Not South Asian media. And if you read the magazines in the western world or internet trolls they are mean too. People try to make out Indians are obsessed with colour when it is not the case-Most of the famous actresses and actors are gorgeously dark, and not painted light. A controversial cream called fair and lovely not white and lovely is sued to remove tanning-yes dark people burn too. But whilst India gets a bad name based on a fake narrative, esp with silly comedians following the western template to get views will spread this fake narrative-KOrean dramas and people, chinese, thai etc etc blatantly discriminate and openly show dark as filthy-I mean the western world have skid marks and recently got into wet wiping not water cleaning like the eastern world does-the world is terribly arrogant condescending and hypocritical because they are not told the truth about the past.
Stop the bullying Stop the hate Stop being toxic Stop cyber bullying Stop harassing Stop following/chasing/stalking Stop being disrespectful Stop being disgusting Stop being anti fans Stop picking on people due to weight, skin type, eyes, hair and or pairing Stop trying to get personal information Stop calling idols Stop tracking Stop hotel mobbing Stop airport mobbing Stop sexually harassing/assaulting idols
Sadly it will not stop :{ firstly, the agents will push for more star power, then the press will jump on anything the fans or anti fans have to say :{ The fans will respond with their own selfish desires on what they wish to see ie comments on looks and body types. Its rinse repeat. Some crazy sad people out there. So these actors , once aware of the dark side need to keep healthy minds as well as bodies because they chose this route into acting. But the paradox is they need the fans.
I remember seeing a video about Apo when people make fun of his appearance of being dark skinned or how he sounded like a girl and he didn't let it get to him he refused to change for anyone. And that's what made me respect him even more. True fans of BL should not hate on these poor actors it's hard enough they go through enough pressure trying to look good for a fantasy we have to remember that these guys are human. They deserve respect and they have every right to have a personal life if they want to get married have children so be it they should be allowed to live their lives in peace.
The shipping is ridiculous. This has to be a culture thing because you don't see this heavily in western media. There's a clear separation between the characters on screen and off. This has to be the one I don't understand the most. People go crazy if they see on screen actors kissing or doing fan service off screen and it makes no sense to me. Appreciate the chemistry on screen but after the show is over let them live their lives.
Yeo. But I think it was disrespectful when the author said Yoon and Zee, whom both have firmly multiple times confirmed they are dating their partner, and the author was calling it part of fan service.
I thought it was weird too when I first started watching Thai drama's. But I now understand it's part of the entertainment culture there, and that a certain amount of revenue for studios and actors is dependent on it, as they don't have the same insane budgets that western studios have. And pairings working together on multiple projects is really no different from actors doing 5+ seasons of a show together in the US. That being said I think it definitely goes WAY too far. I'm fine with actors playing to the camera if both parties are on board and comfortable with it, and fans see it as just that, playing between friends and co-stars. It's like the actors are gently teasing us, we gently tease them back, in a tongue and cheek way. The actors get fed the attention and exposure they want, fans get fed entertainment. As long as the fans attention is innocent and amicable that's fine. But it's never okay to stalk or harass anyone, body shame them or prevent them from living their lives and having relationships. At the end of the day we are only entitled to what the actors are willing and happy to share and fans need to respect that.
@@masonc8140 I don't have a problem with the actors doing it if they're okay with it I think Perth said it best in one of his QA vids. As long as nobody is getting hurt. and the same actors across multiple shows is np either I think the fans take it too far and that leads the fan service to feed into the delusion as well.
@@AdamonXC Yes I agree, the fans often take it too far. I think when two "ship" actors have a genuine friendship or bond it's just as entertaining and endearing to see as their on screen drama, fans don't need to force them together romantically. I think it would be great if we could normalize affection between male friends the same way we do between female friends. No one thinks twice when two female friends hold hands, link arms, tickle each other, hug or kiss on the cheek. Girls can play, tease and be affectionate and it not mean anything. A lot of things labeled as 'fan service' are things girls do with friends all the time. It would be great if guys could do that too if they want to, without judgement or assumptions, and If BL actors could always be open about their relationships like "we're just friends and it's okay for friends to show affection." That would be far less pressure for them I think, and a clear distinction for fans.
I really respect you for actually addressing all of these sensitive issues that most fans don't want to talk about or acknowledge. You're a true fan!!!!!!
OMG the whole thing recently with bright having to APOLOGISE publically for being in a relationship, and the fan groups getting completely bent out of shape. Sad parasocial silliness. Its so strange to me.
That's part of the problem. The actors create situations that drive the fans wild. Read the comments in any series and it becomes clear many fans don't know when to stop. If the actors are going to entice the fans, they should keep it real.
Thank you for creating this. I believe we as fans need to create a movement where we promote healthy forms of behavior and fandoms. We as fans of BL/Gl need to realize we are truly supporting lbgtq+ entertainment need to promote that. Whether we are members of the community or allies, we need to be promoting and supporting inclusion for all. As in entertainment of the past an actors personal and sexual preferences has nothing to do with the characters they play. For many, many years members of the lgbtq+ community had to hide their identity, play cisgender characters and pretend to be cisgender in real life. I find it absolutely absurd and ironic that today’s BL/GL actors have to do the complete opposite and play that they, themselves are members of the lgbtq+ community and not just the characters they play. This is still conforming to the homophobic narrative that has been around for seemingly eons. Don’t get me started on the color washing and features. It also is continuing the colonizer mentality. Anyway, I appreciate your video and hope that we can create a community of fans that respect each other and respect our entertainers’ personal space and personal lives. Isn’t one of the reasons we enjoy this form of entertainment because we are tired of toxicity?
6 месяцев назад+1
yes same here I hate toxic People so tired of them enough is enough
I am really sorry for all of them :( The people who call themselves "fans" are cruel in the whole world. They have no respect for these actors and they have no respect for their private life. They forget that these boys are human and that they have the right to live their own life. Especially since their life is not very easy because of the big lack of tolerance of most population in all world countries. I am already an older woman but I am fully open for any skin's colour, religion or gender. I recognise only good and bad people - nothing more and I am really sorry that many people think different.
It's really so sad. I am so grateful for these actors and idols giving us entertainment, support and bits of their life time. They really help me getting through hard times. I would be so embarrassed of myself if I would treat them like objects or like some dancing monkey to command via money or bullying. It hurts me seeing them getting hurt by such ignorant people.
I really hate it when narcissistic fans are being like that please 🙏🙏🙏 some Asian fans you have got to change and appreciate these Actors and Artists cause they really try their best to make us happy 😢
6 месяцев назад+3
yes same here hate it so many fans go over the line
@@EuniceNominee It's objectification of a kind. Similar to how heterosexual men watch lesbian porn, heterosexual women watch BL. None of them see actors as human beings. BTW, interesting side-effect is that being an actual lesbian in lesbian porn or an actual RL gay in a BL is a disqualifying factor. So far, there are only several open gay actors in the Thai BL industry and all of them play "femboy" bottoms.
Anyone who commits an offense such as sexual assault, stalking, trespass, libel, slander, and so on would be arrested and or sued. Perhaps serve jail time. Fans who do this, should pay for their crimes. The actor's management should be doing more to protect their clients. Honestly, I think it's management organizations who are stripping these actor's of their dignity especially when forcing them to be shipped so aggressively and demanding physical modifications to suit their industry beauty standards.
It's complicated. Apparently, actors don't get much (if any) money off of screening itself. This so-called "fan service" is how they actually earn their compensation. Therefore, pretending they are in love off-screen is a part of the job. And that's why actors agree to put up with this abuse. I wouldn't blame any particular organization but the entire business model has to go.
Also a problem is providing evidence of the assault as well because some of these assailants are powerful figures and they have the power to threaten them and black list them.
PS: I think that the Crazed Overzealous Fans, Stalkers, Netizens, Haters and Predators towards these Celebrities should be tracked down, sued and jailed. When tried and convicted they are put in prison. Production companies shouldn't be overzealous when promoting their stars and idols. They should be held accountable and financially responsible if anything bad would ever happen to them.
Exactly as much money as the entertainment industry makes, you would think that they would invest in high security because what Apo explained at 5:48 is truly disturbing beyond measures. what if somebody killed him and P'Mile? Because similar to the movie and music industry around the world there have been incidents in which very deranged fans/stalkers have killed these entertainers
luckily some companies start to do that now. should have been earlier but I feel like this hate wave only started to become more with them becoming internationally popular. i feel like most of it comes from interfans (not just the west tho, asian non-thai fans are interfans too). or maybe it's just because I see the interfan side in this. but i feel like companies didn't expect this to happen and now are overwhelmed and don't know what to do. I mean even in the west we still have to educate companies on how to manage their social media pages properly.
This is a terrible situation and fans need to understand that actors are real human beings. Just like every single person. They’re actors nothing more. Please fan stop stupid rumors and harassing these poor souls. 😢😢😢😢😢😢
The actors put so much effort into their roles and entertain us with their acting skills. I want to let them know that all fans are not the same. I personally respect their talent and reject the negativity that some fans display. Keep up the great acting that you all do and know that this fan respects each and every one of you. What you do and how you manage your life is your own business. Don’t let them pull you down’
It’s because these companies know that many fans can’t seperate ‘actors’ portraying a fictional BL character in a TV series from their real life. So they take advantage of it by requiring actors to pretend to be romantically interested in their costars in order to promote the series through fan service. And they also make money at fan service events through merchandising & advertisements. This doesn’t happen to Western actors as when they do interviews it’s about the tv series, the message of the series, their characters. They have regulations in place to protect the actors being taken advantage of and also their private lives are off limits. Fans themselves are to blame because they want them to be together in real life ignoring the fact they’re actors & have seperate private lives. The majority of BL actors are straight but regardless their personal lives are their own business not the fans. The whole BL industry is disturbing on so many levels, from both companies exploiting the actors & the fans not respecting the actors person lives. As well as requiring actors to be ‘whitewashed’ which is a huge problem across Asia.
Yes i am from india and india no any actor's does fan service and no one force them to do fan service and they work as a freelancer actors they are not under any company so they have to deal with fan service but i am scared that many Indians watch drama from korea,china,and Thailand were fan service is common i hope they don't demand such things in India too
I think there's some deep seated homophobia that even they don't realize. They think if you CAN kiss another guy then you have to be gay or bi and combining that with the fan service and continuing to work together for years, they just assume with absolutely no evidence that they are real. But it all starts with the fact that straight guys don't kiss another guy bc that would be gross... Get what I'm saying?
@@A-NI-YAit all started with Johnny Kitagawa. He was a p3do and started an entertainment company of jpop boy groups and his exact formula is what the kpop industry uses. The entire entertainment company structure is founded off of something that was MEANT for corruption. Kpop got it from jpop and Johnny and Thailand got it from kpop. Entertainment companies are created for an evil purpose. Actors should all be independent and audition for movies/series made by production companies, but these companies shouldn't "own" actors. Fan service needs to stop and to not be expected either, and actors shouldn't be kept with the same bl costar. If they want to do more than one bl then they should audition and pick individuals who are best for the role, not whole couples. It is about chemistry, but actors can have chemistry with more than one person, so switch it up!
It's practically happening everywhere in my opinion I feel the worst of it is happening in the music industry especially K-pop those entertainers have it the worst .
I think the treatment that these actors receive is sad. I know it's been going on throughout entertainment history and will never change. You can see why some just leave that life behind. Our loss....
1. There's a lot of homophobes in the BL fandom, and you can tell who they are because they believe everything is fan service and everyone is straight. 2. Not everything is fan service and not every moment is romantic. Fans often create the romance and fan service because the read too much into everything these actors do. 3. A lot the guys are Close Friends, so stop accusing them of doing fan service because you're uncomfortable with male intimacy. 4. A person's sexuality is None Of Your Business; however... 5. Stop assuming Everyone is straight just because the person hasn't come out. It's not easy being an openly queer actor, which is why some live in glass closets. PP has never said he's gay, but unless you're obtuse, it's very obvious. You can be gay just don't talk about it. 5. Bisexuality is a thing but a LOT of fans don't seem to realize that people can like more than one gender. 6. There are some real couples in the BL industry. It's the little barely noticeable things that most people rarely notice.
