Just gotta say that I am over 40, only shot weapons a few times over my life, I'm not a political person, but lately I've gotten into guns and am shopping options for our first rifle. Digesting your content for the past couple weeks has been a real joy: you speak positivity and you promote firearms without heavy doses of political commentary that can be polarizing. You love weapons. You talk weapons. You share your knowledge freely with anyone interested in learning I just hugely appreciate your channel and will be supporting your company undoubtedly as my wife and I start our firearms journey
My first rifle was an Anderson AM15, and I knew it was not the best, I also knew I was going to upgrade it. The only thing left from the original purchased rifle are the lower receiver and A2 flash hider. Everything else has been upgraded and replaced. I suggest this route of obtaining a rifle to everyone, not only do you learn basic functions of your new rifle but also have backup parts in case anything fails.
I love, love , LOVE my PSA guns, I'm a law enforcement firearms instructor , and was called a "poor" by a student during a range class, I had a PAS AR15 and a Dagger in my duty holster. I out shot his Sig rifle and pistol combo. I guess I'm a poor then.
My guns in order: 1. PSA off the shelf for $600 total 2. PSA lower I built with custom .300 BCM upper by local shop for $800 total 3. Fully self built with custom parts - Aero Matched lower/upper (both BLEM) BCM rails and other good parts (Most accurate gun I've ever fired) $1500 total I have learned so much as I got into it, and I promise I can rebuild my rifle while most DD owners just buy a brand and fail to learn. Have since put all Radian and CMMG function parts in all 3.
I retired from active duty military service, and yes mil spec is just a set of standards. What I look for in a AR part or whole rifle is the materials used to manufacture that part or rifle. The worst snobs are in the “cloning “ of military rifles. They fail to realize that no matter how many gucci parts you buy ,it is still a semi automatic rifle without the “giggle “switch. So why not use the budget part. Keep up the good work Randy.
Same here Sam. I'm no snob about brand names but I also look at the materials used and if they are proven. Mil Spec is a base line on materials and dimensions. If your particular rifles materials are equal or better, that's gonna be good enough. Everyone can't afford a Lamborghini but if you can afford a Ford parts can be changed to make it function like one. Chose wisely people
Confucius says: "Man who arms 3 friends with Palmetto rifles will kill you faster than the 1 man who spent $3000 to feel elite and flaunt his wealth with a DD rifle that was forged in the same place." :)
I've noticed that as I'm trying to get into the AR world, a lot of RUclipsrs make it hard to get started without giving up your firstborn. A budget build should be the beginning of the journey
That's what I did, started with a basic PSA and over time as I learned I worked on it and built a rifle that I really enjoy, and without breaking the bank in the process.
Of my handfull of ARs, I have two PSAs and they both shoot very accurately. One needed a little massaging, the other was great right out of the box. I let the target do the talking.
sadly they don't understand they've been fooled by the marketing campaign, If the seller can you make you feel you've bought value, they can also make you think you've bought prestige. their are certain places when your money does attain a superior product such as optics & triggers
Yeah... I completely agree. Range warriors and gun shop owners are terrible to newbies. Instead of being excited about bringing someone new into the fold. You are typically ridiculed and shamed for not knowing whatever you should supposedly know through osmosis. It's literally my main gripe against gun owners. I don't understand why the mentality exists. It makes getting started and making good decisions really difficult because you feel intimidated and thus won't ask more questions.
Amen to that!! It doesn't matter what you have or don't have as long as you know how to use it correctly. I am fairly new to the AR world and I am having a "BLAST" at it.... learning and building is a great tool to have. Stay safe! Keep armed!
I wonder how many of the shamers out there making fun of "poors" are actually in hock past their eyeballs and not paying their bills just so they can flout the latest and greatest, family and responsibility be dammed.
My son shoots his PSA with a TRS-25 better than my brother shoots his DD with a Vortex UH-1. Bro was an 11B with 3 tours to Afghanistan and rarely trains anymore. Son lives 1 mile from an outdoor range and he trains regularly. Hmmmm….
Thank you for your service ♥️ the holosun 403r is a great budget red dot. The surefire g2x plus Magpul light mount is a great budget light setup. Ferro concept slingster is a great sling.
The budget shaming is ridiculous stuff. I hear all kinds of stuff about my military spec Anderson and it shoots as good or better than a lot of the higher end AR’s. I believe people just want to justify their purchase.
Then when you have a malfunction they go see you shouldn’t have cheaped out after having 20+ malfunctions with proprietary parts and after you clear your malfunction they bitch about how your gun still works
There is a stigmata that budget means cheap or not good and that simply isn't the case. You simply determine what your needs are and then you let that dictate your budget.
I was hoping to see my comment on Amazon, lol... I like to use my employee discount on 2A stuff here and there... Here in Arizona when you go to some ranges you can feel the stares as people try to figure out what lower or red dot you have, and don't you dare shoot better than them either😆
Palmetto State Armory all the way. Best part is I can get 3 or 4 of them for the same price, and if it gets damaged, I'm not crying in my beer. Well let's be serious, Amy time you damage a gun, it can cause a tear. Their family members just like cars and cars.
I own 4 Palmetto State Armory from 2 AR15's to 2 AR10's and "NO" issues.....👍👍👍👍 Also the 4 of these rifles together cost as much as my Ruger SR762 when purchased new at $2,200 MSRP........
@@AnrchyXRY imagine having shi++y reading comprehension, when the dude says he has a 2200 dollar ar Edit: also it's 2 copies of 2 different guns HERP DERP I CAN READ GUD Edit2: i'd be willing to bet you're sig fanboi amirite?
I don't have an endless stream of cash and I love the quality of your products. I've bought a few things from you guys and Tacticon Armament and the quality is amazing. To me, being a mechanic, having to have all the top name expensive gear is like only buying Snap-On when it's not the tool that gets the job done, it's the one using the tool.
There are only a few parts in an AR where the money you spend actually matters. And those have diminishing returns, so spend just a bit more not a whole lot more. If you're not sure which parts those are, a budget build is perfectly acceptable.
