To be fair, Enticity brought an army that was playing against the strenghts of the mortar. No big gun lines or big infantry blobs that would get rekt by the mortar at the start of the game.
Drazoath: "Ok, i know they're just goblins but we need as many bodies as we can get on the field so DON'T shoot them just because you're feeling particularly dickish today" The mortar crew: "Sure thing boss" *3 minutes later* Drazoath: "Hashut damm you all...." The mortar crew: "In our defense, we were aiming at the Haunters" The demon in the engine: *"I wasn't =)"*
@@thememe986 you think the magma cannons should be left as they are? They two shot elite infantry and I've seen them do 1/2-2/3 hp damage to heavy cav in a single shot. Plus they never miss a shot. They're completely busted as they are, they either need to remove the vortex or reduce the accuracy significantly or its just going to be oppresive to play against.
@Malignard From what I heard the Trains you'd connect the guns to are broken. Also I don't think any of these guys have thought to increase chevrons to increase accuracy, does a fuckton for stuff like mortars
Really enjoying the Chorf matches. Overall I'm surprised with the balance changes that, hopefully, have a positive impact on the multiplayer scene. Regarding the speed, could it be that its showing the speed as if it was linked with that other chaos...ehm, thingy? I swear I've seen it move fast in combination.
Need at least 2 actual chaos dwarf units in your starting army to help give all your hobgoblins bonus leadership to fight on the point, one for the home objective and one for the middle objective
I think if you're going to take a Dreadquake you have to go all in on it and give it max rank too. All the mortar style units get immense benefits from chevrons in accuracy and reload speed.
I think the dread quake needs more chevrons. the accuracy is just too bad to for its damage output. if anything it needs to be maxed out. as that 27 accuracy would turn a weapon who has what. 50...40.. 30? chance to hit into one that will hit most of the time. as 1 good shot into the core of a unit. will reduce it by half or more. Granted you really don't need to hit directly. You just need to be close enough.
I'm a little bit confused. In a video from indypride the dreadquake mortar shots leave behind an damage AOE for a short time, which does good damage and negates the "not-on-point"-accuracy. Why doesn't it here? ruclips.net/video/lEljUcH9eVY/видео.html
Someone answered it above,that is only on the RoR demons tongue,but that has a bugged front that wont shoot, so you pay a crazy amount for that mortar effect and get half the unit working ;p.
Tow the Dreadquake with the Skullcracker if you want to bring it I'm thinking. Way better as speed and can bulldoze through melee as it shoots. Definitely a pricey centre piece though and think it's only really for less sweaty matches or for catching opponents by surprise occasionally, not gonna make it to the competitive meta I don't think, but the pricey cool things never do really.
Maybe units of Fireglaives instead of Dreadquake. They'd make great backline protectors letting you use the cheaper, swarmier parts of the roster to clog up enemy gunlines/backlines/frontlines. You know, all the parts where it involves them dying for the greater cause. Ash Storm could be good too, absolute synergy for setting up a killing field for your artillery/guns. If you have a unit applying flammable on top of it, the damage amplification ramps up hard.
You could make the argument that outside of Magma Cannons none of the other Chorf warmachines can justify their cost. Which would be pretty disappointing.
I think the Dreadquake mortar should be treated more like a 100 range skirmish unit with its 60 speed and 360 firing. It'll be a lot more accurate and harder to dodge at shorter range.
Literally the beginning of the video he says it has 20 speed and its bugged. The train version is one you're talking about and is the most expensive non lord unit in the game
By the way for any who don't know. The earthquake effect made by the dreadquake also deals damage over time. So even grazing shots can hurt. Milkandcookiestw made a battle video that shows this effect well. Though it doesn't seem to be working in this video which is odd.
Still think the Dawi-Zharr units need to be worth at least 2+ of equivalent units to fulfil their outnumbered fantasy. Ironsworn should be seriously, ridiculously strong
I feel Ash Storm is an under used spell, especially with units that have a flame attack. Though it'll be interesting to see the builds that players come up with for competitive play, cause the chorfs seem too hit or miss (😂) with how powerful they are. They also need some cost reductions and adjustments for chorf units, their stuff is just too expensive compared to other races.
it seems strong but for 11 winds I’m still skeptical it will be used often in multiplayer.. which is such a shame! honestly expect most CD players will spam burning head in this MU
LOL "spam clicking out of desperation." I was doing that with Dwarfs so hard the other day and literally won with even noticing the score. I had to ask my opponent who won. LOL
i wonder if they will add Hobgobla-Khan, also known as the Great Khan, is the title of the reigning khan of the Hobgoblin Empire of the Eastern Steppes.