THIS TOO ! yes (but I don't felt that was indicated by the video, still good to mention). also 7. polyamory and open relationships can be a possible thing too but yea people already struggle with grasping bi- or pansexuality + bonus: just because someone has a romantic partner in RL doesn't mean they must be jealous of an actors work partner, the possibility that they support that or could be even into that is also an option but nobody considers and always need the confirmation of the RL romantic partner as if they had some ownership over their lover or whatever mindset these fans have (but only if they are same sex, none of the fans cares if it's a het relationship... the double standards
And some people don't want to be labeled. They just want to love whoever they want to love without being judged by fans, the industry and the society. Sometimes I wonder if fans think that an actor doesn't know his partner's relationships.
This came from Perth who played in Kinporche, 85 to 90% of BL actors are straight. The problems reside solely with the industry pairing up the actors and the ones like Bright/Win, Earth/Mix who bring in money are kept together. The actors have very little say in how much fan service they have to do, most are friends and are just winding up the fans because it's their way of dealing with the bullying for them to be in a relationship off camera. Call it what you want 1 & 2 as well as War of Y have shown what the industry is truly like. Sadly they prefer porn over plot and having realistic stories.
It’s good you’re making people aware of this. People should not be shaming any of these guys or putting such unrealistic pressure on them to meet this fantasy of perfection. The saddest thing is that this is a real issue in the gay world too - with there being so much pressure on young gay men to look and be perfect. But coming back to BL actors, let’s focus on their talent as actors and not be so petty and judgmental about their looks. Let’s support their careers and give them love for success and stop focusing so much on their looks. They are people too and deserve better treatment. ❤
6 месяцев назад+13
Bright and Win have always said they are friends and people got crazy because Bright said he and Nene were dating and people were acting like the whole world was falling apart so ridiculous Bright and Win were never real couple just good friends people need to learn the truth from fiction
Honestly the creepy obsession with the actor's real lives is one of the main things that has prevented me from joining any BL fandom. I'll watch the shows, but until things seriously change with the fan culture I'm not going to engage.
Its just so sad how they have to go threw that because of the industry who puts them threw that just to make the money. I just hope that its gets better for them, but honestly i don't think it will.
Money always comes first in this industry, to the detriment of the actors mental health and physical well being. The only way it can change is through fans speaking up about it and that’s never going to happen..unfortunately.
Thank you for properly addressing the issue. You read my mind regarding the concern. Ghere are idiots of fans but there are gems of fans too!! We cant just rule all of them as toxic you see.. What should we do to keep our stars safe around us and assure their lives be happy and peaceful?
Well, that doesn't just apply to BL. It applies to everyone who works in the entertainment industry. Male and female alike. Singers and actors all over the world. Models or even just successful people, everyone is judged more positively if they look good. What about you, would you see them as idols if they looked average? A sincere answer.
Yes , de personages van een serie of film maken net iemand mooi of onuitstaanbaar. niet hoe ze er werkelijk uitzien . vroeger waren acteurs niet de mooiste personen. dat waren enkel modelen voor in de boekjes. jammer dat in deze tijd er te veel aandacht naar uiterlijk gaat en niet naar het innerlijke en het aanvaarden van je eigen looks. ik heb altijd mijn kinderen die nu jonge adults zijn gezegd dat ze zichzelf en anderen moeten aanvaarden zoals ze zijn .kwa geaardheid of etniciteit.als moeder vind ik dit verschrikkelijk dat acteurs zich zo moeten veranderen . laat die mensen zichzelf zijn en een eigen leven leiden naast de sets. Wat als iedereen in de wereld het zelfde er zou uitzien , dat zou toch saai zijn . Niet ?
This is talking about bl specifically and there are things in this video that are specific to bls. Either way, none of it is ok and anyone who says what did you expect or you signed up for this is wrong. Just bc something is the way it is, doesn't mean it is right and we should always strive to make things better.
All the things mentioned are not happening only in the BL industry, it happens in the whole entertainment industry. Things used to be much darker 10 or more years ago but the situation has improved due to awareness of the issues and the authorities taking action to protect celebrities.
At 3:08, one of the couples showed are Junseung and Seongho. They are NOT actors, but an actual gay couple, that met on the dating show, "Hisman2", and they have been together ever since. So, no "fantasy" there...
4:39 People need to relax. Did they think the actors were actually dating or something? I think they need someone to sit them down and explain to them it's not real. It's just not real. Sometimes, people just need to acknowledge that what they see in shows are not what are actual happening in real life, I feel so bad for actors that have to go through this.
sounds disappointing, but body shaming is not only a BL issue. Apo is gorgeous. I was really pleased to see his darker skin. I find it disheartening to see unnaturally white facial makeup. Natural skin tone, please! Fan Service should be only to a level the actors are comfortable with. Pretending to be romantically involved with an acting partner, or being forbidden from having a real relationship is not a good thing. However if a pairing wants and is comfortable with being close and finds it reassuring or gets the benefit of being close friends, I object to fans calling it out. It should be the actors who make those decisions. The problem is with Fans. There needs to be more enforcement of proper behavior and intolerance of obsessive actions. Even on SNS it is not ok to break reasonable standards of polite behavior. These are actors. They have lives. Be a responsible fan. The KP situation with the authors was appalling. And damaged the careers of some of the actors. I was very proud of Jeff for speaking out to protect Barcode who was a minor.
I am feeling really bad about these problems how can the criticized there appearance and colour and no one can involve in someone love life or personal life it's there decision to whom they want to live and it's very rediculous thing to misbehave and sexual harrasment towards acters. Although they are acters they are also a human. We can't force them to be with whom we want and we have no right to judge on their relationship these things are very terrible 😔
for me as a European, this post is very shocking. Something like this is unimaginable here. This hysteria, these malicious comments about skin colour, weight, marital status and whatever else is actually an actor's private matter. This fan service is the worst evil for me anyway. I don't think these young actors know what they are really letting themselves in for. Giving up their entire lives was definitely not planned. If you look closely, you will never see some actors who were good again after a film. Not everyone is so robust to get through it without suffering any damage. Many young people have been destroyed. Let's think of Bad Buddy, for example, a great film, but the two main actors were worn out. You so-called fans who think that you have bought the whole person with the film and a high-priced ticket to a fan meeting and who also claim every right to have a say in private: you are not fans, you are stalkers in the worst possible way. Greetings from Austria.
The industry has to take responsibility and guide how the actors are treated. Fans should have no input on actors real lives it’s crazy. Fan service should be banned! Fans need their own lives and not obsess over actors.
It’s disgusting, and naive people thinks these actors are actually together. I never ship even when the series is airing. These fans thinks by following these actors around for one photo they would impress them. People who do these stuff are stupid and have no life of their own.
It annoys me so much. A lot of viewers are actually straight girls that fetishises gay (only men with men) relationships, they become obsessed. Sometimes they are even homophobic in real life. That's the real problem. Actors are actors you know it's their job. Everyone deserves privacy. I never understood "fans" devastated when a "couple breaks up" when it's just 2 actors not working toguether anymore
That's how it is! For my part, a series ends and I turn the page. Almost 11 years watching BL and only in the first 3 did I believe in "fanservice." Now I don't even care, I only judge them by their series that many times they are neither good nor good acting but...... "the fanservice helps them" Sad and real. They are just actors, they had excellent chemistry but why so much drama? Why do I hate so much when they separate? Crazy people. The thing about being "homophobic" is what really bothers me... one doesn't even know who they are because they all eat from the BL world.
See, I'm also a BL Fan (straight girl) from past 6 years but I never love these fan services because you know I don't love when actors have to do the things which they don't wanted. And I know very well that actors are forced to do fan service, that's why I really don't like fan service at all. And for me it's like I pay attention to the story, acting, songs, characters not on Actor's who are acting in the series and their personal life, I don't have any interest with that what's going on in their personal life or whom they're dating in real life. In my opinion, they can date anyone they want
Thank you! Surprise is exactly who I was trying to recall. I didn't realize he was in 'The Sign'. I have got to get round to finally watching the series. I downloaded it after watching the first episode, but then got distracted by a shiny object and never returned to watch the remaining episodes.
Very happy to have these things talked about! One error: When talking about Earth from 2Moons2, Bas is shown, not Earth. Though they played the same character, Bas was in 2Moons and Earth in 2Moons2 and it was Earth (not Bas) who was the victim of the SA.
It's disappointing to see this kind of pressure placed on them. I definitely do not support this kind of toxic culture. I genuinely appreciate every BL actor being able just be as they are and find it far more authentic and enjoyable just being the best versions of who they are and bring their talent to the role. I don't want every set of BL leads to be a barely perceptible physical difference in body type/shape, skin tone, facial features, etc. from one set of ML couples to the next. I want for them to be happy and enjoy the art they are creating for us and not becoming resentful and miserable doing something they love to try to meet some absurd and watered down copy paste singular idea of a character aesthetic. Seeing many of the actors in their real lives on their socials all looking like the exact same cookie cutter of a pale manga-type paper doll in K-Pop star type fits is not unique or interesting and it makes them just lose their own identities. You don't see them really express themselves and you can tell they are being pressured to look certain ways because it's reflected in their posts. It's sterile and inauthentic and I don't even recognize most of them at all. They can look so different that I wouldn't even recognize them as being the leads I fell in love with in the series I have seen them as in their earlier works. And f#@% all those creeps that were harassing the actors with inappropriate behaviors.
this all left me so stunned ............... they are just actors, not the characters after all........ now I am liking my Indian culture more where we accept actors with their family lives wholeheartedly ............. this is getting so beyond limits !!!!!!
I really don't understand the differenciation between light and dark skin. It has the opposite effect on me, because the darker skin catches my eyes because there are so few characters with it. But in the end, I don't care, their skill and talent is more important for me. I gladly watch the content the actors provide themselfs, that's enough. They need free and private time and should do what they want to do with it! I don't care if they are dating, which orientation they identify or if they give "fan service", I want a good series to binge, to talk and squeel about. That's all! It is just work, in the end. I'm still friendly and polite when I see my customers after work, but I don't want to drink a coffee with them, you know? And the thing with weight and looks and such.... You don't need to like everything, but don't go about it and spreed hate. I don't like some looks, but if the actor is doing his job ( getting the emotions through the screen), I don't mind the little things. I would never commend on the body weight of someone, I have my fair share of insecurities about it and I'm just a normal human being, not an actress. Just enjoy their skills and talents and be happy that so many people still work in this genre and provide us with amazing shows like My Stand-In and Only Boo.
I can't imagine the burnout some of these actors must be feeling. their whole lives have to be an act because they always have to be gushing about their on-screen partners like they're actually in a real relationship when we, realistically, know most bl actors are either straight and/or never were in a relationship with their ship partners. not only are they always pigeon-holed into playing basically the same character/dynamic over and over again, but they have to act with the same person or else there will be public outcry. Don't get me wrong, these actors probably really like their on-screen partner and feel really comfortable around them. but be fr, any serious actor (who isn't just doing it for money, but because they love acting) isn't going to be satisfied acting with the same love interest, in a similar role, their whole career. yet shipping has gotten so out of control, that it's expected that if your drama is popular, you will most likely be stuck with that person until the end.
#notoleranceoffakeandobsessedfans I hope these fans face retribution, our idols deserve to have their own privacy and opinions, they also deserve love from us as true fans regardless of their skin, size and looks. Honestly, some of these haters are just probably jealous that our idols are better looking and more successful than they can ever be. Let's support our idols together!!!!!!😊😊😊
Outrageous!! These actors have to put up with so much nonsense. People need to grow up and get a life. Actors have lives too. Fans are suppose to support them not harass, threaten and interfere in their private life.
