Sam, thanks so much for doing this video. The info is super helpful. I have the same bike as yours coming next week and I'm super excited. I live in the mountains so will be doing all the trails. i love watching footage of you riding the trails where you live. Could you do more like that?
My opinion is to get a controller one level up from intended use, and turn it down in the settings. Later, a more powerful battery can supply the needed amps
Been watching your videos for a while now, looking into building an enduro. Which trail is that your riding? I live in Simi too, curious where that trail entrance is.
Hello yes there are two areas I usually go to one is in Big sky follow erringer up past Alamo trail entrance on the right hand side maybe a quarter mile up, the other one is over by the train station take Stearns past la cross the tracks just before you get into the housing track look to your right
Bought a surron 60 v and just waiting for my k5 8000w bike it's saying 120 kh hope it's got a sabovt 150 a controller 38 a with 72v big boy battery 🔋 just waiting
Awesome video as always my man. What do you think about those 2000watt ebike conversion kits? I just build mine and I'm hooked. This bike you have I want in the future
Sam, have you had any experience with the Estrapz Cyclone ebikes that are similar to this Enduro? I'm studying both like crazy, the 8000 watt Enduro is saying 100 amp controller vs 150 amp controller for the 8000 watt Estrapz??? I like the Enduro because I can order it with both seats, the standard and the moto. The Cyclone only comes with moto seat, have to downgrade to the Thunder to get both seats in the Estrapz line up and they have crazy large 21" tires? I would rather have 17" tires on the Cyclone but they are only offered with the 5000 watt Cyclone. So much info to wade through.
I would first find out how much the battery is putting out, is the battery putting out 150 amps? If it is then I would go with the 150amp controller that will get you close to 12,000 Watts (150amp x 72v)
@@samjohnson517 Thanks, I'm waiting to hear back from Estrapz about the battery's continuous amp output. Heck, I could go with their 5000 watt Cylcone, 80 amp controller with 72 v battery that comes out to 5760 watts which is probably more than I need anyway? I can get it for $3591.60 out the door tax included, plus it has the 17 inch tires I prefer. I'm 65 years old. Most of my riding will be well below 30 mph anyway. Thanks for your help. I subscribed to your channel. I like the way you explain all this to us beginners. I have an Ariel Rider X-Class and love it, but it's human nature to want to move up the food chain.
Great vid. Just to give people a heads up they should be careful about the quality of the battery they are getting if it's not from a reputable seller. A few here in NYC got their prebuilt AliExpress/baba Enduro bikes with rated size/speed but very bad voltage sag. Good quality 20-35+ amp discharge cells for a 72v 40ah build in the USA are around 12-1500 and that's only the cells without spot welder or man hours. These $2k prices for whole bike builds with battery are fishy. So worth building one of these for sure though!
I disagree. Getting new Samsung 3150 mAh cells from battery hookup leaves the total cell costs at around $720 if you want to fill up the frame with a 64Ah battery. Labor is probably less compensated in China so I think the price is justified at around $800-1k for a 40Ah battery imported from there. Frame and motor I've seen for around 800, cheap fork for 150, so I do think the 2k prices are somewhat reasonable.
@@dimitrisliveris6968 You mean the Samsung 33G the 9.75 Amp discharge cell?. You can def build a pack with those but the Molicel's Sam used for his type of performance are rated at what 35 Amps per cell? and thats the 18650. Let's say a 20s15p (300 cells) pack at 10 amps per cell and thats a max of 150 amps. I def don't want to run my packs near full max (more like 50%) so they go on 🔥
Don't quote me on this but I read somewhere that cheap batch of Samsung's may be from a large contaminated lot Samsung got rid of on the cheap. Normally those cells are like 5 bucks each. I was thinking of building a pack from those myself for a less powerful build. Maybe they are perfect but that's not the normal price.
Hey Sam congrats on the latest vids. Nice content. I was wondering after now you have been riding your Ebike for a while I am worried about 3 things. First off how are the internals holding up because I don’t plan on doing no motocross on this but i will do some light long trails out in my woods can the battery and controller take the jarring and bumps I am putting foam underneath battery. Also you ride on very similar dry and loose kind of terrain have you had any problems with fine grit such as sand messing up your motor or anything. Lastly is water in your opinion how water resistant is this bike as I am worried about my hub motor rusting inside I would not be doing anything muddy but I may get stuck out in some light rain here and there.
