Put the quaife diff in a 235i 5 years ago and it transformed the car. it immediately removed the tendency to spin up the inside wheel out of a junction or tight corner. Must admit it frightened me occasionally when the road was damp, under hard acceleration the rear end had a tendency to follow the camber and drop the tail out on a straight road, somehow the TC didn't pick it up the same. The M2 I changed to seemed to handle it better but if I had a 35/40 1 or 2 series would always be the first mod on the car (unless its got run flats then obviously get rid of those first).
@@serventofthedeen5885 the ride definitely suffers but the one trait I found to be of most concern was that if you hit a bump with the inside wheels mid corner the cars skip out. This was cured the two times I changed from run flats to regular tyres.
Great video Luke, I remember in the day a LSD was a good option to tick on a mid 80s 325i . The company I worked treated us to a day at Knock Hill to try all the cars, and Karts. The highlight was on the skid pan with a BMW 318 with skinny tyres on the back, a great learning experience.
a better explanation would have been that when accelerating on a bumpy road out of a corner and the inside wheel would spin up, with an LSD it doesn't... they hook up and get on with it. An open diff would have acted the same on the skid pan.
If Take your car to the track then yes well worth the money, if not then not such a great mod as you’ll never really get to utilise it fully. Also possibly the slowest a m140i has ever gone on a video uploaded to RUclips
This ^ It's a great mod if you're rich, and you can afford to thrash it around a track every weekend, and constantly buy tyres for it, but for those of us who have M140i's as daily drivers and family cars, it's an expensive mod which isn't really needed. It also makes the front end understeer more, meaning you have to widen the track at the front with spacers, and add camber (which eats tyres even more). Suspension mods, and an underbody brace, are much cheaper and will yield much more of an advantage in 95% of situations.
@@DjNikGnashers I own a M240i and I would argue that getting the LSD was the best mod I did. I haven't been to a track day yet. I think it really depends on the person who is driving the car and their own expectations and driving habits.
@@harbl2479 I hear what you're saying, but realistically, how often do you accelerate around a corner, so hard that the rears lose traction ? If you drive the car hard, all the time, then yes quite often. The average person will drive the car at the same speed as all the other traffic on the road, which is f-ing slow lets be honest. The only time I get the back end out, is a few times at the weekend, if I have chance to go for a hoon. In that situation an LSD would help me be quicker, but I bought the car for fun, and I can slide the back end out around roundabouts without an LSD, and it's great fun. It may also help when launching it, but tbh I have mechanical sympathy for the ZF8, and I don't really launch it very often. On a rolling race, which is really what 99.9% of road races are, the LSD makes no difference, because I am already rolling and have traction. So, while I agree it does improve rear end grip, at the expense of some additional understeer, I stand by my comment that it is an expensive (£2200+) mod, which in 95% of situations (maybe 99%) does not really make any difference to the car (on the road). An underbody brace (£135) makes a big difference, so £ for £ it is a much more worthwhile mod. edit to add : ruclips.net/video/-ZydJTSXLOE/видео.html Mark Cup70 has found out the hard way, fitting a diff, eats his rear tyres a lot more, even just normal driving. This might not even be a consideration to you, but it is for the vast majority of owners who don't have bottomless pockets :-))
@@harbl2479 I have owned other BMW's in the past with LSD's, it's not like I don't know ..... You really need to address my comments and the points I made, instead of just replying with an irrelevant opinion matey.
No it’s a lifetime oil filling, so it’s not sheduled to have fixed services. But for sure you can change it from time to time, only ca 1 L needs to be sucked out and filled again
Hi Luke, have you ever heard a rubbing noise coming from the front wheel area while turning and driving slow in the M140i? Happening with mine and dont know what it is.
i agree. I also added the AC Schnitzer suspension and found the car gripped so much better. Given the cost, I don't think the LSD is worth doing unless you are tracking the car and pushing it to the limit and looking for good times
@@derekporter66 yeah mate - shop.ac-schnitzer.co.uk/suspension-upgrades-46-c.asp. I had a full conversion done including the power module. It was an expensive way to modify the car but, personally, I find it really works together well making the car more well rounded. What surprised me most was the suspension made the car more comfortable whilst still transforming the handling.