@@AnrchyXRY out of all 4 the SW which I purchased in 2010 is my favorite and the one I shoot the most and very accurate. The PSA is just as good as the sig and hk from MY PERSONAL experience. Between myself and my father we have over 200 long guns and several handguns. Most of those are collector guns. I myself would rather purchase 3 PSA or BCM versus one high end. That’s just my opinion and if one wants to buy those have at it! I will never budget shame anyone for buying a hoping or a maverick. I was hunting with a maverick in 93 when they were bottom of the barrel. Pretty sure dad paid $75 new. If I can consistently hit my target at 200 yards I’m happy or 40 yards with the shotty
Since we're talking about budget, I'd love to see a Gear Grind Video with Travis's thoughts on a few budget friendly optics for those of us first time AR-15 owners who are looking to make the step up from iron sights.
From what I've picked up interacting with the internet 2A community, a "budget AR-15" is any AR-15 under $2000. So if you buy a $1600 AR-15, it's a budget rifle. Kind of like a budget optic is anything that is not a Vortex Razor. In fact, one youtube guy actually proclaimed that if you didn't spend at least $1600 on your optic, not only is your optic "bad", but you're a fudd. lol. Honestly, in my experience with the online 2A community, I've encountered more idiots than I have good spokespeople and it's not a good look for our cause.
I spend my money on barrels, triggers and BCGs. Everything else is personal preference, and as long as the weapon is reliable, it doesn’t matter who made the parts. My first AR build was a QC10 9mm lower, and I spent a lot of money on that pistol. At some point along the way I grabbed a PSA 9mm lower and built a second pistol for my wife. Guess what? It runs just as well as my QC10. My AR308 is built with an Aero Precision receiver set, and that rifle flat out runs. You don’t need boutique parts. Spend your money on accuracy parts.
In this rapidly declining economy, many people have the same income as they had before the decline. Many now have several part time jobs or a lesser job than before. I celebrate everyone who joins the 2A community and buys firearms at this point. I spent 28yrs in the Army infantry. I trained a lot of soldiers. I have adopted the attitude of these new civilians joining our ranks as a new batch of recruits, right off the bus. One of my missions is to teach, train, coach and mentor. It started when my wife got her handgun license to carry. Soon I was training her girlfriends, ladies from church, my sister and all of her friends, and so it went and so it goes. I only do small groups, 10 max per session. They get individual instruction. This is BEFORE we even talk about a license. Once they are proficient, practice safety, and demonstrate they can easily pass the test, then we can plan for a test date. What does this have to do with budget guns? A lot. These are normal women. They are moms, grandmothers, they work, they are on a tight budget. Thank goodness for modern gun manufacturing. It has made decent, not too expensive guns that work, a reality. I refuse to tolerate people that think they can buy skills. I see it at the range all the time. I watched a guy with a Wilson Combat pistol shoot a 16" pattern (not a group) at 10 yards. I will put any of the women I have trained up against that guy with their Glock, Sig 365, S&W, or whatever they bought. The military fundamentals of shooting still apply and work. For all the veteran officers and NCOs out there, what was your most important responsibility? It was to ensure your people are trained and ready to fight. Make these new shooters your responsibility. Adopt one or two new shooters and train them well. Help grow our community the right way. (an aside: I only work with women because they listen and will do as they are asked to do. No bad habits to clean up.)
I wish someone would do a long-term study on different AR's (will never happen). I always hear that the more expensive the better it shoots (subjective), more reliable (but probably still had some malfunctions), and more accurate it is (is it? Using same ammo/sighting system/zeroed for same distance/environmental conditions the same/blah blah blah). What I'm getting at is most of the metrics for better are subjective or anecdotal, without some hard data. I do know more expensive brands should be using better material and tighter specs but how much does that matter for the average, once in awhile shooter.
I have sigs - CZ - ruger and also PSA, as long as your getting quality that's the most important thing. Some people are more serious than other's when it comes to hardware.
I'm in the process of buying my first AR. Just ordered a BCM complete lower yesterday. I hate to admit it, but I was influenced to buy more premium because of the constant "budget shaming" I see on Reddit. A cheaper PSA for my first rifle would have probably been fine, but I'm glad I choose BCM for my first AR. I think I'll be happier down the road, instead of wanting to upgrade.
@@HTMLRu1ezD00d I'm not broke. I save for retirement and raise a family and still buy gun stuff. But I'm not a fool who falls for the gun consumerism propaganda to earn internet Cool Points.
Hey, I have a wife and 3 kids that are 5, 2 and 1. I own a 2300 sq foot home and also have a $3,000+ DDM4 V7 setup. Not all of us live with our parents 😂 but my first AR was a Radical Firearms last year.
The first AR that I personally built was intentionally put together with lower cost parts and pieces. I wanted to learn for myself what did and didn't work without spending a ton on money. I still have the rifle. I don't know how many rounds I have put through it. But, the count is pretty high. If I had originally it together in it's current state I estimate it would cost between $600-$700. The gun works. It's reasonably accurate and has been pretty durable.
Actually in the process of building my first AR 15. it's very intimidating hearing about people having $2,000+ guns while I'm building a gun with extended and Ambi controls so I feel safer being a lefty shooter. Hell I picked my upper receiver because it was on sale and that the brass deflector had a more aggressive angle so hopefully it would keep the brass further from my face. I won't even lie I'm building this as cheaply as I can but I'm still looking for quality and comfort. I didn't even buy iron sights yet... I will say the most confusing thing so far has been understanding the barrel/ gas system wish I could just buy a barrel kit (barrel, gas block, tub and nut) I had to be a commet 70 and ruin it for everyone else I'm sorry.
I don't mind paying a bit more for higher quality, but I refuse to tack on an extra couple hundred bucks for a brand name. If it works and is in my budget you can't shame me because I don't give a flip what others think.
Just got the PSA Sabre chf fn geissel huxwrx upper and paired it to an aero lower with a rave 140 trigger with the Holosun scrs. Couldn’t be happier. I have two m&p15s as well as a bcm and I like my Frankenstein Sabre more while costing less. How can anyone talk shit about something just because of the price. You can’t buy common sense I’ll tell you that much 😂 be safe out there ✌️
I've built a few different ARs now and honestly my favorite is my cheapest piece of crap. I don't even shoot the one i stuck way too much money into. Shoot, build,buy what you want and can afford. I don't care what anyone else has, however if you have something awesome i will probably want to try it out.