Chorfs definitely don't seem OP as people were worried about, at least not in MP. So much of their artillery and machines being janky is super disappointing and the Lore of Hashut is a pretty significant let down as well. I don't see why I'd bring Hashut over Fire for any generic lord or caster. At least their infantry, cavalry, and monsters look great.
The problem I see with the Dreadquake Mortar is that it's redundant in an army roster that has many tools for wasting infantry. All of their artillery is good vs infantry, and the mortars are more expensive, and less accurate, it just makes them very niche. That's just not a good combo in Warhammer multiplayer, if you're going to be niche you gotta be cheap or you won't see a lot of play.
doesn't seem fair to judge it for this battle give how buggy it currently is (long as that remains it will still be less effective so don't take it obviously) and how the VC army was basically built around countering it.
Honestly I wish the magma cannons were more similar to the dreadqaukes in terms of accuracy. Probably want them a bit more accurate but currently they seem to have near pinpoint accuracy with a dangerous AOE.
You In Your Mind: "YEEAAAH Baby! it's Dreadquake Mortar Time *Yeip! Yeip! Lets Go Baby, GET SOME!!!".. The Other Guy: "oh no, the Chaos Dwarfs.. he'll get me with Magma Canons... wait.. *oh whew, thank god he brought the Dreadquake Mortar. *nah don't worry 'bout it guys, we're good"... You In Your Mind: 😞 stupid Dreadquake Mortar... *sniff
it sucks that you cant tell the DQM when to fire and when to hold shots because it already has a rather limited ammo pool. In term of accuracy, wouldnt it be possible to position the DQM closer to the frontlines? With 5000 HP and 70 Armor it can def. tank a few ranged shots and return fire with greater accuracy than at its max range
Maybe the tooltip is bugged because it shows how fast it would be strapped to an Iron Daemon? Speaking of, I think I've seen that configuration be able to fire on the move, so maybe taking it with the locomotive is the way to go?
Air raid sirens need to be sounded when that dreadquake fires. Edit: Also I think the 60 speed is when it's attached to a train. Guess it's a tooltip glitch with a unique mechanic.
love videos like this. so much discourse over how 'overpowered ' they are and the tests shown are a line of chaos dwarfs vs 1 single monster this is a real outcome of chaos dwarfs. and as you said they only failed in this scenario because the dreadquake was not providing its value.
I wonder if the ash AOE spell which gives more weakness to fire damage can be a potent tool? That much weakness to fire could shred through the undead I would assume
@@SlimeAnnihilatortbf they are a very unique army that seems a lot more build dependant than other factions, but yeah the evidence says they are some booty
@@AlexLee-je5jg No idea why this doesn't occur to people. If a faction is released balanced it would always lose more often than not until it's figured out a bit.
The dreadquake could maybe hit very slow units consistently. Perhaps you could bring it against nurgle to kill off plaguebearers and chaos warriors / chosen of nurgle?
your opponent designed his army to remove value from dreadquake. once the dreadquake was unsommoned you could have use it to obliterate the chaff summoned
The iron demon version is comically expensive, over 3k making it the most expensive unit in the game iirc. Definitely not worth and will be dogshit out of campaign
Maybe this singles me out instantly as a normal/normal SP player, but I'd honestly really like to see more mechanics like the deathquake mortar shooting of its own free will (if that is actually an intended mechanic). We already have rampage, which isn't nearly as bad as it was in WH2 imo, and previous total war games have had traits like unruly, or may charge without orders, where a unit told to attack will simply charge the first thing it comes into contact with, like the control group attack orders in modern TW games. You could equally have things like enforced skirmish mode for cowardly units, or being stubborn to move from a braced position. The idea is to make leading almost as much a part as tactics. Your Orc Boar Boys might tear off and side charge a spearman while trying to slip through a gap in the lines, where a trained Reiksguard wouldn't. Gnoblars aren't going to get near say, large entities unless given a specific attack order. Perhaps Slaanesh units don't always obey guard mode, and like to chase off routing units even when not ordered. Now I realise this would require an engine, or at least AI redesign, complete rebalancing (dwarfs not charging from their artillery box is not nearly as dangerous as rampage or being in skirmish mode), and would objectively make the game more based on RNG, but I've always liked the idea of total war games being half tactics and half actual leadership. having to deal with your armies flaws and niches in commanding them as well as just simple obtaining preferable engagements. I feel like it would be an idea if CA goes away from the health > model engine we've seen in three kingdoms, warhammer and troy, and back to model counts being a units health and less focus on competitive stat balancing and single entities.
