I actually had the pleasure of having a conversation with shane douglas at wrestlecon this year..........he is one of the most down to earth and genuine people ever!!
Shane definitely comes across as a genuine good man, I've never met him but you can see that he's genuine. I love to hear him talk about the clique and then listen to the clique talk about the same things, I believe him far more than I believe the clique.
I was done w Flair, when he tried clownin Douglas for being a Target manager. A career that pays like 100k a year, is nothing to scoff at, especially for a man, who's working in his 70s bc he cared more about keeping up an image, than being financially responsible. Anyone that looks down on the working class, is a sad, insecure, little person.
Tell it like it is Se Se. Flair is working way way past his prime. He cares more about his image than his family. It is all about the image with flair. He has ruined his legacy
I've always respected Shane for his honesty, straight shooting and calling bullshit . I highly enjoy listening to the Triple Threat Podcast each week, he tells like it is....
I've always had a lot of respect for Shane Douglas. He was a good performer and pretty good on the mic. WWE and WCW wasted his talent. His "Franchise" persona had a lot of potential in WCW although the Revolution stable didn't make much sense, even with the talent within the stable. Being part of the New Blood would make more sense. His run as WCW U.S. Champion could have laid the groundwork for a potential run as WCW World Heavyweight Champion and push him to main event status in WCW. He did manage to win the World Title in ECW and NWA though. His short reign as Intercontinental Champion in the WWE could have been handled a lot better with a better gimmick than "Dean Douglas." Although that particular Title reign counts and is in the history books, it did nothing for his character, considering he lost it immediately. He's a natural heel and definitely someone I'd want on my roster if I ran a wrestling company. He's certainly not one of my favorites but I give the man his dues and have a lot of respect for him.
Would have been entirely fine at the time he is talking about. They had guys like Jimmy Snuka, Hawk, Mr. Hughes, Terry Funk and others working in the main events. They also had people like Pat Tanaka and jim neidhart, Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton make appearances around that same time. Could have meant a much different outcome for ECW if he had come in and they became mainstream.
I have nothing but respect ✊🏼 for both men, Ric Flair is one ☝️ of my favorites and I also have a lot of regard for Shane Douglas great 👍🏼 mic skills and a great talent in the ring in my opinion, extremely underrated.
@@timmutohfan The Franchise Shane Douglas was the best heel of his generation from 93 to 99 in ECW. He created the hardcore style of ECW under guidance from Heyman yet Vince McMahon ripped off The Franchise Shane Douglas blueprint of the hardcore style of ECW to create the attitude Era and the WWE product onward in time. Shane Douglas revolutionized wrestling as the supreme heel and the best promo in wrestling in his ECW run. Check his work in MLW, UWF, XPW, NWA-TNA, WCW late 80s to early 90s and his 2nd run in the late 90 to early 2000s. He was a solid workhorse and was the champion that called out all other champions from the other promotions in ECW which was the concept of his character and gimmick pitched by Heyman as the arrogant, loud mouth jock, musclar watered-down long haired musclar physique, with his head cheerleader and as a heel champion. Triple H ripped off Shane Douglas heel blueprint from ECW but was a cheap, carbon copy, dumbed down version of The Franchise. Even Stone Cold, Joey Styles and Paul Heyman praised his work from his promos that were ahead of his time in 94 to 95 or 96, and his solid work in wcw late 80s to early 90s in his tag team with Ricky Steamboat against the Hollywood Blondes was great.
Yes the Nature Boy is God when it comes to pro wrestling. But that doesn't mean he wasn't a dick behind the scenes. Shane's being genuine. Nothing but love to the Nature Boy and the Franchise
True that. As a kid I loved Hulk Hogan. I thought he was the ultimate good guy. Unfortunately, it turned out that he was a huge politician that screwed over a lot of people.
Douglas vs Flair in WCW was never going to be a draw. Douglas never had real heat outside of ECW, your general fan back then had zero idea of any grudge between the 2, and Douglas, after multiple injuries, was nowhere near what he was a wrestler.
Looking back I like his work in 2000 the most. Torrie Wilson as his manager. So much heel heat going on. Would have been a great time to put the Big Gold Belt on him. He could work a great match with just about anyone in the company at that time.
What’s interesting is that. The Hollywood Blondes faced steamboat and Douglas in tag team matches. But later in single feuds you have Pillman vs. Douglas in ECW and before you had Austin vs. Steamboat in WCW.
I like Shane, but you don't get a main event one-on-one match against Michael Jordan just because you trashed him publicly for 5 years. Ric didn't owe it to Shane to give him that limelight.
Shane keeps it 100, HBK was, is, and always be my all time favorite Pro Wrestler, With Roddy, Macho, The Rock, And Randy ORTON, and Tully Blanchard right behind, Shane is 8n that Top Ten as Well, CM Punk as well, Pillman, Candino, Lugar, Brody, Double A, Kevin Nash, Sean Waltmen
Ric gets credit for being the best on the mic, but his interviews were just like his matches: every one became exactly the same. It was a great bit, but he would just keep doing the same stuff over & over. To me, Shane was insane on the mic. I never thought Shane was tremendous in the ring, but he was the best talker ever for me personally. He just was used wrong everywhere except ECW.
Shane Douglas was probably my favorite. He was untouchable when he was ECW World Heavyweight Champion before getting hurt. I would absolutely destroy people with my created Shane Douglas on Smackdown versus Raw 2007 2010 and 2011. You could wrestle any style with him. And his moveset with f*** you up.
They are the ones asking the questions to Shane Douglas doofus! Read the topic of the interview doofus cause your perception is flawed and remotely condescending. Shane Douglas has a tumultuous and high respect for Ric Flair as he got into wrestling through his work and ethics even though there relationship had soured by Flair sabataging him and screwing him and the many young talent and generation of young talent in the past like Shane Douglas in his budding wrestling days as a young man by Shanes bitterness which was clearly justified from Flair sabataging him and many other young talents yet these times it's Flair as the one who still hates Douglas these days on interviews and podcasts. When Flair almost died, Shane Douglas offered a great recovery even after all there differences and also when Flairs son died, Shane as well gave Flair condolences.