Hello and thank you for watching I have about 2,000 miles on mine and it's holding up great no real problems the electronics seem to be bulletproof. When I wash it I'm careful I just splash the rims and I try not to get any water in where the battery is basically give it a sponge bath LOL I have soaked the motor a few times though, water does not seem to hurt it at all and no issues with sand or dirt at all really
Hello and thank you for, the motor model is common , it's called the qs205v3 the V3 is means version 3 so if they have a version 4 obviously go for that lol the the 5T and the 3.5t that's the turns of the motor basically if you want high speed less torque you go for the 3.5 if you want high torque but a lower top speed go for the 5.0
@@samjohnson517 do you know what kind of benefits higher torque has exactly? I know it has higher mountain climbing ability but I'm unsure what else it does.
If the controller is a sabaton which it probably is yes and if you buy the controller with the motor as a kit you're probably not going to have to do anything as far as set up they usually test it so it's just plug and play when you get it
@@samjohnson517 I bought it, it is a risun motor brand, the 5000w kit would be necessary to configure it as you have it, so that it gives all the strength and speed?
@@samjohnson517 Hello, I tried the configuration and it worked for me, I had a problem since only the motor moved without accelerating and it was due to the voltage in the configuration, can I use that same configuration that you have without the controller or motor being the same?
If my motor is 6kw, should I still go with a 150+amps or is that recommendation for 12kw only? How many amps should I go for with a 6kw motor? 80 amps?
I have the qs205 motor rated for 5,000 Watts and I consistently put 12,000 through it without any problems but I'm not sure if the motor you're talking about is a qs motor or not
Some seller offered me a 6000w bike with a 72v 46.6ah EVE battery, you think that's enough? Also is it better to have 19/21" wheels if I'm 6.4" tall? Or should I go with a 2000w slower bike with 26" inches wheels?
Sounds like the 19/21 are motorcycle wheels if so definitely go with those. The battery, they always use that ah rating because they can fudge it it's just for range has nothing really to do with the power find out what the continuous amp rating is and also find out the continuous amp rating of the controller
Hey Mauro! Which wheels did you go with? Im at the same now trying to figure out if going for 19/21 or 26, Im 6.4" as well, 19/21 "feels" way to tiny! But 26 kinda looks weird on these bikes. The other option is 26*4 wheels which look to wide I think. (The 26*2.6 look to narrow)
@@AbcAbc-k3u9x Hey, I asked the Chinese factory and they told me the fat wheels make the bike slightly shorter. Also 26 and 19/21 seem to be around the same height on the two models I was looking (zoom fork vs KKE fork). I only had the chance to try the 26” with motorbike seat and felt impossible to pedal, so they thing that will make the most difference is adding a bike seat if you’re going to pedal. I think I will go for 19/21 wheels with bike seat. Or leave the motorbike seat and use it only on throttle.
You dont need 150 continues output if your controller is 150A you only need around 120A and its not really continues power its what the BMS limit on the battery is the BMS is set for safety
@@samjohnson517 awesome link worked.. one last question did u have the link to the motor kit u used? Or if the link is broken the model and specs etc thanks
@@samjohnson517 awesome link worked.. one last question did u have the link to the motor kit u used? Or if the link is broken the model and specs etc thanks
@@brianpino7274 unfortunately I cannot get that one to work it is a Alibaba link if you search on Alibaba search 5000 w ebike kit the seller is Ncycle I just picked that kit upgraded the controller to 150 amp and added the front wheel and the motor is a 3.5t told them to keep the brake levers they only send cable brakes that's not going to work at 60 miles an hour LOL
Well I guess it depends, it sounds like a good price but does it have motorcycle wheels or bicycle wheels? the forks are probably zoom, are they using a qs205 motor? how many amps is the controller no sense asking about the battery because that's probably going to be on the low power side.
@@samjohnson517 19" motorcycle rims like yours. not sure about the forks but I do believe the motor is QS205. I had the controller upgraded to 150A but I'm thinking of a 100A electronic limit to stop it from overheating.
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Sam, thanks so much for doing this video. The info is super helpful. I have the same bike as yours coming next week and I'm super excited. I live in the mountains so will be doing all the trails. i love watching footage of you riding the trails where you live. Could you do more like that?
Good honest & to the point ☝️ good job
My opinion is to get a controller one level up from intended use, and turn it down in the settings. Later, a more powerful battery can supply the needed amps
Been watching your videos for a while now, looking into building an enduro. Which trail is that your riding? I live in Simi too, curious where that trail entrance is.
Hello yes there are two areas I usually go to one is in Big sky follow erringer up past Alamo trail entrance on the right hand side maybe a quarter mile up, the other one is over by the train station take Stearns past la cross the tracks just before you get into the housing track look to your right
I would love to see you explain how to lace spokes onto a hub motor, I feel like it would be a no bullshit explanation from you.
Hello and thank you for watching I am sorry I can't help you on that one I bought the motor complete with the rim.
good video sam
Bought a surron 60 v and just waiting for my k5 8000w bike it's saying 120 kh hope it's got a sabovt 150 a controller 38 a with 72v big boy battery 🔋 just waiting
Awesome video as always my man.