I have interests in a lot of niches cold plunge, kayaks, fishing, bows, 3D printers, trucks and guns are some. I can't just buy the most expensive stuff in every category. I make a lot of money but that doesn't mean I want to spend it all. Budget builds are always nice to see
Years ago when racing cross country dirt bikes, my brother and I developed a similar idea: “He who brags about how good he is, isn’t!” Beware of the quiet and humble guy. He is good!
I may show up to the range with a budget gun or 2, but I have 10 more at home. And ammo for them all. May not have the nicest guns, but I'm definitely upping the per capita stats.
The Law of Diminishing Returns is definitely in effect within the gun industry. At some point, spending more money on "top tier" parts/brands doesn't translate to superior quality. In the AR universe, around $1,000 seems to be the sweet spot. Anything past that doesn't necessarily translate to superiority.
After that last video, I found people that had no idea what a rail gun was and who builds one! They didn't understand a benchrest rifle was a gun. And most of the shamers have no idea what a rail gun costs to build. I traded in my benchrest rifles for AR platforms and now enjoy shooting with both eyes open on moving targets. Those that have a lot to say is a personality trait, not a knowledge trait. I used to hear people at the range, tell that it was impossible to shoot golf balls at 100M if they can't do it. Meaning, they saw me do it, but they have no idea what to say or do. Once they are taught to shoot golf balls, they can use open sights or scoped and hit the golf ball.
I help guys with this all the time. Buy in your budget and upgrade later. Put in a few hundred dryfire reps then hit the range. If you're rifle shoots 55gr ball ammo 3" or better at 100yds you are good to continue practicing. You are not a high-speed operator. Worsted case you are a militiamen. If you train regularly any short comings of your rifle and/or kit will become apparent to you. Buy that $400-$500 rifle and get to training! P.S. always remember safety first.
My favorite is when the budget-shamers instantly show incompetence when you start talking about tactics or actually shooting the gun. There’s a reason you see all the budget-shamers online and barely any high-end users at the range or in classes.
Doesn’t matter what you shoot or the price it’s about having fun as group and supporting others no matter what they have or what the price was , I cant stand the cocky arrogance a lot of shooters have of budget shaming it’s honestly why I don’t join most groups , if it shoots and it works for you who cares
As long as the target gets hit and you have fun is all that matters. I experience this with tools, Snap on vs Harbor Freight, if the nut gets loosened or the bolt gets tightened I don’t care what brand it is. If a Daniel Defense hits a target and a PSA build hits the same target what’s the big deal.
Budget shaming is a waste of time. Expensive or budget, they all can fail for a variety of reasons. I am happy with my S&W M&P15 M4 style. I am also happy with my Spike's lower/BCM upper AR15. Both are reliable and well made.
I don't agree with budget shaming, if it's just shaming someone for not going with premium parts. However, there are some common habits that are dangerous, and ineffective that could stop for the same budget. For example, a lot of people get cheap red dot optics that are $40. They are designed for airsoft and can't hold a 0 on a real gun. If your budget is less than $100 for optics, you should be using iron sights. At least you'll be able to hit what you are aiming at. But the BIGGER problem is that people will have a Gucci rifle with expensive parts, or crazy decorated handguards, spending hundreds extra on looks, and then put an optic that can't hold 0 on it. This is what people refer to as plebeian. Make the rifle work before you start making it all pretty. The absolute cheapest red dot that I know of that works is the Romeo 5. It's $150 max, and you can freeze it, drop it, shoot it with birdshot and it will still hold 0. Then you have parts that sound cool, but interfere with the safe usage of the firearm. Parts such as the BAD lever that put a lever inside your trigger guard for a function of the gun other than pulling the trigger. This violates a basic gun safety rule of keeping your finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire. So you just paid extra money to make your rifle less safe. The same goes when someone mounts their light switch inside the trigger guard. Skeletonized parts look cool, and as an INDOOR range toy that you keep in a case otherwise, i guess they work. The problem comes when something essential is skeletonized, exposing moving parts to sand and dirt. Now you've just made your rifle unreliable, and it probably cost extra money to do so. Bet it still has that same chinesium optic on it, too. Another thing is part combinations that don't match, or try to make a one size fits all rifle. Why would you put a bipod on a rifle that does not have a scope? or put a foregrip on a rifle that does have a scope? You have to decide what the rifle is for, short, medium, or long range, and build it with parts, and even calibers that make sense. an AR pistol with a 4 inch barrel shouldn't be shooting 5.56. The round is designed to burn all its powder in a 20 inch barrel, and the military has already pushed it to the limit with its 11 inch suppressed m4, and new types of ammo. All you've made with a short barrelled 5.56 is a 22 with a blindingly bright and loud fireball. That is not useful. Try a pistol caliber or 300 blackout. Also, small short range guns should be lightweight, so that you can maneuver them in buildings if necessary. Don't put a 100 round drum on it, and don't try to put one of those dual Scope/Dot Sight optics. The short barrelled rifle is useless as a DMR, lacking power and accuracy. Conversely, a long range rifle benefits from being heavy (if you're not hiking), because the weight absorbs some of the recoil, making follow up shots easier. Just remember, there's cookie cutter rifle styles for a good reason. If there were some novel idea that were useful, the militaries of the world would probably already be making/using them, since they have guys that just sit there with analytics and battle reports, thinking of new shit.
Budget shaming is partly driven by justification from those who've already spent a lot of money and need to continue justifying it. If they don't, they'll have to admit to themselves that their purchase was not the greatest.
Coming from the machining side of things there is definitely a higher quality of materials used in most high quality firearms. The tolerances are way tighter, QC is 100 fold better, and most firearms are hand fitted. But yes, once you get to a certian point, the law of diminishing return kicks in. Giesslle, SOLGW, DD, LWRC, and Seekins all make a high quality firearm. Anything above that is boogie, and is more likely handcrafted and has more hand fitted pieces. PSA, Anderson, Ruger, S&W, and many others are good starters rifles, but over time, you should save money back and buy something better.
