Hey guys, hope you enjoy this one! We're coming into an intense week here - 5 launches in one week plus this one today! Anyone want to place bets on livery reveals vs new details?
Sounds like Ferrari has shrunk down their engine, maybe to save weight? Or maybe improved thermal tolerences allowing for less cooling and drag. Its so clear finally that this is HAAS design and not a White Ferrari, maybe they will finally get recognition for their work. Great analysis, don't know what I would do without these videos.
I think it will be cool if you do a series on the difference of the car for each team, compare their car at testing/first race to the last race, so we know why they made those design decisions.
@devandrasimanjuntak1646 ahh but is he an ex aerodynamic guy who worked for a championship winning team 🤔 I mean I'm not shittin on the guy because I've not looked at his videos I would like to see Kyle do it because he has been so close and actually had a hand in building parts
Not sure what to look for, but as I understand it the middle attatchment? one attatches on the lower part of the wing the other folds above and over more like the Red Bull? Or are you referring to the outer shape like brackets [ ======= ] vs \ ======= / ?
Always a good day when this channel has new content, love these breakdowns, they have me doing research on my own to learn more about the world of aerodynamics, it’s incredible the effort that goes into these cars
LOVE YOUR VIDS so much experience and knowledge. im always surprised at how aero has changed, 20 years ago a vortex was no-no. now, its about making and using smaller vortices . I have a challenge for you. would it be possible for you to make a " Kyle.E F1 car" out of all the best bits of the seasons cars. (last year is fine) giving reasons why you want that part on your car, if you'd have to change much on it to get it to work with another part off another car. obviously you wont go into too greater detail. but a nice general or basic overview. Kinda like a collection of great ideas. Keep up the great work!!
He could but amount of cfd to make a entire car actually work is so complex and time consuming. He'd just be doing it opinion based cause no way he has time or computing power to actually flush out an entire car of what works what doesnt. Good concepts may work on 1 car but not combined with other car designs
I'd like to see Kyle discuss some theoretical ideas that are no currently done, in particular I am interested in some way to address problems with water ejection off the tires in the rain. It may be best as it is, but I wonder about some kind of panels or diverters or "fenders" that cut down the spray & would be optionally run, or mandated, in certain wet conditions. On the one hand I sense that it's a good thing that the tires throw the water off the track, on the other hand I wonder if controlling it would aid racing.
Kyle, you're awesome, thank you so much for putting out these videos. It's so nice to have a legit engineer teaching us how this stuff works. It's truly a great way to learn more about a sport we all love. Hope to see what you have to say about the new Mercedes changes. Think they'll turn it around this year?
Thank you for the analysis. As an engineer who is really addicted to F1 this is very interesting, instructing and entertaining, so, once again, thank you! I honestly agree with your analysis, but I've one doubt: have you got any idea of what is the interaction of the upwash flow you have from the sidepod (and all the engine cover) with the vortexes born from the shark-fin. I think this is one of the areas that will be important for the development of the cars during this season and I'm really courious to have a feedback from someone who has worked with that. Obviously, if I've made any mistake, feel free to make me aware of that. Thank you.
Very cool to see this type of content! It is kinda hard to follow he blue pen at the beginning. It doesn’t have a high enough contrast with the images and the white background also makes it hard to see.
I've noticed winglets that I think you didn't talk about at the inner side of the front wing, at the vertical portion in front of the wheels, right at the top of it.
The edge of the front wing where elements meet the end plate looks quite complicated in terms of the element curvature. Looks like detail to add outwash within the regulations? Thoughts?
IMO the big unsung hero of 2022 was Adrian Newey's suspension design. it seemed to give the RB18 exceptional compliance compared to the brutal rigidity of the Mercedes and others. My prediction is that its geometry will be widely copied this year. Can you explain how it worked (particularly in the early street races) and if and teams copy any it front or rear?
Seems ilke the trends so far are lowerinng the CoG and fattening the sidepods to deal with the new floor rules. My hope for Zeropod dominance is dwindling.