Like Sean Waltman said Ric Flair stole his gimmick from Buddy Rogers and always thought he was too good to fight Shane yeah ok lol at least Shane didn't steal his gimmick he made The Franchise great in ECW
Douglas IMO does come across as a bit, like someone who could easily rub folk up the wrong way but when Ric was shooting on him when he was in the hole and working in Walmart was poor. Lost respect for him watching that shoot. The glee in his voice. I respected Douglas more than Flair then because a job is a job and Douglas, to me, is being a man doing what he has to do to make ends meet and provide for his family.
@@waxoftriple9 What does that have to do w what Flair said, years later, about Douglas? Firstly, he works as a Target manager, making six figures, & secondly, who TF is Flair, to crap all over the working man, when his financial troubles have been well documented?
You're right about that,but he never got used properly.Ric Flair and Sting çould still make the crowd pop in the last days of WCW,but nobody was over and nobody could get over because the damage had already been done.
He's sounds like a genius compared to the fool who thought the finger poke of doom was going to change WCW's fortunes. Nothing would've saved them by then anyway.
Knowing Paul Heyman, there's likely a *0%* chance that he had *any* discussion with anybody at WCW about bringing Flair to ECW. I think he made the whole thing up to feed Shane's ego. Shane wasn't even close to being on Flair's level at any point during the mid-1990s, nor would a Flair/Douglas match have filled up even a third of the Spectrum back in 1994. Shane was talented in the ring and on the mic, but the ECW fame had him thinking that he was a legit main event attraction/draw, on par with Hogan, Flair, Bret, etc. Shane's "feud" with Flair was about using his name for clout.
Loved the Franchise character Troy Martin portrayed in ECW. I think it was one of the top heel characters ever and he was very underrated as a heel, I'm a fan of both Ric Flair and Shane Douglas and wish they would put their issues aside. Shane had valid points about Flair.
Shane gives one of the best interviews he always has unless your a unprofessional hack that does a Shoot interview in a pool! it’s strange WCW had two former world champions in Shane Douglas & Bret Hart and did barley anything with them..... It’s a real shame something so valuable just imploded due to egos and selfishness
Curt Hennig and Larry Zbyszko were not only former AWA Champs they worked alongside one another against four time Champ Nick Bockwinkel who finished his career there as a Face and eventually became WCW Commissioner. Plus both Sherri Martel and Madusa Miceli were AWA Women's Champs who ended up feuding in WCW. So there is that.🤔😊🎤🤼♀️🤼♂️B.W.
People think that everyone that trashes flair is jealous of his legacy. I think there's some truth to those allegations, considering his current situation. Bitter about his 5th divorce and the fact that nobody is reaching out to him. Keep in mind, i loved watching flair wrestle and still go back to watch some of his matches, but when you're a petty old man who wants to be 28 forever then you lose a lot of respect to me. The only person i have hardly heard anyone say a bad word about, especially from those that trash other wrestlers, is undertaker.
@@drvn8 who said it was the #1 rap song of all time? Think Dr Dre or snoop thinks it is the #1 rap song ever. It is normally on list as one of the worst songs ever. From CBS news It's a terrible song. The rhymes are weak and it directly steals from Queen's & David Bowie's hit, "Under Pressure." If Vanilla Ice had acknowledged this at the time and had shown a degree of humility, then it would have been remembered as being a quaint novelty song.
@@rolltide9547 I think it made the most money. Ric Flair ripped off Buddy Rodgers, so I have no problem with Vanilla Ice taking a beat from Van Halen and making it a number one song. I don't care what Snoop and Dr. Dre think.
A bit of mark history: After a Ecw show in flagstaff- Jim Thorpe, me and my buddy hung out after the show waiting for the wrestlers to leave. Shane (champ)came out a door to the lot and behind him was Kevin Sullivan, with woman, we sort of ignored Shane and asked KS for his autograph. Shane stood there for a bit thinking we wanted his- we didn't.
Both of you are pricks. I would have asked Shane Douglas for a autograph in those ECW days with a great conversation. Very underrated. I met him years back. Totally kind, genuine integrity and a knowledgeable about the business.
Shane Douglas was an mid card champ for WWF & WCW. He couldn't get over with both companies. He fitted best in ECW as their world heavyweight champion. Someone like Ric Flair or Hogan could get over in WWF & WCW unlike him. He couldn't do that cause of the fans.
navynugget7. What even makes Shane Douglas think he even deserves to have anything with Ric Flair. Shane is what? Hell hes not even a top star. Who is he.
Shane was just the worst as a villain but man he made it look good. Refreshing he's such a cool down to earth guy. They seem to make some of the best heels :3
As far as a match between Shane Douglas vs Ric Flair in ECW, I'm not sure as to how that would've worked, because sure the ECW crowd was smart and they knew a slew of talent that came from WWF or WCW except for Undertaker, Savio, The Rock, etc, but I just don't know an angle between Douglas vs Flair was gonna draw.
*FUN FACT:* If you listen closely in the background, you can actually hear someone yelling, _"Troy, Get back to work. Those shopping carts are not going to bring themselves back in the store..."_
Shane and Ric didn't get along...Shane was just jealous he couldn't get over alot with the crowd in WCW. Shane was just mid card champ at best. The only place he got over at which is ECW. But other than that, mid card champ at best in WCW or WWE cause thats what they seen him as.Not world heavyweight champion material.
I remember that stuff in wcw they didn’t book it right and Shane ended up a mid carder for most of the time there not that he didn’t get tv time but they didn’t view him as a main event player then he got screwed with the whole Eddie, dean and Benoit defecting to wwe it was a lack luster run in wcw wasn’t his fault
two of them so sound so much similar, this guy has a complete savior complex. He is not what he portrays himself to be. To be honest Ric should act like a legend he acts like a little boy, every rap star uses his gimmick, he doesnt have confidence.
Shane Douglas was a guy that, when he came on TV, you changed the channel. His promos were fine, but his in ring work was impossibly boring. No one cared about Flair vs Douglas. Well, besides the 20 people that knew about their heat. For him to think that feud could make WCW #1 again is hilarious.
You're completely dillusiinal! The Franchise was a legit workhorse in uwf, mlw, nwa\tna, WCW, ECW. The indefinable greatest heel of his generation in 93 to 99 ECW where even Triple H stole and jacked the whole Franchise gimmick calling it the Game in 99 onward but HHH was a dumbed down, cheap carbon copy of Shane Douglas. The Franchise was the mega heel causing riots as the audience attacked him in many spots like the Gary Wolfe halo incident, his entrance to Barely Legal where that heat he generated in the audience and wrestled great matches with Bam Bam Bigelow also Terry Funk and Sabu in the The Night the line was crossed match in 94 which was straight innovative what wwf or WCW was doing before it's time and the year long Taz feud was epic. I agree on Shane vs Flair being too late already to fued as there bests days were gone for both. Also WCW was a sinking ship where even Russo couldn't save it.
