The Antikythera Mechanism Episode 10 - Evidence Of A 354-day Lunar Calendar
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- The #Antikythera Mechanism Episode 10 - Evidence Of A 354-day Lunar Calendar
Hi Folks, you may be aware that there has been some research in the works for the last couple of years. I'm pleased to announce that it has now been published, do please enjoy: bhi.co.uk/anti...
Cheers,
Chris.
[EDIT 28th June 2024 - A third unrelated group of researchers has released a paper on the same matter, you can read it here:
An improved calendar ring hole-count for the Antikythera mechanism
Graham Woan, Joseph Bayley
bhi.co.uk/wp-c... ]
[EDIT 16th April 2024 - A second unrelated group of researchers has released a paper on the same matter, you can read it here:
How Many Days in an Egyptian Year?
Evidence from the Antikythera Mechanism
Stuart Malin, R. J. Dickens
April 2024
bhi.co.uk/wp-c... ]
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Hi Folks, you may be aware that there has been some research in the works for the last couple of years. I'm pleased to announce that it has now been published, do please enjoy: bhi.co.uk/antikytheramechanism/
Cheers,
Chris.
[EDIT 12th March 2024 - An unrelated group of researchers has released a paper on the same matter, you can read it here:
An improved calendar ring hole-count for the Antikythera mechanism
Graham Woan, Joseph Bayley
Submitted on 29 Feb 2024
arxiv.org/pdf/2403.00040 ]
[EDIT 16th April 2024 - A second unrelated group of researchers has released a paper on the same matter, you can read it here:
How Many Days in an Egyptian Year?
Evidence from the Antikythera Mechanism
Stuart Malin, R. J. Dickens
April 2024
bhi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/04-HJApril24-AOTM.pdf ]
Thank you for sharing. Fantastic!
I really enjoy these videos, thank you for making them. 😁
I read your published work a couple months ago on SocArXiv, and was actually an astonishing read that it most likely would have been a 356 day calendar. The research and work you put into this is truly astonishing! Look forward to your uploads!
That's fantastic! We can finally stop seeing the same comment on every "Clips" video! Also getting published... But mainly the comment thing
Probably the best bit of this serries is the research paper. New findings from trying to recreate something with the original methods and Xrays/CAD.
Wooooooooooooo!
For some reason I'm always tickled when one RUclipsr I follow comments on a video by another RUclipsr I follow. 😁
+1
Woo-Hoo indeed. I heartily second this.
@@SolarWebsite Yeah, me too.
I also get excited seeing my fellow Texan and one of my favorite youtubers following and supporting great content.
HE HAS RETURNED WHEN THE WORLD NEEDED HIM MOST!
2020 is better now.
He's the chosen one after all
Now the covid Will go away
You are so right !!
God! We have missed you!!
excellent detective work!!
good to see you back.
so, he finally decided to bring him back
His skills with the lathe magic grow stronger
@@OtherWorldExplorers Nah, wasn't the banana peel. Was knock on Butterfly effect from TOT sending Martin the conveyor shafts.
Can't wait to see that new drillpress🤗
Hey TOT is it you that's been leaving all the comments about throwing the completed mechanism in the ocean to avoid a paradoxical catastrophe?
It’s awesome to see you back! I’m really looking forward to this investigation and build playing out.
Glad to see that LPL is a fellow man of culture!
LPL is a gentleman and a scholar. I knew it.
I was about to say "Hi this is the lock picking lawyer and today I'm going to show you how the Egyptian calendar can be deciphered with a paper clip :-)
Why is it that you always pop up on all the videos I watch?
Lol just came from a cleetus video you commented on 👍
Who else lit up like a Christmas tree when the word "Antikythera" popped up in their notifications?
same bro
✋
Hand up!
Yep!!
YES - me :-D
"Sorry you've had to wait for another part of the build, we've just been upending a hundred years worth of assumptions and understaning"
🤣🤣🤣
Classic.
“G’day Chris here, and welcome back to clickspring”
Words I never thought that I wanted to hear again so badly.
