My Dad worked there for 35 yrs , in the Foundry Section . When he started there they were building Airplane Engines , for the War , it was called Chevrolet Aviation . When it was switched back to Automobile Engines , they built the 283 , 327 , 348 , 409 and 454 engines . My dad used to buy a new Chevy every few years . I can recall his 53 , 55 , 58 , 61 , 64 (my favorite , it had the 327) 67 caprice , then he bought a new 1971 Cadillac . The workers made a good paycheck back then . lol
i got a 2003 grand am with a 2.2 in it and its been the best engine and car i ever had. bought in 2008 and no problems has this day and over 200,000 miles on it and i drive everywere.
dodgeram1500tn I bought a Chevy 1 ton four wheel drive brand new in 05. Just turned 200,000 miles. 364ci (6.0). Second best GM motor other than the 292ci straight 6. 3rd best is the 3.8ci used in the mid 90s. I had two. Both motors in the 180,000 miles plus.
Those are great engines ! Many don't understand the quality and how durable the components are . I run a 2.2 ecotec with aftermarket rods , pistons that makes 425 hp. On 13 lbs.of boost and is reliable . It runs like a docile stock engine . When you step on the gas it pulls like a V8 .
I have owned, over the past 40+ years a few late 1960's early 1970's Big Block, 396, 402, 427, and 454 full sized Chevrolets that had the Tonawanda#1 Team sticker on the valve cover!
cool, i live in WNY. proud to see GM still building proud engines right on our back yard. some of the best engines in the world, dont care what anyone says. i have a little 2.2 in a 91 cavalier over 200K miles on that little engine and its still runs strong
Impressive amounts of automation! There are more machine repair mechanics and computer nerds working there than assembly line installers. The engine is surprisingly complex compared to 60s and 7ps engines!
Are they stil using loost foam for casting the block? Seems like this Engine doesn´t use direct injection, no turbo, cast crank... low cost version? No Engine in GM had less faults 10year ago, hope it´s the same today.
@@reallyhappenings5597 well, I was expecting to see them installing cam shafts at that point in the assembly when they mentioned timing chains, but those didn't look like camshafts, especially since they were down low in the block and the phasers for VVT were up on the head. I would expect the word kit when talking about engines to be perhaps a gasket kit or something along those lines.
It’s a shame GM refuses to build a 4-cyl on par with Honda’s K24A. My first K24A went 312,000 miles and my second went 272,000 miles and is still running around just fine with it’s new owner.
@@DaveMcLain I've personally seen a lot of these engines shit the bed with a little over a hundred thousand miles on them. Sure, a few have lasted a long time but for the most part, they weren't very good engines
@@neilbrown3359 We work on a lot of engines in our shop and with those about the biggest problem we've seen has been with burnt valves. Overall they've been very good.
@@reallyhappenings5597 On my wife's Honda I've replaced the head gasket, pan gasket and the thermostat several times. It has about 220,000 miles on it and overall it is a good engine. Piston slap when cold is terrible.
I have the inline 6 in my 2003 GMC Envoy and I have always loved it. I am a retired GM employee and you may want to rewind and watch again. Tonawanda Engine is not in Mexico. If you look for it you will see Echo en Mexico clearly on the side of one of the blocks.
I had a 2004 Trailblazer with same engine, good engine but horrible on MPG. we owned it for 14 years and then gave it to a niece (it's still on the road but she is driving it into its grave)
terry cannon BLOCK MADE IN MEXICO ENGINES “MADE” IN TONAWONDA. That’s how you handle UAW. Outsource more every year to Mexico and Robots. You can trim skilled headcount 10% per year and no one even notices because it’s gradual.
My 1968 Camaro 396 engine had a decal on the valve cover that read "Built by the number ONE team, Tonawanda". One thing I noticed on this video at 7.11, the words HECCO IN MEXICO can clearly be seen. I guess the Tonawanda plant is more of an assembly location than an actual manufacturing facility.
the use of social much robotics is amazing, now if these geniuses can figure out how to bring the prices of the cars and trucks back down to an affordable price, I mean why do they cost 4 times as much as they did just 20 to 30 years ago, the prices are just ridiculous
If you were building engines, would you choose the best, most efficient way to produce them, costing you less money? Or would you want a slower less efficient way that would cost you more money?
that's an opinion and its mostly incorrect.i drove that car for 6 years, i paid $1,500 for it and sold it for $400. they are know for head gasket failures, but if are aware of it and fix before any damage is done, it will run for another 130K miles. many of these engines are known to last 300K miles with proper care. they are simple and reliable unlike import engines that are complex and use DOHC and timing belts on interference engines.