Can you call yourself a fan if you're a bully? I have my favorites, of course, but I don't go after the actors I don't care for. I just watch the ones I like the most. We need to stop calling these toxic bullies "fans." Let's start there ourselves. Call them trolls and haters, not fans.
For me i watch a show i appreciate the actors and their chemistry i move on to another show.But at times they can't really put all the blames on fans some actors take the fan service to far,and it makes the fans get delusional i feel actors should create a bit boundaries too when their are doing fanservices too.
I feel so bad for the actors when they have to deal with all the crap. It makes me appreciate their efforts and talents even more. There's been a number of BL series about some of this stuff, now, and it makes me so angry at the abuser character when the abuse is portrayed in the show. ALL of these actors have my respect for everything they endure to make these shows come to life. Body shaming is a horrific things for anyone to have to endure. I'm always so grateful when I see a character that doesn't match the expected model-ready physique. We need MORE characters that are "normal" looking. The same thing goes with filters on faces - I have notice more and more natural shots showing up recently and it's a welcomed change. The "Me Too" movement in the west has brought to light how much abuse there is by people of power, here. I know it's the same everywhere, and it's so sad that people have to endure that to make it in the industry. What we need is for ALL actors to boycott working for productions that use this practice. It would be too easy to say to those who were abused that they should have just walked away, because that's not fair for them and their career. But what angers me more are the managers of these actors who turn a blind eye to these abuses. I've seen them portrayed as a "second mom", but seriously they are driven by money and success, so is anyone surprised that they don't protect these actors, especially the younger ones? I've been so happy to see more recent changes in some BLs, where the one who is perceived to be smaller, weaker is the top, etc. Welcomed changes. I'd love to see a strong effeminate character take the lead in, and be the dominant character, more. I have to wonder if straight culture is driving the stereotypes in the industry. Perhaps some lgbtq+ education is needed. Fans are the key to change for much of this. WE need to be the change. WE need to push for change. And we need to support all of those actors, especially when they exert control of their personal lives.
You hit on so many good points. When i was watching We Are and looking at the extras who were darker and were what i think Thai people look like it is sad to think that background extra, market seller, rural worker and criminal are the roles they will get. You didnt touch on money. Apparently BL roles pay peanuts and the 'fanservice' is to help get sponsorship. it feels like slave labour/sex work.
So much to say about this…. I’ve only started watching C & K dramas (now also Thai & BL’s) in the last 6 months and it became quickly apparent how openly abused these actors are and how they have to live their lives walking a minefield of rigid expectations, from fans to their agencies to the government. It’s ironic in that I read so many comments from “netizens” who claim to love their actors/actresses and yet, the slightest mistake (PERCEIVED mistake or choice that is considered taboo), and netizens show their true colors as demanding, immature, selfish, malicious and unhappy pirhanas just waiting to devour those they “claim” to adore. These HUMAN BEINGS, gift us with their hard work and amazing talents, we should be thankful for the “entertainment” they give us all. I always laugh at the “white” is better mentality. I also wonder WHERE that idea comes from and why??? 🧐. For me, all of the actors I enjoy from each country are attractive specifically BECAUSE of their “individual” & unique traits. Tan Jianci is hounded because of his height, his teeth, his nose?? Lol. But his appeal to me is his talent. What makes him so compelling has nothing to do with his looks (but I find him hot), it has to do with his PRESENCE, his aura and intensity of his personal energy. The criticisms he’s endured and overcome through the years have given him that internal strength and that CONFIDENCE is very attractive. Bible, Apo, Boss, Noeul, Metawin (many Thai actors too many to name), Korean, Woo Do Hwan, Ahn Bo hyun, to mixed looking like Chinese Song Wei Long, to lesser known actors like Lin Ze Hui, to those considered “imperfect” for weird reasons like Tan or Zhang Ruoyun whom I find very attractive because again, his intensity, energy & aura are very magnetic in his acting, are ALL special in their own way. JOL 1 & 2 were a surprise to me becoming my favorite C drama so far even though theres not a lot of action or your typical hot guy lineup in it. It’s his PRESENCE (like Tan’s in Lost You Forever) that appeals and you don’t become so superficially attached to looks alone but emotionally invested in the character…. Almost all of the Thai BL’s I’ve watched had actors with the same talent of grabbing your heart and squeezing it! Ha ha ha. But people MUST understand its fiction. Take the life lessons from these dramas to become more self-aware, kind, open minded but then release these people, don’t hold them hostage attacking them because you’re unhappy. The rabid obsession and unrealistic expectations, the clinging and feelings of “possession” are a side effect of living in a dualistic society that DEMANDS perfection while also restricting or monitoring every word or free creative expression, and the ability to truly LIVE any way you want to be happy. Alllllllll of that intense emotion that is suffocated has to go somewhere & sadly, it explodes all over other people that the depressed and suppressed see as the only joy in their lives. It’s VERY difficult to live your life in 100% strict self-control all the time so you don’t get in trouble, stressful and keeps one in a state of fear and agitated. Any release one can find to let out all their love, joy, excitement or, anger, resentment, even grief is an avenue many will take to cope with their unhappy lives. Fear and resentment are projected onto their heros they see as living the “best life”, then jealousy rears its ugly head and they lash out, happy to see their idols fall and suffer with them. Its an act of confusion and intense pent up emotion heartbreakingly directed at those who are only human too…. Forgiveness, compassion, empathy, awareness that these are “people” with flaws, desires, emotions, fears, dreams just like all of us, will free one from the constant battle for joy and contentment in life. Don’t keep looking for it in others, find it within yourself and follow your own passions. Having said all of that, they have no right to judge, shame, bully, demand anything from their idols. At the end of the day, no matter what country you live in, every person is a free, sovreign individual entitled to live their own lives however they choose. For the sake of these lovely people I really hope these harmful attitudes change soon. I look at my faves from China, Korea & Thailand and see their beautiful energy but yet, there seems to also be an aura of sadness around them at times, a reservation that dims their light - fear. The eyes are sooooo magnificient and expressive, I see it there…. It’s like caging gorgeous angels and clipping their wings so others can enjoy looking at them, not understanding that now their true essence and beauty have been destroyed….The most beautiful things in this world MUST be free to be truly appreciated in all their glory. Then the light they shine is blinding. As it should be…. I will continue to watch K, C Thai dramas and support my faves however I can with love, respect and appreciation for their talent, hard work and beauty - just as they are.
I haven't read all of this. I'll come back and read it later, but I wanted to respond to your "white is better" part. I think it comes from the fact that if someone has a tan it is thought that they work out in the hot sun so they are lower class people, whereas the rich hire people (the ones who become dark skinned) to do these jobs for them. I think white skin is just mentally associated with higher class, wealthy people. 🤷🏽♀️
Well the mentality about skin color makes sense in their culture, because it was like that in the past. Rich people did not spent a lot of time in sun light, and farmers did so they tanned more. They kind of base their casting and thinking on that. But it's the same in multiple countries.
Oh these people seriously need help it's called acting for a reason . I personally don't agree with fan service because the actors are crossing a line that is not good for them personally. I so hope that's THAILAND'S PRECIOUS GOAT is not treated in such a disrespectful way if he was subjected to such behaviour now that would be upsetting. Thank God I'm in the 🇬🇧 because my point of view is those fan's are Bat Shit crazy 🇬🇧.
I won't believe it until they stop acting together. When they act with others, kiss and so on...maybe then I will believe that they are "A real couple." For now everything seems like "fanservice" to me. But only God knows....
If there is something you wouldn't do to your closest friends and family, why do it to others? What does make people go to extremes like this? It is wrong. Celebrities are people too
I think all of the issues you mentioned are a reality of the entertainment industry. And because of such issues and many more that you didn’t mention, it is a very rough industry in any country.
BrightWin separation has to be the most mature and least dramatic one of all. Bl fans have to understand the difference between reel life and real life and respect the boundaries.
I am particularly sensitive to the desire for the whitest East Asian actors possible. As a Western, Caucasian male, I wasted a third of my early life lying in tanning beds out of fear of being labeled 'pasty'. Ironic, isn't it? Also, I despise most forms of fan service. I want to know authentic people and not some scripted, fantasized character. Gay, straight, single or coupled, no one should be pressed to conform to an identity they are not.
0:07 tbh, 'body shaming' or the need to monitor weight and their looks at all times comes with the job. young actors/actresses and 'celebrities' are subjected to this scrutiny on a regular basis - not just BL actors. if you make money by looking beautiful or handsome (plus some real other talents) then this is the price you have to pay. BL actors can't really complain about this. all the other points raised are very disturbing and both fans and more importantly, productions companies and their key people including authors/writers and directors, have to get better a lot. exploiting young actors/actresses and their vulnerable position during casting and their desire to land a role is one of the most despicable things people in power can do.
Just bc that's the way it is doesn't make it ok. The body shaming and even the companies themselves push it to unhealthy levels. I don't care if that's the way it is. It needs to change.
@@Sssidk tell that the viewers or the public too. most actors are 'famous', in demand or become a celebrity because of their looks - having the right talents is a basic necessity. there are so many actors and [in theory] only talented ones are considered but among all the talented actors the audience (and therefore the producers, casting agencies etc) most often pick the pretty ones - at least when their good looks are required for the role or some other interests (like promotions etc). ofc there have always been actors who managed to carve out some niche/reputation/demand for their special looks, e.g. as dwarf or with a unique face which isn't particularly pretty etc but they are few and far between a sea of very beautiful actors
Thank you for highlighting this important aspect of BL actors' careers. There was an actor in Secret Crush On You whose character and storyline kept intimating that he was sensitive about being overweight. He was the most beautiful person in the entire series. (I wish I remembered his name.) If that's being overweight, sign me up.
Creo que probablemente te refieres al actor Pittikorn Siripornsawan (Surprise) que interpretaba a Kaojhao / Jao el amigo de Toh y que era pareja secundaria junto a Sky. Tienes razon para nada era gordo, es un chico muy lindo y el ha trabajado últimamente en la serie The Sign, en el papel de Singh, es uno de los investigadores del equipo.
fans are problem for sure but actors and companies encourage actors to behave lovey dovey infront of fans and than they over do it and when its create problems they blame fans if u know your series is good people will watch it give interviews like friends or co actors but they behave like we are dating it just make the situation worse its a fault from both sides fans and actors.
I love Gawins teeth (first time I saw him smile I audibly said "now that's an American smile if I've ever seen one") and his look as a whole. Thailand is very ethnically and visually diverse and it's nice to see leads with such varying types of handsomeness
Even everything is awful, i think the main reason is how much the actors depend on fans. The promotion of the series, their earnings or food is taken care by these fans. The companies don't put money for marketing or catering during filming, also some actor don't get país for the work but earn money from being the brand of different products after the series get famous
I enjoy watching BL ,specially if the two actor are in good chemistry,sometimes we imagine that they have a relationship,but we didnt know whats real,they are actor we know that,if we like to idolized them just focus to their acting,not to their private life,or their appearance ...most important if they watched them together even have or no intimate realtionship, you feel happy...respect them .
These actors work very hard and are talented. Yes they look good, but I feel that they shouldn't have to do much to make them into the characters that they portray. They have their own lives separate from their characters and I appreciate them very much.
I agree all of this is disgraceful and no one should be made to do anything they don’t want to or endure harassment and false allegations from “fans” and people in positions of power-but why did you have to say that Zee and NuNew “even CLAIM to be in a real relationship”? I get it that obligatory fan service isn’t good, but it’s still understandable and absolutely conceivable that some of these men could ACTUALLY fall in love, sheesh!