I'm not saying any of this is particularly likely as something CA will lean into, but most of your examples would absolutely not need engine redesigns, I suspect it's more a case of game design, having units sometimes tell the player "f u I'ma do wot I want" just might be a tough sell to CA designers worried about taking away player agency. I think it would be really cool though personally
I get what you're going for, but for me in campaign, Rampage is already a dealbreaker trait on units that typically means I won't recruit them, and obviously skirmish mode is just terrible on everything but archer cav. Changes like the ones you describe would be incredibly frustrating I think, especially when trying to pull off big cheesey underdog heroic victories.
@@logan3770 definitely, and it would probably reduce the micro skill ceiling for the game, although you could say it would increase the ceiling for game knowledge. For me personally, I would offer it as a togglable option at campaign start. Even though i've played TW since Rome, I've never liked their method of difficulty scaling. I like to know my opponent has the same tools as me, and having just higher stats arbitrarily, or dodging artillery with precognitive abilities isn't a challenge to overcome, it just limits what playstyles are viable. I want a total war experience where a challenging campaign isn't overcome by cheesing or recruiting the most cost efficient unit at the time, but by realising your factions strengths and weaknesses in leading them as well as fielding them. Definitely not something for W:TW, but I'd love to see it in something like a pike-and-shot era TW, or even another fantasy title.
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Quick comparison here: Karl on mighty deathclaw (supposedly a duelist character): 100 armor 5836 hp 56 attack 38 defence 490 ws 90 charge Drazhoath on a flying bull ffs: 80 armor (20 less) 8664 hp (2828 more!) 64 attack (8 more) 46 defence (8 more) 565 ws (75 more!) 80 charge (10 less) + he's a caster Get lost CA.. even if we assume he's priced accordingly that is still some premium bs balancing here that's just 1 example out of many
Makes me kinda sad that the thing Chorfs are known for, is not very viable lmao. I don't know anything about Chorfs, except their blunderbusses and Dreadquakes.
After 8 months of radio silence and seeing bugs with the dreadquakes unit card and having it shoot randomly REALLY hurts. Hopefully it's patched by release but knowing CA, probably not.
See, the problem was you only brought one dreadquake mortar. Common mistake.
I laughed pretty hard reading this.
Mazdamundi shifted the tectonic plates with magic. The Dawi Zharr shifted the tectonic plates with drumfire
Turin talking about Dreadquake Mortar is definition of "I'm not angry, just disappointed".
Here’s hoping CA breathes new life into it like the new Luminark (that did take a while though)
Ironically the only on-target shot from that Dreadquake Mortar was the friendly fire at the beginning of the match. Absolutely despicable damage.
Does the train version of the dreadquake have 60 speed? The tooltip could be a bug related to that.
yes
Dreadquake Mortar should swap its damage output with Magma Cannon for their cost lol
To be fair, Enticity brought an army that was playing against the strenghts of the mortar. No big gun lines or big infantry blobs that would get rekt by the mortar at the start of the game.
Drazoath: "Ok, i know they're just goblins but we need as many bodies as we can get on the field so DON'T shoot them just because you're feeling particularly dickish today"
The mortar crew: "Sure thing boss"
*3 minutes later*
Drazoath: "Hashut damm you all...."
