I don't understand the Hbox hate coming from the commentators. At moments they seem unbiased and then the next thing they say is an extremely opinionated "Hbox has such a lame playstyle." That's not very good commentary honestly. Hopefully they can learn to do better!
Moky was on the opposite side of the stage doing nothing, not even shooting lazers, yet Hbox gets blamed when puff can not approached a run away fox. These commentators are biased to a noticeably degree.
@@AL-lh2ht I remember when Leffen lasercamped the hell out of him, still lost, then immediately started whining about how slow and boring it is to play against Puff
I don't dislike fox or puff , and I'm not an "Hbox fan" but this is the problem with some of the melee community. Moky was being a salty little shit this set and the commentators were so clearly disrespectfully biased. I have seen plenty of foxes play more campy than this, and if moky was able to , he would have camped out hbox til time out for the win. It's just hypocritical bullshit. Play the game and stop complaining. Puff is not as good as fox in the first place. If puff was a better character or easier to play there would be many more top puff players. There are many more top foxes for a reason. Not that it really matters. They are both dope characters in a dope game.
the worst thing is that this level of non-engagement is now normalized and regularly happening at lower levels now... Melee ain't the same game i signed up for years ago.. The commentary bias can be turned down a few pegs though. We get it, hbox ain't the flashiest and I'm all for discouraging non-interaction, but there's no need to be like that either guys... Do better.
Players have become more patient and calculated but most matchups don't allow for the level of non interactivity that puff does. Doesn't feel like an issue to me
Players have become more patient and calculated but most matchups don't allow for the level of non interactivity that puff does. Doesn't feel like an issue to me
@@fauxqmillenium I'm not hating, I'm also not gonna jerk him off for playing like this lmfao. Bros giving hbox props in a set that he lost while playing lame, like what???
Imagine taunting as Fox. I'm not even a Puff fan, but it's matches like these that remind you how ridiculous Fox is-he has options for every situation.
Why the hate against hbox? I played puff and actual I play pichu, dk and doc; and Fox actually have a jab + SmashUp even more killer than the rest puff. Fox have so much options to kill than puff and everyone is mad on hbox? What a sad community
Its because he plays lame. He's literally the reason that there's a rule about how many ledge regrabs you can do. TO's had to make a rule to stop him from being so lame lol.
I don't no why. Almost every haters are just saying that he has camp the entire sets (which is false for this one btw). Most of them aren't capable of arguing on why HE HAS to camp they just stay on "so lame he camps" "hbox has played what a FUN match". A part of this community is so toxic, huge respect for Hungrybox and his work to keep this game alive and fun
@GiovanniGiiioTorralba that's great man! I hear that English is a hard language to learn, so good luck, and I wish you success in learning the language and in your search for good paying work.
The commentators are so biased and disrepespectful holy shit. Let them play their game, I know you have your opinions on players but you are getting paid to do this job, be professional.
nah i disagree. Lame play like this should be discouraged and we need to normalize actually playing the game and making it better to watch. I do agree the bias is strong and I personally wouldn't say those things they did, but their point still stands. Non-interactive melee is whack.
It’s funny, puff can not approach a run away fox. Yet someone Hbox is one camping, not Moky on the opposite side of the stage not even lazering (not even at grab kill percent yet).
if puff planks Fox cannot interact with that without putting himself at risk. You can see hbox planking throughout the set. Fox has 0 tools against puff planking.
Hbox plays so lame there should be a 20 second rule like in combat sports where you have to engage within that point in time otherwise you lose a stock it would unironically make the games a lot better
Fox, that has a gun, choices to not aproach or fire his projectile. Puff can not approach a run away fox. In fact Hbox approached more times then moky this set.
@@eftorqYeah yes I understand I share this feeling too for Moky honestly. This game is so frustating at some points I'm sorry for have been angry so quickly.