The issues that you mentioned tar actors of BL face, are not specific to that genre or that country. These sort of issues and many more, not mentioned in your video, are common in the entertainment industry across genres and across countries all of the world. What is referred to as shipping in Thailand, is done by fans in the US and sometimes these fans did everything that you mentioned to their favorite actors for all the same reasons, but these fans were not called shippers and the culture around such inappropriate behavior exhibited by fans towards actors/musicians/other celebrities, wasn’t called shipping, the inappropriate behavior fans were called stalkers and when they went to far in trying to engage their fave celebrity, it was called stalking. And when it started to to happen frequently, a few decades ago in the US, this behavior was not encouraged. US actors were not encouraged to give fan service, when they were not on set. When co stars, who an on screen couple, were together at fan events or just going about their private life they didn’t have to pretend to be a couple and they didn’t normally do so either. Even with that not being encouraged by the US culture as a whole, there were still fans that got upset about their favorite actors not behaving the way they wanted and then some fans resorted to the sort inappropriate behaviors that you described- spreading lies and rumors, stalking, being violent, etc, just being inappropriate and completely inappropriate of the lives they are disrupting by their selfish, delusional behavior. And as I was saying despite the genre, body shaming and sexual harassment are things any actor may have to deal with. It’s just the nature of the entertainment business. The industry judges all actors just as much, if not more so on their physical appearance than their acting talent. I don’t agree with many of the practices that are common to the business and I don’t think actors should be subjected to such things, but until there is a reform in the industry, this is what an actor signs up for. And I would hope that anyone considering a career in acting would stop and give it a lot of thought and prepare him/herself before going this career path. Well I have no answers about how to reform the industry and no judgments for those who choose acting. I just agree it’s a rough business and no one has the right to spread lies and rumors, be violent toward, invade the privacy of, sexually harass/assault or in any way hurt other people. But that is the world. People are not always considerate, never mind loving toward others. Selfishness is easy and some groups like Thai BL actors are put in the position of being easy targets, they are not the only group, just one of many, and that is unfortunate. You are making people aware. And sometimes that is all we can do to make the world a better place, make the public aware of the harm that happens behind closed doors and in public where any and everyone can see, but that no one pays attention to and/or thinks is acceptable and where some people actually think it’s their god given right to treat other people in such inappropriate ways. Well thanks for sharing, I found your video informative. And for what it’s worth I do see men in this industry and other industries within entertainment, how they are treated and how the world at large thinks it’s ok and it’s not. And I do what I can to promote awareness in hopes of changing hearts and minds and behaviors. Blessed be.
Скажу только одно,что не нужно ф.с. и никто не будет сходить с ума и не будет проблем ,по крайне меньше. Сначало компании морочат голову, а потом очень большие проблемы Мне очень жаль актёров,что страдают из за неадекватных фанатов.
That is a shame. No one should be treated thzt way. It is the opposite in USA. We lay out in the sun to get a dark tan. We want to be darker. The abuse that they take from so called fans and the stalking. That would not happen here. They would all get thrown in jail. Your country needs to protect you bettrr
Some of the "dark skinned" actors from the video don't even register as dark to me. They look great too. What a weird fixation to have. Diversity is way more attractive than having everyone look the same anyway.
Since watching asian Bls I discovered how toxic some fans are !! Plus if there wasn't this FAN SERVICE it would be much better !! Yes promote the series but once the series is over thats it. Also having the same two bl actors always being boyfriends in every series they do and mix it up not have the same to guys being lovers and no fan service may help Those sicko fans realise that the couples in a BL are just actors !! I am sorry but its the industry's fault, Here in the western world we see movies about gay couples ect ect and even the straight male/female stars in series or movies We don't carry on about if they are real or or not !! ONCE its over they move on to another project and we as movie goers and fans go see a new movie about them ITS called entertainment this fucked up fans that DON'T HAVE A LIFE AND LIVE THROUGH ACTORS LIVES NEED TO GROW UP !! THERE IS ENOUGH NASTINESS IN THE WORLD !! I WATCH Bls for the fun enjoyment and relax and take time out of the world around me !! These people that say and do all this shit to actors get a life learn respect understanding love kindness happiness love
The colour of someone’s skin should never be an issue we are all unique in our own way earth piripat is very handsome even with darker skin colour I love him and his series he’s in .even if he was black he would still be beautiful ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Been a fan's doesn't give you the right to look in to their private life, every one with their life style, love is love been man or woman, what meatt is their happess to me in person doesn't matter who you love, am just a fan's , if they is any fan's that doesn't not like their life style he or she is free to leave, and let them have their Pace, thanks, Eunice from Nigeria ❤ love you guys
This is not only the fault of the fans, it is not right for them to behave like a couple in front of the fans when a play is over. This so called fan service needs to be stopped.
It’s mainly the COMPANYS fault for doing this. However, crazy fans are always at fault. These “fans” are the reason these companies make their actors pretend to date. Some actors take it too far though. I’m glad that actors like Mew snapped out of it and told the truth.
I like fan service or rather actors just having fun together in a buddy or flirty way, but then it should be honest labeled as that. Which ironically most of the newer ones do! But fans still don't want to accept it when the actors clearly say they are just joking around and are just buddies or like brothers. fanservice can be fun for both sides if it wasn't for those who are toxic, overstep and demand...
It's horrible for them to subjected to that the men mentioned are really great actors who seem kind from interviews that I have seen and don't deserve to be violated and disrespected in these ways and they must be extremely strong to endure all that and wear a smile to follow there dream I respect them even more now I will continue to watch there series and root for them also I think that once they join a company that a bodyguard should be provided along with martial arts classes so they could defend themselves and maybe get a sense of security
The worst offenders were BrightWin!! Why go over the top with fan service then as if they really are in a real relationship because they’re not only lying to themselves but to the public??
You shippers are full of toxic masculinity which is why when you see two actors being intimate with each other you automatically assume that they are lovers,, when in reality they are just doing their job to promote a product or doing a photoshoot together....alot of the times the time the actors are cuddling because they have become close friends after spending years of working together but you toxic delusional people still assume it as romantic
They put pick os Bass and God from 2moons but did not mention about God actually suffering greatly because of some suspicios people behind the scene. He was avictim but fired without support and that is one of the reasons he does not do BL anymore, he does not want to have anything to do with the industry.
All very good points, and fans are very crazy, I'd also Like to add on that when a bl actor then does a series with an actress, they then get hate by fans, not just the actor but mainly the actress Film , Tu and more recently Prim are just some of the actresses that have all had hate comments thrown at them and worse from a few bits, that I've seen, all because according to fans they're "breaking the ship apart", how much more deluded can you get ?? Gmmtv wont break a bl couple unless the actors say so, eg nanon and ohm, An actor acting with an actress doing their jobs, maybe they wanted to try something new, but it also leans into the point of fans assuming their sexuality, unless they have explicitly stated then it's no ones business
Commenting on an actor's looks is rude and inappropriate, and it makes one wonder what these trolls actually look like themselves. A lot of fans take things way over the top. Thailand seems to be the worst offender. Their entertainment industry needs to change their priorities. These actors need respect and privacy, especially the younger ones.
i cant understand why some fanatics get mad when celebrities date or enter a relationship, they even call it cheating or a betrayal-like do they really believe they own the person? are they too much into a delusion that their celebrity crush would only be devoted to them when they're basically strangers? i mean, you can fantasize being the girlfriend/boyfriend whether your idol is in a relationship or not, like that's the point of a fantasy. fantasize all you want but don't delude yourself into thinking you're the real romantic partner just because they're nice or even slightly flirtatious to fans like you. you don't own them just because you supported their shows. they don't owe you anything. yes, you may have supported them but that was in exchange for their performance. they worked hard to entertain you. it's not like they did nothing or made no effort and you just showered them with love. it's a transaction so stop acting entitled and let them live and love whoever they want.
Ppl need to a life. These celebs are human with lives of their own. There's a saying believe half of what you read and even less of what you hear. This just shows me how ppl in power abuse their positions or quid quo pro. Fans must be truly bored with their lives if they are going to these extremes. Like I said they need to get a life of their own. Yes I am a fan of a lot of these wonderful actors but I respect for them as well
actors need fans.....but fans need to respect the actors they admire... all actors everywhere are asked to lose/gain weight for roles....part of the business as they say a camera adds 10 pounds...and all given stylists to do make-up/clothe them/etc......given lessons in acting/singing/dancing/answering press ques./etc.......part of the life....they all want the "fame/money" .....success means learning how to "navigate" the path to stardom
I was broke down when I saw this video cause its totally scary and horrible. I know I watch bl and it made me happy but when I slowly go through this bl world, slowly I knew about something black side of bl world. I really hate those people who went crazy about their( bl actors) personal things not only bl but also all the actor and actress.( In screen and off screen is different things) all the fans should note this words. They have their own life like us. I am just newly bl watcher I haven't gone that deep in this world and I may not understand those deep things but I know fantasy and reality is like sky and land. all the bl series firstly told us its just imaginary ,fantasy character. It is the show only for few moments of happiness for us. I don't think we should expect that in real life. I know we imagine or hope that character to be in real life but fans!!that is only fantasy world we can't have them in real life. In some cases maybe our fantasy comes true but its upon the actors and their life decision. We can just imagine or fantasized in our mind. When I knew that fans does that mean things that broke me. And please those addicted fans please you can imagine anything you like but come out from that world cause real is nothing like we imagine..!!
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Tbh body shaming is not just a problem in BL. Its a problem in asian media in general
It's a huge problem in Western culture, too, and in more than the media.
Body shaming is literally everywhere.People are too comfortable talking about other people’s body when they themselves look like ninja turtles
@@guinnmyahslaysstaymadomg so true 😂
@@guinnmyahslaysstaymadSo true 😂
Not South Asian media. And if you read the magazines in the western world or internet trolls they are mean too. People try to make out Indians are obsessed with colour when it is not the case-Most of the famous actresses and actors are gorgeously dark, and not painted light. A controversial cream called fair and lovely not white and lovely is sued to remove tanning-yes dark people burn too. But whilst India gets a bad name based on a fake narrative, esp with silly comedians following the western template to get views will spread this fake narrative-KOrean dramas and people, chinese, thai etc etc blatantly discriminate and openly show dark as filthy-I mean the western world have skid marks and recently got into wet wiping not water cleaning like the eastern world does-the world is terribly arrogant condescending and hypocritical because they are not told the truth about the past.
Stop the bullying
Stop the hate
Stop being toxic
Stop cyber bullying
Stop harassing
Stop following/chasing/stalking
Stop being disrespectful
Stop being disgusting
Stop being anti fans
Stop picking on people due to weight, skin type, eyes, hair and or pairing
Stop trying to get personal information
Stop calling idols
Stop tracking
Stop hotel mobbing
Stop airport mobbing
Stop sexually harassing/assaulting idols
Well said. Be a fan, not a fanatic support your actors no matter what they have a right to live their lives in peace.
Sadly it will not stop :{ firstly, the agents will push for more star power, then the press will jump on anything the fans or anti fans have to say :{ The fans will respond with their own selfish desires on what they wish to see ie comments on looks and body types. Its rinse repeat. Some crazy sad people out there. So these actors , once aware of the dark side need to keep healthy minds as well as bodies because they chose this route into acting. But the paradox is they need the fans.
I love you
Well said totally agree with you
Well said 👏🏻
The fact that fans should actually be supportive of who they are instead of doing all this bad things for god's sake 😭🤧
with fans like that they don't need enemies anymore....
So true, I hate these types of fans
@@HangryKitsuneI agree
I remember seeing a video about Apo when people make fun of his appearance of being dark skinned or how he sounded like a girl and he didn't let it get to him he refused to change for anyone. And that's what made me respect him even more.
True fans of BL should not hate on these poor actors it's hard enough they go through enough pressure trying to look good for a fantasy we have to remember that these guys are human. They deserve respect and they have every right to have a personal life if they want to get married have children so be it they should be allowed to live their lives in peace.
The shipping is ridiculous. This has to be a culture thing because you don't see this heavily in western media. There's a clear separation between the characters on screen and off. This has to be the one I don't understand the most. People go crazy if they see on screen actors kissing or doing fan service off screen and it makes no sense to me. Appreciate the chemistry on screen but after the show is over let them live their lives.