Ngl I almost cried
Same here. I've been drooling over this project for years. It has been deeply satisfying to actually click on a new Clickspring episode .. I had even forgotten what it felt like. 2020 sucks a little less now. Oh and the discovery is going to be interesting to delve into later.
Cheers 🍺
"Hmm, the divisions seem a bit wrong. I'll postpone the video for a bit until I'm sure"
~Two years and a research paper later~
It's funny how much progress is made by people going "hmm, something about this doesn't sit right with me." :Reinvents whole field:
@@finngardiner5358 The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not “Eureka” but “That's funny...” -Isaac Asimov
Well worth the wait!
@@finngardiner5358 Science in a nut shell :)
Now THAT is production value
Something positive did happen in 2020! "G'day, Chris here."
I feel like I’ve aged a lifetime since the last clickspring video
i almost thought that he died...
@@Shadow__X If his heart stopped, he'd speak calmly to it, and then build himself another one out of annealed brass using excellent, perfect filing.
Not many RUclips channels start a series, go away for two years, publish a scientific paper about it and then come back and resume it. Your dedication to this stunning! 😁
And have everyone still stoked to watch two year later.
And have nearly 50k views in the first two hours...
However, this is not at all out of character. Viewing the rest of his body of work, it's clear to see this man lives and breathes dedication and patience.
This video is like when Thanos snapped his fingers and nothing was the same ever again.
I always wondered why Thanos didn't just double or triple the resources in the universe rather than halving the occupants. Weird.
@@Makebuildmodify Thanos is a nihilist and in love with death in the Marver universe comics. That's mainly the reason I guess.
This ❤️❤️
Rofl! Perfect symbolism
@@pekkasaarinen2902 Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Nothing really matters anyway........You see what I did there? ;)
TL;DR - It was discovered that the original mechanism had "ToT was here" stamped into it. That time travel episode was REAL!
What?
@@chefboyardeesnuts277 See This Old Tony's video "Origins." You won't regret it. It's a collaboration between Clickspring and ToT, and features cameos from a number of other machinist channels like Abom79 and Stefan Gotteswinter.
@@chefboyardeesnuts277 Bah, realized I sound like a bot. I'm not. I'm responding your post where you obviously haven't seen the time travel episode.
Everyone: Where the heck has Chris been?
Chris: Solving the mysteries of the ancient world, mate.
I believe he covered this in an episode with this old tony 😂
Perfect.
@@TheNameIwantedWasTkn The original Antikythera Mechanism is actually the very one Chris is making right now, which will get thrown back in time into ancient Greece the very first time he sets it in motion after completing it. It'll then get found by a merchant and end up in a shipwreck. Then remains will be found in 1901, and then later x-rayed and used as a template by Chris to make itself.
So good to hear “g’day chris here”
Matthias: "It is important to use good materials, but I like to use cheap crap."
Tony: "Its functionality isn't as good as it could be, but the editing was pretty funny."
Chris: "I wasnt sure how to build the next part of my project so I took 2 years off while I published a scientific paper detailing the solution"
Ave: it's on the healing bench
@@sreyemhtes is almost to temperature
Matthias?
@@cheyannei5983 Matthias Wandel, awesome woodtuber
"I'd like to thank you for your patience."
No dude, thank YOU. This is YOUR project - you take as long as you need to do it. Sure, we all want more Clickspring updates, but this sounds important to you. So you take your time and let us know how it goes.
I’d rather wait 20 months between videos again, but the reconstructions as accurate as possible given the wreckage, than have more regular videos and and a “looks OK to me” reconstruction. This series shines by trying to reconcile what survives with how it might have been made, and that opens the door for even more discoveries in the future.
The first physical evidence of an Egyptian civil-based lunar calendar that has only been a hypothesis for seventy years is superb for a RUclips series.
2020: I'm going to be the worst year in recent memory.
Chris: Not on my handmade historically accurate watch.
You win the RUclips comments for life! Here is your crown 👑
Underrated
This makes it sound like a scientific instrument, using an observable timebase rather than civil timekeeping, like modern astronomical time
Perhaps that explains why only one has ever been found? It's not for civil or administrative use, but scientific
Maybe 2020 isn't so bad after all now that Chris is back
I think this is the first clear sign that 2021 will be better than 2020
It's kind of terrifying that we had to endure 2020 to get him back.