For the discussion on shedding vortices from notches of the shark fin can this idea also be used on say the diffuser as some of the air is ingest at the rear of the floor edge by the rear tire? I was designing a diffuser for a car i was gonna build and it makes decent pressure drop and doesn't have to much separation from the angle being too raked , but it makes 2 very large vortex and I was thinking that this might be a way to shrink these or break them up and help with reducing drag created from the vortices acting like parachutes. Just wanted to ask if it was applicable.
Can we please just appreciate Haas for calling their cars by their year rather than starting at 1 the year they begun? Makes it so much easier to track.
You don't mention how the wing interacts with the winglets on the front tires! The new wing starts trailing down in line with the front winglet at the bottom of the inboard side of the front tire.
Looks like teams are really tightening up their engine covers and central cooling this year. Also nice to see Haas experimenting with that unconventional sharkfin design, instead of merely copying from other teams.
Ciao Kyle, excellent video, as always. Watching your videos I can now notice details and I'm starting to understand a bit of aredynamics on my own. I wanted to ask you, is it possible to change the wheelbase of the cars for the pro/am in the word time attack? Because in the regulation that I found it is not mentioned. Thank.
How much does the car change underneath? The engine, suspension, chassis, brakes, gearbox and all the other components we don't get to see. We are always focused on aerodynamics because that's what we can see, but what about all the other stuff? Since you worked with Mercedes, do you have any idea how much of it changes? Does it change more or less than the aero?
@@Barcodez5555 I can see that we can't see what's underneath. If we could, I wouldn't be asking this question. But given that he used to work at the Mercedes F1, he worked together with engineers. He must have seen the cars in earlier stages, he must have seen what's underneath. What's underneath and the size of it, had an impact on his design. I'm not asking for any specifics, just a rough image on what's going on underneath. Maybe he hasn't a clue, or maybe he does. I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
@@wss33 now it sounds like your asking in general what is underneath rather than what's changed since 2022... there is plenty of content to explain what is underneath... but the arrangement of said components is a closely guarded secret and really only those in the team know what has changed...
Have you had any interest in taking job offers from other high end race teams, or do you feel more comfortable as a freelance guy working on whatever you want? I imagine it does allow a lot more imagination if something like a Pike’s Peak or time attack team offered you a job to do whatever you want as far as aero boundaries go.
Hi Kyle, have a couple of questions. Maybe you can answer on the next video? 1) What procedure/weighting does mechanicals have vs aero? Ie, they moved the track rod to lower, is that a aero request or mainly a mechanical request for lower cg /mechanical development etc? Or does it depend on component part? I'm thinking eg merc with their "no pods" ethos, is that pushed by aero or mechanical (or both?) 2) similar question to no1, when raise rear height rule, would aero start from say the rear and work forwards or would they work from front to back and have a good guess that front need 'less aero'. ie Stick something softer and focus on the rear then relook at the front after?
I'm totally an aero noob, but I remember the front spoiler being much closer to the road in years past. Am I just remembering incorrectly? These appear almost comically high to me, really taking away from low and mean attitude of the rest of the car.
That's because they want more air to go under the car now, as that's where the downforce is gained. Before they wanted air to go over the top of the car, so it made sense to have the wing lower to the ground.
Could you maybe do a video explaining some of your terminology/basic f1 aero-concepts? I really like the videos but sometimes get a bit lost when you are explaining everything at speed😅
As you say, this is a discussion of generalities not a precise analysis. The number of times "maybe" is used speaks to this lack of real information. Statements like "a louver allows venting" say absolutely nothing, they are just word filler. So what we really have is a lot of interesting vocabulary being used to make wild conjectures that can be throw out at the end of the vid. This is fine, the bottom line is that these cars, if you do not have the measurements, are mysterious and we can wonder.
My very unprofessional opinion on this cars rear is that is looks like the car turned into a fitness influencer trying to stick its butt out for a picture😂
Hey guys, hope you enjoy this one! We're coming into an intense week here - 5 launches in one week plus this one today! Anyone want to place bets on livery reveals vs new details?