"Well, some people think that Unions are too strong, Union leaders should go back where they belong; But I wish that they could see a little more of poverty And they might start to sing a different song." Phil Ochs
my first job was uaw, budd plant philadelphia, amtrak and chicago transit authority rail cars, and we did some EMD chassis' before the diesel electric engine installed. that experience showed me how sick a " union " culture could be. people going out of their way to slow down, hide, and "look busy" transit america" bought us, and ended that quick. just closed the plant entirely. i had never seen such lazy bums at work, and have never seen that anywhere else. and i was in two other unions, cwa, 15years and teamsters for a month
@@pootthatbak2578 The auto industry is making more money than ever before while outsource jobs that pay starvation wages. Poverty is oppression. Yes, workers should work at their own pace. There is enough wealth so there is no need to over work an employee. A high standard of living for working people should include an easy workday. Its beneficial to all when a labor situation is fair. Read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair.
Poot Thatbak my first job was non union and had all of those aspects, I would play the “look busy” game almost every day on the line, also people would try to slow us down, your gonna see that anywhere, union or not. I’d love to be in the UAW I’d have a lot of pride if I was! My family worked at GM Janesville for three generations before me.
WHOA! "Just the right amout of air mixes with just the right amount of FUEL"??? (5:34) I'm only 100% certain the air mixes with "gasoline" and that makes "fuel", not the air mixes with fuel. Even the factory has no clue how an internal combustion engine works for real.
Mike Jenkins that’s what u think. You try doing the same thing over and over. And they’re not overpaid. And he’s sting to protect his back. Shut tf up. These jobs are fast paced and stressful as hell. Bosses are a trip too.
Mars 1 are you fucking serious? What kind of pussy are you? “whaaa I had to stand all day”. “I’m going join the UAW and pay some pencil neck thief to make my decisions for me because I’m a pussy a too stupid to do it myself.” My god! Y’all are the absolute weakest and dumbest people our country produces. Always acting like you’re soooo fucking mistreated and that you have it sooooo fucking bad. So bad in fact that you’ll hold the entire industry hostage and cost thousands of working Americans their livelihood just because your fucking insurance premium rose. The UAW members from the ‘30s and ‘40s would be ashamed.
@@MrSunrise- seriously shtf if it passes by and your procedure doesn't get done, you have to stay focused and work quickly or it hairballs the whole operation.
If you own something with that motor ,sell it while it's still running ,if its not to late , any motor with counterbalance-rs and all those tiny little timing chains will be very expensive to repair .what idiot thinks of this shit .
Along time ago I had a 1992 cavalier with a 2.2 engine in it and a three speed automatic it ran great head gasket fail at one point. This car was terrible on fuel mileage 28 miles per gallon is the best I ever got out of it. Had the car about a year and a half and got rid of it too many problems last GM I ever bought. Very disappointed GM they used to be on top of the pile at one time now I drive Hondas never looking back
Total wimp engine. Lasts forever though due to its lower RPM range (less wear on internal parts) And I also just have to say that nothing will quite be like the human touch to a lot of those things the machines does. For example checking the crank for binding. A human can feel it on a single turn of the crank that stupid thing spun the shit out of it. Also I didn't see any assembly lube on the bearings of the crank or cam. Although it is acceptable to do shit like this by todays standards (we expect cars to only last 5 to 8 years now for some odd reason) it would have a lot better quality control if done by humans. I mean christ I think some have lost the idea cars were suppose to last a hell of a lot longer considering I have seen engine a lot older still start after sitting forever and a day. Quality and reliability have fell through the cracks on modern cars. If we get 70k out of em most are happy and trade it off to someone right when problems start to occur and then they have the balls to say shit like such and such car is awesome and has a great engine. How the hell would a person who gets rid of a car every 70k know anything about it? Of course its a good engine and car because you got rid of it before problems started happening. Here's a little secret if you are one of these people then engine builders are laughing at you. Just a little tip also change your oil after buying a new car so you can clear anything out from the machining process. Most people don't know this and it causes extra wear on the engine because it is cycling glittery oil. Last tip would be drain and flush the orange shit GM uses out it will cause premature wear of seals (yes I have seen it happen 3800 series II enough said) Well thats my rant.
emutiny I tend to agree. The minute you flush and put something else in you voided your warranty. But it's not the ethylene glycol that causes the problem it's the additives they add with it. All the coolant says ethylene glycol on it but the additives are very different. With conventional green having the least amount of them. If you have ever taken a look at an old water pump or anything else aluminum on an engine with the orange in it will shock you at how much pitting it has in the aluminum surface from it eating the crap out of it. GM deserves a total bitch slap for it.