The mortar crew: "In our defense, we were aiming at the Haunters"
The demon in the engine: *"I wasn't =)"*
I feel like you have to fully commit to the deadquake and bring it on a train and tokyodrift its the same problem with the queen its soo easy to doge
@Malignard magma cannons are good. Keep those as they are. But yes dreadquakes and the other chaos dawi Cannon leaves alot to be desired
@@thememe986 you think the magma cannons should be left as they are? They two shot elite infantry and I've seen them do 1/2-2/3 hp damage to heavy cav in a single shot. Plus they never miss a shot. They're completely busted as they are, they either need to remove the vortex or reduce the accuracy significantly or its just going to be oppresive to play against.
@Malignard From what I heard the Trains you'd connect the guns to are broken. Also I don't think any of these guys have thought to increase chevrons to increase accuracy, does a fuckton for stuff like mortars
Really enjoying the Chorf matches. Overall I'm surprised with the balance changes that, hopefully, have a positive impact on the multiplayer scene.
Regarding the speed, could it be that its showing the speed as if it was linked with that other chaos...ehm, thingy? I swear I've seen it move fast in combination.
Need at least 2 actual chaos dwarf units in your starting army to help give all your hobgoblins bonus leadership to fight on the point, one for the home objective and one for the middle objective
Drazhoath is definitely going to be my first campaign lord. A fighty mage on a giant angry bull with an awesome magic lore suits my style.
I think if you're going to take a Dreadquake you have to go all in on it and give it max rank too. All the mortar style units get immense benefits from chevrons in accuracy and reload speed.
I think the dread quake needs more chevrons. the accuracy is just too bad to for its damage output. if anything it needs to be maxed out. as that 27 accuracy would turn a weapon who has what. 50...40.. 30? chance to hit into one that will hit most of the time. as 1 good shot into the core of a unit. will reduce it by half or more. Granted you really don't need to hit directly. You just need to be close enough.
If going dread quake, go all the way xD
Maybe the 60 speed is when it's being towed by a train? Don't those move 60?
Yes!
I feel like the dreadquake mortar may need to be gold chevroned for the bonus to accuracy but that’s so much money.
it will be another useless meme unit noone will ever use and CA will never get around to balance.
Good news we saw the devastating power of the mortar.
Bad news Turin lost more allies than enemies in one hit
Lets be fair, all the shots of the mortar were on MOVING narrow formation depth guard.
Good lord, 2300 for the dreadquake mortar? Aren't Avalanche Mortars like 1500? I know what I'd choose heh
silly iron train thing no no warp stone mortars yes yes
More for less
That seems like the theme with this dlc lol
I'm a little bit confused. In a video from indypride the dreadquake mortar shots leave behind an damage AOE for a short time, which does good damage and negates the "not-on-point"-accuracy. Why doesn't it here?
ruclips.net/video/lEljUcH9eVY/видео.html
Someone answered it above,that is only on the RoR demons tongue,but that has a bugged front that wont shoot, so you pay a crazy amount for that mortar effect and get half the unit working ;p.
"the crabbos are gonna get stabboed" Never change Turin, never change.
I know the Dreadquake Mortar underperformed but damn that first blast that took out half the goblin labor union is quite the impression
yeah but magma cannon can do that too with more range and accuracy as well as cheaper cost
Tow the Dreadquake with the Skullcracker if you want to bring it I'm thinking. Way better as speed and can bulldoze through melee as it shoots. Definitely a pricey centre piece though and think it's only really for less sweaty matches or for catching opponents by surprise occasionally, not gonna make it to the competitive meta I don't think, but the pricey cool things never do really.
Maybe units of Fireglaives instead of Dreadquake. They'd make great backline protectors letting you use the cheaper, swarmier parts of the roster to clog up enemy gunlines/backlines/frontlines. You know, all the parts where it involves them dying for the greater cause. Ash Storm could be good too, absolute synergy for setting up a killing field for your artillery/guns. If you have a unit applying flammable on top of it, the damage amplification ramps up hard.
Drazhoath looks like one of the Chorfs better anti-SEM tools
Anti-SEM? I tried googling, but google only thought I wanted to know about anti-semitism or search engine mechanics.
@@Papadragon18 anti single entity monster
@@Papadragon18 Single-Entity-Model or Monster
You could make the argument that outside of Magma Cannons none of the other Chorf warmachines can justify their cost. Which would be pretty disappointing.