Flair passed that torch quite a few times in his career, Steamboat, Sting, Luger etc. Shane Douglass is a mark for himself and thinks he was way better than he actually was.
Shane Douglas revolutionized pro wrestling as the most notorious heel ever in wrestling in ECW from 92 to 99 ever. He created the hard core style of ECW and developed a bingo hall promotion and took it to the national stage with no millionaire money, no corporate sponsors and no corporate backing all by himself. Even Triple Untalented ripped his whole heel persona in wwf in 99. He was a workhorse in MLW, UWF, Nwa/tna, WCW late 80s to early 90s and 2000s. Had legendary matches with Funk, Taz, Bam Bam Bigelow that stands the test of time
@Edgehead10075 If ecw sucked why did Mcmahon rip off the ECW product to create the Attitude Era. If ecw sucked, why did mcmahon fund ecw in a partnership with heyman supplying resources and introducing ecw talent back and forth interpromotionally as Vince stole many concepts ecw became notorious for while wwf was a awful cartoon in its lowest point in the promotion? If ecw sucked, why did wcw poach all ecw talent from all the cruiserweights/luchadors who wrestled in ECW introducing them to the American market before wcw and wwf did? If ecw sucked, you're saying Beniot, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero, Perry saturn, Psychosis, John kronus, Juventud Guerrara, chris jericho, Rey Mysterio, taka michinoko, Dr death Steve willliams, etc all sucked as all of them made there names first in ecw? You have minimal, zero crediblity and repeating "STFU" won't save you. hhh ripped off the Franchise from ecw, a one,prime example wwf/Mcmahon ripped off the ecw product like the Franchise gimmick ripped off for hhh.
@Edgehead10075 The Attitude Era and it's conceptual direction comes from the hardcore style of ecw as a direct rip off with the employed deception from hardcore matches, hardcore titles, tables, ladders, scantily clad women, many creative storylines and creative direction like the ecw wrestlers gimmicks robbed for wwf wrestlers from taz/sandman went to the Stone Cold character, the franchise gimmick to hhh as the game, the mickey whipwreck finisher the whippersnapper stolen by Austin calling it the stone cold stunner in wwf, even the ecw wrestlers migrating to wwf yet with atrocious cartoon gimmicks from flash funk who was 2 cold Scorpio, cactus jack becoming mankind, chainsaw Charlie who was Terry funk, etc. The nwo was a rip off from a storyline employed from a Japanese promotion employing the interpromotional takeover by a new faction to that promotion done before wcw/nwo. NWO was a worked, collective takeover by the outsiders claiming they came from wwf to battle wcw but was just there by that angle. NWO had nothing to do with the Attitude Era only forcing wwf to change there product to compete with nitro/wcw as wwf was a cartoony out of touch product only til Mcmahon ushered "Attitude" into wwf. Ecw had a scathing talented roster as you agree yet you say ecw was a shit product. That doesn't make sense cause ECW was at the peak in the wrestling world while wwf had cartoon, inferior product and wcw still was under heavy politics with the old fart legends holding down all the young talent. Ecw was fresh and groundbreaking for its time.
@Edgehead10075 Hhh stole Shane's speech cadences, physical mannerisms, shoot style promos word for word, musclar watered-down physique, the female valet as shane had Francine first in ecw, hhh had stephanie as a wannabe Francine second in wwf, the original faction as shane had the triple threat, hhh had dx. Hhh was successful for having a million dollar company of wwf pushing him unlike Shane Douglas becoming a legend with no millionaire money, no corporate backing, corporate sponsorships. Shane had a company on its back for nearly a decade while hhh had the perks of sitting back getting handed success by association being in 7 to 8 factions never finding success alone needing to be on the backs of people like shawn michaels, Mcmahon, Ric Flair, Stephanie, chyna and etc
@Edgehead10075 Funny cause Vince russo also said he watched ecw and cocked blindedly all his attitude era work from ecw. Vince russo also claims to making all the success hhh had as the Game all his work discrediting hhh not having any part of that success.
Yes but Flair also pinned the world title on himself 15 or 16 times overstaying his welcome with a deteriorated physique and deteriorated wrestling prowess decades before he should have stepped down as half of his career in his lather years was living off his name and taking bumps to get a check in whichever promotion he weaseled his way in after his deteriorated body and conditioning whether it was wcw, wwf, or TNA. Douglas was a workhorse in ECW. Check his work from UWF, MLW, NWA/TNA, Late 80s to pre 90s WCW. Truly a underrated wrestler with great ring psychology and great wrestling prowess of his time
he had to make wrestlers look good cuz his moveset was too limited to make himself look good. He admitted that he liked the role of the heel cuz he was better at taking offense and selling than being the one who actually has to dominate the match.
@@JorgeMunoz-gn5do As much as I love Flair, his career and what he has done for the business in general, you are correct! It would've been great for business to put Shane over, he was that new blood and classical image that was very much needed at the time! Shane could've changed the game for the better and made a lot of history and money could've been made for all involved!
A joke? Why did Vince McMahon fund ECW with Paul Heyman to interpromote with both ECW and WWF supplying talent between both promotions, supplying promotional resources for ECWs ppvs, event and money as a partnership cause Vince saw money in ECW as WWF and Vince McMahon were getting there ass kicked in the Monday Night Wars with WCW as Vince ripped off the hardcore style of ECW created by Shane Douglas with Paul Heyman guiding him for Vince Mcmahon to save his dwindling product creating the Attitude Era and the ECW style in wwf for decades to come doofus!
Douglas contributed ZERO to wrestling. Flair helped Steamboat, Sting, luger, Arn, RNR Express, midnight and others get established and ALL of them drew more than this guy.
