always think Lip was based on Matt Damon's character in "Good Will Hunting." Born into poverty, had an abusive and alcoholic father, a ton of severe trauma that ultimately cripples his ability to be successful in careers and love because he has such low levels of self worth. Only through therapy, true friendships, and people actually seeing him does he end up taking a chance and leaving his current situation. I wouldn't be surprised in a "Good Will Hunting II" if he has relapsed
Lip's greatest strength is his greatest weakness. He was always too smart for his own good
The inside and ouside of that house are so outlandishly different it is actually hard to see past it
Still want more of this show man
Lip didn't end up going to MIT he actually went to Europe to work on his cooking career and took over his brother's restaurant after his passing
I feel like some people forget that geniuses are humans with desires just because somebody CAN do something doesn't necessarily mean they WANT to and guess what sometimes geniuses get bored of all the technical stuff because it's boring yeah it can be exciting but you can't escape the fact that sometimes it's boring and tedious and some people just don't want to do that kind of stuff even if it's necessary
I had never watched this, and today one of these YT videos popped up. I played it, and then let the next 4 or so play. It was Lip, of course, who caught me. He might as well be reenacting the life of the friend of my youth, dead Lo! these two decades, down to the yelling and rants. Brilliant in his way, he couldn’t seem to grasp that it wasn’t necessarily in his interest to call an asshole an asshole in public. From a family not so much dysfunctional as prematurely embalmed. At some point, about three Major Universities in, I told him he needed to think about getting out, that the atmosphere was poisonous (a conclusion I had drawn some years before, admittedly) and wouldn’t help him achieve his goals in any event. But there was a fourth and final Big U., after which the smoke of burning bridges made any following a back trail impossible. He then declined, seeking solace in substances, until one day someone found the body. The coroner’s report said “congestive heart failure,” but I think he just died of having had enough. RIP.
Damn that 5 minute essay was 10x better than my college essay….
Lip is the reason why I want to finish college All that potential…what a shame
college just sets you up to be a corporate slave. just because you have a degree doesn't mean you will make it. in the real world, your social skills, charisma, "sociopathic" factor, will play a bigger role than your intellect
@@joshpatterson4973 I got none of those
I wanna read this entire essay.
Now that I’m thinking about it, Lip really was the original crash out
Saddest part of series, also saw an unused clip from Hulk, that was very similar. The waisted potential people have because of not having support. Wished this plot line was explored.
Best part is that any software innovation in robotics which comes from ai is just modifying algorithms.
This guy would fit right in on Reddit.
Just a lot of pseudo profound statements.
The steam engine was derived from already existing engine technology developed in the first century CE.
Wikipedia was derived from already existing encyclopedias which were derived from billions of historical and factual documents over thousands of years.
Technology is built on other technology - ie "modifying algorithms".
Sounds like some kid who thinks he's really smart but hasn't actually done anything academically outside of high school.
It's also worth mentioning that university students invent/develop new tech all the time, and it wouldn't be possible 99% of the time without being exposed to new information through classes. People are given access to fancy labs and research grants because they demonstrate that they know their shit during their undergrad and graduate studies, they don't just show up and magically change the world.
I actually think that that's the point of the scene in some ways - that Lip has all the raw talent in the world, but doesn't have the focus, discipline, or determination to actually make it. He always talked big, but where did he ultimately end up?
Reminds me of Good Will Hunting a LOT.
If the essay was plagiarized there was no way he was getting an interview.
I am a PhD student in Data science and All I do is modifying algorithms. My life sucks.
He could have gotten into any College..MIT is very Prestigeous...He could have gotten into Community College too...Sometimes the main goal should be just to get the Degree. All the kids were smart. Frank and Monica met at Northwestern University..
Lips character became so disappointing. It would’ve been one thing for Lip to drop out and go back home to his old self, but his brilliance completely disappeared. Before MIT you’d see him reading several tomes of complex books at once, being able to sharply recognize an authentic Louis Vuitton bag by its stitching and material color, building robots, etc. After he moved back home those characteristics of genius were gone and he was just another average Gallagher. Lame character regression
Lip was always the character that gave that show some value , of course they had to match him with the family vibes but he was the most grounded and id be tempted to try watching the show ( never finished it ) just to see his story
Never heard someone refer to Threepio as a badass before.
It wasn't one person it was incremental. Wikipedia was community driven and is just an outcome of the internet. The steam engines principles had existed for hundreds of years but until the large scale coal mining was in place it was a novelty.
Lip has some crazy real life experience thats for sure. Bros been through it all, and that’s no exaggeration
It doesn’t matter how smart someone is. No one cares enough about you in the recruiting process to do this for you. For every smart guy at MIT there’s 100 more
He's got a point though. All they teach at school (even the best colleges) is to follow a certain set of courses and prepare for a middle class life slaving away to big corporations. If you look at all the really successful people, the thing they have in common is that they said "screw you" to this predictable conventional life to think outside the box and do something completely new and different.
It was sad to watch him throw away his life. Sad
3:25 it's a nice spiel but big things do happen in small increments very often. We didn't go from the Model T to "what if we didn't have to shift manually" and then boom the planetary gearset. It came from small and incremental upgrades an inventions over time. Pretty much all inventions are people taking existing technology and slowly building on it over time to eventually create something that we have today.
this guy was really good at his job. he reverse psychologyed lip with him knowing by speaking to his ego
When your smarter than everyone, you like a challenge. And making it big in life and still being your happy self w/o a beuracratic degree is true success to us.
"us" lmao
@@brandonborgerding182 right? 😂 Super cringe.
250 words is hardly a paragraph let alone an essay
What's up with America and it's essays.
I tried watching shameless and made it halfway through the first season. I would love to watch all of the scenes and stories Lip is in strung together in one long story. That would be worth watching.
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Modifying algorithms is thinking for yourself... just saying
it was hard to watch that as bright as Lip was , the Gallagher blood inside him constantly derailed him from his potential
250 words is a paragraph not a fucking essay.
That’s how most college supplementals be
Them referencing C3PO aged differently as now Ian is in the Star Wars Jedi Games
I thought the interview was going to be a frequent character of the series but sadly it was just in this one scene.
The cold cruel reality is that it takes more than brains or even genius to succeed. It takes the ability to believe that you can succeed and some amount of positive social interaction.
Why’s everyone acting like lip didn’t amount to anything, he was a top mechanic at Born Free cycles !
I consider myself a non-stupid person, average intelligence, but movies and tv shows do make me wish I was smarter so academics would come much easier for me.
me, a non-genius, i have difficulty with all these Good Will Hunting Beautiful Mind characters that all claim that classes are useless. well without books and classes/teachers to teach the stuff in the books, how else do you learn the basis for what you want to do? how are you going to accomplish anything in your lab unless you somehow had someone or something teach you a foundation of knowledge first? can you imagine a high school student saying he just wants to do the surgeries without having to go to med school first?
A beautifull mind was based on John Forbes Nash life. Nash was skipping classes at Princeton when he was doing his Phd. His work earned him the Nobel prize in physics. Nash was one of those that the brain was even faster than those at Princeton.
@@derekb.e1151 my guess is he probably picked up a math book or two and went to some classes at some point to learn what he knew. no matter how smart a person is, their knowledge of things don't just magically appear in their heads w/o learning it somehow.
I love how RUclips recommends "Mac Stupidity Compilation" (from IASIP) for my next video