I think the Dreadquake mortar should be treated more like a 100 range skirmish unit with its 60 speed and 360 firing. It'll be a lot more accurate and harder to dodge at shorter range.
Literally the beginning of the video he says it has 20 speed and its bugged. The train version is one you're talking about and is the most expensive non lord unit in the game
By the way for any who don't know. The earthquake effect made by the dreadquake also deals damage over time. So even grazing shots can hurt. Milkandcookiestw made a battle video that shows this effect well.
Though it doesn't seem to be working in this video which is odd.
maybe try giving the dreakquake mortar some chevrons to increase its accuracy
Still think the Dawi-Zharr units need to be worth at least 2+ of equivalent units to fulfil their outnumbered fantasy. Ironsworn should be seriously, ridiculously strong
why is the dreadquake missing the ripple effect on its shots? seems to be bugged cuz it looked nothing like the other battle replays on YT
Thats what i Was wondering too. It only had the impact dmg and slow but not the aoe dot
It's on the RoR demon's tongue version, but this is the base, non-RoR version iirc.
@@Makofueled wtf is this shit??!! want it on all draedquake mortars immediately!
If you attach it to a train it has 60 speed. But secondary attack is bugged.
ALL QUAKE AT THE DREAD MORTAR! Even your own units, gotta keep those laborers in line somehow
I feel Ash Storm is an under used spell, especially with units that have a flame attack. Though it'll be interesting to see the builds that players come up with for competitive play, cause the chorfs seem too hit or miss (😂) with how powerful they are. They also need some cost reductions and adjustments for chorf units, their stuff is just too expensive compared to other races.
it seems strong but for 11 winds I’m still skeptical it will be used often in multiplayer.. which is such a shame! honestly expect most CD players will spam burning head in this MU
LOL "spam clicking out of desperation." I was doing that with Dwarfs so hard the other day and literally won with even noticing the score. I had to ask my opponent who won. LOL
I love you Turin
That's hot
Sweaty competitive match
i wonder if they will add Hobgobla-Khan, also known as the Great Khan, is the title of the reigning khan of the Hobgoblin Empire of the Eastern Steppes.
i reckon in campaign the dreadquake with some chevrons will be lethal
Chorfs definitely don't seem OP as people were worried about, at least not in MP. So much of their artillery and machines being janky is super disappointing and the Lore of Hashut is a pretty significant let down as well. I don't see why I'd bring Hashut over Fire for any generic lord or caster. At least their infantry, cavalry, and monsters look great.
The problem I see with the Dreadquake Mortar is that it's redundant in an army roster that has many tools for wasting infantry. All of their artillery is good vs infantry, and the mortars are more expensive, and less accurate, it just makes them very niche.
That's just not a good combo in Warhammer multiplayer, if you're going to be niche you gotta be cheap or you won't see a lot of play.
The Dreadquake ROR seems to be a lot more accurate, so try to use that OR put some exp into the mortar
There isn't a RoR for the Dreadquake Mortar
There is no Dreadquake RoR
Well, i meant the Deamon's tongue with an attached mortar, sorry, my bad
Think you need to have a lot of slaves to hold the enemy for the mortar
i can already tell that the dreadquake mortar will be another useless meme unit.
Like half the chorf roster at this point
doesn't seem fair to judge it for this battle give how buggy it currently is (long as that remains it will still be less effective so don't take it obviously) and how the VC army was basically built around countering it.
Is there any magic that raises accuracy? The dreadquake could work in 2v2 with lore of the nekarhara or whatever it's called.
Honestly I wish the magma cannons were more similar to the dreadqaukes in terms of accuracy. Probably want them a bit more accurate but currently they seem to have near pinpoint accuracy with a dangerous AOE.
The mortar is so disappointing.........
Hope they'll fix it before release
well it only took them 7 years to fix the luminark so im sure they will fix this unit around 2032
@@kazukihashimoto183 😂😂
Sadly might be true
They absolutely won't
Does anyone know how to use the skull crackers with dreadquake attached in MP?
You In Your Mind: "YEEAAAH Baby! it's Dreadquake Mortar Time *Yeip! Yeip! Lets Go Baby, GET SOME!!!"..