They resolved the pitting with DEXCOOL a while ago....as far as computers, they are 100 times more accurate, and they don't screw things up if they didn't get a raise. Cars of today last much much longer than a car from the 70s or 80s...100K and you were done years ago, nowadays 150K is nothing to worry about
Spahi77 I have a newer car ran on computers and I have a 1993 S10. Guess which one don't have any problems at all. I get asked all the time what mileage it has on the truck when they see the odo or I tell them it is 220K they really don't know what to say. I've been accused of tampering with it or that I replaced the engine in it. Nope no special care needed when the engine is 3/4 of a Chevy 350 (the 4.3L V6 if your wondering). Before that I had a 1988 Pontiac sunbird the head gasket did go in it but after replacing it a lapping the head to .0015 (something GM forgot to do) the new owner is still driving it. Sorry but having 220k on an original engine with minor work done and no check engine light on tends to agree in my favor. And this truck has been beat on.
I am not in disagreement with you. The older non-mechanical engines have their charm. As far as manufacturing goes, robots are needed, and do a much better job than people. Yes, certain tasks should be done by people, but humans screw up too much and are not as reliable. I think new cars and trucks are overengineered to the point where they are hard to get your hands on and fix is near impossible without an expensive scanner.
At least the robots aren't half in the bag. They don't teach in school that robots are replacing those useless bastards because the uaw costs the manufacturers more than half of a new car's cost to build and that gets reflected in the sticker price. Every new car that's sold turns into a political campaign contribution, and not ones that benefit anyone unless you like paying more taxes.
Nick Jonze go tell that to the UAW workers at the bowling green plant that built your little C5 Corvette! Go try to do some of these tasks before you get all butthurt because they get paid a fair wage, you’d rather GM execs got millions more than they do so that everyday workers like you and me don’t make as much, sounds reasonable.
Seems to me that an engine water pump with a seal inside the timing cover has been proven to not be a great idea. Talk about a ticking time-bomb! I'd pass. Why publish a vid with such crappy engineering?
Really? You do know that water pumps are not forever, and how they generally fail, no? And you do know the consequences and expense resulting from glycol getting into engine oil? Want to revise your statement? Or, do you work for GM? (Ford has eaten lots of such repairs resulting from such design, BTW.) IOW, bye Felix.
@@jacquesblaque7728 Just change your water pump on schedule, along with everything else. Then you won't have to worry about coolant in the oil or other manifestations of your apparent maintenance mediocrity. This isn't NASA dude!
Jerry , 3/4 trillion ? A little exaggeration wouldn't you say ? That would be 750 billion . It was actually 50 billion and they have already paid it back , so don't get your panties all knotted up , boy .
5:40 Sweat hogs and their fans. That fan in the background is an industrial grade wind machine with a 36" diameter blade and a 1/2 HP motor. When you are a few feet in front of it, the blast is like riding a motorcycle at highway speed. I worked in a UAW shop for 29 years with hundreds of sweat hogs who must have a fan just like that at ALL times, ALL seasons, winter too, and they are not doing physically strenuous work, often they are just seated at a computer screen. When the workstation is near an outside overhead door big enough for a semi to drive thru, they will insist the door be wide open when it's 40 degrees Fahrenheit and raining with a 20 mph north wind and trash & leaves blowing thru the door. If a reasonable person tries to close the door, the sweat hog will scream bloody murder to a zookeeper foreman who will give the sweat hog his way just to appease his perpetual grief. Sensible people who don't want to work near an open door when it's 40F degrees and raining, and only want giant fans during summer heat are considered troublemakers who can't get along. I am not joking or exaggerating.This is the way of the sweat hog.
Oh look.. I get to see how a junk engine is put together by over paid clowns. I guess I’ll have to fix what they screw up for warranty time and a stupid long story to explain why some clown did a poor job assembling it.