Been around the M16 since 1975. 99% of fan boys would shit themselves if they had to go to war with what the US Army issues routinely to Infrannty soldiers. In the 1980's and 1990's if a soldier lost his weapon he was charged $200 to replace his weapon. So if the Army is only paying $200 per copy and all of the parts meet the TDP that speaks volumes. On the other hand you can not even purchase an FN AR barrel for $200 today on the civilian market. My oldest son had 120K rounds on his M4 before he went to Syria. They issued him a rebuilt M4 right before he left but cosmeticly it looks like it had been dragged behind a MRAP for a few thousands miles. Almost none of the "premium boutique" AR's are worth the squezzer once you start tearing them down and measuring parts!
Bought a Diamondback, and have been upgrading it, trying dozens of different gear pieces. My pewdiepew is definitely better, and perfectly fit to me and my needs, more so than if I grabbed a more pricey cookie cutter off the shelf.
Which does the job better? - a no-name pawn shop guitar in Slash's hands? - OR - - a Les Paul Custom played by someone who barely knows 3 chords? Guns are tools. You are the weapon.
If that small percentage of gun owners that are budget shaming feel that way about budget gun owners I wonder how they fell, about those of use that have to purchase, less than budget. those of us that budget is top tier, high dollar expensive. Those of us, that are forced to buy the cheap of the cheap priced products, that even the budget minded manufacturers, dealers, and shops, make fun of and don't even care about if we can't spend X amount for budgeted products. those of us that HiPoint are expensive guns
For me it’s not about budget shaming as much as it is ignorant people that think that a $400 Ar is a duty grade weapon and then comment and advise newbies that it is all they could ever hope and dream to own. You get what you pay for up to a certain point with the Ar platform period
It seems to go both ways. I respect the budget minded people. But also I've seen many a post where someone makes the comment that's too expensive... how can you spend that much on... We all have our levels that we can afford.
Brother military grade just means us United States taxpayers bought lowest bid at thousands of dollars example m16a2 e3 at 7200.00 per weapon or hundreds of dollars for a 30.00 hammer.
Yes typically a "high end" AR will be better quality and the barrel will last longer but when that weapon is 5x the price of a budget one that i will still never burn out the barrel by shooting that much, why waste the money?
I shame only my friends or a way to 'rib' people as a joke. Hobbies are expensive and frankly so long as the thing works I don't rib people too hard. I do let em have it if the thing is a flat out a piece of junk and doesn't work - whatever it is.
I'd rather fight next to a man with a 300$ rifle who can pee standing up and not spill a drop, than a man with a 3,000$ rifle who can't hit the bowl sitting down.
My RF-15 is great. I've replaced grip and charging hammer, added a light and iron sites. It came with a cheap red dot. It is accurate and fires every time. My trigger is ok. In five years I'll replace the BCG and barrel if it needs it. I'll get a magnified prism optic when I find one I like. PSA or BCA or Davidson Arms would have probably been just as good.
So if your a neweeb and spend 5K on a rifle you get bullied.....that same person spends $500 on a rifle they get bullied. these same people would probably think i'm nuts if I spent $2000 on a nice suit or $600 on a quality pair of dress shoes and I shame them for their $149 suit and $45 dollar shoes, get what you can afford but please do some research, theirs good stuff out there for good prices, not everything has to be war quality for your at home rifle/pistol etc you get the point. We want people to get in to our hobby and be able to protect and enjoy themselves and use their 2A freedoms, lets welcome them in instead of shaming people, everyone has a budget! especially those just getting into the game. Be easy folks. I watched the CEO of PSA make a great point on the video with GOA , He know how much a gin cost to make, he basically states that why is his product so cheap....He ask why is theirs so expensive ? profit!!!
The world is full of phony people who for some reason think that they need to impress others who really could care less but they need to feel important for some weird reason.there just not worth your time.
Watched a guy with a Anderson AR win a competition over u name it for brands. Most made in same factories for most brands. Ur buying a name. If anyone tells u a rifle is 100% reliable they are a dam a liar. 🫡😁💰👍
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Just gotta say that I am over 40, only shot weapons a few times over my life, I'm not a political person, but lately I've gotten into guns and am shopping options for our first rifle. Digesting your content for the past couple weeks has been a real joy: you speak positivity and you promote firearms without heavy doses of political commentary that can be polarizing. You love weapons. You talk weapons. You share your knowledge freely with anyone interested in learning
I just hugely appreciate your channel and will be supporting your company undoubtedly as my wife and I start our firearms journey
My first rifle was an Anderson AM15, and I knew it was not the best, I also knew I was going to upgrade it. The only thing left from the original purchased rifle are the lower receiver and A2 flash hider. Everything else has been upgraded and replaced. I suggest this route of obtaining a rifle to everyone, not only do you learn basic functions of your new rifle but also have backup parts in case anything fails.
I love, love , LOVE my PSA guns, I'm a law enforcement firearms instructor , and was called a "poor" by a student during a range class, I had a PAS AR15 and a Dagger in my duty holster. I out shot his Sig rifle and pistol combo. I guess I'm a poor then.
My guns in order:
1. PSA off the shelf for $600 total
2. PSA lower I built with custom .300 BCM upper by local shop for $800 total
3. Fully self built with custom parts - Aero Matched lower/upper (both BLEM) BCM rails and other good parts (Most accurate gun I've ever fired) $1500 total
I have learned so much as I got into it, and I promise I can rebuild my rifle while most DD owners just buy a brand and fail to learn.
Have since put all Radian and CMMG function parts in all 3.
I retired from active duty military service, and yes mil spec is just a set of standards. What I look for in a AR part or whole rifle is the materials used to manufacture that part or rifle. The worst snobs are in the “cloning “ of military rifles. They fail to realize that no matter how many gucci parts you buy ,it is still a semi automatic rifle without the “giggle “switch. So why not use the budget part. Keep up the good work Randy.
Same here Sam. I'm no snob about brand names but I also look at the materials used and if they are proven. Mil Spec is a base line on materials and dimensions. If your particular rifles materials are equal or better, that's gonna be good enough. Everyone can't afford a Lamborghini but if you can afford a Ford parts can be changed to make it function like one. Chose wisely people
Your military service has no bearing on your opinion and you clearly have no knowledge on how quality of parts affect firearms.