The Franchise Shane Douglas revolutionized wrestling as the greatest heel of his time in 93 to 99 in ECW. He created the hardcore of style of ECW under guidance from Heyman as Vince McMahon ripped it off to create the attitude Era and the spectrum of wrestling years to come there. He was a workhorse in UWF, MLW, WCW late 80s to early 90s and the 2nd run in late 90s to early 2000s. Currently, he works the indie circuit conpetting and teaching in seminars guiding the new generation of talent to find there potential as budding talent creating there own path. HHH ripped of the Franchise Shane Douglas heel persona from ECW as a watered, dumbed down, cheap, carbon copy version of the Franchise he created as the Game in 99. ECW thrived cause of him. He breathe life into a blood and guts company of ECW merging his idealism, superior wrestling prowess and great ring psychology making the product a innovative style with no corporate sponsers, no million dollar investers and no millionaries money rivaling the 2 million dollar companies of WCW and wwf.
@@JorgeMunoz-gn5do I seen him in The UWF in 1987 live and he was a nothing then and was always a nothing. Period....Average worker at best, less than average mic skills and little to no ring psychology, Couldn't motivate a crowd to take a nap. I grew up on the old NWA and AWA.
@@billywilliams8753 Your perception is flawed but I take your opinion into notice since we all have our own favorable tastes not just myself. He was the legend at most in ECW and the greatest heel of his generation in ECW and the champion that called out other champions from the 2 million dollar promotion of WCW and WWE. He was doing promos ahead of his time by the opinions of Paul Heyman and Austin in 94 to 96 in ECW like the Evolution of a Franchise promo in 95 which was a 30 min promo and in 94 trashing the NWA title which took balls and he took the initiative taking a blood and guts hardcore product with no millionaire money, sponsors and etc. and immersed it in his image as a legitimate and high calibrated alternative making WCW and WWE elevate there product competitively. Austin praised his babyface work with him in late 80s and early 90s in WCW as the steamboat tag matches with Shane against the Hollywood blondes were also ahead of its time. Austin and Styles stated his babyface work complimenting with his heel promo, he was up there with the best. I'm trying not to realliterate what I said the last post. No ring psychology, no mic skills and average? Just your opinion which is miserably flawed but its a opinionated observation. He knew to draw legit heat like know other. The Gary Wolfe halo shake where the crowd actually attacked him out the building and was forced out the arena and his many fueds with Taz were great storylines and the matches with Funk were high calibration 60 min matches with Sabu together were groundbreaking work than what they were doing in wwf and WCW at that time. All this would have not happened with Shane Douglas. You grew up with NWA and AWA, epic times!
I actually had the pleasure of having a conversation with shane douglas at wrestlecon this year..........he is one of the most down to earth and genuine people ever!!
I met him in 2016 in Queens NYC, total stand up guy and great human being. Totally agree!!
I’ve never met him but it doesn’t surprise me he is like that.
He is one of the best workers ever. You’ve proved this.
I met Shane back in 2015 at an Indy show and he was one of the nicest people I’ve ever met. We talked for 45 minutes
Shane definitely comes across as a genuine good man, I've never met him but you can see that he's genuine. I love to hear him talk about the clique and then listen to the clique talk about the same things, I believe him far more than I believe the clique.
I was done w Flair, when he tried clownin Douglas for being a Target manager. A career that pays like 100k a year, is nothing to scoff at, especially for a man, who's working in his 70s bc he cared more about keeping up an image, than being financially responsible. Anyone that looks down on the working class, is a sad, insecure, little person.
Flair still works because he has to, he's got 5 ex-wives to feed lol
Tell it like it is Se Se. Flair is working way way past his prime. He cares more about his image than his family. It is all about the image with flair. He has ruined his legacy
Well said
He's bagging on him for failing so badly at wrestling
@Zack from the North Do top talent need to be working into their seventies in order to pay the bills?
I've always respected Shane for his honesty, straight shooting and calling bullshit . I highly enjoy listening to the Triple Threat Podcast each week, he tells like it is....
Douglas was cutting promos on Flair way before Bigelow and Candido joined him...as early as 1994...
I've always had a lot of respect for Shane Douglas. He was a good performer and pretty good on the mic. WWE and WCW wasted his talent. His "Franchise" persona had a lot of potential in WCW although the Revolution stable didn't make much sense, even with the talent within the stable. Being part of the New Blood would make more sense. His run as WCW U.S. Champion could have laid the groundwork for a potential run as WCW World Heavyweight Champion and push him to main event status in WCW. He did manage to win the World Title in ECW and NWA though. His short reign as Intercontinental Champion in the WWE could have been handled a lot better with a better gimmick than "Dean Douglas." Although that particular Title reign counts and is in the history books, it did nothing for his character, considering he lost it immediately.
He's a natural heel and definitely someone I'd want on my roster if I ran a wrestling company. He's certainly not one of my favorites but I give the man his dues and have a lot of respect for him.
Shane Douglas is a real class act and classy guy. I miss seeing him in the ring, a real professional and wrestling needs more of guys like him...
The character of Ric Flair in the ECW environment would be strange to see.
It would have been really cool. Other than his initial return to WCW on Nitro it was all downhill from there creatively for Flair.
Bryan8329 he would have been the greatest heel in the history of the company
If it was for the larger goal of working the Spectrum or getting ECW in a bigger arena, I can see that working.
@@Bryan8329 Better yet, we got Dusty in ECW. :D
Would have been entirely fine at the time he is talking about. They had guys like Jimmy Snuka, Hawk, Mr. Hughes, Terry Funk and others working in the main events. They also had people like Pat Tanaka and jim neidhart, Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton make appearances around that same time. Could have meant a much different outcome for ECW if he had come in and they became mainstream.
I've been watching 1994/95 ECW episodes and Shane's promos on Flair were fucking masterful. That type of raw intensity just can't be faked
The thumbnail looks like Bam Margera in a disguise.
He really does look like him 🤣
I always thought Shane could be bams real father
I want shane to work for either IMPACT or NWA this guy is a legend and he's a great personality
Shane was on impact back in the day when it was called tna wrestling
legend? You weirdos give that title to anyone who's been on TV 15 times LOL
You are crazy if you think the nwa would have Douglas back after what he did to the belt
@@Theoneandonlyadammurphyryan Oh please. NWA was dead, and had been for ten years.
I have nothing but respect ✊🏼 for both men, Ric Flair is one ☝️ of my favorites and I also have a lot of regard for Shane Douglas great 👍🏼 mic skills and a great talent in the ring in my opinion, extremely underrated.
anyone who calls douglas a "great talent" just overrated him and should never finish up their statement by calling him underrated.