Says the guy who buys a Chevrolet, knowing how it's built....then complains about how it was built....... Wow. Go buy a hand built Bugatti then, and complain about how that piece of shit constantly needs attention too and is built by clowns also. 🤔 Or learn the skill and build it yourself 🤷♂️
It's funny how they make it look perfect but There All Drunks an theres been so many workers that have shot them selfs or shot there family's work like that makes People crazy lmao
My Dad worked there for 35 yrs , in the Foundry Section . When he started there they were building Airplane Engines , for the War , it was called Chevrolet Aviation . When it was switched back to Automobile Engines , they built the 283 , 327 , 348 , 409 and 454 engines . My dad used to buy a new Chevy every few years . I can recall his 53 , 55 , 58 , 61 , 64 (my favorite , it had the 327) 67 caprice , then he bought a new 1971 Cadillac . The workers made a good paycheck back then . lol
wow!thank you!! Tell us more! I love engineering that why!
i got a 2003 grand am with a 2.2 in it and its been the best engine and car i ever had. bought in 2008 and no problems has this day and over 200,000 miles on it and i drive everywere.
dodgeram1500tn I bought a Chevy 1 ton four wheel drive brand new in 05. Just turned 200,000 miles. 364ci (6.0). Second best GM motor other than the 292ci straight 6. 3rd best is the 3.8ci used in the mid 90s. I had two. Both motors in the 180,000 miles plus.
Those are great engines ! Many don't understand the quality and how durable the components are . I run a 2.2 ecotec with aftermarket rods , pistons that makes 425 hp. On 13 lbs.of boost and is reliable . It runs like a docile stock engine . When you step on the gas it pulls like a V8 .
Great video, I'm a skilled tradesmen at GM Tonawanda and proud to be part of the Best Engine producer in the world.
I have owned, over the past 40+ years a few late 1960's early 1970's Big Block, 396, 402, 427, and 454 full sized Chevrolets that had the Tonawanda#1 Team sticker on the valve cover!
You may have blessed my fire breathing dragon
Worked next door at forge myself.
cool, i live in WNY. proud to see GM still building proud engines right on our back yard. some of the best engines in the world, dont care what anyone says. i have a little 2.2 in a 91 cavalier over 200K miles on that little engine and its still runs strong
2.2 I deseamble it, and itsa cmplete crap mechanically, vettes, are blewy up apart everytwhere, welll. --good luck
MASTER MECHANIC:
I hope that these jobs are still in existence in the US now in 2018 !!
I wish there was a GM plant in Minnesota. If there is that's awesome. I would watch that all day. its fascinating.
Impressive amounts of automation! There are more machine repair mechanics and computer nerds working there than assembly line installers. The engine is surprisingly complex compared to 60s and 7ps engines!
How do you program the computers that are assembling parts of the engine to work with such precision? Blows my mind!
+Eric Boyles
Servos powered by magic aka atomic energy.
I worked for Excello Corporation in Leicester, England back in the 60s, we built fully automated machinery even then.
Good to see my UAW brothers and sisters keeping America strong.
Will be here working on the Hirata LGE line, excited.
Is this where the 454's were made, I've had 3 trucks with that motor, I sure liked them.
I've had several grain trucks with the 366 and 427 engines that were made there, valve covers usually say Tonawanda on them
the graintruckguy ...366 & 427 truck engines had a different deck height vs the 427car engine
Scary robots have taken so many jobs .
Are they stil using loost foam for casting the block?
Seems like this Engine doesn´t use direct injection, no turbo, cast crank... low cost version?
No Engine in GM had less faults 10year ago, hope it´s the same today.
Cranks are not cast they are forged.
With cast iron block yes loss foam but aluminum is cast and machined. Chips are reprocessed.
Nothing like a 1968 rectangular head Z16 427 Tonawanda !
GOOGLE :
1968 GM3 Z16 427 CHEVELLE
how does this machines get shipped overseas? how do u guys wrap it up?
If I go to my local auto parts store and ask for a "kit", what part(s) exactly am I going to get?
depends what kind of "kit" you ask for. A sex dungeon kit? I suggest you start simple in your automotive journey, i.e. not the engine
@@reallyhappenings5597 well, I was expecting to see them installing cam shafts at that point in the assembly when they mentioned timing chains, but those didn't look like camshafts, especially since they were down low in the block and the phasers for VVT were up on the head. I would expect the word kit when talking about engines to be perhaps a gasket kit or something along those lines.