Yeo. But I think it was disrespectful when the author said Yoon and Zee, whom both have firmly multiple times confirmed they are dating their partner, and the author was calling it part of fan service.
@@tiffinyhunter5901 Agreed
I thought it was weird too when I first started watching Thai drama's. But I now understand it's part of the entertainment culture there, and that a certain amount of revenue for studios and actors is dependent on it, as they don't have the same insane budgets that western studios have. And pairings working together on multiple projects is really no different from actors doing 5+ seasons of a show together in the US. That being said I think it definitely goes WAY too far. I'm fine with actors playing to the camera if both parties are on board and comfortable with it, and fans see it as just that, playing between friends and co-stars. It's like the actors are gently teasing us, we gently tease them back, in a tongue and cheek way. The actors get fed the attention and exposure they want, fans get fed entertainment. As long as the fans attention is innocent and amicable that's fine. But it's never okay to stalk or harass anyone, body shame them or prevent them from living their lives and having relationships. At the end of the day we are only entitled to what the actors are willing and happy to share and fans need to respect that.
@@masonc8140 I don't have a problem with the actors doing it if they're okay with it I think Perth said it best in one of his QA vids. As long as nobody is getting hurt. and the same actors across multiple shows is np either I think the fans take it too far and that leads the fan service to feed into the delusion as well.
@@AdamonXC Yes I agree, the fans often take it too far. I think when two "ship" actors have a genuine friendship or bond it's just as entertaining and endearing to see as their on screen drama, fans don't need to force them together romantically. I think it would be great if we could normalize affection between male friends the same way we do between female friends. No one thinks twice when two female friends hold hands, link arms, tickle each other, hug or kiss on the cheek. Girls can play, tease and be affectionate and it not mean anything. A lot of things labeled as 'fan service' are things girls do with friends all the time. It would be great if guys could do that too if they want to, without judgement or assumptions, and If BL actors could always be open about their relationships like "we're just friends and it's okay for friends to show affection." That would be far less pressure for them I think, and a clear distinction for fans.
This is seriously disturbing. I didn't realise half of it. The industry and the "fans" are just horrible.
It's like Hollywood but 10 times worse
If the industry itself doesn't push these toxicity away, "fans" would continue spitting their bile
@@ladynikkieyou don’t know Hollywood if you’re saying this
@@ladynikkie Thank goodness, no one in Hollywood is mad enough to introduce the concept of "fan service" to the Western audience.
@@lamma746oh what I suppose you do? Please enlighten us about the entertainment industry and its dangers I have all day to listen 😒
0:08 Body Shaming
1:18 Discrimination
3:02 Fan Service
4:10 Single in Public
5:16 No Privacy
6:47 Rumors
7:34 Meddlesome Fans
8:30 Predator
I really respect you for actually addressing all of these sensitive issues that most fans don't want to talk about or acknowledge. You're a true fan!!!!!!
OMG the whole thing recently with bright having to APOLOGISE publically for being in a relationship, and the fan groups getting completely bent out of shape. Sad parasocial silliness. Its so strange to me.
The shipping and fan service should stop it's making crazy fans more delusional appreciate the on screen chemistry and leave it at that!
That's part of the problem. The actors create situations that drive the fans wild. Read the comments in any series and it becomes clear many fans don't know when to stop. If the actors are going to entice the fans, they should keep it real.
Thank you for creating this. I believe we as fans need to create a movement where we promote healthy forms of behavior and fandoms. We as fans of BL/Gl need to realize we are truly supporting lbgtq+ entertainment need to promote that. Whether we are members of the community or allies, we need to be promoting and supporting inclusion for all.
As in entertainment of the past an actors personal and sexual preferences has nothing to do with the characters they play. For many, many years members of the lgbtq+ community had to hide their identity, play cisgender characters and pretend to be cisgender in real life. I find it absolutely absurd and ironic that today’s BL/GL actors have to do the complete opposite and play that they, themselves are members of the lgbtq+ community and not just the characters they play. This is still conforming to the homophobic narrative that has been around for seemingly eons.
Don’t get me started on the color washing and features. It also is continuing the colonizer mentality.
Anyway, I appreciate your video and hope that we can create a community of fans that respect each other and respect our entertainers’ personal space and personal lives.
Isn’t one of the reasons we enjoy this form of entertainment because we are tired of toxicity?
yes same here I hate toxic People so tired of them enough is enough
I am really sorry for all of them :( The people who call themselves "fans" are cruel in the whole world. They have no respect for these actors and they have no respect for their private life. They forget that these boys are human and that they have the right to live their own life. Especially since their life is not very easy because of the big lack of tolerance of most population in all world countries. I am already an older woman but I am fully open for any skin's colour, religion or gender. I recognise only good and bad people - nothing more and I am really sorry that many people think different.
It's really so sad. I am so grateful for these actors and idols giving us entertainment, support and bits of their life time. They really help me getting through hard times. I would be so embarrassed of myself if I would treat them like objects or like some dancing monkey to command via money or bullying. It hurts me seeing them getting hurt by such ignorant people.
I really hate it when narcissistic fans are being like that please 🙏🙏🙏 some Asian fans you have got to change and appreciate these Actors and Artists cause they really try their best to make us happy 😢
yes same here hate it so many fans go over the line
Maybe sometimes they forget that they are also human beings
@@EuniceNominee It's objectification of a kind. Similar to how heterosexual men watch lesbian porn, heterosexual women watch BL. None of them see actors as human beings. BTW, interesting side-effect is that being an actual lesbian in lesbian porn or an actual RL gay in a BL is a disqualifying factor. So far, there are only several open gay actors in the Thai BL industry and all of them play "femboy" bottoms.
It's not just Asian fans but fans all over the world. It's just some of them are just borderline fanatics
Anyone who commits an offense such as sexual assault, stalking, trespass, libel, slander, and so on would be arrested and or sued. Perhaps serve jail time. Fans who do this, should pay for their crimes. The actor's management should be doing more to protect their clients. Honestly, I think it's management organizations who are stripping these actor's of their dignity especially when forcing them to be shipped so aggressively and demanding physical modifications to suit their industry beauty standards.
It's complicated. Apparently, actors don't get much (if any) money off of screening itself. This so-called "fan service" is how they actually earn their compensation. Therefore, pretending they are in love off-screen is a part of the job. And that's why actors agree to put up with this abuse. I wouldn't blame any particular organization but the entire business model has to go.
Also a problem is providing evidence of the assault as well because some of these assailants are powerful figures and they have the power to threaten them and black list them.
@@ladynikkie what a frightening industry
I wish fan service was abolished.
I agree
Body shaming is not because they are BL actors; it's because they are famous actors and personalities. And body shaming is wrong!!!!!
PS: I think that the Crazed Overzealous Fans, Stalkers, Netizens, Haters and Predators towards these Celebrities should be tracked down, sued and jailed. When tried and convicted they are put in prison.
Production companies shouldn't be overzealous when promoting their stars and idols. They should be held accountable and financially responsible if anything bad would ever happen to them.
Exactly as much money as the entertainment industry makes, you would think that they would invest in high security because what Apo explained at 5:48 is truly disturbing beyond measures. what if somebody killed him and P'Mile? Because similar to the movie and music industry around the world there have been incidents in which very deranged fans/stalkers have killed these entertainers
True!!!
luckily some companies start to do that now. should have been earlier but I feel like this hate wave only started to become more with them becoming internationally popular. i feel like most of it comes from interfans (not just the west tho, asian non-thai fans are interfans too). or maybe it's just because I see the interfan side in this. but i feel like companies didn't expect this to happen and now are overwhelmed and don't know what to do. I mean even in the west we still have to educate companies on how to manage their social media pages properly.
The fans should be working more than gossiping about their life😡😡😡
This is a terrible situation and fans need to understand that actors are real human beings. Just like every single person. They’re actors nothing more. Please fan stop stupid rumors and harassing these poor souls. 😢😢😢😢😢😢
Actors is the key word. They are playing a part for money that may not resemble anything in their real life.
The actors put so much effort into their roles and entertain us with their acting skills. I want to let them know that all fans are not the same. I personally respect their talent and reject the negativity that some fans display. Keep up the great acting that you all do and know that this fan respects each and every one of you. What you do and how you manage your life is your own business. Don’t let them pull you down’
It’s because these companies know that many fans can’t seperate ‘actors’ portraying a fictional BL character in a TV series from their real life. So they take advantage of it by requiring actors to pretend to be romantically interested in their costars in order to promote the series through fan service. And they also make money at fan service events through merchandising & advertisements.
This doesn’t happen to Western actors as when they do interviews it’s about the tv series, the message of the series, their characters. They have regulations in place to protect the actors being taken advantage of and also their private lives are off limits.
Fans themselves are to blame because they want them to be together in real life ignoring the fact they’re actors & have seperate private lives. The majority of BL actors are straight but regardless their personal lives are their own business not the fans.
The whole BL industry is disturbing on so many levels, from both companies exploiting the actors & the fans not respecting the actors person lives. As well as requiring actors to be ‘whitewashed’ which is a huge problem across Asia.
Yes i am from india and india no any actor's does fan service and no one force them to do fan service and they work as a freelancer actors they are not under any company so they have to deal with fan service but i am scared that many Indians watch drama from korea,china,and Thailand were fan service is common i hope they don't demand such things in India too
I think there's some deep seated homophobia that even they don't realize. They think if you CAN kiss another guy then you have to be gay or bi and combining that with the fan service and continuing to work together for years, they just assume with absolutely no evidence that they are real. But it all starts with the fact that straight guys don't kiss another guy bc that would be gross... Get what I'm saying?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also don't think western actors have fanmeets or singing/dancing concerts either. They just do interviews right?
@@A-NI-YAit all started with Johnny Kitagawa. He was a p3do and started an entertainment company of jpop boy groups and his exact formula is what the kpop industry uses. The entire entertainment company structure is founded off of something that was MEANT for corruption. Kpop got it from jpop and Johnny and Thailand got it from kpop. Entertainment companies are created for an evil purpose. Actors should all be independent and audition for movies/series made by production companies, but these companies shouldn't "own" actors. Fan service needs to stop and to not be expected either, and actors shouldn't be kept with the same bl costar. If they want to do more than one bl then they should audition and pick individuals who are best for the role, not whole couples. It is about chemistry, but actors can have chemistry with more than one person, so switch it up!
There's something I don't get why bl ships have to be real ,why bl fans want their ship actors to date so bad,is it a sin to be straight and act bl😢😢
It’s terrible! I had no idea this happened to anyone in this industry! I will watch my peas and quees. 😢
It's practically happening everywhere in my opinion I feel the worst of it is happening in the music industry especially K-pop those entertainers have it the worst .
I think the treatment that these actors receive is sad. I know it's been going on throughout entertainment history and will never change. You can see why some just leave that life behind. Our loss....
1. There's a lot of homophobes in the BL fandom, and you can tell who they are because they believe everything is fan service and everyone is straight.
2. Not everything is fan service and not every moment is romantic. Fans often create the romance and fan service because the read too much into everything these actors do.
3. A lot the guys are Close Friends, so stop accusing them of doing fan service because you're uncomfortable with male intimacy.
4. A person's sexuality is None Of Your Business; however...
5. Stop assuming Everyone is straight just because the person hasn't come out. It's not easy being an openly queer actor, which is why some live in glass closets. PP has never said he's gay, but unless you're obtuse, it's very obvious. You can be gay just don't talk about it.
5. Bisexuality is a thing but a LOT of fans don't seem to realize that people can like more than one gender.
6. There are some real couples in the BL industry. It's the little barely noticeable things that most people rarely notice.