Merc and Ferrari will be just showing their liveries and others will show dummys like Alfa
@@egelecc I have confidence Ferrari will show a slightly less developed version of the real car.
Mercedes will definitely be fake.
I feel like Aston Martin will be the most interesting car.
Sounds like Ferrari has shrunk down their engine, maybe to save weight? Or maybe improved thermal tolerences allowing for less cooling and drag. Its so clear finally that this is HAAS design and not a White Ferrari, maybe they will finally get recognition for their work. Great analysis, don't know what I would do without these videos.
@@KayJblue Yeah, my guess too. Last year, they showed the real car. Coolest car of last year, imo.
I think it will be cool if you do a series on the difference of the car for each team, compare their car at testing/first race to the last race, so we know why they made those design decisions.
you might want to check out B Sport. He does regular updates regarding the cars throughout 2022. I’m sure he’ll do it again this year.
@devandrasimanjuntak1646 ahh but is he an ex aerodynamic guy who worked for a championship winning team 🤔 I mean I'm not shittin on the guy because I've not looked at his videos I would like to see Kyle do it because he has been so close and actually had a hand in building parts
@@anthonygibbo1881 Pretty sure, he like Kyle used to work for Mercedes, so yeah, I'd suggest he's more knowledgeable than you and I* no..
We're really lucky to have you making content for us. You don't see this level of educated content very often on any topic, let alone F1 design.
These videos aid my understanding of the aero features of an F1 car immensely. I appreciate the detail. Thank you.
So you think. They teach some vocabulary, but they don't necessarily teach understanding. You may not know the difference.
@@johnsmith1474 Maybe not to you but they do for me. If you have trouble understanding Kyle’s explanations address it with him.
I hate beating a dead horse... but you videos are in a league of their own in the space of talking head influencers. 👍🏾
Great work as always.
I wish your content was available when I was a kid, your analysis was inspiring me.
As you can spot in 11:11 and 15:12, Haas tested two different rear wing bracket configurations - interesting.
excellent spot
Not sure what to look for, but as I understand it the middle attatchment? one attatches on the lower part of the wing the other folds above and over more like the Red Bull? Or are you referring to the outer shape like brackets [ ======= ] vs \ ======= / ?
Wonder which one they go with? My guess is attachment on top of wing!
@@frednewman2162 my guess is the one that they didn't use on the 2022 car
Always a good day when this channel has new content, love these breakdowns, they have me doing research on my own to learn more about the world of aerodynamics, it’s incredible the effort that goes into these cars
This is the best part of the start of the F1 season!! Thank you for another vid Kylee!!!
I always get excited when I see one of your videos has dropped! Thanks Kyle!
I Absolutely get so excited to see a new post from you - glad you’re back to it for the 23 season - thank you!!!
Always looking forward to these videos. Loving your work
Just fell in love with this channel😍
God so pumped for testing. Thanks Kyle
Thank you for your expert and detailed analysis
LOVE YOUR VIDS
so much experience and knowledge.
im always surprised at how aero has changed, 20 years ago a vortex was no-no.
now, its about making and using smaller vortices .
I have a challenge for you.
would it be possible for you to make a " Kyle.E F1 car" out of all the best bits of the seasons cars. (last year is fine)
giving reasons why you want that part on your car, if you'd have to change much on it to get it to work with another part off another car.
obviously you wont go into too greater detail. but a nice general or basic overview.
Kinda like a collection of great ideas.
Keep up the great work!!
He could but amount of cfd to make a entire car actually work is so complex and time consuming. He'd just be doing it opinion based cause no way he has time or computing power to actually flush out an entire car of what works what doesnt. Good concepts may work on 1 car but not combined with other car designs
I lowered my drag coefficient so I could comment early 😜 Always a joy to watch your videos, Kyle! 🤓
I'd like to see Kyle discuss some theoretical ideas that are no currently done, in particular I am interested in some way to address problems with water ejection off the tires in the rain. It may be best as it is, but I wonder about some kind of panels or diverters or "fenders" that cut down the spray & would be optionally run, or mandated, in certain wet conditions. On the one hand I sense that it's a good thing that the tires throw the water off the track, on the other hand I wonder if controlling it would aid racing.