@@timothybarney7257 Those were the balance shafts and balance shaft/water pump chain.The timing chain went on at 5:38.
such hard workers
What happens to the rejected engines; are they rebuilt? There must be a few!
They get installed in cars and are sold to friends of the Clinton crime family
They go the crime Clinton family and ford motor company
It’s a shame GM refuses to build a 4-cyl on par with Honda’s K24A. My first K24A went 312,000 miles and my second went 272,000 miles and is still running around just fine with it’s new owner.
Really? How do you know that they don't?
nobody does small engines like Honda, nobody
@@DaveMcLain I've personally seen a lot of these engines shit the bed with a little over a hundred thousand miles on them. Sure, a few have lasted a long time but for the most part, they weren't very good engines
@@neilbrown3359 We work on a lot of engines in our shop and with those about the biggest problem we've seen has been with burnt valves. Overall they've been very good.
@@reallyhappenings5597 On my wife's Honda I've replaced the head gasket, pan gasket and the thermostat several times. It has about 220,000 miles on it and overall it is a good engine. Piston slap when cold is terrible.
The robots dress better than the workers 😂
Looks like a very complicated engine for a 4cylinder, assembly process is impressive though
Its a DOHC engine....lot more parts than other 4 cylinder types...but better power
@kramden - Over-engineering to a ridiculous degree. Who needs a formula 1 engine to flow with the traffic ?
@@cybair9341 It's pressure from the government to maintain CAFE standards.
@@deere3321 - That's what the manufacturers are telling to consumers. In reality, it is planned obsolescence.
Cybair it’s what they are telling us? Even though the gov is the one telling them what they need to do? CAFE regulations are why.
I have the inline 6 in my 2003 GMC Envoy and I have always loved it. I am a retired GM employee and you may want to rewind and watch again. Tonawanda Engine is not in Mexico. If you look for it you will see Echo en Mexico clearly on the side of one of the blocks.
The narrator says in the beginning that raw metal enters the plant to make the engines. They do not show the casting or drop forging processes though.
I had a 2004 Trailblazer with same engine, good engine but horrible on MPG. we owned it for 14 years and then gave it to a niece (it's still on the road but she is driving it into its grave)
terry cannon BLOCK MADE IN MEXICO
ENGINES “MADE” IN TONAWONDA.
That’s how you handle UAW. Outsource more every year to Mexico and Robots. You can trim skilled headcount 10% per year and no one even notices because it’s gradual.
@@natehawkins2910
These engine aren't made in Mexico, the engines made in Mexico are for the vehicles built in Mexico
My 1968 Camaro 396 engine had a decal on the valve cover that read "Built by the number ONE team, Tonawanda". One thing I noticed on this video at 7.11, the words HECCO IN MEXICO can clearly be seen. I guess the Tonawanda plant is more of an assembly location than an actual manufacturing facility.
love it!!
“Timing components manually assembled by UAW workers”.
Explains why 99.9% of warranty claims are timing related.
LAW Xe uhhhh, all the problems I’ve seen are connecting rod bearings and oil consumption the timing chain issue was only with early production units.
It pushes the rods into the heads alright
I agree, The script is not very well written and the narration voice does not suit the video. The producer could have done better.
2.2 "little"? In Germany, it´s a monster truck engine. VW built 1.4 liter engines with 160 hp.
Then my 6.6 Duramax is going to give you nightmares little boy....lmao...
Dave H not then it wasn’t!
GM don't put it in any production vehicles, but GM will sell you a crate engine that is 9.3 liters
NOT explosions! Burning! Damper, not dampener. Good presentation and editing.
thank you
explosion = combustion so yea it does operate on explosions
@@ferlan9546
explosion = uncontrolled rapid combustion. Burning = controlled combustion. Diesels run on explosions.
It's dampener.
Gasoline burns very rapidly. If gasoline is an explosive you would see a different hazmat placard on trucks that deliver it.
the use of social much robotics is amazing, now if these geniuses can figure out how to bring the prices of the cars and trucks back down to an affordable price, I mean why do they cost 4 times as much as they did just 20 to 30 years ago, the prices are just ridiculous
You think?
slick willie: Because when the guy putting in those bolts makes $65 an hour you cant afford to make those cars and trucks affordable
They want to make more money, just like you , and would if you were building engines.
slick willie - They want to make more money so they over-engineer their cars with useless technology that gives them an excuse to raise the price.