@@timmutohfan The Franchise Shane Douglas was the best heel of his generation from 93 to 99 in ECW. He created the hardcore style of ECW under guidance from Heyman yet Vince McMahon ripped off The Franchise Shane Douglas blueprint of the hardcore style of ECW to create the attitude Era and the WWE product onward in time. Shane Douglas revolutionized wrestling as the supreme heel and the best promo in wrestling in his ECW run. Check his work in MLW, UWF, XPW, NWA-TNA, WCW late 80s to early 90s and his 2nd run in the late 90 to early 2000s. He was a solid workhorse and was the champion that called out all other champions from the other promotions in ECW which was the concept of his character and gimmick pitched by Heyman as the arrogant, loud mouth jock, musclar watered-down long haired musclar physique, with his head cheerleader and as a heel champion. Triple H ripped off Shane Douglas heel blueprint from ECW but was a cheap, carbon copy, dumbed down version of The Franchise. Even Stone Cold, Joey Styles and Paul Heyman praised his work from his promos that were ahead of his time in 94 to 95 or 96, and his solid work in wcw late 80s to early 90s in his tag team with Ricky Steamboat against the Hollywood Blondes was great.
He seems to be pretty straight forward.
Shane Douglas was money for ECW
Facts
That's it
and Tommy dreamer was the only one who got paid
Right! 🙄 He pack that bingo hall with an extra few dozen more asses to the seats...
@@jakelang806 LOL
Shane tells a great story
This man is one of best Heels ever!
Brenton Diggs 👍👍👍 highly agree with you
Yep I cant even watch wrestling anymore after being spoiled by ECFKNW
Jon Means On god
You gripping
In ECW maybe.
Flair’s carry on shits me. The fact that there is no overt ego about this bloke in an interview situation, is refreshing.
Yes the Nature Boy is God when it comes to pro wrestling. But that doesn't mean he wasn't a dick behind the scenes. Shane's being genuine. Nothing but love to the Nature Boy and the Franchise
Thats what people dont get
Flair is a legend, but he's not the god of wrestling 🤣
Jesus is God
@@sese6227 JBL is the real god of wrestling
Add Shawn Michaels to being a good ass wrestler but was a Super Dick..
We never know how our hero’s are behind close doors
True that. As a kid I loved Hulk Hogan. I thought he was the ultimate good guy. Unfortunately, it turned out that he was a huge politician that screwed over a lot of people.
@@jeremyzak654 a lot of the top guys did....some still do.
Douglas is a well spoken individual...
Agreed, very much so
Shane is a great story teller. You can tell other guys completely bullshit their way in a shoot. Shane is genuine. No need to tell lies.
Douglas vs Flair in WCW was never going to be a draw. Douglas never had real heat outside of ECW, your general fan back then had zero idea of any grudge between the 2, and Douglas, after multiple injuries, was nowhere near what he was a wrestler.
I'm just surprised Shane talked about Dusty without doing an impression of him!
Looking back I like his work in 2000 the most. Torrie Wilson as his manager. So much heel heat going on. Would have been a great time to put the Big Gold Belt on him. He could work a great match with just about anyone in the company at that time.
What’s interesting is that. The Hollywood Blondes faced steamboat and Douglas in tag team matches. But later in single feuds you have Pillman vs. Douglas in ECW and before you had Austin vs. Steamboat in WCW.
Even Foley said Flair was an utter dick head when he was booking WCW in the early 90s.
Shane Douglas had a cup of coffee in the big time.
I like Shane, but you don't get a main event one-on-one match against Michael Jordan just because you trashed him publicly for 5 years. Ric didn't owe it to Shane to give him that limelight.
Shane keeps it 100, HBK was, is, and always be my all time favorite Pro Wrestler, With Roddy, Macho, The Rock, And Randy ORTON, and Tully Blanchard right behind, Shane is 8n that Top Ten as Well, CM Punk as well, Pillman, Candino, Lugar, Brody, Double A, Kevin Nash, Sean Waltmen
i fucking love shane man
Did Shane just say an angle with him and an ancient Ric Flair could have turned WCW's fortunes around?
@@BOBBYSOX86 would have been better than the insane asylum gimmick
Ric gets credit for being the best on the mic, but his interviews were just like his matches: every one became exactly the same. It was a great bit, but he would just keep doing the same stuff over & over. To me, Shane was insane on the mic. I never thought Shane was tremendous in the ring, but he was the best talker ever for me personally. He just was used wrong everywhere except ECW.
All these guys that talk about flair come off as really jealous Ric flair is one of the top 5 greatest pro wrestlers ever and they know it
Now i really want to see this match
Shane Douglas was probably my favorite. He was untouchable when he was ECW World Heavyweight Champion before getting hurt. I would absolutely destroy people with my created Shane Douglas on Smackdown versus Raw 2007 2010 and 2011. You could wrestle any style with him. And his moveset with f*** you up.
and yet the fucking mark is still sitting here talking about Ric Flair twenty years later
They are the ones asking the questions to Shane Douglas doofus! Read the topic of the interview doofus cause your perception is flawed and remotely condescending. Shane Douglas has a tumultuous and high respect for Ric Flair as he got into wrestling through his work and ethics even though there relationship had soured by Flair sabataging him and screwing him and the many young talent and generation of young talent in the past like Shane Douglas in his budding wrestling days as a young man by Shanes bitterness which was clearly justified from Flair sabataging him and many other young talents yet these times it's Flair as the one who still hates Douglas these days on interviews and podcasts. When Flair almost died, Shane Douglas offered a great recovery even after all there differences and also when Flairs son died, Shane as well gave Flair condolences.
You damn right we love ric flair in Philadelphia pa
Like Sean Waltman said Ric Flair stole his gimmick from Buddy Rogers and always thought he was too good to fight Shane yeah ok lol at least Shane didn't steal his gimmick he made The Franchise great in ECW
"You're a biter, Ric!"
Buddy Roger's gave his nickname to Flair. Get your facts straight.
Douglas IMO does come across as a bit, like someone who could easily rub folk up the wrong way but when Ric was shooting on him when he was in the hole and working in Walmart was poor. Lost respect for him watching that shoot. The glee in his voice. I respected Douglas more than Flair then because a job is a job and Douglas, to me, is being a man doing what he has to do to make ends meet and provide for his family.
@@waxoftriple9 What does that have to do w what Flair said, years later, about Douglas? Firstly, he works as a Target manager, making six figures, & secondly, who TF is Flair, to crap all over the working man, when his financial troubles have been well documented?