What do you think about those 2000watt ebike conversion kits?
I just build mine and I'm hooked.
This bike you have I want in the future
Yeah I looked into doing one of those conversions for my mountain bike, I bet that thing moves pretty good because it's so light.
Sam, have you had any experience with the Estrapz Cyclone ebikes that are similar to this Enduro? I'm studying both like crazy, the 8000 watt Enduro is saying 100 amp controller vs 150 amp controller for the 8000 watt Estrapz??? I like the Enduro because I can order it with both seats, the standard and the moto. The Cyclone only comes with moto seat, have to downgrade to the Thunder to get both seats in the Estrapz line up and they have crazy large 21" tires? I would rather have 17" tires on the Cyclone but they are only offered with the 5000 watt Cyclone. So much info to wade through.
I would first find out how much the battery is putting out, is the battery putting out 150 amps? If it is then I would go with the 150amp controller that will get you close to 12,000 Watts (150amp x 72v)
@@samjohnson517 Thanks, I'm waiting to hear back from Estrapz about the battery's continuous amp output. Heck, I could go with their 5000 watt Cylcone, 80 amp controller with 72 v battery that comes out to 5760 watts which is probably more than I need anyway? I can get it for $3591.60 out the door tax included, plus it has the 17 inch tires I prefer. I'm 65 years old. Most of my riding will be well below 30 mph anyway. Thanks for your help. I subscribed to your channel. I like the way you explain all this to us beginners. I have an Ariel Rider X-Class and love it, but it's human nature to want to move up the food chain.
Great vid. Just to give people a heads up they should be careful about the quality of the battery they are getting if it's not from a reputable seller. A few here in NYC got their prebuilt AliExpress/baba Enduro bikes with rated size/speed but very bad voltage sag. Good quality 20-35+ amp discharge cells for a 72v 40ah build in the USA are around 12-1500 and that's only the cells without spot welder or man hours. These $2k prices for whole bike builds with battery are fishy. So worth building one of these for sure though!
I disagree. Getting new Samsung 3150 mAh cells from battery hookup leaves the total cell costs at around $720 if you want to fill up the frame with a 64Ah battery. Labor is probably less compensated in China so I think the price is justified at around $800-1k for a 40Ah battery imported from there. Frame and motor I've seen for around 800, cheap fork for 150, so I do think the 2k prices are somewhat reasonable.
@@dimitrisliveris6968 You mean the Samsung 33G the 9.75 Amp discharge cell?. You can def build a pack with those but the Molicel's Sam used for his type of performance are rated at what 35 Amps per cell? and thats the 18650. Let's say a 20s15p (300 cells) pack at 10 amps per cell and thats a max of 150 amps. I def don't want to run my packs near full max (more like 50%) so they go on 🔥
Don't quote me on this but I read somewhere that cheap batch of Samsung's may be from a large contaminated lot Samsung got rid of on the cheap. Normally those cells are like 5 bucks each. I was thinking of building a pack from those myself for a less powerful build. Maybe they are perfect but that's not the normal price.
@@718og I'm not planning on running 150 amps. The limit I'm going for is closer to 100, so it should be fine.
@@718og I don't care because I'm just building it myself, it's a personal build. If it were commercial I'd be concerned but I think they're fine.
Where are you at? That scenery is beautiful.
Hello thank you for watching that is Simi valley California
Hey Sam congrats on the latest vids. Nice content. I was wondering after now you have been riding your Ebike for a while I am worried about 3 things. First off how are the internals holding up because I don’t plan on doing no motocross on this but i will do some light long trails out in my woods can the battery and controller take the jarring and bumps I am putting foam underneath battery. Also you ride on very similar dry and loose kind of terrain have you had any problems with fine grit such as sand messing up your motor or anything. Lastly is water in your opinion how water resistant is this bike as I am worried about my hub motor rusting inside I would not be doing anything muddy but I may get stuck out in some light rain here and there.
Hello and thank you for watching I have about 2,000 miles on mine and it's holding up great no real problems the electronics seem to be bulletproof. When I wash it I'm careful I just splash the rims and I try not to get any water in where the battery is basically give it a sponge bath LOL I have soaked the motor a few times though, water does not seem to hurt it at all and no issues with sand or dirt at all really
@@samjohnson517 wow thanks so much man this really helped
Hi Sam, what model of motor was you suing in this video, 3.5T, 5T? Thank you.