When it comes from GM these days,watch their eyes,watch their eyes!!!!!!!!!!#
Odd, the video was about elaborate boat anchors, I was expecting a reliable internal combustion engine assembly video.
they slap these engines together so quick and careless it is amazing that they last more than a week.
GM Powertrain
The LK9 version of this engine goes to SAAB. They tear it down and build it right and call it the B207
Look at all the robots taking all the jobs that some good hard working people could do and then they wonder why so many people are unemployed
If you were building engines, would you choose the best, most efficient way to produce them, costing you less money? Or would you want a slower less efficient way that would cost you more money?
Vote for Trump , he'll try to create jobs , not send them to Mexico like the Democrats have done . Clinton started NAFTA .
It was a job stealer .
Is my rod too hard?
Probably just loose.
Didn' t know that engine was not started with gasoline before shipping.
They are randomly tested with natural gas Fred, then torn down for Q.A. Inspection.
that's an opinion and its mostly incorrect.i drove that car for 6 years, i paid $1,500 for it and sold it for $400. they are know for head gasket failures, but if are aware of it and fix before any damage is done, it will run for another 130K miles. many of these engines are known to last 300K miles with proper care. they are simple and reliable unlike import engines that are complex and use DOHC and timing belts on interference engines.
Read this in Zoidberg speak from futurama:
"Robuts, robuts, everywhere robuts!!!!"
+ robots?
"Well, some people think that Unions are too strong,
Union leaders should go back where they belong;
But I wish that they could see a little more of poverty
And they might start to sing a different song." Phil Ochs
my first job was uaw, budd plant philadelphia, amtrak and chicago transit authority rail cars, and we did some EMD chassis' before the diesel electric engine installed. that experience showed me how sick a " union " culture could be. people going out of their way to slow down, hide, and "look busy" transit america" bought us, and ended that quick. just closed the plant entirely. i had never seen such lazy bums at work, and have never seen that anywhere else. and i was in two other unions, cwa, 15years and teamsters for a month
@@pootthatbak2578 The auto industry is making more money than ever before while outsource jobs that pay starvation wages. Poverty is oppression. Yes, workers should work at their own pace. There is enough wealth so there is no need to over work an employee. A high standard of living for working people should include an easy workday. Its beneficial to all when a labor situation is fair. Read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair.
Poot Thatbak my first job was non union and had all of those aspects, I would play the “look busy” game almost every day on the line, also people would try to slow us down, your gonna see that anywhere, union or not. I’d love to be in the UAW I’d have a lot of pride if I was! My family worked at GM Janesville for three generations before me.
Boat anchors
WHOA! "Just the right amout of air mixes with just the right amount of FUEL"??? (5:34) I'm only 100% certain the air mixes with "gasoline" and that makes "fuel", not the air mixes with fuel. Even the factory has no clue how an internal combustion engine works for real.
Seriously sitting down on the job overpaid and underworked I don't know how good they got it
Mike Jenkins that’s what u think. You try doing the same thing over and over. And they’re not overpaid. And he’s sting to protect his back. Shut tf up. These jobs are fast paced and stressful as hell. Bosses are a trip too.
Yes look at those union workers hard at work, lmao!
If G.M. threw them an ice cream party but don’t provide sprinkles they’d strike.
You apparently have never worked on a production line.
Law. I would like to see you stand there all day and do 500 engines all day every day you and your big mouth would be crying by the end of the week.
Mars 1 are you fucking serious? What kind of pussy are you? “whaaa I had to stand all day”. “I’m going join the UAW and pay some pencil neck thief to make my decisions for me because I’m a pussy a too stupid to do it myself.” My god! Y’all are the absolute weakest and dumbest people our country produces. Always acting like you’re soooo fucking mistreated and that you have it sooooo fucking bad. So bad in fact that you’ll hold the entire industry hostage and cost thousands of working Americans their livelihood just because your fucking insurance premium rose. The UAW members from the ‘30s and ‘40s would be ashamed.
@@MrSunrise- seriously shtf if it passes by and your procedure doesn't get done, you have to stay focused and work quickly or it hairballs the whole operation.
8L 850HP
That's my engine.
Then it went to SAAB and got built right
If you own something with that motor ,sell it while it's still running ,if its not to late , any motor with counterbalance-rs and all those tiny little timing chains will be very expensive to repair .what idiot thinks of this shit .
