Just FYI the cable is pulled away from the locker "Fork" with the control lever in the Jeep, then the little springs in the locker disengage the locker, they do not push the cable up the sheath. I went with air on my lockers with electric solenoids to switches and a C02 tank. I have a minimum of two tanks with me always and worse case scenario I can go with the drive away OR plumb it into my on board air used for tires.
No actuator system is fool proof. I have had OX lockers with cables in my jeep for years!!! Never had a cable fail, rust or stretch. I lube well about once a year and no issues ever. This is just a smear in support of air actuation. the problem with air actuation is this: You have to have a functional electrical circuit to run your air compressor, a functional compressor to run your locker. Multiple points of failure!!! I'll stick with my tried and true manual cables and a drive away lock. Oh and as for adjustment IF the actuator was out of adjustment, it takes about 15 min max!, not a big deal
You are correct Gary. No actuator is fool proof. I'm happy for you that you have not had any issues with your cables. Thats great. However, it is not the case for most users. If you are so hardcore that you won't rely on any electronics of any sort then you can still do that with the air shift kit. The kit includes a manual air toggle and you can use any air source. Fill up your tank at home if you would like and have a 1000 shifts with no electrical what so ever. Although, that is far less convenient. Your Jeep is full of electrical/mechanical components that you rely on. Why not have a compressor to air up tires and run a locker?
You can run a paintball bottle, regulator and switch (non electric). OX says up to 1200 switches with a 12oz bottle and I got a 20oz for $28 and filled up at academy for $3.86. Not a bad setup depending on your needs...
@@rubenmoreno2370 ya I have to agree on that I'm calling BD on that one as well. The cable system especially the newest one I have bought this year is the most solid reliable option for lockers period as long as you have VERY carefully installed yours RIGHT you won't have issues that I can see.
I don't understand the issue with cable resistance. You move the cable manually not with little springs in the ox box. I'm going for the cable control.
On the new ox locker the cable only pushes but doesn't pull. The springs inside the carrier do the unlocking. I think he's trying to say that you can get stuck locked..
Useful info. Thanks bro! I'm doing locker research because my wife and I are buying a 2019 Nissan NV3500 High Roof Cargo Van and converting it to 4WD and lifting it 6" to put 35" tires on it. Randy at Advanced 4x4 Vans in Salt Lake City tells me that neither Eaton or ARB make a locker for the rear axle on this truck. Does OX? If not, I'm considering just buying a pair of new Dana 60's and putting the air actuated OX lockers front and rear. Do you have any experience with Nissan NVs?
Does Ox make lockers specific for circa 1990's to 2020 Suzuki Jimnys (Gen 4) though. ARB specifically markets to Jimnys and other non-Jeep vehicles. I personally am more impressed with Ox but seems like a they're only for Jeeps and USA market vehicles.
cable all the way, cable is connected at both ends which is push pull. go air if you already have a compressor and use it to inflate your tyres, or electric if you want it to feel like a G-wagon
What do you mean when you say you have to "constantly maintenance" a cable? I've had the same parking brake cable for 30 years in my old Jeep. No maintenance besides adjusting it every few years, and it gets used a lot. Also, what do you mean that the locker has to work a lot harder to unlock? It just doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying that you have trouble pulling the cable? Are you saying the locker will wear out because it is working so hard to unlock? I'm asking because I may want to put one of these in the front of my Jeep and I'd rather avoid air unless it's necessary.
The cable's do stretch & rust. Its a fact. I have seen it MANY of times. Maintaining your cable will help with this problem. When I mention that the locker is more difficult to unlock with a cable vs air is just that. The cable in the cable housing has resistance. When you go to lock the locker YOU are pushing the cable. When you go to unlock it, the locker and the 4 small springs inside of the locker have to push the cable all the way through that housing (even though you pulled the shifter). The point is, when the air bleeds out through the valve, there is no resistance. The result is a locker that actually UNLOCKS when you need it to. Not the case with a cable. If it is, you are very lucky. Don't take my word for it however. Install the cable and see what happens. When you don't like it, spend some more money and try out the integrated air shifter.
dont think of the cable as a heavy e brake cable that you can play tug of war with, think bicycle shifter cable on a month old bike that already needs adjustment. those mechanical controls look great though
@@Rockridge4WD I think it's time for you to update the video cause with my new cable just purchased with the unit 2019 when YOU pull the cable out to unlock that's just that you pull it back the fork gets pulled back with it with the added assistance of those 4 springs you spoke of as well added assistance. Are you aware of this now or have you seen the new rock solid cable setup?