Robert Gladstone I’m stuck between either springs ( MSS) or going full out on a kit for my 240i. Suspension is poor and doesn’t give confidence unless the surface is smooth. Was that kit recommended to u? And how much was it all with labour if u don’t mind me asking mate
Please learn the difference between LSD and open differential. Open diffs will send the power to the wheel with the least amount of grip. A limited slip differential allows a small amount of slip on the clutch between driven wheels before it locks- it's not to do with the amount the wheels are allowed to lose grip
Don't know what the hell bmw were thinking not installing lsd as standard. It's an awesome car but with the driver aids turned off an lsd is an essential item. Even ford had the sense to fit a quaife atb to the focus when they borrowed the volvo t5 power plant. Come on bavaria sort yourselves out!
@@hampshirephoto How about a Cheap Car Challenge like Top Gear would have done in the oldern days? I have done such a Challenge and it is the most fun, you could have. Since you are clearly someone who likes Performance, why don't you do a Sports Cars for under 1000 Pounds Challenge? ;)
Jim 86 this is why you shouldn’t assume was going on a straight line moving from a grippy surface to slippy surface in the pouring rain 1 wheel lost grip one wheel retained grip and snapped me sideways with and LSD that doesn’t happen
Id hardly say overrated. A cheap b12 coilover kit is 520 quid and they dont really need a lsd for public road driving just better tyres. On the positive side, no other hot hatch is, 6 cyl, RWD, 350bhp with good build quality.
@@carmad1287 just because somthing is rear wheel drive doesn't mean it's a automatically a good car. You put £520 cheap dampers on a car, I put you money on it they wont last long. The amount of money what's been spent on this car he would of been better buying an m2. They again, majority of people who watch this Chanel are sheep and cant see past a BMW, VW or a merc A45.
@@davidkelly2542 Bilstein dampers wont last long? Where exactly do you get your stats from they are high quality monotube dampers, probably better than most dampers you get as standard on other hot hatches.
Luke, no relation to the video but when are you getting a trim?
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He looks more like Henry Catchpole every vid 🙂
The barbers are open now mate 👍🏼
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Put the quaife diff in a 235i 5 years ago and it transformed the car. it immediately removed the tendency to spin up the inside wheel out of a junction or tight corner. Must admit it frightened me occasionally when the road was damp, under hard acceleration the rear end had a tendency to follow the camber and drop the tail out on a straight road, somehow the TC didn't pick it up the same. The M2 I changed to seemed to handle it better but if I had a 35/40 1 or 2 series would always be the first mod on the car (unless its got run flats then obviously get rid of those first).
Why get rid of run flats?
@@serventofthedeen5885 the ride definitely suffers but the one trait I found to be of most concern was that if you hit a bump with the inside wheels mid corner the cars skip out. This was cured the two times I changed from run flats to regular tyres.
6:03 look at the positive camber on full lock, no wonder they eat the outer edge of the tyre
Great video Luke, I remember in the day a LSD was a good option to tick on a mid 80s 325i . The company I worked treated us to a day at Knock Hill to try all the cars, and Karts. The highlight was on the skid pan with a BMW 318 with skinny tyres on the back, a great learning experience.
When my dad bought his Impreza in 2004 he got to do the skid pad at Knockhill for free
My uncle Derek owns Knockhill! Spent many summers up there
@@jimjamthebananaman1 Derek as in Rory's dad? I know Rory 😂
Thanks!!
With so little grip on that surface an open diff would drive very much the same, not a great demonstration
exactly, my m140 always locks spins both wheels in the wet
The Diff in the Golf GTI is absolutely Ace. I seriously recommend checking it out.
I agree
@Adam7890 The Standard. Its brilliant
a better explanation would have been that when accelerating on a bumpy road out of a corner and the inside wheel would spin up, with an LSD it doesn't... they hook up and get on with it.
An open diff would have acted the same on the skid pan.
If Take your car to the track then yes well worth the money, if not then not such a great mod as you’ll never really get to utilise it fully. Also possibly the slowest a m140i has ever gone on a video uploaded to RUclips
This ^
It's a great mod if you're rich, and you can afford to thrash it around a track every weekend, and constantly buy tyres for it, but for those of us who have M140i's as daily drivers and family cars, it's an expensive mod which isn't really needed. It also makes the front end understeer more, meaning you have to widen the track at the front with spacers, and add camber (which eats tyres even more).
Suspension mods, and an underbody brace, are much cheaper and will yield much more of an advantage in 95% of situations.
@@DjNikGnashers I own a M240i and I would argue that getting the LSD was the best mod I did. I haven't been to a track day yet. I think it really depends on the person who is driving the car and their own expectations and driving habits.