The UAW has killed GM and if they have a chance they will make sure its dead if the goverment wont help there are too many problems here to talk about
Along time ago I had a 1992 cavalier with a 2.2 engine in it and a three speed automatic it ran great head gasket fail at one point. This car was terrible on fuel mileage 28 miles per gallon is the best I ever got out of it. Had the car about a year and a half and got rid of it too many problems last GM I ever bought. Very disappointed GM they used to be on top of the pile at one time now I drive Hondas never looking back
i had 87 cav 40 mpg on trips i have had couple of cavs never had any problems with them.
Your engine is a ohv engine, the 2.2 that you see in the video is a dohc engine, totally different engine
Yes, Gm cars in the 90's not good. Gm full size trucks are thier best product.
Total wimp engine. Lasts forever though due to its lower RPM range (less wear on internal parts)
And I also just have to say that nothing will quite be like the human touch to a lot of those things the machines does. For example checking the crank for binding. A human can feel it on a single turn of the crank that stupid thing spun the shit out of it. Also I didn't see any assembly lube on the bearings of the crank or cam. Although it is acceptable to do shit like this by todays standards (we expect cars to only last 5 to 8 years now for some odd reason) it would have a lot better quality control if done by humans.
I mean christ I think some have lost the idea cars were suppose to last a hell of a lot longer considering I have seen engine a lot older still start after sitting forever and a day. Quality and reliability have fell through the cracks on modern cars. If we get 70k out of em most are happy and trade it off to someone right when problems start to occur and then they have the balls to say shit like such and such car is awesome and has a great engine. How the hell would a person who gets rid of a car every 70k know anything about it? Of course its a good engine and car because you got rid of it before problems started happening. Here's a little secret if you are one of these people then engine builders are laughing at you.
Just a little tip also change your oil after buying a new car so you can clear anything out from the machining process. Most people don't know this and it causes extra wear on the engine because it is cycling glittery oil. Last tip would be drain and flush the orange shit GM uses out it will cause premature wear of seals (yes I have seen it happen 3800 series II enough said)
Well thats my rant.
the orange shit is an elaborate scheme to void warranties. ethylene glycol.
emutiny
I tend to agree. The minute you flush and put something else in you voided your warranty.
But it's not the ethylene glycol that causes the problem it's the additives they add with it. All the coolant says ethylene glycol on it but the additives are very different. With conventional green having the least amount of them.
If you have ever taken a look at an old water pump or anything else aluminum on an engine with the orange in it will shock you at how much pitting it has in the aluminum surface from it eating the crap out of it.
GM deserves a total bitch slap for it.
They resolved the pitting with DEXCOOL a while ago....as far as computers, they are 100 times more accurate, and they don't screw things up if they didn't get a raise. Cars of today last much much longer than a car from the 70s or 80s...100K and you were done years ago, nowadays 150K is nothing to worry about
Spahi77
I have a newer car ran on computers and I have a 1993 S10. Guess which one don't have any problems at all. I get asked all the time what mileage it has on the truck when they see the odo or I tell them it is 220K they really don't know what to say. I've been accused of tampering with it or that I replaced the engine in it. Nope no special care needed when the engine is 3/4 of a Chevy 350 (the 4.3L V6 if your wondering). Before that I had a 1988 Pontiac sunbird the head gasket did go in it but after replacing it a lapping the head to .0015 (something GM forgot to do) the new owner is still driving it.
Sorry but having 220k on an original engine with minor work done and no check engine light on tends to agree in my favor. And this truck has been beat on.
I am not in disagreement with you. The older non-mechanical engines have their charm. As far as manufacturing goes, robots are needed, and do a much better job than people. Yes, certain tasks should be done by people, but humans screw up too much and are not as reliable. I think new cars and trucks are overengineered to the point where they are hard to get your hands on and fix is near impossible without an expensive scanner.
Interesting until you got to the “local UAW blah, blah, blah ...” .....
At least the robots aren't half in the bag. They don't teach in school that robots are replacing those useless bastards because the uaw costs the manufacturers more than half of a new car's cost to build and that gets reflected in the sticker price. Every new car that's sold turns into a political campaign contribution, and not ones that benefit anyone unless you like paying more taxes.
Yeah getting paid over 30 an hour to work half as hard as someone at Burger King
@@streetfighterracing1583 sign me up!
@@streetfighterracing1583 things I don't need to see: sausage being made, babies being born, and uaw stiffs working in an engine plant.