. Puff is not actually free on ledge. Moky was on the opposite side of the stage doing nothing, not even shooting lazers, yet Hbox gets blames when puff can not approached a run away fox. the biased is insane with the commentator.s
I swear I watch the player cam more than the gameplay in Hbox Moky sets
this was so funny to watch lol
I don't understand the Hbox hate coming from the commentators. At moments they seem unbiased and then the next thing they say is an extremely opinionated "Hbox has such a lame playstyle." That's not very good commentary honestly. Hopefully they can learn to do better!
Exactly. They were acting like Hbox was the issue, when Moky was not approaching or even lasering. It was a mentally charged set.
hbox psychological warfare is peak
Moky was on the opposite side of the stage doing nothing, not even shooting lazers, yet Hbox gets blamed when puff can not approached a run away fox. These commentators are biased to a noticeably degree.
@@AL-lh2htthat’s how its been as puff vs fox forever now, everyone says that unfortunately
@@AL-lh2ht I remember when Leffen lasercamped the hell out of him, still lost, then immediately started whining about how slow and boring it is to play against Puff
Not peak enough to win :)
@@roachdogg-ex peak nonetheless i laughed pretty hard
Where’s Toph or basically anyone else?
DarkGenex / epengu commentary is a classic bro. Let Toph take a fuggin break.
Probably not making enough money to travel just for commentary it’s a hard process
9:00 read moky’s lips after the up throw up air 💀 I felt how mad he was LMAO
I don't dislike fox or puff , and I'm not an "Hbox fan" but this is the problem with some of the melee community. Moky was being a salty little shit this set and the commentators were so clearly disrespectfully biased. I have seen plenty of foxes play more campy than this, and if moky was able to , he would have camped out hbox til time out for the win. It's just hypocritical bullshit. Play the game and stop complaining. Puff is not as good as fox in the first place. If puff was a better character or easier to play there would be many more top puff players. There are many more top foxes for a reason. Not that it really matters. They are both dope characters in a dope game.
I agree with basically all of this
Does anyone know what Moky say at 11:19?
“it’s fucking bullshit” or something like that?
@@samzotos yeah, probably
I thought it was "fucking pussy"
Looks like "f-cking p-ssy"
Looks like "f**king pu$$y"
I feel bad for all the Fox mains out there. They have so few options to deal with Puff
the worst thing is that this level of non-engagement is now normalized and regularly happening at lower levels now... Melee ain't the same game i signed up for years ago..
The commentary bias can be turned down a few pegs though. We get it, hbox ain't the flashiest and I'm all for discouraging non-interaction, but there's no need to be like that either guys... Do better.
Players have become more patient and calculated but most matchups don't allow for the level of non interactivity that puff does. Doesn't feel like an issue to me
Players have become more patient and calculated but most matchups don't allow for the level of non interactivity that puff does. Doesn't feel like an issue to me
Im engaging
I think hgod should implement taunts in his playstyle, that would mentally destroy moky
He hasnt earned taunting moky yet, perhaps one day, but not today
@@roachdogg-ex He definitely has if the lame dd/grab/laser-foxes always taunt him
What a game by HBox. What a fun watch.
yeah it was so sick to watch hbox camp his ass off and still lose
Game is game. Obv he has to camp a bit. Stop being a hater for no reason
@@fauxqmilleniumhow is it no reason lol shits lame
@@fauxqmillenium I'm not hating, I'm also not gonna jerk him off for playing like this lmfao. Bros giving hbox props in a set that he lost while playing lame, like what???
Yeah thankfully he only camped a bit here
8:30 Hbox is just guaranteed dead here if moky does up throw instead of another downthrow
You sure, even with down SDI? I don't know myself but it definitely doesn't seem like enough
@@evanpowers1537 Yup, one pummel into up throw up air and puff is guaranteed dead
I hate these commentators
Well I love em!
Yea they are biased. Like they have a personal beef with Hbox. Especially waltz. Like WTF.