Kyle, you're awesome, thank you so much for putting out these videos. It's so nice to have a legit engineer teaching us how this stuff works. It's truly a great way to learn more about a sport we all love. Hope to see what you have to say about the new Mercedes changes. Think they'll turn it around this year?
Thank you for the analysis.
As an engineer who is really addicted to F1 this is very interesting, instructing and entertaining, so, once again, thank you!
I honestly agree with your analysis, but I've one doubt: have you got any idea of what is the interaction of the upwash flow you have from the sidepod (and all the engine cover) with the vortexes born from the shark-fin.
I think this is one of the areas that will be important for the development of the cars during this season and I'm really courious to have a feedback from someone who has worked with that.
Obviously, if I've made any mistake, feel free to make me aware of that.
Thank you.
Thanks! This haas been interesting.
can you make a video on the sauber c43 ? also got out on track with different changes to reveal
What a timing! I love your videos!
Would love to see more CFD diagrams
I like the design of the shark fin. To me it looks very efficient.
Kyle: "this is a very educative guess"
Günther: "WTF That's how we work bruda"
good work, really enjoyed it.
Very cool to see this type of content! It is kinda hard to follow he blue pen at the beginning. It doesn’t have a high enough contrast with the images and the white background also makes it hard to see.
I've noticed winglets that I think you didn't talk about at the inner side of the front wing, at the vertical portion in front of the wheels, right at the top of it.
The edge of the front wing where elements meet the end plate looks quite complicated in terms of the element curvature. Looks like detail to add outwash within the regulations? Thoughts?
IMO the big unsung hero of 2022 was Adrian Newey's suspension design. it seemed to give the RB18 exceptional compliance compared to the brutal rigidity of the Mercedes and others. My prediction is that its geometry will be widely copied this year. Can you explain how it worked (particularly in the early street races) and if and teams copy any it front or rear?
Could you perhaps use an imitation of a laser pointer on your slides? It's not very easy to keep track of what you're referring to on the screen.
A favorite time on the formula 1 calendar, thanks to yall 'Tubers
Seems ilke the trends so far are lowerinng the CoG and fattening the sidepods to deal with the new floor rules. My hope for Zeropod dominance is dwindling.
For the discussion on shedding vortices from notches of the shark fin can this idea also be used on say the diffuser as some of the air is ingest at the rear of the floor edge by the rear tire? I was designing a diffuser for a car i was gonna build and it makes decent pressure drop and doesn't have to much separation from the angle being too raked , but it makes 2 very large vortex and I was thinking that this might be a way to shrink these or break them up and help with reducing drag created from the vortices acting like parachutes. Just wanted to ask if it was applicable.
7:05 - 7:40
Take a shot every time he says "scoop"😂
the shark fin is rad - and for some reason I thought we had this last year?
Nice vid
Can we please just appreciate Haas for calling their cars by their year rather than starting at 1 the year they begun? Makes it so much easier to track.
You don't mention how the wing interacts with the winglets on the front tires! The new wing starts trailing down in line with the front winglet at the bottom of the inboard side of the front tire.
Looks like teams are really tightening up their engine covers and central cooling this year. Also nice to see Haas experimenting with that unconventional sharkfin design, instead of merely copying from other teams.
Ciao Kyle, excellent video, as always. Watching your videos I can now notice details and I'm starting to understand a bit of aredynamics on my own.
I wanted to ask you, is it possible to change the wheelbase of the cars for the pro/am in the word time attack? Because in the regulation that I found it is not mentioned. Thank.
What happens when contra rotating vortices meet?
16:42 can you use a different color or a bigger outline ?? it's hard to read white on white :)
That Shark Fin might flex? Good or bad?