Confucius says: "Man who arms 3 friends with Palmetto rifles will kill you faster than the 1 man who spent $3000 to feel elite and flaunt his wealth with a DD rifle that was forged in the same place." :)
I've noticed that as I'm trying to get into the AR world, a lot of RUclipsrs make it hard to get started without giving up your firstborn. A budget build should be the beginning of the journey
That's what I did, started with a basic PSA and over time as I learned I worked on it and built a rifle that I really enjoy, and without breaking the bank in the process.
I wish I'd known about a few of the sites when I got started. I'd have gotten a PSA lower and gone from there.
Those guntubers get alot of thier gear for free from the companies to advertise and mentions . I wouldnt think to much into it
Of my handfull of ARs, I have two PSAs and they both shoot very accurately. One needed a little massaging, the other was great right out of the box. I let the target do the talking.
Love my 2 PSA's. No issues whatsoever
The budget shamers always have one main card to play. “Would you trust your life with it” that’s what drives a lot of it too.
It’s almost like that’s a pretty important aspect or something….
sadly they don't understand they've been fooled by the marketing campaign, If the seller can you make you feel you've bought value, they can also make you think you've bought prestige. their are certain places when your money does attain a superior product such as optics & triggers
@@sandymitchell8182 The only person fooled by marketing is you. You clearly think shitty products with little to no QC are jUsT aS gUd.
@@AnrchyXRY you bought a Rivian didn't you? and sit at charging stations for 30 mins a day 🤣😂
@@somethingposerish5807 Dawg I drive a 3rd gen 4runner. Trying to make a comparison here with cars is going to end in you looking like an idiot.
Yeah... I completely agree. Range warriors and gun shop owners are terrible to newbies. Instead of being excited about bringing someone new into the fold. You are typically ridiculed and shamed for not knowing whatever you should supposedly know through osmosis. It's literally my main gripe against gun owners. I don't understand why the mentality exists. It makes getting started and making good decisions really difficult because you feel intimidated and thus won't ask more questions.
Amen to that!! It doesn't matter what you have or don't have as long as you know how to use it correctly. I am fairly new to the AR world and I am having a "BLAST" at it.... learning and building is a great tool to have. Stay safe! Keep armed!
I wonder how many of the shamers out there making fun of "poors" are actually in hock past their eyeballs and not paying their bills just so they can flout the latest and greatest, family and responsibility be dammed.
My son shoots his PSA with a TRS-25 better than my brother shoots his DD with a Vortex UH-1. Bro was an 11B with 3 tours to Afghanistan and rarely trains anymore. Son lives 1 mile from an outdoor range and he trains regularly. Hmmmm….
Firearms are like pool cues.........it's the user that gets the job done not the price of either 😉
Like any skill, use it or lose it
The moderate to large guntubers tout the elite builds but don’t have to pay for them. My builds work and perform to what I expect an AR to do.
Being on SS and a disabled vet, I have to go budget build. Right now I have a little over 400 in mine and I'm very happy
Thank you for your service ♥️ the holosun 403r is a great budget red dot. The surefire g2x plus Magpul light mount is a great budget light setup. Ferro concept slingster is a great sling.
The budget shaming is ridiculous stuff. I hear all kinds of stuff about my military spec Anderson and it shoots as good or better than a lot of the higher end AR’s. I believe people just want to justify their purchase.
Then when you have a malfunction they go see you shouldn’t have cheaped out after having 20+ malfunctions with proprietary parts and after you clear your malfunction they bitch about how your gun still works
I guarantee your anderson is NOT milspec lmao. JuSt aS gUd
There is a stigmata that budget means cheap or not good and that simply isn't the case. You simply determine what your needs are and then you let that dictate your budget.
You mean stigma, not stigmata.
@@raidwolf4088do you feel better now? Impowerd?
If you need a range toy you get at3
“Empowered” 😅
I was hoping to see my comment on Amazon, lol... I like to use my employee discount on 2A stuff here and there... Here in Arizona when you go to some ranges you can feel the stares as people try to figure out what lower or red dot you have, and don't you dare shoot better than them either😆
Totally agree!! And hello from a fellow AZ’n!
@@Rrose7 Hello to you sir🫡
Palmetto State Armory all the way. Best part is I can get 3 or 4 of them for the same price, and if it gets damaged, I'm not crying in my beer. Well let's be serious, Amy time you damage a gun, it can cause a tear. Their family members just like cars and cars.
I own 4 Palmetto State Armory from 2 AR15's to 2 AR10's and "NO" issues.....👍👍👍👍 Also the 4 of these rifles together cost as much as my Ruger SR762 when purchased new at $2,200 MSRP........
Imagine owning 4 copies of the same shitty gun instead of a decent quality one with good optics.
@@AnrchyXRY imagine having shi++y reading comprehension, when the dude says he has a 2200 dollar ar
Edit: also it's 2 copies of 2 different guns HERP DERP I CAN READ GUD
Edit2: i'd be willing to bet you're sig fanboi amirite?
@@somethingposerish5807 Cope and seethe poor
@@somethingposerish5807 Cope and seethe, poor. Have fun with your shitty “jUsT aS gUd” crap.
I don't have an endless stream of cash and I love the quality of your products. I've bought a few things from you guys and Tacticon Armament and the quality is amazing. To me, being a mechanic, having to have all the top name expensive gear is like only buying Snap-On when it's not the tool that gets the job done, it's the one using the tool.
First rifle i ever used was an M16. As a cop we had basic S&W ARs. The quality in my $480 PSA freedom rifle is better than both.
There are only a few parts in an AR where the money you spend actually matters. And those have diminishing returns, so spend just a bit more not a whole lot more. If you're not sure which parts those are, a budget build is perfectly acceptable.
I own sig, hk, PSA and S&W AR’s and all do exactly what I have expected from them flawless
One does everything significantly better, more reliably, and more accurately though. I’ll let you guess which one that is.
@@AnrchyXRY out of all 4 the SW which I purchased in 2010 is my favorite and the one I shoot the most and very accurate. The PSA is just as good as the sig and hk from MY PERSONAL experience. Between myself and my father we have over 200 long guns and several handguns. Most of those are collector guns. I myself would rather purchase 3 PSA or BCM versus one high end. That’s just my opinion and if one wants to buy those have at it! I will never budget shame anyone for buying a hoping or a maverick. I was hunting with a maverick in 93 when they were bottom of the barrel. Pretty sure dad paid $75 new. If I can consistently hit my target at 200 yards I’m happy or 40 yards with the shotty
@@SCouch-cw6je Your opinion is pretty fucking stupid. Just saying.