THIS TOO ! yes (but I don't felt that was indicated by the video, still good to mention).
also
7. polyamory and open relationships can be a possible thing too but yea people already struggle with grasping bi- or pansexuality
+ bonus: just because someone has a romantic partner in RL doesn't mean they must be jealous of an actors work partner, the possibility that they support that or could be even into that is also an option but nobody considers and always need the confirmation of the RL romantic partner as if they had some ownership over their lover or whatever mindset these fans have (but only if they are same sex, none of the fans cares if it's a het relationship... the double standards
And some people don't want to be labeled. They just want to love whoever they want to love without being judged by fans, the industry and the society.
Sometimes I wonder if fans think that an actor doesn't know his partner's relationships.
This came from Perth who played in Kinporche, 85 to 90% of BL actors are straight. The problems reside solely with the industry pairing up the actors and the ones like Bright/Win, Earth/Mix who bring in money are kept together.
The actors have very little say in how much fan service they have to do, most are friends and are just winding up the fans because it's their way of dealing with the bullying for them to be in a relationship off camera.
Call it what you want 1 & 2 as well as War of Y have shown what the industry is truly like.
Sadly they prefer porn over plot and having realistic stories.
It’s good you’re making people aware of this. People should not be shaming any of these guys or putting such unrealistic pressure on them to meet this fantasy of perfection.
The saddest thing is that this is a real issue in the gay world too - with there being so much pressure on young gay men to look and be perfect.
But coming back to BL actors, let’s focus on their talent as actors and not be so petty and judgmental about their looks. Let’s support their careers and give them love for success and stop focusing so much on their looks. They are people too and deserve better treatment. ❤
Bright and Win have always said they are friends and people got crazy because Bright said he and Nene were dating and people were acting like the whole world was falling apart so ridiculous Bright and Win were never real couple just good friends people need to learn the truth from fiction
Doubt they were even good friends. Win recently said he doesn't even talk to bright since bright left the company.
Honestly the creepy obsession with the actor's real lives is one of the main things that has prevented me from joining any BL fandom. I'll watch the shows, but until things seriously change with the fan culture I'm not going to engage.
Holy shit...what the hell is wrong with some people😡
yes exactly
These people weren't fans they were fanatics! that thing about Apo and Mile being chased, that's way disturbing.
Right
@@ladynikkieWay too, it's horrible 😢
@@ladynikkie yes very disturbing
Its just so sad how they have to go threw that because of the industry who puts them threw that just to make the money. I just hope that its gets better for them, but honestly i don't think it will.
Money always comes first in this industry, to the detriment of the actors mental health and physical well being. The only way it can change is through fans speaking up about it and that’s never going to happen..unfortunately.
Thank you for properly addressing the issue. You read my mind regarding the concern. Ghere are idiots of fans but there are gems of fans too!! We cant just rule all of them as toxic you see.. What should we do to keep our stars safe around us and assure their lives be happy and peaceful?
Well, that doesn't just apply to BL. It applies to everyone who works in the entertainment industry. Male and female alike. Singers and actors all over the world. Models or even just successful people, everyone is judged more positively if they look good. What about you, would you see them as idols if they looked average? A sincere answer.
Yes , de personages van een serie of film maken net iemand mooi of onuitstaanbaar. niet hoe ze er werkelijk uitzien . vroeger waren acteurs niet de mooiste personen. dat waren enkel modelen voor in de boekjes. jammer dat in deze tijd er te veel aandacht naar uiterlijk gaat en niet naar het innerlijke en het aanvaarden van je eigen looks. ik heb altijd mijn kinderen die nu jonge adults zijn gezegd dat ze zichzelf en anderen moeten aanvaarden zoals ze zijn .kwa geaardheid of etniciteit.als moeder vind ik dit verschrikkelijk dat acteurs zich zo moeten veranderen . laat die mensen zichzelf zijn en een eigen leven leiden naast de sets. Wat als iedereen in de wereld het zelfde er zou uitzien , dat zou toch saai zijn . Niet ?
This is talking about bl specifically and there are things in this video that are specific to bls. Either way, none of it is ok and anyone who says what did you expect or you signed up for this is wrong. Just bc something is the way it is, doesn't mean it is right and we should always strive to make things better.
All the things mentioned are not happening only in the BL industry, it happens in the whole entertainment industry. Things used to be much darker 10 or more years ago but the situation has improved due to awareness of the issues and the authorities taking action to protect celebrities.
At 3:08, one of the couples showed are Junseung and Seongho. They are NOT actors, but an actual gay couple, that met on the dating show, "Hisman2", and they have been together ever since. So, no "fantasy" there...
4:39 People need to relax. Did they think the actors were actually dating or something? I think they need someone to sit them down and explain to them it's not real. It's just not real. Sometimes, people just need to acknowledge that what they see in shows are not what are actual happening in real life, I feel so bad for actors that have to go through this.
and sadly, it feels like it will never get better... fans are just too much when they worship actors and forget they are human being too.
yes exactly and go over the line and put the actors in danger
sounds disappointing, but body shaming is not only a BL issue.
Apo is gorgeous. I was really pleased to see his darker skin. I find it disheartening to see unnaturally white facial makeup. Natural skin tone, please!
Fan Service should be only to a level the actors are comfortable with. Pretending to be romantically involved with an acting partner, or being forbidden from having a real relationship is not a good thing.
However if a pairing wants and is comfortable with being close and finds it reassuring or gets the benefit of being close friends, I object to fans calling it out. It should be the actors who make those decisions.
The problem is with Fans. There needs to be more enforcement of proper behavior and intolerance of obsessive actions. Even on SNS it is not ok to break reasonable standards of polite behavior. These are actors. They have lives. Be a responsible fan.
The KP situation with the authors was appalling. And damaged the careers of some of the actors. I was very proud of Jeff for speaking out to protect Barcode who was a minor.
I am feeling really bad about these problems how can the criticized there appearance and colour and no one can involve in someone love life or personal life it's there decision to whom they want to live and it's very rediculous thing to misbehave and sexual harrasment towards acters.
Although they are acters they are also a human. We can't force them to be with whom we want and we have no right to judge on their relationship these things are very terrible 😔
for me as a European, this post is very shocking. Something like this is unimaginable here. This hysteria, these malicious comments about skin colour, weight, marital status and whatever else is actually an actor's private matter. This fan service is the worst evil for me anyway. I don't think these young actors know what they are really letting themselves in for. Giving up their entire lives was definitely not planned. If you look closely, you will never see some actors who were good again after a film. Not everyone is so robust to get through it without suffering any damage. Many young people have been destroyed. Let's think of Bad Buddy, for example, a great film, but the two main actors were worn out. You so-called fans who think that you have bought the whole person with the film and a high-priced ticket to a fan meeting and who also claim every right to have a say in private: you are not fans, you are stalkers in the worst possible way. Greetings from Austria.
The industry has to take responsibility and guide how the actors are treated. Fans should have no input on actors real lives it’s crazy. Fan service should be banned! Fans need their own lives and not obsess over actors.
It’s disgusting, and naive people thinks these actors are actually together. I never ship even when the series is airing. These fans thinks by following these actors around for one photo they would impress them. People who do these stuff are stupid and have no life of their own.
It annoys me so much. A lot of viewers are actually straight girls that fetishises gay (only men with men) relationships, they become obsessed. Sometimes they are even homophobic in real life. That's the real problem. Actors are actors you know it's their job. Everyone deserves privacy. I never understood "fans" devastated when a "couple breaks up" when it's just 2 actors not working toguether anymore
That's how it is! For my part, a series ends and I turn the page. Almost 11 years watching BL and only in the first 3 did I believe in "fanservice." Now I don't even care, I only judge them by their series that many times they are neither good nor good acting but...... "the fanservice helps them" Sad and real. They are just actors, they had excellent chemistry but why so much drama? Why do I hate so much when they separate? Crazy people.
The thing about being "homophobic" is what really bothers me... one doesn't even know who they are because they all eat from the BL world.
See, I'm also a BL Fan (straight girl) from past 6 years but I never love these fan services because you know I don't love when actors have to do the things which they don't wanted. And I know very well that actors are forced to do fan service, that's why I really don't like fan service at all.
And for me it's like I pay attention to the story, acting, songs, characters not on Actor's who are acting in the series and their personal life, I don't have any interest with that what's going on in their personal life or whom they're dating in real life.
In my opinion, they can date anyone they want
Thank you! Surprise is exactly who I was trying to recall. I didn't realize he was in 'The Sign'. I have got to get round to finally watching the series. I downloaded it after watching the first episode, but then got distracted by a shiny object and never returned to watch the remaining episodes.
Very happy to have these things talked about!
One error: When talking about Earth from 2Moons2, Bas is shown, not Earth. Though they played the same character, Bas was in 2Moons and Earth in 2Moons2 and it was Earth (not Bas) who was the victim of the SA.
It's disappointing to see this kind of pressure placed on them. I definitely do not support this kind of toxic culture. I genuinely appreciate every BL actor being able just be as they are and find it far more authentic and enjoyable just being the best versions of who they are and bring their talent to the role. I don't want every set of BL leads to be a barely perceptible physical difference in body type/shape, skin tone, facial features, etc. from one set of ML couples to the next. I want for them to be happy and enjoy the art they are creating for us and not becoming resentful and miserable doing something they love to try to meet some absurd and watered down copy paste singular idea of a character aesthetic.
Seeing many of the actors in their real lives on their socials all looking like the exact same cookie cutter of a pale manga-type paper doll in K-Pop star type fits is not unique or interesting and it makes them just lose their own identities. You don't see them really express themselves and you can tell they are being pressured to look certain ways because it's reflected in their posts. It's sterile and inauthentic and I don't even recognize most of them at all. They can look so different that I wouldn't even recognize them as being the leads I fell in love with in the series I have seen them as in their earlier works.
And f#@% all those creeps that were harassing the actors with inappropriate behaviors.
this all left me so stunned ............... they are just actors, not the characters after all........ now I am liking my Indian culture more where we accept actors with their family lives wholeheartedly ............. this is getting so beyond limits !!!!!!
I really don't understand the differenciation between light and dark skin. It has the opposite effect on me, because the darker skin catches my eyes because there are so few characters with it. But in the end, I don't care, their skill and talent is more important for me.
I gladly watch the content the actors provide themselfs, that's enough. They need free and private time and should do what they want to do with it!
I don't care if they are dating, which orientation they identify or if they give "fan service", I want a good series to binge, to talk and squeel about. That's all!
It is just work, in the end. I'm still friendly and polite when I see my customers after work, but I don't want to drink a coffee with them, you know?
And the thing with weight and looks and such.... You don't need to like everything, but don't go about it and spreed hate. I don't like some looks, but if the actor is doing his job ( getting the emotions through the screen), I don't mind the little things. I would never commend on the body weight of someone, I have my fair share of insecurities about it and I'm just a normal human being, not an actress.
Just enjoy their skills and talents and be happy that so many people still work in this genre and provide us with amazing shows like My Stand-In and Only Boo.
It just reflects how the entertainment industry is so insecure for the past several decades
I can't imagine the burnout some of these actors must be feeling. their whole lives have to be an act because they always have to be gushing about their on-screen partners like they're actually in a real relationship when we, realistically, know most bl actors are either straight and/or never were in a relationship with their ship partners. not only are they always pigeon-holed into playing basically the same character/dynamic over and over again, but they have to act with the same person or else there will be public outcry. Don't get me wrong, these actors probably really like their on-screen partner and feel really comfortable around them. but be fr, any serious actor (who isn't just doing it for money, but because they love acting) isn't going to be satisfied acting with the same love interest, in a similar role, their whole career. yet shipping has gotten so out of control, that it's expected that if your drama is popular, you will most likely be stuck with that person until the end.
I wonder if some of these studios offer counseling for their actors
@@ladynikkie I hope so, but I honestly doubt it. I feel like any counseling they seek is probably sourced themselves
#notoleranceoffakeandobsessedfans I hope these fans face retribution, our idols deserve to have their own privacy and opinions, they also deserve love from us as true fans regardless of their skin, size and looks. Honestly, some of these haters are just probably jealous that our idols are better looking and more successful than they can ever be. Let's support our idols together!!!!!!😊😊😊
Outrageous!! These actors have to put up with so much nonsense. People need to grow up and get a life. Actors have lives too. Fans are suppose to support them not harass, threaten and interfere in their private life.