Hello and thank you for, the motor model is common , it's called the qs205v3 the V3 is means version 3 so if they have a version 4 obviously go for that lol the the 5T and the 3.5t that's the turns of the motor basically if you want high speed less torque you go for the 3.5 if you want high torque but a lower top speed go for the 5.0
@@samjohnson517 do you know what kind of benefits higher torque has exactly? I know it has higher mountain climbing ability but I'm unsure what else it does.
Does that controller setup work the same for a 5000w 3.5T motor and a 100amp controller?
If the controller is a sabaton which it probably is yes and if you buy the controller with the motor as a kit you're probably not going to have to do anything as far as set up they usually test it so it's just plug and play when you get it
@@samjohnson517
I bought it, it is a risun motor brand, the 5000w kit would be necessary to configure it as you have it, so that it gives all the strength and speed?
@@samjohnson517 Hello, I tried the configuration and it worked for me, I had a problem since only the motor moved without accelerating and it was due to the voltage in the configuration, can I use that same configuration that you have without the controller or motor being the same?
Do you think the stealth 72v 1500 w 49a would be good for jumps and a good price? I don't want to break this thing goes for 3500 American
15000w 72v 58ah 200amp sabvoton controller 200amp bms 93mph
If my motor is 6kw, should I still go with a 150+amps or is that recommendation for 12kw only? How many amps should I go for with a 6kw motor? 80 amps?
I have the qs205 motor rated for 5,000 Watts and I consistently put 12,000 through it without any problems but I'm not sure if the motor you're talking about is a qs motor or not
Some seller offered me a 6000w bike with a 72v 46.6ah EVE battery, you think that's enough? Also is it better to have 19/21" wheels if I'm 6.4" tall? Or should I go with a 2000w slower bike with 26" inches wheels?
Sounds like the 19/21 are motorcycle wheels if so definitely go with those. The battery, they always use that ah rating because they can fudge it it's just for range has nothing really to do with the power find out what the continuous amp rating is and also find out the continuous amp rating of the controller
Hey Mauro! Which wheels did you go with? Im at the same now trying to figure out if going for 19/21 or 26, Im 6.4" as well, 19/21 "feels" way to tiny! But 26 kinda looks weird on these bikes. The other option is 26*4 wheels which look to wide I think. (The 26*2.6 look to narrow)
@@AbcAbc-k3u9x Hey, I asked the Chinese factory and they told me the fat wheels make the bike slightly shorter. Also 26 and 19/21 seem to be around the same height on the two models I was looking (zoom fork vs KKE fork). I only had the chance to try the 26” with motorbike seat and felt impossible to pedal, so they thing that will make the most difference is adding a bike seat if you’re going to pedal. I think I will go for 19/21 wheels with bike seat. Or leave the motorbike seat and use it only on throttle.
Does your enduro ebike have pedal assist?
No I never set it up
@@samjohnson517 When you had set up the Sabvoton Controller did it come with a PAS wire connector? Where did you get the controller?
@@insungkang5694 hello no it does not have a pas wire connector, I bought it in a kit with the motor from a company called n cycle on Alibaba
You dont need 150 continues output if your controller is 150A you only need around 120A and its not really continues power its what the BMS limit on the battery is the BMS is set for safety
What bms are u running on this bike?
ANT 300amp 20s here's a link not sure if it's going to work
a.aliexpress.com/_mKC3yow
@@samjohnson517 awesome link worked.. one last question did u have the link to the motor kit u used? Or if the link is broken the model and specs etc thanks
@@samjohnson517 awesome link worked.. one last question did u have the link to the motor kit u used? Or if the link is broken the model and specs etc thanks
@@brianpino7274 unfortunately I cannot get that one to work it is a Alibaba link if you search on Alibaba search 5000 w ebike kit the seller is Ncycle I just picked that kit upgraded the controller to 150 amp and added the front wheel and the motor is a 3.5t told them to keep the brake levers they only send cable brakes that's not going to work at 60 miles an hour LOL
If you don't live on ground floor level or have large elevator in building think before you buy. The only setback
Oh yeah you're absolutely right that thing is a beast , super heavy
Do you think $2500 (including shipping) is a fair price for a 40AH 5000w enduro ebike that has the terrible steel frame?
Well I guess it depends, it sounds like a good price but does it have motorcycle wheels or bicycle wheels? the forks are probably zoom, are they using a qs205 motor? how many amps is the controller no sense asking about the battery because that's probably going to be on the low power side.
@@samjohnson517 19" motorcycle rims like yours. not sure about the forks but I do believe the motor is QS205. I had the controller upgraded to 150A but I'm thinking of a 100A electronic limit to stop it from overheating.
1:00 sorry is that an ufo?
K5 8000w ebike speicist Jessie luo agent said its not resiicedt 72v 40amp 150 sabouvt dude cool
I low key thought he was doing a talk over video for a second..