@@SCouch-cw6jeYour opinion is stupid as fuck honestly. And wrong.
@@SCouch-cw6jeYour opinion is stupid and wrong, unfortunately.
Since we're talking about budget, I'd love to see a Gear Grind Video with Travis's thoughts on a few budget friendly optics for those of us first time AR-15 owners who are looking to make the step up from iron sights.
Great suggestion!
From what I've picked up interacting with the internet 2A community, a "budget AR-15" is any AR-15 under $2000. So if you buy a $1600 AR-15, it's a budget rifle. Kind of like a budget optic is anything that is not a Vortex Razor. In fact, one youtube guy actually proclaimed that if you didn't spend at least $1600 on your optic, not only is your optic "bad", but you're a fudd. lol. Honestly, in my experience with the online 2A community, I've encountered more idiots than I have good spokespeople and it's not a good look for our cause.
Lets not forget the eotechs . Your a poor if you dont own a eotech . Most of these people are losers and probably dont have real skills
I spend my money on barrels, triggers and BCGs. Everything else is personal preference, and as long as the weapon is reliable, it doesn’t matter who made the parts. My first AR build was a QC10 9mm lower, and I spent a lot of money on that pistol. At some point along the way I grabbed a PSA 9mm lower and built a second pistol for my wife. Guess what? It runs just as well as my QC10. My AR308 is built with an Aero Precision receiver set, and that rifle flat out runs. You don’t need boutique parts. Spend your money on accuracy parts.
In this rapidly declining economy, many people have the same income as they had before the decline. Many now have several part time jobs or a lesser job than before. I celebrate everyone who joins the 2A community and buys firearms at this point. I spent 28yrs in the Army infantry. I trained a lot of soldiers. I have adopted the attitude of these new civilians joining our ranks as a new batch of recruits, right off the bus. One of my missions is to teach, train, coach and mentor. It started when my wife got her handgun license to carry. Soon I was training her girlfriends, ladies from church, my sister and all of her friends, and so it went and so it goes. I only do small groups, 10 max per session. They get individual instruction. This is BEFORE we even talk about a license. Once they are proficient, practice safety, and demonstrate they can easily pass the test, then we can plan for a test date. What does this have to do with budget guns? A lot. These are normal women. They are moms, grandmothers, they work, they are on a tight budget. Thank goodness for modern gun manufacturing. It has made decent, not too expensive guns that work, a reality. I refuse to tolerate people that think they can buy skills. I see it at the range all the time. I watched a guy with a Wilson Combat pistol shoot a 16" pattern (not a group) at 10 yards. I will put any of the women I have trained up against that guy with their Glock, Sig 365, S&W, or whatever they bought. The military fundamentals of shooting still apply and work. For all the veteran officers and NCOs out there, what was your most important responsibility? It was to ensure your people are trained and ready to fight. Make these new shooters your responsibility. Adopt one or two new shooters and train them well. Help grow our community the right way. (an aside: I only work with women because they listen and will do as they are asked to do. No bad habits to clean up.)
I wish someone would do a long-term study on different AR's (will never happen). I always hear that the more expensive the better it shoots (subjective), more reliable (but probably still had some malfunctions), and more accurate it is (is it? Using same ammo/sighting system/zeroed for same distance/environmental conditions the same/blah blah blah).
What I'm getting at is most of the metrics for better are subjective or anecdotal, without some hard data. I do know more expensive brands should be using better material and tighter specs but how much does that matter for the average, once in awhile shooter.
My first AR15 was the S&W MP sport....I think it is considered a "budget" gun...but it is still today the most consistent AR I own.
Very good discussion and informative… Thanks for making this video 👍
I have sigs - CZ - ruger and also PSA, as long as your getting quality that's the most important thing. Some people are more serious than other's when it comes to hardware.
I'm in the process of buying my first AR. Just ordered a BCM complete lower yesterday. I hate to admit it, but I was influenced to buy more premium because of the constant "budget shaming" I see on Reddit. A cheaper PSA for my first rifle would have probably been fine, but I'm glad I choose BCM for my first AR. I think I'll be happier down the road, instead of wanting to upgrade.
Shoot my “budget builds” way more than my Gucci builds.
I bet you don’t have any gucci builds to begin with
@@AnrchyXRY look one of those guys
@@US2A Hey look, another poor
@@AnrchyXRY a poor with more than you🤣
@@US2AYeah that’s a lie. Lying to a stranger is weird and pathetic. Feel free to prove it by posting a picture on imgur or something tho.
Real men pay the bills and take care of their family. Not live with their parents so they can buy a $2500 rifle.
Or you save money over a year or two and build a quality gun or you buy a few parts every so often until you get what you want
If you are just broke you could say that
@@HTMLRu1ezD00d I'm not broke. I save for retirement and raise a family and still buy gun stuff. But I'm not a fool who falls for the gun consumerism propaganda to earn internet Cool Points.
Most of them pay 25% APR they put on their now maxed out credit card
Hey, I have a wife and 3 kids that are 5, 2 and 1. I own a 2300 sq foot home and also have a $3,000+ DDM4 V7 setup. Not all of us live with our parents 😂 but my first AR was a Radical Firearms last year.
The first AR that I personally built was intentionally put together with lower cost parts and pieces. I wanted to learn for myself what did and didn't work without spending a ton on money. I still have the rifle. I don't know how many rounds I have put through it. But, the count is pretty high. If I had originally it together in it's current state I estimate it would cost between $600-$700. The gun works. It's reasonably accurate and has been pretty durable.
Actually in the process of building my first AR 15. it's very intimidating hearing about people having $2,000+ guns while I'm building a gun with extended and Ambi controls so I feel safer being a lefty shooter. Hell I picked my upper receiver because it was on sale and that the brass deflector had a more aggressive angle so hopefully it would keep the brass further from my face. I won't even lie I'm building this as cheaply as I can but I'm still looking for quality and comfort. I didn't even buy iron sights yet...
I will say the most confusing thing so far has been understanding the barrel/ gas system wish I could just buy a barrel kit (barrel, gas block, tub and nut)
I had to be a commet 70 and ruin it for everyone else I'm sorry.