@@harbl2479 I hear what you're saying, but realistically, how often do you accelerate around a corner, so hard that the rears lose traction ? If you drive the car hard, all the time, then yes quite often.
The average person will drive the car at the same speed as all the other traffic on the road, which is f-ing slow lets be honest. The only time I get the back end out, is a few times at the weekend, if I have chance to go for a hoon. In that situation an LSD would help me be quicker, but I bought the car for fun, and I can slide the back end out around roundabouts without an LSD, and it's great fun.
It may also help when launching it, but tbh I have mechanical sympathy for the ZF8, and I don't really launch it very often.
On a rolling race, which is really what 99.9% of road races are, the LSD makes no difference, because I am already rolling and have traction.
So, while I agree it does improve rear end grip, at the expense of some additional understeer, I stand by my comment that it is an expensive (£2200+) mod, which in 95% of situations (maybe 99%) does not really make any difference to the car (on the road). An underbody brace (£135) makes a big difference, so £ for £ it is a much more worthwhile mod.
edit to add :
ruclips.net/video/-ZydJTSXLOE/видео.html
Mark Cup70 has found out the hard way, fitting a diff, eats his rear tyres a lot more, even just normal driving. This might not even be a consideration to you, but it is for the vast majority of owners who don't have bottomless pockets :-))
Nik Gnashers
You should try the lsd
@@harbl2479 I have owned other BMW's in the past with LSD's, it's not like I don't know .....
You really need to address my comments and the points I made, instead of just replying with an irrelevant opinion matey.
Great fun filming mate - so hard to convey the feeling the LSD gives you through the camera 😩
The diff is the one thing that the 140 should have had from factory but for the M2 it would have
Am I right in thinking that the oil in the M-Performance LSD needs to be changed periodically as part of the service schedule?
D R yes but even a standard diff needs oil changes
No it’s a lifetime oil filling, so it’s not sheduled to have fixed services.
But for sure you can change it from time to time, only ca 1 L needs to be sucked out and filled again
Please donate 5p to the ‘get Luke an Haircut’ fund 😂.
I’ve got the Quaife LSD and it’s my favourite mod
keep the hair bud
It’s growing into all of us.
Nice content as always
Good vid. What % tint do you have on your windows, look really good. I’d like mine darker but not looking like a van!
Thanks! This is factory tint
I have a remapped 225d with around 270hp and over 400lbs torque. Back end is very tricky on a cold damp day. Do they make lsd for diesels ?
If I'm correct it's down to the gearbox if it has the auto you may be able to get something
Hi Luke, have you ever heard a rubbing noise coming from the front wheel area while turning and driving slow in the M140i? Happening with mine and dont know what it is.
The Barbers are open now you know Luke! 😀
is thruxton skid pan open now? I wanted to go since last year but never had time :( then lockdown
how often do your tyres need changing?
Hi mate what are the wheels called that you have got on your car cheers Aaron
What’s the best brand lsd for 140i?
So if your car is four wheel drive should you or can you get a limited slip differential for that car .
What size number plates are you using mate?
Id be getting a haircut before buying anymore parts if i were you
Which lsd did you put it your car
Changed tyres recently from PSS to PS4. Big difference.
i agree. I also added the AC Schnitzer suspension and found the car gripped so much better. Given the cost, I don't think the LSD is worth doing unless you are tracking the car and pushing it to the limit and looking for good times
@@robertgladstone5194 got a link? Next upgrade is springs for me
@@derekporter66 yeah mate - shop.ac-schnitzer.co.uk/suspension-upgrades-46-c.asp. I had a full conversion done including the power module. It was an expensive way to modify the car but, personally, I find it really works together well making the car more well rounded. What surprised me most was the suspension made the car more comfortable whilst still transforming the handling.
Robert Gladstone I’m stuck between either springs ( MSS) or going full out on a kit for my 240i. Suspension is poor and doesn’t give confidence unless the surface is smooth. Was that kit recommended to u? And how much was it all with labour if u don’t mind me asking mate
JO3KAH the problem is with the shocks ,fitting the mss springs won’t help much as they have a high spring rate
You need a haircut mate 😂.
Just drove a 2020 Polo GTI with an LSD yesterday, and I was surprised at how unsettled the car was even under wheel spin
It’s an E-LSD I thought? Not a proper LSD because it’s operated by breaking a inside wheel?
Assuming on 700hp rwd e63, lsd would be very helpful, as it brakes traction fairly easy, for road use only
Luke barbers are open now just saying 😀
i did also wonder what happened to his head
Honestly of all mods I have done to my M140i the LSD was the best mod!