Nick Jonze go tell that to the UAW workers at the bowling green plant that built your little C5 Corvette! Go try to do some of these tasks before you get all butthurt because they get paid a fair wage, you’d rather GM execs got millions more than they do so that everyday workers like you and me don’t make as much, sounds reasonable.
so much not social much, this spelling corrector sucks
top in GM isn't saying much....Kilmer says they are junk.
NASCAR used the Chevy 350 motor for decades . 90% of hot rods put chevy V8s under the hood . They are made in Tonawanda .
Yeah. Thier cars suck yes. Full size trucks the best
Seems to me that an engine water pump with a seal inside the timing cover has been proven to not be a great idea. Talk about a ticking time-bomb! I'd pass. Why publish a vid with such crappy engineering?
nothing wrong with such a design
Really? You do know that water pumps are not forever, and how they generally fail, no? And you do know the consequences and expense resulting from glycol getting into engine oil? Want to revise your statement? Or, do you work for GM? (Ford has eaten lots of such repairs resulting from such design, BTW.) IOW, bye Felix.
@@jacquesblaque7728 Just change your water pump on schedule, along with everything else. Then you won't have to worry about coolant in the oil or other manifestations of your apparent maintenance mediocrity. This isn't NASA dude!
i apologize for suggesting you are mediocre, that was a cheap shot on the internet
Why do all the workers at these plants dress like homeless folks?
You want them to dress like a lawyer?
@@neilbrown3359 Um, yea sure snowflake.
Cause its hot as hell sometimes. Been there worked next door at Tonawanda Forge
No use getting your good clothes dirty...
MRGF78 yep no clothing allowance or uniforms. Wear what makes you comfortable.
I don't have any confidence in GM cars.
I agree about Gm cars. Now their full size trucks are and have been impressive.
What happened to all the money Omuslim soaked the American people for saving the auto industry. 3/4 trillion dollars. Or should I say saving the UAW.
Jerry , 3/4 trillion ? A little exaggeration wouldn't you say ? That would be 750 billion . It was actually 50 billion and they have already paid it back , so don't get your panties all knotted up , boy .
Total 😵 junk
Oh yea , you're that guy that's always in my rearview .. I love pony huntin' .
Getting over 30 an hour to work half as hard as someone at Taco Bell no wonder cars are 50,000$ plus
cheap but not cheerfull crap
Electric cars - trucks will eventually Close this plant
cant stand the thought a robot does head gasket/ head install..
5:40 Sweat hogs and their fans. That fan in the background is an industrial grade wind machine with a 36" diameter blade and a 1/2 HP motor. When you are a few feet in front of it, the blast is like riding a motorcycle at highway speed. I worked in a UAW shop for 29 years with hundreds of sweat hogs who must have a fan just like that at ALL times, ALL seasons, winter too, and they are not doing physically strenuous work, often they are just seated at a computer screen. When the workstation is near an outside overhead door big enough for a semi to drive thru, they will insist the door be wide open when it's 40 degrees Fahrenheit and raining with a 20 mph north wind and trash & leaves blowing thru the door. If a reasonable person tries to close the door, the sweat hog will scream bloody murder to a zookeeper foreman who will give the sweat hog his way just to appease his perpetual grief. Sensible people who don't want to work near an open door when it's 40F degrees and raining, and only want giant fans during summer heat are considered troublemakers who can't get along. I am not joking or exaggerating.This is the way of the sweat hog.
Fkn uaw is always causing problems for gm ughh.
Unions ruined American auto making.
Junk !!!
You haven't got one thousandth brain power of the engineers who designed that motor.
Oh look.. I get to see how a junk engine is put together by over paid clowns. I guess I’ll have to fix what they screw up for warranty time and a stupid long story to explain why some clown did a poor job assembling it.
Says the guy who buys a Chevrolet, knowing how it's built....then complains about how it was built....... Wow.
Go buy a hand built Bugatti then, and complain about how that piece of shit constantly needs attention too and is built by clowns also. 🤔
Or learn the skill and build it yourself 🤷♂️
Timmy "shortbus" ? Is that you ? 90% of hot rods have Chevy V8s , and there's a reason for that . Think about it , you'll figure it out .
Paul Lundgren I guess you must work the line! Or you have no idea what a warranty story is.
It's funny how they make it look perfect but There All Drunks an theres been so many workers that have shot them selfs or shot there family's work like that makes People crazy lmao