Flair and Douglas on the mic try to tell me anyone better
Ric knew the checks would bounce
He's crazy to think a feud with Ric Flair would turn WCW around. Shane Douglas simply wasn't over in WCW.
You're right about that,but he never got used properly.Ric Flair and Sting çould still make the crowd pop in the last days of WCW,but nobody was over and nobody could get over because the damage had already been done.
He's sounds like a genius compared to the fool who thought the finger poke of doom was going to change WCW's fortunes. Nothing would've saved them by then anyway.
Knowing Paul Heyman, there's likely a *0%* chance that he had *any* discussion with anybody at WCW about bringing Flair to ECW. I think he made the whole thing up to feed Shane's ego. Shane wasn't even close to being on Flair's level at any point during the mid-1990s, nor would a Flair/Douglas match have filled up even a third of the Spectrum back in 1994. Shane was talented in the ring and on the mic, but the ECW fame had him thinking that he was a legit main event attraction/draw, on par with Hogan, Flair, Bret, etc. Shane's "feud" with Flair was about using his name for clout.
Flair is the better wrestler, but shane is the better human.
everything in wcw that had a hint of russo involvement was a dog and pony shit show I swear some nitros would have 8 run ins in a row
Loved the Franchise character Troy Martin portrayed in ECW. I think it was one of the top heel characters ever and he was very underrated as a heel, I'm a fan of both Ric Flair and Shane Douglas and wish they would put their issues aside. Shane had valid points about Flair.
Shane gives one of the best interviews he always has unless your a unprofessional hack that does a Shoot interview in a pool! it’s strange WCW had two former world champions in Shane Douglas & Bret Hart and did barley anything with them..... It’s a real shame something so valuable just imploded due to egos and selfishness
WCW didn't know how to use talent right. For example, DDP's world title reigns were short but could of been longer
Curt Hennig and Larry Zbyszko were not only former AWA Champs they worked alongside one another against four time Champ Nick Bockwinkel who finished his career there as a Face and eventually became WCW Commissioner. Plus both Sherri Martel and Madusa Miceli were AWA Women's Champs who ended up feuding in WCW. So there is that.🤔😊🎤🤼♀️🤼♂️B.W.
AW C'MON... ALL Y'ALL NEED TO GET ALONG YOU ARE GROWN MEN
If you're grown, you shouldn't be this naive...?
Sadly I remember Shane hurt always
People think that everyone that trashes flair is jealous of his legacy. I think there's some truth to those allegations, considering his current situation. Bitter about his 5th divorce and the fact that nobody is reaching out to him. Keep in mind, i loved watching flair wrestle and still go back to watch some of his matches, but when you're a petty old man who wants to be 28 forever then you lose a lot of respect to me. The only person i have hardly heard anyone say a bad word about, especially from those that trash other wrestlers, is undertaker.
Comparing Douglas to Flair is like Comparing Vanilla Ice to Elvis.
You got that right 👍 Woooo
Comparing ice cream to horse manure!! Lol
Vanilla Ice had the #1 rap song of all time.😁
@@drvn8 who said it was the #1 rap song of all time? Think Dr Dre or snoop thinks it is the #1 rap song ever. It is normally on list as one of the worst songs ever. From CBS news
It's a terrible song. The rhymes are weak and it directly steals from Queen's & David Bowie's hit, "Under Pressure." If Vanilla Ice had acknowledged this at the time and had shown a degree of humility, then it would have been remembered as being a quaint novelty song.
@@rolltide9547 I think it made the most money. Ric Flair ripped off Buddy Rodgers, so I have no problem with Vanilla Ice taking a beat from Van Halen and making it a number one song.
I don't care what Snoop and Dr. Dre think.
A bit of mark history: After a Ecw show in flagstaff- Jim Thorpe, me and my buddy hung out after the show waiting for the wrestlers to leave. Shane (champ)came out a door to the lot and behind him was Kevin Sullivan, with woman, we sort of ignored Shane and asked KS for his autograph. Shane stood there for a bit thinking we wanted his- we didn't.
Both of you are pricks. I would have asked Shane Douglas for a autograph in those ECW days with a great conversation. Very underrated. I met him years back. Totally kind, genuine integrity and a knowledgeable about the business.
Fuck Kevin Sullivan...
Shane Douglas forever👌👌
Like him, or hate him Ric Flair was the greatest wrestler of all time, Shane Douglas was nothing more then a mid card high end JOBBER...period.
Greatest wrestler of all time? Ric flair ? Lol.
Not a chance in hell.
What would happend if Shane actually signed with the WWF in thr late 90s instead of WCW?
Shane Douglas was an mid card champ for WWF & WCW. He couldn't get over with both companies. He fitted best in ECW as their world heavyweight champion. Someone like Ric Flair or Hogan could get over in WWF & WCW unlike him. He couldn't do that cause of the fans.
This shit would have only worked in 94 by this time Shane was out of shape and Ric Flair was wearing on people.
Ric Flair said he wouldn't wrestle Shane for one million dollars.
These days he would
Yet he did multiple times in WCW.
He's done a lot worse for less lol
Flair was boring as hell. Mic skills and that's all.
Dark side of the ring...
Love them both but Shane doesn’t borrow money from everyone Flair is the Goat but Douglas spits the truth
ECW wanted Ric Flair, Flair didn't want ECW.
so do they have heat now
Now a clerk at Wal-Mart
Area Manager on $100k+. What do you earn?
What are you?
What's wrong with working at Wal-Mart?
Remember ge learned from ernie ladd
Who is Shane Douglas? Wait... Isn't he the clerk over at Walmart?😆🤣
If he provides for himself and his family by doing that, whats wrong with it?
Interesting.
My dude in ecw.
Shane is great to listen to, but if he feels like he had the star power to turn nitro into the number one show again, hes crazy!
navynugget7. What even makes Shane Douglas think he even deserves to have anything with Ric Flair. Shane is what? Hell hes not even a top star. Who is he.
Living in your brain rent free it seems.
Shane was just the worst as a villain but man he made it look good. Refreshing he's such a cool down to earth guy. They seem to make some of the best heels :3
As far as a match between Shane Douglas vs Ric Flair in ECW, I'm not sure as to how that would've worked, because sure the ECW crowd was smart and they knew a slew of talent that came from WWF or WCW except for Undertaker, Savio, The Rock, etc, but I just don't know an angle between Douglas vs Flair was gonna draw.