Can you call yourself a fan if you're a bully? I have my favorites, of course, but I don't go after the actors I don't care for. I just watch the ones I like the most. We need to stop calling these toxic bullies "fans." Let's start there ourselves. Call them trolls and haters, not fans.
For me i watch a show i appreciate the actors and their chemistry i move on to another show.But at times they can't really put all the blames on fans some actors take the fan service to far,and it makes the fans get delusional i feel actors should create a bit boundaries too when their are doing fanservices too.
You forgot "fans" losing their minds when bl actors aren't always gay. 😂😂 As if acting isn't literally pretending. 😂😂
It makes me angry when fans hate an actor bcz he is straight 😂
@feliciendusengemungu6683 fr like please chill out it is not that serious.
@@phenyo_sc don't you remember that some bl fans unfollowed bright bcz he is straight and dating nene
@feliciendusengemungu6683 who could forget, they're still in his comments
Exactly
I feel so bad for the actors when they have to deal with all the crap. It makes me appreciate their efforts and talents even more. There's been a number of BL series about some of this stuff, now, and it makes me so angry at the abuser character when the abuse is portrayed in the show. ALL of these actors have my respect for everything they endure to make these shows come to life.
Body shaming is a horrific things for anyone to have to endure. I'm always so grateful when I see a character that doesn't match the expected model-ready physique. We need MORE characters that are "normal" looking. The same thing goes with filters on faces - I have notice more and more natural shots showing up recently and it's a welcomed change.
The "Me Too" movement in the west has brought to light how much abuse there is by people of power, here. I know it's the same everywhere, and it's so sad that people have to endure that to make it in the industry. What we need is for ALL actors to boycott working for productions that use this practice. It would be too easy to say to those who were abused that they should have just walked away, because that's not fair for them and their career. But what angers me more are the managers of these actors who turn a blind eye to these abuses. I've seen them portrayed as a "second mom", but seriously they are driven by money and success, so is anyone surprised that they don't protect these actors, especially the younger ones?
I've been so happy to see more recent changes in some BLs, where the one who is perceived to be smaller, weaker is the top, etc. Welcomed changes. I'd love to see a strong effeminate character take the lead in, and be the dominant character, more. I have to wonder if straight culture is driving the stereotypes in the industry. Perhaps some lgbtq+ education is needed.
Fans are the key to change for much of this. WE need to be the change. WE need to push for change. And we need to support all of those actors, especially when they exert control of their personal lives.
Nah.. this is not just about BL actors.. it hapoens to most celebrities, especially idols...
You hit on so many good points. When i was watching We Are and looking at the extras who were darker and were what i think Thai people look like it is sad to think that background extra, market seller, rural worker and criminal are the roles they will get.
You didnt touch on money. Apparently BL roles pay peanuts and the 'fanservice' is to help get sponsorship. it feels like slave labour/sex work.
So much to say about this….
I’ve only started watching C & K dramas (now also Thai & BL’s) in the last 6 months and it became quickly apparent how openly abused these actors are and how they have to live their lives walking a minefield of rigid expectations, from fans to their agencies to the government. It’s ironic in that I read so many comments from “netizens” who claim to love their actors/actresses and yet, the slightest mistake (PERCEIVED mistake or choice that is considered taboo), and netizens show their true colors as demanding, immature, selfish, malicious and unhappy pirhanas just waiting to devour those they “claim” to adore. These HUMAN BEINGS, gift us with their hard work and amazing talents, we should be thankful for the “entertainment” they give us all.
I always laugh at the “white” is better mentality. I also wonder WHERE that idea comes from and why??? 🧐.
For me, all of the actors I enjoy from each country are attractive specifically BECAUSE of their “individual” & unique traits. Tan Jianci is hounded because of his height, his teeth, his nose?? Lol. But his appeal to me is his talent. What makes him so compelling has nothing to do with his looks (but I find him hot), it has to do with his PRESENCE, his aura and intensity of his personal energy. The criticisms he’s endured and overcome through the years have given him that internal strength and that CONFIDENCE is very attractive.
Bible, Apo, Boss, Noeul, Metawin (many Thai actors too many to name), Korean, Woo Do Hwan, Ahn Bo hyun, to mixed looking like Chinese Song Wei Long, to lesser known actors like Lin Ze Hui, to those considered “imperfect” for weird reasons like Tan or Zhang Ruoyun whom I find very attractive because again, his intensity, energy & aura are very magnetic in his acting, are ALL special in their own way. JOL 1 & 2 were a surprise to me becoming my favorite C drama so far even though theres not a lot of action or your typical hot guy lineup in it. It’s his PRESENCE (like Tan’s in Lost You Forever) that appeals and you don’t become so superficially attached to looks alone but emotionally invested in the character…. Almost all of the Thai BL’s I’ve watched had actors with the same talent of grabbing your heart and squeezing it! Ha ha ha. But people MUST understand its fiction. Take the life lessons from these dramas to become more self-aware, kind, open minded but then release these people, don’t hold them hostage attacking them because you’re unhappy.
The rabid obsession and unrealistic expectations, the clinging and feelings of “possession” are a side effect of living in a dualistic society that DEMANDS perfection while also restricting or monitoring every word or free creative expression, and the ability to truly LIVE any way you want to be happy. Alllllllll of that intense emotion that is suffocated has to go somewhere & sadly, it explodes all over other people that the depressed and suppressed see as the only joy in their lives. It’s VERY difficult to live your life in 100% strict self-control all the time so you don’t get in trouble, stressful and keeps one in a state of fear and agitated. Any release one can find to let out all their love, joy, excitement or, anger, resentment, even grief is an avenue many will take to cope with their unhappy lives. Fear and resentment are projected onto their heros they see as living the “best life”, then jealousy rears its ugly head and they lash out, happy to see their idols fall and suffer with them. Its an act of confusion and intense pent up emotion heartbreakingly directed at those who are only human too…. Forgiveness, compassion, empathy, awareness that these are “people” with flaws, desires, emotions, fears, dreams just like all of us, will free one from the constant battle for joy and contentment in life. Don’t keep looking for it in others, find it within yourself and follow your own passions.
Having said all of that, they have no right to judge, shame, bully, demand anything from their idols. At the end of the day, no matter what country you live in, every person is a free, sovreign individual entitled to live their own lives however they choose. For the sake of these lovely people I really hope these harmful attitudes change soon.
I look at my faves from China, Korea & Thailand and see their beautiful energy but yet, there seems to also be an aura of sadness around them at times, a reservation that dims their light - fear. The eyes are sooooo magnificient and expressive, I see it there…. It’s like caging gorgeous angels and clipping their wings so others can enjoy looking at them, not understanding that now their true essence and beauty have been destroyed….The most beautiful things in this world MUST be free to be truly appreciated in all their glory. Then the light they shine is blinding. As it should be….
I will continue to watch K, C Thai dramas and support my faves however I can with love, respect and appreciation for their talent, hard work and beauty - just as they are.
I haven't read all of this. I'll come back and read it later, but I wanted to respond to your "white is better" part. I think it comes from the fact that if someone has a tan it is thought that they work out in the hot sun so they are lower class people, whereas the rich hire people (the ones who become dark skinned) to do these jobs for them. I think white skin is just mentally associated with higher class, wealthy people. 🤷🏽♀️
Well the mentality about skin color makes sense in their culture, because it was like that in the past. Rich people did not spent a lot of time in sun light, and farmers did so they tanned more. They kind of base their casting and thinking on that. But it's the same in multiple countries.
Oh these people seriously need help it's called acting for a reason .
I personally don't agree with fan service because the actors are crossing a line that is not good for them personally.
I so hope that's THAILAND'S PRECIOUS GOAT is not treated in such a disrespectful way if he was subjected to such behaviour now that would be upsetting.
Thank God I'm in the 🇬🇧 because my point of view is those fan's are Bat Shit crazy 🇬🇧.
Yeah the shipping is nuts.
Zeenenew are a real couple Mosbank but that’s all I know but I agree with you bc a lot of fans are crazy’s💀
It's sad that they act like that off of screen, too for fans🙁
Bro, they never said they were actually a couple. THIS is the issue.
Zeenenew did confirm 🙃 and Mosbank did too
I won't believe it until they stop acting together. When they act with others, kiss and so on...maybe then I will believe that they are "A real couple." For now everything seems like "fanservice" to me.
But only God knows....
@@glorialombardo_why do you want them to be a couple so bad?
If there is something you wouldn't do to your closest friends and family, why do it to others? What does make people go to extremes like this? It is wrong. Celebrities are people too
I think all of the issues you mentioned are a reality of the entertainment industry. And because of such issues and many more that you didn’t mention, it is a very rough industry in any country.
Noone has the right to demand things of others like this.
Beauty cones in all shapes, colours and
Sizes. Talent us what matters most surely.
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BrightWin separation has to be the most mature and least dramatic one of all. Bl fans have to understand the difference between reel life and real life and respect the boundaries.
thank you for raising awareness
No way. I love Drakes eyebrows and I am in love with.
Yes, I was shocked about Drake being criticised about his bushy eyebrows! 😳 His eyebrows are beautiful 🥰 ❤
I am particularly sensitive to the desire for the whitest East Asian actors possible. As a Western, Caucasian male, I wasted a third of my early life lying in tanning beds out of fear of being labeled 'pasty'. Ironic, isn't it? Also, I despise most forms of fan service. I want to know authentic people and not some scripted, fantasized character. Gay, straight, single or coupled, no one should be pressed to conform to an identity they are not.
0:07 tbh, 'body shaming' or the need to monitor weight and their looks at all times comes with the job. young actors/actresses and 'celebrities' are subjected to this scrutiny on a regular basis - not just BL actors. if you make money by looking beautiful or handsome (plus some real other talents) then this is the price you have to pay. BL actors can't really complain about this.
all the other points raised are very disturbing and both fans and more importantly, productions companies and their key people including authors/writers and directors, have to get better a lot. exploiting young actors/actresses and their vulnerable position during casting and their desire to land a role is one of the most despicable things people in power can do.
Just bc that's the way it is doesn't make it ok. The body shaming and even the companies themselves push it to unhealthy levels. I don't care if that's the way it is. It needs to change.
And that's the problem with that industry. They should be making money because they are talented, not because of how they look
@@Sssidk tell that the viewers or the public too. most actors are 'famous', in demand or become a celebrity because of their looks - having the right talents is a basic necessity. there are so many actors and [in theory] only talented ones are considered but among all the talented actors the audience (and therefore the producers, casting agencies etc) most often pick the pretty ones - at least when their good looks are required for the role or some other interests (like promotions etc).
ofc there have always been actors who managed to carve out some niche/reputation/demand for their special looks, e.g. as dwarf or with a unique face which isn't particularly pretty etc but they are few and far between a sea of very beautiful actors
@@embreis2257 it's worse with bl actors. and that's why they'll always be stuck with "actors" who can't act to save their lives
Thank you for highlighting this important aspect of BL actors' careers. There was an actor in Secret Crush On You whose character and storyline kept intimating that he was sensitive about being overweight. He was the most beautiful person in the entire series. (I wish I remembered his name.) If that's being overweight, sign me up.
Creo que probablemente te refieres al actor Pittikorn Siripornsawan (Surprise) que interpretaba a Kaojhao / Jao el amigo de Toh y que era pareja secundaria junto a Sky. Tienes razon para nada era gordo, es un chico muy lindo y el ha trabajado últimamente en la serie The Sign, en el papel de Singh, es uno de los investigadores del equipo.
Perks of the profession. It’s their choice be celebrities, right?