homeguy4 Yes sir. In many cases, that is usually the only issue. Cheap and easy to fix. However, in the unlikely event that you have a seal housing o-ring decide to leak. You will have to pull everything out to replace the o-rings. I'm not dogging on ARB. I love ARB's and even the YUKON Zip lockers. My point is that you are not having to pull the differential apart to repair anything. Worst case, the cover gets removed.
for the price the ox locker also has a heavy duty cover. arb is rated high but comes with a higher risk of fire with diff fluid entering the compressor. I love arb but I also love my jeep more on the raw side then roasted. with ox running air the risk of diff fluid entering the compressor seems much lower as the seals are not being subject to high rpm. even the cable shifters make crawling over mall curbs a quick silent operation, with no noisey compressors needed
I had nothing but issues with the ARB. I ordered a Dynatrac 60 as a full sized width for my old Ranger, so it was installed new with precision from Dynatrac. That was the last ARB I ever had.
1966cambo Yes, you do pull the cable to disengage. The internal springs still have to disengage the locker once the cable is pulled as it is not mechanically connected inside the cover. With a cable, the resistance is much greater.
+ROCKRIDGE 4WD I do believe that 1966cambo is correct. You just said the cable is not connected to the internal fork. Then when the cable is pulled out of lock there is no more resistance on the springs with the cable system than with the air actuator. The springs only have to move the fork.
Use the cable system. Use the air system. Don't use any system. Doesn't hurt me any. We don't live in North Korea, you are free to take whichever information you choose and do what you want with it.
To elaborate.....Ross "technically" is correct. The springs in the diff are not supposed to move the cable all by itself. But, if the cable doesn't pull the push rod end all the way back (because the cable has stretched or is stuck because it is rusted), the locker springs need to finish the job. If they can't do that (because they are 4 small springs) then the locker will not disengage....at least not when you wish for it to.
good information! Local installers in Sacramento don't want to rout the cable for an OX and push ARB.OX's electric solenoid system mounts at the end of a short cable and then it is easy to rout wires running to a dash mounted switch. No air compressor (or tank) or air lines, What do you think of this system?
Lol sounds like the local installers in Sacramento don't like work and or are not skilled and knowledgeable enough to take on this fairly simple task for any 4x4 shop or differential shop worth a half a 💩 from someone with a cable setup done by themselves in their own driveway first time ever doing gearing myself and a locker I recommend the cable and talking to more shops eager to work. My 2 cents
Hi, I'm looking to install an ox locker in the rear axle of my jeep yj.. the fact is it's a dana 35 using a c-clip system to retain the shafts in the housing. Is it possible to fit the ox locker without using c-clip eliminator kits ? Thank you very much and BTW great review !
valpanna thanks for the message. OX makes a D35 for use with c clips. Send me an email and I'll get you a quote for everything you need. sales@rockridge4wd.com
Good review but my one suggestion and a big pet peeve in watching reviews or listening to people speaking in front of people is when they say UMMM so much it’s like you’re trying to think of what you’re saying is the truth or not and makes it seem like you’re not sure of anything you’re saying so next time you do a review try and not say UMMM so much. In this video you said UMMM more than ten times and I am willing to bet you said it more than thirty times and it was getting on my nerves so bad where I almost didn’t finish the video
Nice video thanks
The springs don't push the cable back. You pull the cable back with the lever.
Just FYI the cable is pulled away from the locker "Fork" with the control lever in the Jeep, then the little springs in the locker disengage the locker, they do not push the cable up the sheath. I went with air on my lockers with electric solenoids to switches and a C02 tank. I have a minimum of two tanks with me always and worse case scenario I can go with the drive away OR plumb it into my on board air used for tires.
No actuator system is fool proof. I have had OX lockers with cables in my jeep for years!!! Never had a cable fail, rust or stretch. I lube well about once a year and no issues ever. This is just a smear in support of air actuation. the problem with air actuation is this: You have to have a functional electrical circuit to run your air compressor, a functional compressor to run your locker. Multiple points of failure!!! I'll stick with my tried and true manual cables and a drive away lock. Oh and as for adjustment IF the actuator was out of adjustment, it takes about 15 min max!, not a big deal
You are correct Gary. No actuator is fool proof. I'm happy for you that you have not had any issues with your cables. Thats great. However, it is not the case for most users. If you are so hardcore that you won't rely on any electronics of any sort then you can still do that with the air shift kit. The kit includes a manual air toggle and you can use any air source. Fill up your tank at home if you would like and have a 1000 shifts with no electrical what so ever. Although, that is far less convenient. Your Jeep is full of electrical/mechanical components that you rely on. Why not have a compressor to air up tires and run a locker?