My rifle was $350 before the scope, it’s a tack driver all day never fails,
I don't mind paying a bit more for higher quality, but I refuse to tack on an extra couple hundred bucks for a brand name. If it works and is in my budget you can't shame me because I don't give a flip what others think.
Just got the PSA Sabre chf fn geissel huxwrx upper and paired it to an aero lower with a rave 140 trigger with the Holosun scrs. Couldn’t be happier. I have two m&p15s as well as a bcm and I like my Frankenstein Sabre more while costing less. How can anyone talk shit about something just because of the price. You can’t buy common sense I’ll tell you that much 😂 be safe out there ✌️
Sabre isn’t budget haha, the uppers range from 600-900, BCM uppers are the same price.
I've built a few different ARs now and honestly my favorite is my cheapest piece of crap. I don't even shoot the one i stuck way too much money into. Shoot, build,buy what you want and can afford. I don't care what anyone else has, however if you have something awesome i will probably want to try it out.
I have interests in a lot of niches cold plunge, kayaks, fishing, bows, 3D printers, trucks and guns are some. I can't just buy the most expensive stuff in every category. I make a lot of money but that doesn't mean I want to spend it all. Budget builds are always nice to see
We completely agree.
Years ago when racing cross country dirt bikes, my brother and I developed a similar idea: “He who brags about how good he is, isn’t!”
Beware of the quiet and humble guy. He is good!
I may show up to the range with a budget gun or 2, but I have 10 more at home. And ammo for them all. May not have the nicest guns, but I'm definitely upping the per capita stats.
The Law of Diminishing Returns is definitely in effect within the gun industry. At some point, spending more money on "top tier" parts/brands doesn't translate to superior quality. In the AR universe, around $1,000 seems to be the sweet spot. Anything past that doesn't necessarily translate to superiority.
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After that last video, I found people that had no idea what a rail gun was and who builds one! They didn't understand a benchrest rifle was a gun. And most of the shamers have no idea what a rail gun costs to build. I traded in my benchrest rifles for AR platforms and now enjoy shooting with both eyes open on moving targets. Those that have a lot to say is a personality trait, not a knowledge trait. I used to hear people at the range, tell that it was impossible to shoot golf balls at 100M if they can't do it. Meaning, they saw me do it, but they have no idea what to say or do. Once they are taught to shoot golf balls, they can use open sights or scoped and hit the golf ball.
I help guys with this all the time. Buy in your budget and upgrade later. Put in a few hundred dryfire reps then hit the range. If you're rifle shoots 55gr ball ammo 3" or better at 100yds you are good to continue practicing. You are not a high-speed operator. Worsted case you are a militiamen. If you train regularly any short comings of your rifle and/or kit will become apparent to you. Buy that $400-$500 rifle and get to training! P.S. always remember safety first.
My favorite is when the budget-shamers instantly show incompetence when you start talking about tactics or actually shooting the gun. There’s a reason you see all the budget-shamers online and barely any high-end users at the range or in classes.
u guys are awesome! dont stop-
Doesn’t matter what you shoot or the price it’s about having fun as group and supporting others no matter what they have or what the price was , I cant stand the cocky arrogance a lot of shooters have of budget shaming it’s honestly why I don’t join most groups , if it shoots and it works for you who cares
As long as the target gets hit and you have fun is all that matters. I experience this with tools, Snap on vs Harbor Freight, if the nut gets loosened or the bolt gets tightened I don’t care what brand it is. If a Daniel Defense hits a target and a PSA build hits the same target what’s the big deal.
2a is 2a's worst enemy
Budget shaming is a waste of time. Expensive or budget, they all can fail for a variety of reasons. I am happy with my S&W M&P15 M4 style. I am also happy with my Spike's lower/BCM upper AR15. Both are reliable and well made.
Ha ha...it's not the bat. It's the man behind the bad who swings with conviction, and experience. You can't buy either.
The poor debate is a lot like organized religion. Its a way for some people to look down on others and feel theyre better than them when they're not.
I don't agree with budget shaming, if it's just shaming someone for not going with premium parts. However, there are some common habits that are dangerous, and ineffective that could stop for the same budget. For example, a lot of people get cheap red dot optics that are $40. They are designed for airsoft and can't hold a 0 on a real gun. If your budget is less than $100 for optics, you should be using iron sights. At least you'll be able to hit what you are aiming at. But the BIGGER problem is that people will have a Gucci rifle with expensive parts, or crazy decorated handguards, spending hundreds extra on looks, and then put an optic that can't hold 0 on it. This is what people refer to as plebeian. Make the rifle work before you start making it all pretty. The absolute cheapest red dot that I know of that works is the Romeo 5. It's $150 max, and you can freeze it, drop it, shoot it with birdshot and it will still hold 0.
Then you have parts that sound cool, but interfere with the safe usage of the firearm. Parts such as the BAD lever that put a lever inside your trigger guard for a function of the gun other than pulling the trigger. This violates a basic gun safety rule of keeping your finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire. So you just paid extra money to make your rifle less safe. The same goes when someone mounts their light switch inside the trigger guard. Skeletonized parts look cool, and as an INDOOR range toy that you keep in a case otherwise, i guess they work. The problem comes when something essential is skeletonized, exposing moving parts to sand and dirt. Now you've just made your rifle unreliable, and it probably cost extra money to do so. Bet it still has that same chinesium optic on it, too.
Another thing is part combinations that don't match, or try to make a one size fits all rifle. Why would you put a bipod on a rifle that does not have a scope? or put a foregrip on a rifle that does have a scope? You have to decide what the rifle is for, short, medium, or long range, and build it with parts, and even calibers that make sense. an AR pistol with a 4 inch barrel shouldn't be shooting 5.56. The round is designed to burn all its powder in a 20 inch barrel, and the military has already pushed it to the limit with its 11 inch suppressed m4, and new types of ammo. All you've made with a short barrelled 5.56 is a 22 with a blindingly bright and loud fireball. That is not useful. Try a pistol caliber or 300 blackout. Also, small short range guns should be lightweight, so that you can maneuver them in buildings if necessary. Don't put a 100 round drum on it, and don't try to put one of those dual Scope/Dot Sight optics. The short barrelled rifle is useless as a DMR, lacking power and accuracy. Conversely, a long range rifle benefits from being heavy (if you're not hiking), because the weight absorbs some of the recoil, making follow up shots easier.