The Other Guy: "oh no, the Chaos Dwarfs.. he'll get me with Magma Canons... wait.. *oh whew, thank god he brought the Dreadquake Mortar. *nah don't worry 'bout it guys, we're good"...
You In Your Mind: 😞 stupid Dreadquake Mortar... *sniff
it sucks that you cant tell the DQM when to fire and when to hold shots because it already has a rather limited ammo pool. In term of accuracy, wouldnt it be possible to position the DQM closer to the frontlines? With 5000 HP and 70 Armor it can def. tank a few ranged shots and return fire with greater accuracy than at its max range
Man I was so hyped up for the dread quake mortar. It looks very disappointing 😢
Yeah, it either needs an accuracy boost, price reduction, or increased projectile speed. Perhaps some combination of the three.
@@thepiousskeleton6046 I liked the fan mod in 2, 7 shots that hit like you just lobbed a bloated corpse at them.
Im pretty sure that mortar hit one good shot and that was mainly on your own units loool
Flame attacks should debuff all healing so even the Vampire's Hunger ability is weaker. Makes the Dawi-Zharr very good against Undead for sure
DREADQUAKE need more accuracy increse the cost if needed
You can do that with veterancy
Would you ever consider adding the mod dwarven Calvary to multiplayer. Specially for domination might make they more viable.
Maybe the tooltip is bugged because it shows how fast it would be strapped to an Iron Daemon? Speaking of, I think I've seen that configuration be able to fire on the move, so maybe taking it with the locomotive is the way to go?
Air raid sirens need to be sounded when that dreadquake fires.
Edit: Also I think the 60 speed is when it's attached to a train. Guess it's a tooltip glitch with a unique mechanic.
love videos like this. so much discourse over how 'overpowered ' they are and the tests shown are a line of chaos dwarfs vs 1 single monster
this is a real outcome of chaos dwarfs. and as you said they only failed in this scenario because the dreadquake was not providing its value.
Wtf have they removed the earthquake from the dreadquake?!
I wonder if the ash AOE spell which gives more weakness to fire damage can be a potent tool? That much weakness to fire could shred through the undead I would assume
Yo Cinderbreath looks sick!
artillery in general feels off in WH3 tbh, just overshooting and undershooting all over the place
I still havent seen a video of chaos dwarves winning.
This. Everyone seems to talk about how great they are but then almost never win
@@SlimeAnnihilatortbf they are a very unique army that seems a lot more build dependant than other factions, but yeah the evidence says they are some booty
coz its a new faction? they have 0 mastery on it!
@@AlexLee-je5jg No idea why this doesn't occur to people. If a faction is released balanced it would always lose more often than not until it's figured out a bit.
I ve seen em wreck Vampires.But people dont know what builds to use yet, we ll have to see.
😂😂 TURIN ITS GREAT TAURUS THEN LAMASSU THEN BALE TAURUS!! 😂😂 THERES NO GREAT BALE TAURUS ONLY GREAT TAURUS AND BALE TAURUS 😂😂
If there isnt, then, by Hashut, breed one! How hard is it to whip a bull into bullying a cow?! Beardlings these days...
Turin was like: maaaaan f this mortar 😑
should have brought Gunnery Wight, stripped down on a crab
The dreadquake could maybe hit very slow units consistently. Perhaps you could bring it against nurgle to kill off plaguebearers and chaos warriors / chosen of nurgle?
Are you going to do a CD campaign?
Seem like only indypride (milkandcookiesTW) likes bringing ash storm. Seems good to me, a slow and 20% weakness to fire.
that mortar needs more ammo i think
your opponent designed his army to remove value from dreadquake. once the dreadquake was unsommoned you could have use it to obliterate the chaff summoned
So, from this replay, I can deduce that if you bring a DQM bring it on an Iron Daemon and commit to it or don't bring it at all.
The iron demon version is comically expensive, over 3k making it the most expensive unit in the game iirc. Definitely not worth and will be dogshit out of campaign
How come some people already have access to the dlc already? Shouldn’t it come out on the 13th?
Early access for some content creators so they can show it off.