*FUN FACT:* If you listen closely in the background, you can actually hear someone yelling, _"Troy, Get back to work. Those shopping carts are not going to bring themselves back in the store..."_
Hey, no shame in working
It all stems from a young kid getting burned by his idol.
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Shane and Ric didn't get along...Shane was just jealous he couldn't get over alot with the crowd in WCW. Shane was just mid card champ at best. The only place he got over at which is ECW. But other than that, mid card champ at best in WCW or WWE cause thats what they seen him as.Not world heavyweight champion material.
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I remember that stuff in wcw they didn’t book it right and Shane ended up a mid carder for most of the time there not that he didn’t get tv time but they didn’t view him as a main event player then he got screwed with the whole Eddie, dean and Benoit defecting to wwe it was a lack luster run in wcw wasn’t his fault
two of them so sound so much similar, this guy has a complete savior complex. He is not what he portrays himself to be. To be honest Ric should act like a legend he acts like a little boy, every rap star uses his gimmick, he doesnt have confidence.
He couldn’t hold a candle to anything ric fldir does. He’s delusional
I like Shane but Flair the GOAT
Shane Douglas was a guy that, when he came on TV, you changed the channel. His promos were fine, but his in ring work was impossibly boring. No one cared about Flair vs Douglas. Well, besides the 20 people that knew about their heat. For him to think that feud could make WCW #1 again is hilarious.
You're completely dillusiinal! The Franchise was a legit workhorse in uwf, mlw, nwa\tna, WCW, ECW. The indefinable greatest heel of his generation in 93 to 99 ECW where even Triple H stole and jacked the whole Franchise gimmick calling it the Game in 99 onward but HHH was a dumbed down, cheap carbon copy of Shane Douglas. The Franchise was the mega heel causing riots as the audience attacked him in many spots like the Gary Wolfe halo incident, his entrance to Barely Legal where that heat he generated in the audience and wrestled great matches with Bam Bam Bigelow also Terry Funk and Sabu in the The Night the line was crossed match in 94 which was straight innovative what wwf or WCW was doing before it's time and the year long Taz feud was epic. I agree on Shane vs Flair being too late already to fued as there bests days were gone for both. Also WCW was a sinking ship where even Russo couldn't save it.
I never changed the channel when Shane came on TV
Flair passed that torch quite a few times in his career, Steamboat, Sting, Luger etc.
Shane Douglass is a mark for himself and thinks he was way better than he actually was.
Shane Douglas revolutionized pro wrestling as the most notorious heel ever in wrestling in ECW from 92 to 99 ever. He created the hard core style of ECW and developed a bingo hall promotion and took it to the national stage with no millionaire money, no corporate sponsors and no corporate backing all by himself. Even Triple Untalented ripped his whole heel persona in wwf in 99. He was a workhorse in MLW, UWF, Nwa/tna, WCW late 80s to early 90s and 2000s. Had legendary matches with Funk, Taz, Bam Bam Bigelow that stands the test of time
@Edgehead10075 If ecw sucked why did Mcmahon rip off the ECW product to create the Attitude Era. If ecw sucked, why did mcmahon fund ecw in a partnership with heyman supplying resources and introducing ecw talent back and forth interpromotionally as Vince stole many concepts ecw became notorious for while wwf was a awful cartoon in its lowest point in the promotion? If ecw sucked, why did wcw poach all ecw talent from all the cruiserweights/luchadors who wrestled in ECW introducing them to the American market before wcw and wwf did? If ecw sucked, you're saying Beniot, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero, Perry saturn, Psychosis, John kronus, Juventud Guerrara, chris jericho, Rey Mysterio, taka michinoko, Dr death Steve willliams, etc all sucked as all of them made there names first in ecw? You have minimal, zero crediblity and repeating "STFU" won't save you. hhh ripped off the Franchise from ecw, a one,prime example wwf/Mcmahon ripped off the ecw product like the Franchise gimmick ripped off for hhh.
@Edgehead10075 The Attitude Era and it's conceptual direction comes from the hardcore style of ecw as a direct rip off with the employed deception from hardcore matches, hardcore titles, tables, ladders, scantily clad women, many creative storylines and creative direction like the ecw wrestlers gimmicks robbed for wwf wrestlers from taz/sandman went to the Stone Cold character, the franchise gimmick to hhh as the game, the mickey whipwreck finisher the whippersnapper stolen by Austin calling it the stone cold stunner in wwf, even the ecw wrestlers migrating to wwf yet with atrocious cartoon gimmicks from flash funk who was 2 cold Scorpio, cactus jack becoming mankind, chainsaw Charlie who was Terry funk, etc. The nwo was a rip off from a storyline employed from a Japanese promotion employing the interpromotional takeover by a new faction to that promotion done before wcw/nwo. NWO was a worked, collective takeover by the outsiders claiming they came from wwf to battle wcw but was just there by that angle. NWO had nothing to do with the Attitude Era only forcing wwf to change there product to compete with nitro/wcw as wwf was a cartoony out of touch product only til Mcmahon ushered "Attitude" into wwf. Ecw had a scathing talented roster as you agree yet you say ecw was a shit product. That doesn't make sense cause ECW was at the peak in the wrestling world while wwf had cartoon, inferior product and wcw still was under heavy politics with the old fart legends holding down all the young talent. Ecw was fresh and groundbreaking for its time.
@Edgehead10075 Hhh stole Shane's speech cadences, physical mannerisms, shoot style promos word for word, musclar watered-down physique, the female valet as shane had Francine first in ecw, hhh had stephanie as a wannabe Francine second in wwf, the original faction as shane had the triple threat, hhh had dx. Hhh was successful for having a million dollar company of wwf pushing him unlike Shane Douglas becoming a legend with no millionaire money, no corporate backing, corporate sponsorships. Shane had a company on its back for nearly a decade while hhh had the perks of sitting back getting handed success by association being in 7 to 8 factions never finding success alone needing to be on the backs of people like shawn michaels, Mcmahon, Ric Flair, Stephanie, chyna and etc
@Edgehead10075 Funny cause Vince russo also said he watched ecw and cocked blindedly all his attitude era work from ecw. Vince russo also claims to making all the success hhh had as the Game all his work discrediting hhh not having any part of that success.
at 1:50 "JIm herd would've listened to ric flair" No he wouldn't have, they butt'd heads constantly
Rick really isn't all that
Wait. It started so he could get heat. Isn’t that a work? Even if it was true.