Recognize that Andover roundabout.... Good slip way too
When was the skid pan part filmed?
Last weekend
Do u need hit the gas for the lsd to work when ur cornering?
Yes, you wouldn’t want it locked on all the time
do these work with 340i?
An LSD would be the best mod for any RWD car. Infact BMWs use to have them stock
Your old brother works with Matt Farah at The Smoking Tyre
I think the mod is great but it is pretty expensive from my perspective.
@Juliano Bassetto about 2k
@@Islam_is_the_truth.4 Yeah if you buy outright....birds do a oem swap for like £500 iirc
@@rtorbs lol no its 2k from birds!
Please learn the difference between LSD and open differential. Open diffs will send the power to the wheel with the least amount of grip. A limited slip differential allows a small amount of slip on the clutch between driven wheels before it locks- it's not to do with the amount the wheels are allowed to lose grip
Don't know what the hell bmw were thinking not installing lsd as standard. It's an awesome car but with the driver aids turned off an lsd is an essential item. Even ford had the sense to fit a quaife atb to the focus when they borrowed the volvo t5 power plant. Come on bavaria sort yourselves out!
Is this worth it on a M140i xDrive?
yes!! feels much better coming out turns
Glad you have fun bruh! You do need a carbon bonnet to bring the beast outta your car!
Hey, what are you planning to do, when you hit 50.000 subscribers?
Not sure actually! 🤔
@@hampshirephoto How about a Cheap Car Challenge like Top Gear would have done in the oldern days? I have done such a Challenge and it is the most fun, you could have. Since you are clearly someone who likes Performance, why don't you do a Sports Cars for under 1000 Pounds Challenge? ;)
didn’t know Stephen Hawking used to make bmw vids before he ended up in a wheelchair😅
I thought he had the upgraded display inside?
So thats what austin powers jr is up to
Bought a speced out one on the 4th of July and crashed it fully believe it’s because it didn’t have an LSD
literally same here, i had open diff on passive suspension and i got bounced off the road
You crashed it because your probably in your twenties. Trying to get sideways on the road is not the one.....
Jim 86 this is why you shouldn’t assume was going on a straight line moving from a grippy surface to slippy surface in the pouring rain 1 wheel lost grip one wheel retained grip and snapped me sideways with and LSD that doesn’t happen
So you’re in your 20s and made a mistake, like most young drivers.
I'm in my twenties and have a m135i , no LSD can get it sideways rag it over bumps , never had an issue has it over a year now
Looks like great fun, but selling the 86 😓👎🏼
Barbers are open btw, just a heads up haha
Want to do a comparison vid with an open diff M240i? 😆
Drift King
LSD on skid pan pointless doesn't confer the benefits at all. way way too slippy
hahaha nice training
Where's the trim bro
He’s never getting one
Please review your hair :DDDDDDDD
Cool mod but not much point unless you take it to the track TBH.
You get better traction, so it’s usefull
Its absolutely ridiculous BMW didn't do this as standard
Haircut!
I Love lsd
Are you doing actual sign language?
A limited slip differential is more worse on high speed corners than non slip differential !!!
Why on earth would you test on a skid pan why not on tarmac where most people will be using it on 🤔
Max adem til sidst
Don't trim lol, ignore comments, keep drifting
Please get a trim off BossMan
bruh a haircut plz
Hi mate you need a hair or has my dad would .or get a violin 😁😁
A???
hahahhaha😅
Can u plz concentrate either explain or drift wth
Massively overrated these cars, you have spend a lot of money for them to be decent. Rubbish as standard, more of a gt than a hot hatch
Whats your choice then?
@@silusjackson7244 Civic Type R Fk8. Then Focus St is meant to be really good now although a little bland to look at
Id hardly say overrated.
A cheap b12 coilover kit is 520 quid and they dont really need a lsd for public road driving just better tyres.
On the positive side, no other hot hatch is, 6 cyl, RWD, 350bhp with good build quality.
@@carmad1287 just because somthing is rear wheel drive doesn't mean it's a automatically a good car. You put £520 cheap dampers on a car, I put you money on it they wont last long.
The amount of money what's been spent on this car he would of been better buying an m2. They again, majority of people who watch this Chanel are sheep and cant see past a BMW, VW or a merc A45.
@@davidkelly2542 Bilstein dampers wont last long? Where exactly do you get your stats from they are high quality monotube dampers, probably better than most dampers you get as standard on other hot hatches.
What a rubbish driver