Not the case for most users I call bs on this one
You can run a paintball bottle, regulator and switch (non electric). OX says up to 1200 switches with a 12oz bottle and I got a 20oz for $28 and filled up at academy for $3.86. Not a bad setup depending on your needs...
@@rubenmoreno2370 ya I have to agree on that I'm calling BD on that one as well. The cable system especially the newest one I have bought this year is the most solid reliable option for lockers period as long as you have VERY carefully installed yours RIGHT you won't have issues that I can see.
@@jgcoupe6808 ohhh paint ball canister is a sweet idea
I don't understand the issue with cable resistance. You move the cable manually not with little springs in the ox box. I'm going for the cable control.
On the new ox locker the cable only pushes but doesn't pull. The springs inside the carrier do the unlocking. I think he's trying to say that you can get stuck locked..
Useful info. Thanks bro! I'm doing locker research because my wife and I are buying a 2019 Nissan NV3500 High Roof Cargo Van and converting it to 4WD and lifting it 6" to put 35" tires on it. Randy at Advanced 4x4 Vans in Salt Lake City tells me that neither Eaton or ARB make a locker for the rear axle on this truck. Does OX? If not, I'm considering just buying a pair of new Dana 60's and putting the air actuated OX lockers front and rear. Do you have any experience with Nissan NVs?
Does Ox make lockers specific for circa 1990's to 2020 Suzuki Jimnys (Gen 4) though. ARB specifically markets to Jimnys and other non-Jeep vehicles. I personally am more impressed with Ox but seems like a they're only for Jeeps and USA market vehicles.
Unfortunately they do not. At one point they were trying to do a Toyota setup but nothing ever came from it.
cable all the way, cable is connected at both ends which is push pull. go air if you already have a compressor and use it to inflate your tyres, or electric if you want it to feel like a G-wagon
"If it sounds like I'm reading from a couple pieces of paper, that's because uh well, I am". Honesty at its finest 😂
What do you mean when you say you have to "constantly maintenance" a cable? I've had the same parking brake cable for 30 years in my old Jeep. No maintenance besides adjusting it every few years, and it gets used a lot. Also, what do you mean that the locker has to work a lot harder to unlock? It just doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying that you have trouble pulling the cable? Are you saying the locker will wear out because it is working so hard to unlock? I'm asking because I may want to put one of these in the front of my Jeep and I'd rather avoid air unless it's necessary.
The cable's do stretch & rust. Its a fact. I have seen it MANY of times. Maintaining your cable will help with this problem. When I mention that the locker is more difficult to unlock with a cable vs air is just that. The cable in the cable housing has resistance. When you go to lock the locker YOU are pushing the cable. When you go to unlock it, the locker and the 4 small springs inside of the locker have to push the cable all the way through that housing (even though you pulled the shifter). The point is, when the air bleeds out through the valve, there is no resistance. The result is a locker that actually UNLOCKS when you need it to. Not the case with a cable. If it is, you are very lucky. Don't take my word for it however. Install the cable and see what happens. When you don't like it, spend some more money and try out the integrated air shifter.
dont think of the cable as a heavy e brake cable that you can play tug of war with, think bicycle shifter cable on a month old bike that already needs adjustment. those mechanical controls look great though
@@Rockridge4WD I think it's time for you to update the video cause with my new cable just purchased with the unit 2019 when YOU pull the cable out to unlock that's just that you pull it back the fork gets pulled back with it with the added assistance of those 4 springs you spoke of as well added assistance. Are you aware of this now or have you seen the new rock solid cable setup?
I've run ARB Air Lockers for years... nothing went wrong except air lines. They are cheap and easy to fix.
homeguy4 Yes sir. In many cases, that is usually the only issue. Cheap and easy to fix. However, in the unlikely event that you have a seal housing o-ring decide to leak. You will have to pull everything out to replace the o-rings. I'm not dogging on ARB. I love ARB's and even the YUKON Zip lockers. My point is that you are not having to pull the differential apart to repair anything. Worst case, the cover gets removed.
for the price the ox locker also has a heavy duty cover. arb is rated high but comes with a higher risk of fire with diff fluid entering the compressor. I love arb but I also love my jeep more on the raw side then roasted. with ox running air the risk of diff fluid entering the compressor seems much lower as the seals are not being subject to high rpm. even the cable shifters make crawling over mall curbs a quick silent operation, with no noisey compressors needed
I had nothing but issues with the ARB. I ordered a Dynatrac 60 as a full sized width for my old Ranger, so it was installed new with precision from Dynatrac. That was the last ARB I ever had.