Flair put sooooo many guys over
Ric Flair has put over and made more wrestlers look good than anyone else in the history of the business. The best thing about Douglas was Francine.
Yes but Flair also pinned the world title on himself 15 or 16 times overstaying his welcome with a deteriorated physique and deteriorated wrestling prowess decades before he should have stepped down as half of his career in his lather years was living off his name and taking bumps to get a check in whichever promotion he weaseled his way in after his deteriorated body and conditioning whether it was wcw, wwf, or TNA. Douglas was a workhorse in ECW. Check his work from UWF, MLW, NWA/TNA, Late 80s to pre 90s WCW. Truly a underrated wrestler with great ring psychology and great wrestling prowess of his time
he had to make wrestlers look good cuz his moveset was too limited to make himself look good. He admitted that he liked the role of the heel cuz he was better at taking offense and selling than being the one who actually has to dominate the match.
@@JorgeMunoz-gn5do
As much as I love Flair, his career and what he has done for the business in general, you are correct! It would've been great for business to put Shane over, he was that new blood and classical image that was very much needed at the time! Shane could've changed the game for the better and made a lot of history and money could've been made for all involved!
LOL Shane douglas thinks he was a draw
Shane wishes he had the same legacy of Ric Flair...
Nah, I think Shane is so
Much happier just being a good person
Agree totally with smoke.
Hannibal > Sean Oliver
Times 100, and doesn’t feel some weird compulsion to speak in a vulgar fashion, in order to be “one of the guys.”
And why is Shane not HELPING wwe?
Except it never happened and it was all news to Ric. Flair, genuinely thought Shane was a joke.
WOOOOOO
0:13 hey that's funny
Guy was a nothingburger in WCW, always complaining and whining
😅 This is like your 10th comment....sounds like you're his biggest fan.
@@sese6227 Guy was a WORTHLESS POS. I've been watching wrestling sine 1964. Seen it all. How about YOU CHILD?
It's hard to find any wrestlers from the great "ECW" who weren't in debt from the company. It really was a joke of a company.
A joke? Why did Vince McMahon fund ECW with Paul Heyman to interpromote with both ECW and WWF supplying talent between both promotions, supplying promotional resources for ECWs ppvs, event and money as a partnership cause Vince saw money in ECW as WWF and Vince McMahon were getting there ass kicked in the Monday Night Wars with WCW as Vince ripped off the hardcore style of ECW created by Shane Douglas with Paul Heyman guiding him for Vince Mcmahon to save his dwindling product creating the Attitude Era and the ECW style in wwf for decades to come doofus!
Flair is the greatest ever, French Fries...
dirbrody Most overrated ever.
Was in the 70s and 80s Micheals is better technically and better promos and AJ Styles is better than both of them in the ring.
R K Ric's promos and in ring wasn't what made him legendary (though he was great), it was his captivating character and charisma.
Not a big Flair fan. but this sounds like BS
Let’s be real, flair cheated a lot to get the win but in the end he put over everybody he ever feuded with as a heel
Douglas contributed ZERO to wrestling. Flair helped Steamboat, Sting, luger, Arn, RNR Express, midnight and others get established and ALL of them drew more than this guy.
The Franchise Shane Douglas revolutionized wrestling as the greatest heel of his time in 93 to 99 in ECW. He created the hardcore of style of ECW under guidance from Heyman as Vince McMahon ripped it off to create the attitude Era and the spectrum of wrestling years to come there. He was a workhorse in UWF, MLW, WCW late 80s to early 90s and the 2nd run in late 90s to early 2000s. Currently, he works the indie circuit conpetting and teaching in seminars guiding the new generation of talent to find there potential as budding talent creating there own path. HHH ripped of the Franchise Shane Douglas heel persona from ECW as a watered, dumbed down, cheap, carbon copy version of the Franchise he created as the Game in 99. ECW thrived cause of him. He breathe life into a blood and guts company of ECW merging his idealism, superior wrestling prowess and great ring psychology making the product a innovative style with no corporate sponsers, no million dollar investers and no millionaries money rivaling the 2 million dollar companies of WCW and wwf.
@@JorgeMunoz-gn5do I seen him in The UWF in 1987 live and he was a nothing then and was always a nothing. Period....Average worker at best, less than average mic skills and little to no ring psychology, Couldn't motivate a crowd to take a nap. I grew up on the old NWA and AWA.
@@billywilliams8753 Your perception is flawed but I take your opinion into notice since we all have our own favorable tastes not just myself. He was the legend at most in ECW and the greatest heel of his generation in ECW and the champion that called out other champions from the 2 million dollar promotion of WCW and WWE. He was doing promos ahead of his time by the opinions of Paul Heyman and Austin in 94 to 96 in ECW like the Evolution of a Franchise promo in 95 which was a 30 min promo and in 94 trashing the NWA title which took balls and he took the initiative taking a blood and guts hardcore product with no millionaire money, sponsors and etc. and immersed it in his image as a legitimate and high calibrated alternative making WCW and WWE elevate there product competitively. Austin praised his babyface work with him in late 80s and early 90s in WCW as the steamboat tag matches with Shane against the Hollywood blondes were also ahead of its time. Austin and Styles stated his babyface work complimenting with his heel promo, he was up there with the best. I'm trying not to realliterate what I said the last post. No ring psychology, no mic skills and average? Just your opinion which is miserably flawed but its a opinionated observation. He knew to draw legit heat like know other. The Gary Wolfe halo shake where the crowd actually attacked him out the building and was forced out the arena and his many fueds with Taz were great storylines and the matches with Funk were high calibration 60 min matches with Sabu together were groundbreaking work than what they were doing in wwf and WCW at that time. All this would have not happened with Shane Douglas. You grew up with NWA and AWA, epic times!
Jorge Munoz Long post, but I think many would agree with me. Opinion does matter and I Don't think he had anything to offer.
@@billywilliams8753 Shane Douglas offered very much yet your opinion is taken in consideration.
Shane was a better worker. There I said it
LMAO....good one...never seen a 60 minute douglas match....got a link to those?
Ed Bain ecw the night line was crossed Shane wrestled terry funk and sabu to an hour, so yes he has gone 60 minutes
so once douglas did it in a triple threat match? wow spectacular..
Flair wrestled the same match and and the save promos for 40 years. His entire gimmick was a rip off.
if you were a pro wrestler, whose career would you rather have, flair's or douglas'? exactly..
The Franchise 😆 😂 😆
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