How much does the car change underneath? The engine, suspension, chassis, brakes, gearbox and all the other components we don't get to see. We are always focused on aerodynamics because that's what we can see, but what about all the other stuff? Since you worked with Mercedes, do you have any idea how much of it changes? Does it change more or less than the aero?
we can't see what is underneath... we can only speculate from bodywork, also he is aerodynamicist not an engineer
@@Barcodez5555 I can see that we can't see what's underneath. If we could, I wouldn't be asking this question. But given that he used to work at the Mercedes F1, he worked together with engineers. He must have seen the cars in earlier stages, he must have seen what's underneath. What's underneath and the size of it, had an impact on his design.
I'm not asking for any specifics, just a rough image on what's going on underneath.
Maybe he hasn't a clue, or maybe he does. I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
@@wss33 now it sounds like your asking in general what is underneath rather than what's changed since 2022... there is plenty of content to explain what is underneath... but the arrangement of said components is a closely guarded secret and really only those in the team know what has changed...
Have you had any interest in taking job offers from other high end race teams, or do you feel more comfortable as a freelance guy working on whatever you want? I imagine it does allow a lot more imagination if something like a Pike’s Peak or time attack team offered you a job to do whatever you want as far as aero boundaries go.
I enjoy your explanation but please summarize them for us the monke pls lol (ex; fast but hard to control)
Hi Kyle, have a couple of questions. Maybe you can answer on the next video?
1) What procedure/weighting does mechanicals have vs aero? Ie, they moved the track rod to lower, is that a aero request or mainly a mechanical request for lower cg /mechanical development etc? Or does it depend on component part? I'm thinking eg merc with their "no pods" ethos, is that pushed by aero or mechanical (or both?)
2) similar question to no1, when raise rear height rule, would aero start from say the rear and work forwards or would they work from front to back and have a good guess that front need 'less aero'. ie Stick something softer and focus on the rear then relook at the front after?
Easily the best looking Haas since the Ill-fated Rich Energy Haas.
Your intro about working for mercedes in past and working as consultant now is being imitated by B Sport and it was hilarious 😂
yeah but he actually does that too lol
Babe wake up. New Kyle lecture just dropped.
'if you need more information on this, I'll put a link to my PhD and some of my papers in the description.' Nice flex
When an analysis need to reference to a PhD, you know things gonna be serious
I expect Ferrari to have a split sharkfin
Give a f2004 slicks or unrestricted w11 1v1 who’s taking it
I'm totally an aero noob, but I remember the front spoiler being much closer to the road in years past. Am I just remembering incorrectly? These appear almost comically high to me, really taking away from low and mean attitude of the rest of the car.
That's because they want more air to go under the car now, as that's where the downforce is gained. Before they wanted air to go over the top of the car, so it made sense to have the wing lower to the ground.
this years HAAS looks sexy and curvy lol
s there any way to stop generating vortexes?
"the housing rules are pretty loose"
proceeds to show nearly 3 pages of rules...
Hey, I am so much obsessed with aerodynamics engineering, can I know what you studied?
Aerospace engineering
VF-23 in a nutshell: "pretty similar to the Ferrari last year"
Could you maybe do a video explaining some of your terminology/basic f1 aero-concepts? I really like the videos but sometimes get a bit lost when you are explaining everything at speed😅
waiting for Ferrari
It seems to me that they've designed it to be a comfortable ride in the turbulent air present at the back of the grid. Smart.
As you say, this is a discussion of generalities not a precise analysis. The number of times "maybe" is used speaks to this lack of real information. Statements like "a louver allows venting" say absolutely nothing, they are just word filler. So what we really have is a lot of interesting vocabulary being used to make wild conjectures that can be throw out at the end of the vid. This is fine, the bottom line is that these cars, if you do not have the measurements, are mysterious and we can wonder.
Hehehe squirt management
My very unprofessional opinion on this cars rear is that is looks like the car turned into a fitness influencer trying to stick its butt out for a picture😂
Harse.. hehe..
Lol, squirt management….
It's ambitious, but when successful the gains in attachment are significant.
@@Cloxxki especially if you can manage the squirt in a way that combines with with overall load as it’s released from the rear
The McLaren wins most beautiful so far no?
So in simple terms . It’s very complicated and the cars get uglier and uglier year by year .
this guy doesn't know anything about f1 design
Bruh
Mate...
Dude
It’s the real CA’!