Turin will make sure to give his opinion to CA about chorfs in general
Gotta love the Extra Spicy Big Badda Boom
Caught in 4k
Maybe this singles me out instantly as a normal/normal SP player, but I'd honestly really like to see more mechanics like the deathquake mortar shooting of its own free will (if that is actually an intended mechanic). We already have rampage, which isn't nearly as bad as it was in WH2 imo, and previous total war games have had traits like unruly, or may charge without orders, where a unit told to attack will simply charge the first thing it comes into contact with, like the control group attack orders in modern TW games.
You could equally have things like enforced skirmish mode for cowardly units, or being stubborn to move from a braced position. The idea is to make leading almost as much a part as tactics. Your Orc Boar Boys might tear off and side charge a spearman while trying to slip through a gap in the lines, where a trained Reiksguard wouldn't. Gnoblars aren't going to get near say, large entities unless given a specific attack order. Perhaps Slaanesh units don't always obey guard mode, and like to chase off routing units even when not ordered.
Now I realise this would require an engine, or at least AI redesign, complete rebalancing (dwarfs not charging from their artillery box is not nearly as dangerous as rampage or being in skirmish mode), and would objectively make the game more based on RNG, but I've always liked the idea of total war games being half tactics and half actual leadership. having to deal with your armies flaws and niches in commanding them as well as just simple obtaining preferable engagements.
I feel like it would be an idea if CA goes away from the health > model engine we've seen in three kingdoms, warhammer and troy, and back to model counts being a units health and less focus on competitive stat balancing and single entities.
I'm not saying any of this is particularly likely as something CA will lean into, but most of your examples would absolutely not need engine redesigns, I suspect it's more a case of game design, having units sometimes tell the player "f u I'ma do wot I want" just might be a tough sell to CA designers worried about taking away player agency.
I think it would be really cool though personally
I get what you're going for, but for me in campaign, Rampage is already a dealbreaker trait on units that typically means I won't recruit them, and obviously skirmish mode is just terrible on everything but archer cav. Changes like the ones you describe would be incredibly frustrating I think, especially when trying to pull off big cheesey underdog heroic victories.
@@logan3770 definitely, and it would probably reduce the micro skill ceiling for the game, although you could say it would increase the ceiling for game knowledge.
For me personally, I would offer it as a togglable option at campaign start. Even though i've played TW since Rome, I've never liked their method of difficulty scaling. I like to know my opponent has the same tools as me, and having just higher stats arbitrarily, or dodging artillery with precognitive abilities isn't a challenge to overcome, it just limits what playstyles are viable.
I want a total war experience where a challenging campaign isn't overcome by cheesing or recruiting the most cost efficient unit at the time, but by realising your factions strengths and weaknesses in leading them as well as fielding them.
Definitely not something for W:TW, but I'd love to see it in something like a pike-and-shot era TW, or even another fantasy title.
More like the dread-meme mortar. xD
is the Dreadquake speed 60 when attached to one of the train engines?
Yes,but the front of the train with the flame cannons is bugged and doesnt shoot.
Goblins were a sacrifice to hashut fr
Keep this up til the 13th
Hell yea more dwarf lads
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very cool
Shameful display from the dreaded dreadquake. Epic hats all around though.
Quick comparison here:
Karl on mighty deathclaw (supposedly a duelist character):
100 armor
5836 hp
56 attack
38 defence
490 ws
90 charge
Drazhoath on a flying bull ffs:
80 armor (20 less)
8664 hp (2828 more!)
64 attack (8 more)
46 defence (8 more)
565 ws (75 more!)
80 charge (10 less)
+ he's a caster
Get lost CA..
even if we assume he's priced accordingly that is still some premium bs balancing here
that's just 1 example out of many
Chorfs don't win by outplaying you, they wins by outpicking you.
That's not good.
Makes me kinda sad that the thing Chorfs are known for, is not very viable lmao. I don't know anything about Chorfs, except their blunderbusses and Dreadquakes.
cool
After 8 months of radio silence and seeing bugs with the dreadquakes unit card and having it shoot randomly REALLY hurts. Hopefully it's patched by release but knowing CA, probably not.
I'm not going to buy this dlc on release. The game is just too haggard at this point.
@@cheeseofultimatedoom No kidding, gonna wait until they fix it.
chaos dwarves are glass cannon
No?
@@mmorkinism yes
Nope, he just brought their cheapest units cause he invested so much on lord and the mortar.