Or maybe some actors just want to act 🤷
fans are problem for sure but actors and companies encourage actors to behave lovey dovey infront of fans and than they over do it and when its create problems they blame fans if u know your series is good people will watch it give interviews like friends or co actors but they behave like we are dating it just make the situation worse its a fault from both sides fans and actors.
We fans must be supportive not discriminating, racist,etc etc
I love Gawins teeth (first time I saw him smile I audibly said "now that's an American smile if I've ever seen one") and his look as a whole. Thailand is very ethnically and visually diverse and it's nice to see leads with such varying types of handsomeness
Even everything is awful, i think the main reason is how much the actors depend on fans. The promotion of the series, their earnings or food is taken care by these fans. The companies don't put money for marketing or catering during filming, also some actor don't get país for the work but earn money from being the brand of different products after the series get famous
I enjoy watching BL ,specially if the two actor are in good chemistry,sometimes we imagine that they have a relationship,but we didnt know whats real,they are actor we know that,if we like to idolized them just focus to their acting,not to their private life,or their appearance ...most important if they watched them together even have or no intimate realtionship, you feel happy...respect them .
These actors work very hard and are talented. Yes they look good, but I feel that they shouldn't have to do much to make them into the characters that they portray. They have their own lives separate from their characters and I appreciate them very much.
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD.
Poor Actors........😢😢😢😢😢
I agree all of this is disgraceful and no one should be made to do anything they don’t want to or endure harassment and false allegations from “fans” and people in positions of power-but why did you have to say that Zee and NuNew “even CLAIM to be in a real relationship”? I get it that obligatory fan service isn’t good, but it’s still understandable and absolutely conceivable that some of these men could ACTUALLY fall in love, sheesh!
The issues that you mentioned tar actors of BL face, are not specific to that genre or that country. These sort of issues and many more, not mentioned in your video, are common in the entertainment industry across genres and across countries all of the world.
What is referred to as shipping in Thailand, is done by fans in the US and sometimes these fans did everything that you mentioned to their favorite actors for all the same reasons, but these fans were not called shippers and the culture around such inappropriate behavior exhibited by fans towards actors/musicians/other celebrities, wasn’t called shipping, the inappropriate behavior fans were called stalkers and when they went to far in trying to engage their fave celebrity, it was called stalking. And when it started to to happen frequently, a few decades ago in the US, this behavior was not encouraged. US actors were not encouraged to give fan service, when they were not on set. When co stars, who an on screen couple, were together at fan events or just going about their private life they didn’t have to pretend to be a couple and they didn’t normally do so either. Even with that not being encouraged by the US culture as a whole, there were still fans that got upset about their favorite actors not behaving the way they wanted and then some fans resorted to the sort inappropriate behaviors that you described- spreading lies and rumors, stalking, being violent, etc, just being inappropriate and completely inappropriate of the lives they are disrupting by their selfish, delusional behavior.
And as I was saying despite the genre, body shaming and sexual harassment are things any actor may have to deal with. It’s just the nature of the entertainment business. The industry judges all actors just as much, if not more so on their physical appearance than their acting talent. I don’t agree with many of the practices that are common to the business and I don’t think actors should be subjected to such things, but until there is a reform in the industry, this is what an actor signs up for. And I would hope that anyone considering a career in acting would stop and give it a lot of thought and prepare him/herself before going this career path.
Well I have no answers about how to reform the industry and no judgments for those who choose acting. I just agree it’s a rough business and no one has the right to spread lies and rumors, be violent toward, invade the privacy of, sexually harass/assault or in any way hurt other people. But that is the world. People are not always considerate, never mind loving toward others. Selfishness is easy and some groups like Thai BL actors are put in the position of being easy targets, they are not the only group, just one of many, and that is unfortunate.
You are making people aware. And sometimes that is all we can do to make the world a better place, make the public aware of the harm that happens behind closed doors and in public where any and everyone can see, but that no one pays attention to and/or thinks is acceptable and where some people actually think it’s their god given right to treat other people in such inappropriate ways.
Well thanks for sharing, I found your video informative. And for what it’s worth I do see men in this industry and other industries within entertainment, how they are treated and how the world at large thinks it’s ok and it’s not. And I do what I can to promote awareness in hopes of changing hearts and minds and behaviors. Blessed be.
Скажу только одно,что не нужно ф.с. и никто не будет сходить с ума и не будет проблем ,по крайне меньше. Сначало компании морочат голову, а потом очень большие проблемы Мне очень жаль актёров,что страдают из за неадекватных фанатов.
That is a shame. No one should be treated thzt way. It is the opposite in USA. We lay out in the sun to get a dark tan. We want to be darker. The abuse that they take from so called fans and the stalking. That would not happen here. They would all get thrown in jail. Your country needs to protect you bettrr
Some of the "dark skinned" actors from the video don't even register as dark to me. They look great too. What a weird fixation to have. Diversity is way more attractive than having everyone look the same anyway.
Since watching asian Bls I discovered how toxic some fans are !! Plus if there wasn't this FAN SERVICE it would be much better !! Yes promote the series but once the series is over thats it. Also having the same two bl actors always being boyfriends in every series they do and mix it up not have the same to guys being lovers and no fan service may help Those sicko fans realise that the couples in a BL are just actors !! I am sorry but its the industry's fault, Here in the western world we see movies about gay couples ect ect and even the straight male/female stars in series or movies We don't carry on about if they are real or or not !! ONCE its over they move on to another project and we as movie goers and fans go see a new movie about them ITS called entertainment this fucked up fans that DON'T HAVE A LIFE AND LIVE THROUGH ACTORS LIVES NEED TO GROW UP !! THERE IS ENOUGH NASTINESS IN THE WORLD !! I WATCH Bls for the fun enjoyment and relax and take time out of the world around me !! These people that say and do all this shit to actors get a life learn respect understanding love kindness happiness love
Who dares say that Mile's eyebrows are unattractive? 👊 🤜 🤛 ✊️ 👊 🤜 🤛
I like his eyebrows too 😢
The colour of someone’s skin should never be an issue we are all unique in our own way earth piripat is very handsome even with darker skin colour I love him and his series he’s in .even if he was black he would still be beautiful ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Been a fan's doesn't give you the right to look in to their private life, every one with their life style, love is love been man or woman, what meatt is their happess to me in person doesn't matter who you love, am just a fan's , if they is any fan's that doesn't not like their life style he or she is free to leave, and let them have their Pace, thanks, Eunice from Nigeria ❤ love you guys
This is not only the fault of the fans, it is not right for them to behave like a couple in front of the fans when a play is over. This so called fan service needs to be stopped.
It’s mainly the COMPANYS fault for doing this. However, crazy fans are always at fault. These “fans” are the reason these companies make their actors pretend to date. Some actors take it too far though. I’m glad that actors like Mew snapped out of it and told the truth.
That's why I don't watch fan services there are meaning less 😢
I like fan service or rather actors just having fun together in a buddy or flirty way, but then it should be honest labeled as that. Which ironically most of the newer ones do! But fans still don't want to accept it when the actors clearly say they are just joking around and are just buddies or like brothers. fanservice can be fun for both sides if it wasn't for those who are toxic, overstep and demand...
I have not seen this shipping culture in any other Industry.. why do they have to act like a couple behind the scenes ?
It's horrible for them to subjected to that the men mentioned are really great actors who seem kind from interviews that I have seen and don't deserve to be violated and disrespected in these ways and they must be extremely strong to endure all that and wear a smile to follow there dream I respect them even more now I will continue to watch there series and root for them also I think that once they join a company that a bodyguard should be provided along with martial arts classes so they could defend themselves and maybe get a sense of security
Asian fans are really weird!!!! They live somebody's x life and not their own.
this is so sad... and it happens not only with BLs...
The worst offenders were BrightWin!!
Why go over the top with fan service then as if they really are in a real relationship because they’re not only lying to themselves but to the public??
Ya some time we cant blame. Fans sometimes the company told actors to over do that fan service
You shippers are full of toxic masculinity which is why when you see two actors being intimate with each other you automatically assume that they are lovers,, when in reality they are just doing their job to promote a product or doing a photoshoot together....alot of the times the time the actors are cuddling because they have become close friends after spending years of working together but you toxic delusional people still assume it as romantic
@@DaughterofMother1yes! 🙌
Bright and Win never did ott fanservice.
Brightwin did not do any fan service. They were the straightest "couple" ever
They put pick os Bass and God from 2moons but did not mention about God actually suffering greatly because of some suspicios people behind the scene. He was avictim but fired without support and that is one of the reasons he does not do BL anymore, he does not want to have anything to do with the industry.
These fans need to stop the racism, its saddening that they r so obsessed with another person's personal life
We can't blame fans all the time ... the major problem is in that industry casting, and media
All very good points, and fans are very crazy, I'd also Like to add on that when a bl actor then does a series with an actress, they then get hate by fans, not just the actor but mainly the actress Film , Tu and more recently Prim are just some of the actresses that have all had hate comments thrown at them and worse from a few bits, that I've seen, all because according to fans they're "breaking the ship apart", how much more deluded can you get ?? Gmmtv wont break a bl couple unless the actors say so, eg nanon and ohm, An actor acting with an actress doing their jobs, maybe they wanted to try something new, but it also leans into the point of fans assuming their sexuality, unless they have explicitly stated then it's no ones business
Commenting on an actor's looks is rude and inappropriate, and it makes one wonder what these trolls actually look like themselves. A lot of fans take things way over the top. Thailand seems to be the worst offender. Their entertainment industry needs to change their priorities. These actors need respect and privacy, especially the younger ones.
i cant understand why some fanatics get mad when celebrities date or enter a relationship, they even call it cheating or a betrayal-like do they really believe they own the person? are they too much into a delusion that their celebrity crush would only be devoted to them when they're basically strangers?
i mean, you can fantasize being the girlfriend/boyfriend whether your idol is in a relationship or not, like that's the point of a fantasy. fantasize all you want but don't delude yourself into thinking you're the real romantic partner just because they're nice or even slightly flirtatious to fans like you. you don't own them just because you supported their shows. they don't owe you anything. yes, you may have supported them but that was in exchange for their performance. they worked hard to entertain you. it's not like they did nothing or made no effort and you just showered them with love. it's a transaction so stop acting entitled and let them live and love whoever they want.
Ppl need to a life. These celebs are human with lives of their own. There's a saying believe half of what you read and even less of what you hear. This just shows me how ppl in power abuse their positions or quid quo pro. Fans must be truly bored with their lives if they are going to these extremes. Like I said they need to get a life of their own. Yes I am a fan of a lot of these wonderful actors but I respect for them as well
actors need fans.....but fans need to respect the actors they admire...
all actors everywhere are asked to lose/gain weight for roles....part of the business as they say a camera adds 10 pounds...and all given stylists to do make-up/clothe them/etc......given lessons in acting/singing/dancing/answering press ques./etc.......part of the life....they all want the "fame/money" .....success means learning how to "navigate" the path to stardom
Just bc "that's the way it is" doesn't make it ok. All of the things in this video need to change and are wrong, period.
These are not just about bl actors, these happen everywhere.
I was broke down when I saw this video cause its totally scary and horrible. I know I watch bl and it made me happy but when I slowly go through this bl world, slowly I knew about something black side of bl world. I really hate those people who went crazy about their( bl actors) personal things not only bl but also all the actor and actress.( In screen and off screen is different things) all the fans should note this words. They have their own life like us. I am just newly bl watcher I haven't gone that deep in this world and I may not understand those deep things but I know fantasy and reality is like sky and land. all the bl series firstly told us its just imaginary ,fantasy character. It is the show only for few moments of happiness for us. I don't think we should expect that in real life. I know we imagine or hope that character to be in real life but fans!!that is only fantasy world we can't have them in real life. In some cases maybe our fantasy comes true but its upon the actors and their life decision. We can just imagine or fantasized in our mind. When I knew that fans does that mean things that broke me. And please those addicted fans please you can imagine anything you like but come out from that world cause real is nothing like we imagine..!!