Just remember, there's cookie cutter rifle styles for a good reason. If there were some novel idea that were useful, the militaries of the world would probably already be making/using them, since they have guys that just sit there with analytics and battle reports, thinking of new shit.
I'm a total REVERSE SNOB, I won't use expensive firearms and won't waste my money on overpriced name brands. Lol.
Budget shaming is partly driven by justification from those who've already spent a lot of money and need to continue justifying it. If they don't, they'll have to admit to themselves that their purchase was not the greatest.
Try being from California and showing your CA complaint rifle talk about shaming and stupid comments
Coming from the machining side of things there is definitely a higher quality of materials used in most high quality firearms. The tolerances are way tighter, QC is 100 fold better, and most firearms are hand fitted. But yes, once you get to a certian point, the law of diminishing return kicks in. Giesslle, SOLGW, DD, LWRC, and Seekins all make a high quality firearm. Anything above that is boogie, and is more likely handcrafted and has more hand fitted pieces. PSA, Anderson, Ruger, S&W, and many others are good starters rifles, but over time, you should save money back and buy something better.
Well said
Been around the M16 since 1975. 99% of fan boys would shit themselves if they had to go to war with what the US Army issues routinely to Infrannty soldiers. In the 1980's and 1990's if a soldier lost his weapon he was charged $200 to replace his weapon. So if the Army is only paying $200 per copy and all of the parts meet the TDP that speaks volumes. On the other hand you can not even purchase an FN AR barrel for $200 today on the civilian market. My oldest son had 120K rounds on his M4 before he went to Syria. They issued him a rebuilt M4 right before he left but cosmeticly it looks like it had been dragged behind a MRAP for a few thousands miles. Almost none of the "premium boutique" AR's are worth the squezzer once you start tearing them down and measuring parts!
Buy what you can afford and train with it.
Bought a Diamondback, and have been upgrading it, trying dozens of different gear pieces. My pewdiepew is definitely better, and perfectly fit to me and my needs, more so than if I grabbed a more pricey cookie cutter off the shelf.
Which does the job better?
- a no-name pawn shop guitar in Slash's hands?
- OR -
- a Les Paul Custom played by someone who barely knows 3 chords?
Guns are tools.
You are the weapon.
Can someone please forward this video over to Lucas from T.Rex? Thanks!
If that small percentage of gun owners that are budget shaming feel that way about budget gun owners I wonder how they fell, about those of use that have to purchase, less than budget. those of us that budget is top tier, high dollar expensive. Those of us, that are forced to buy the cheap of the cheap priced products, that even the budget minded manufacturers, dealers, and shops, make fun of and don't even care about if we can't spend X amount for budgeted products. those of us that HiPoint are expensive guns
For me it’s not about budget shaming as much as it is ignorant people that think that a $400 Ar is a duty grade weapon and then comment and advise newbies that it is all they could ever hope and dream to own. You get what you pay for up to a certain point with the Ar platform period
The us government pays around 700 a piece for their m4s . Thise m4s must be budget 😂
@@BlackoutPatriot no but they are bought in bulk on discount so that is like comparing apples to oranges good try
I what for sales on good quality parts and build build buld
Still weird to see you not talking about coral.
It seems to go both ways. I respect the budget minded people. But also I've seen many a post where someone makes the comment that's too expensive... how can you spend that much on... We all have our levels that we can afford.
Brother military grade just means us United States taxpayers bought lowest bid at thousands of dollars example m16a2 e3 at 7200.00 per weapon or hundreds of dollars for a 30.00 hammer.
Any AR is better than no AR.
Yes typically a "high end" AR will be better quality and the barrel will last longer but when that weapon is 5x the price of a budget one that i will still never burn out the barrel by shooting that much, why waste the money?
Is both Faxon bcg and barrel a good combo?
Faxon makes some nice stuff. I would check out Rosco for barrels and scionics for a bcg.
I shame only my friends or a way to 'rib' people as a joke. Hobbies are expensive and frankly so long as the thing works I don't rib people too hard. I do let em have it if the thing is a flat out a piece of junk and doesn't work - whatever it is.
as a roofer i love my high end hammer and air guns so on .but u can give me harbor frght shit and ill make shit happen
Put a Geissele sticker on your Poverty pony.😂😂😂😂😂 problem solved.
I'd rather fight next to a man with a 300$ rifle who can pee standing up and not spill a drop, than a man with a 3,000$ rifle who can't hit the bowl sitting down.
My Radical ar15 shoots better then my buddies fn.
My RF-15 is great. I've replaced grip and charging hammer, added a light and iron sites. It came with a cheap red dot. It is accurate and fires every time. My trigger is ok. In five years I'll replace the BCG and barrel if it needs it. I'll get a magnified prism optic when I find one I like. PSA or BCA or Davidson Arms would have probably been just as good.
So if your a neweeb and spend 5K on a rifle you get bullied.....that same person spends $500 on a rifle they get bullied. these same people would probably think i'm nuts if I spent $2000 on a nice suit or $600 on a quality pair of dress shoes and I shame them for their $149 suit and $45 dollar shoes, get what you can afford but please do some research, theirs good stuff out there for good prices, not everything has to be war quality for your at home rifle/pistol etc you get the point. We want people to get in to our hobby and be able to protect and enjoy themselves and use their 2A freedoms, lets welcome them in instead of shaming people, everyone has a budget! especially those just getting into the game. Be easy folks. I watched the CEO of PSA make a great point on the video with GOA , He know how much a gin cost to make, he basically states that why is his product so cheap....He ask why is theirs so expensive ? profit!!!
Just Like literally everything else, you get what you pay for in the long run. Some budget guns are decent but none will ever be great.
The world is full of phony people who for some reason think that they need to impress others who really could care less but they need to feel important for some weird reason.there just not worth your time.
Watched a guy with a Anderson AR win a competition over u name it for brands. Most made in same factories for most brands. Ur buying a name. If anyone tells u a rifle is 100% reliable they are a dam a liar. 🫡😁💰👍