I thought the cable is a push/pull style? if so, you are wrong in stating the internal springs have to move the cable.
1966cambo Yes, you do pull the cable to disengage. The internal springs still have to disengage the locker once the cable is pulled as it is not mechanically connected inside the cover. With a cable, the resistance is much greater.
+ROCKRIDGE 4WD I do believe that 1966cambo is correct. You just said the cable is not connected to the internal fork. Then when the cable is pulled out of lock there is no more resistance on the springs with the cable system than with the air actuator. The springs only have to move the fork.
+Ross Fudd You are absolutely 100% correct. The guy making this video is a parts salesman. His knowledge is.....................suspect at best.
Use the cable system. Use the air system. Don't use any system. Doesn't hurt me any. We don't live in North Korea, you are free to take whichever information you choose and do what you want with it.
To elaborate.....Ross "technically" is correct. The springs in the diff are not supposed to move the cable all by itself. But, if the cable doesn't pull the push rod end all the way back (because the cable has stretched or is stuck because it is rusted), the locker springs need to finish the job. If they can't do that (because they are 4 small springs) then the locker will not disengage....at least not when you wish for it to.
How come oil doesn't come out where is the actuator ?
antony kolony o-rings :)
thank you, good video, no more issues of air vs elec vs cable. OX air is definitely my choice...
good information! Local installers in Sacramento don't want to rout the cable for an OX and push ARB.OX's electric solenoid system mounts at the end of a short cable and then it is easy to rout wires running to a dash mounted switch. No air compressor (or tank) or air lines, What do you think of this system?
Lol sounds like the local installers in Sacramento don't like work and or are not skilled and knowledgeable enough to take on this fairly simple task for any 4x4 shop or differential shop worth a half a 💩 from someone with a cable setup done by themselves in their own driveway first time ever doing gearing myself and a locker I recommend the cable and talking to more shops eager to work. My 2 cents
The cable system is perfect for an old jeep with the e-brake on the driveshaft.
Hi, I'm looking to install an ox locker in the rear axle of my jeep yj.. the fact is it's a dana 35 using a c-clip system to retain the shafts in the housing. Is it possible to fit the ox locker without using c-clip eliminator kits ? Thank you very much and
BTW great review !
valpanna thanks for the message. OX makes a D35 for use with c clips. Send me an email and I'll get you a quote for everything you need. sales@rockridge4wd.com
ROCKRIDGE 4WD, LLC. I was thinking if this can fit my Chevy Blazer 1993 model
Thanks
To bad there is no OX locker for dana 70 Dana 80 corporate 14 bolt or any 11.5" axles
good review,im geting ox's now
I think this guy must be sale ARB LOL and he hates OX :(
never an answer when we call, always a machine
We are here 9-5 M-F (PACIFIC TIME). If you get voicemail, have you ever left a message? Feel free to email as well. sales@rockridge4wd.com
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Good review but my one suggestion and a big pet peeve in watching reviews or listening to people speaking in front of people is when they say UMMM so much it’s like you’re trying to think of what you’re saying is the truth or not and makes it seem like you’re not sure of anything you’re saying so next time you do a review try and not say UMMM so much. In this video you said UMMM more than ten times and I am willing to bet you said it more than thirty times and it was getting on my nerves so bad where I almost didn’t finish the video
Not a public speaker. Sorry. 7 years old.
For a quote on this setup, please email us at sales@rockridge4wd. com
ROCKRIDGE 4WD do they have ox for suzuki samari
ROCKRIDGE 4WD do u got any ox locker for suzuki samaria
USA CHINA U.S.A. America, those dots mean a lot. google USA CHINA
This unit is 100% manufactured in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
What exactly do the dots Intel? Like he said 100% made in America.
a cable can be tied,,an air cant. less crap hanging under vehicle the better,,detroit.
Irrelevant with push lock fittings and a small coil of line. Takes very little time to repair if needed. You are not going to tie a cable anyways.
Boring boring you should talk a little faster ..........