Yup
Hbox in those first 2 matches were horrible
Lol moky got hboxed on
Imagine taunting as Fox. I'm not even a Puff fan, but it's matches like these that remind you how ridiculous Fox is-he has options for every situation.
Moky hates Hbox as a person. basically new leffen.
Such bad commentators
Why the hate against hbox? I played puff and actual I play pichu, dk and doc; and Fox actually have a jab + SmashUp even more killer than the rest puff. Fox have so much options to kill than puff and everyone is mad on hbox? What a sad community
I think people are turned off bc he didn’t camp this hard for mango?
Its because he plays lame. He's literally the reason that there's a rule about how many ledge regrabs you can do. TO's had to make a rule to stop him from being so lame lol.
I don't no why. Almost every haters are just saying that he has camp the entire sets (which is false for this one btw). Most of them aren't capable of arguing on why HE HAS to camp they just stay on "so lame he camps" "hbox has played what a FUN match". A part of this community is so toxic, huge respect for Hungrybox and his work to keep this game alive and fun
@@narddog2151 I still learning English for more labor opportunities buddy
@GiovanniGiiioTorralba that's great man! I hear that English is a hard language to learn, so good luck, and I wish you success in learning the language and in your search for good paying work.
Moky cringe
idk it's pretty funny how him taunting seemingly makes hbox fans more upset than it ever makes hbox.
The commentators are so biased and disrepespectful holy shit. Let them play their game, I know you have your opinions on players but you are getting paid to do this job, be professional.
Walt has said he has personal beef with Hbox
nah i disagree. Lame play like this should be discouraged and we need to normalize actually playing the game and making it better to watch.
I do agree the bias is strong and I personally wouldn't say those things they did, but their point still stands. Non-interactive melee is whack.
Moky you play Fox, the SSS-tier of the game and you're down one stock. You're supposed to be the one approaching. Stop being a child lmao.
It’s funny, puff can not approach a run away fox. Yet someone Hbox is one camping, not Moky on the opposite side of the stage not even lazering (not even at grab kill percent yet).
if puff planks Fox cannot interact with that without putting himself at risk. You can see hbox planking throughout the set. Fox has 0 tools against puff planking.
I genuinely wonder who is cheering and applauding after the first game. Some of the most boring melee I've ever seen in my life.
bruh. Pity on you. Game is game
dude just hatees melee.
Taunting Hbox? Dude he's playing Jigglypuff. How fucking pathetic for a fox main.
well cleary the puff is suppose to approach the run away fox while up in stocks. duh.
@@AL-lh2ht tru dat
Hbox is so heavily disliked that the only people that actaully care about him are the ultimate players lmao...
No hbox for life
If you don’t respect hbox you don’t respect smash
@@hecticmojo4532 true
it was real in your head. L.
imagine in 2024 still hating on Hbox. oh but clearly anyone who does not hate him does not love melee.
Cope harder
Hbox plays so lame there should be a 20 second rule like in combat sports where you have to engage within that point in time otherwise you lose a stock it would unironically make the games a lot better
Fox wins the matchup, can approach at any time.
Fox, that has a gun, choices to not aproach or fire his projectile. Puff can not approach a run away fox. In fact Hbox approached more times then moky this set.
Hbox really found a new low on this one. Stalling in a 23 year old game
lol so toxic for no reason. I pity on you. He has played the game that's it
@@fauxqmilleniumyou’re on dick defending hbox under every comment lol
@@fauxqmillenium I just got sad after seeing Moky like this. Expecially after the Jmook set with the broken controller
@@eftorqYeah yes I understand I share this feeling too for Moky honestly. This game is so frustating at some points
I'm sorry for have been angry so quickly.
. Puff is not actually free on ledge.
Moky was on the opposite side of the stage doing nothing, not even shooting lazers, yet Hbox gets blames when puff can not approached a run away fox. the biased is insane with the commentator.s
Hbox fans malding to the nth degree LOL
yet its only people maldig that puff does not approach a run away fox?