No! 2020 is absolute shit! But now that Chris has returned we can leave it behind us together and look forth to a bright Future.
Wow welcome back. Been missing this series. As you mention 360 as a potential division it comes to mind that the ancient Hebrew calendar was 360 days to a year rather than 365.
Actually so we're the calendars of most other ancient people's that I am aware of. Since a lunar calendar would get out of sync in only a few years it seems to point to me that the solar year may well have been 360 days at one time and possibly some astronomical catastrophe must have happened. It is interesting to research into this...
@@johnpokrzywa1139 If an astronomical catastrophe capable of adding 5 full days to the year had happened after the invention of writing, we would definitely have evidence of it, at least in the mythology.
I remember looking into this 360 day calendar a long time ago. And my archaeology friends told me that within two years every culture on Earth changed from a 360 day calendar to a 365 day calendar. I think the simplest explanation is that the Earth used to have 360 days in a year and it ended up getting changed at some point. Likely a near-miss from a very large meteor
@@jules3311 Or else there would not be any civilization to make note of it.
@spacecase0
I think your archaeology friends might have been playing a joke on you
Random clockmaker overhauls understanding of ancient device by making it.
"the build series is back on."
You have no idea how happy that has made me after such a shit year. Thank you for your labours, they are a joy to watch.
Other RUclips channels: “check out my makeup tutorial”
Clickspring: “I’ve uncovered a key piece of knowledge about a 2000 year old artifact”
"thank you for our patience" Are you kidding! Thank you for your incredible patience, meticulous detail and effort in allowing us to share your work. Your a gem
Me for the last year: Why isn’t Chris making build videos? What could he possibly be doing instead?
Chris: I was rewriting history.
I was beginning to suspect that Chris had completed the build and it caught the attention of extradimensional, or extraterrestrial beings and they had spirited him away because he knew too much
@@Koumajutsu Or the mechanism was a mechanical time machine and he had gone back to the past to learn from the master?
Hmn, could Chris have been the original apprentice who built the machine and thrown it into the sea on purpose?
YES! YES! YES! YES!
_Nani? Is that... a JOJO REFERENCE?!_
Now I see what was alluded to a few months ago. Truly impressive work. Not only the build itself, but the detailed research, the presentation and clear explanation. You have broken new ground, where everyone else wasn't even in the room. Not only have you made a beautiful mechanism, but have done the original research to contribute to it making yours the only accurate model of this, one of the most important historical mechanical devices discovered.
“After more than a century between videos”
Was literally about to comment this.
Something must have gone wrong on the last time travel with ToT
Beat me to it. @nick you beat me to that.
That's exactly what i thought he was going to say. But to be honest, his last video was in a different decade.
I had the same thought.
Fascinating is an understatement. Incredible, incredible work for both the build and research!
lol everyone is here for the occasion, Practical Engineering,
LockPickingLawyer,
Hand Tool Rescue,
NightHawkInLight, Ronald Finger and more.
The fact that this comment is here says everything you need to know about how highly regarded Clickspring is in the community.
Epic, epic work!
Hey Ronald, I was just thinking about you. In an audiobook I was just reading one of the character disassembles a Fiero and transports it across time one piece by one piece and reassembles it!
its been so long for a new video i was wondering if chris started working on a fiero.
I love your channel as well, look forward to every upload! Happily surprised to see you commenting on one of my other favorite channels! Have an awesome day.
It's Christmas time Folks
Can we all give chris and the other researchers some appreciation for all their Hard work
Nice to have You back
Chris started out making a funny clock, now he's at the forefront of historical investigation. This is gonna be amazing, and welcome back Chris!
Clickspring is returning to the Antikythera Mechanism. Nature is healing.
Best comment award
Μεινε υγιης Χρηστο... (Stay healthy Chris)!
lol everyone is here for the occasion, Practical Engineering,
LockPickingLawyer,
Hand Tool Rescue,
NightHawkInLight, Ronald Finger and more.
Where's, "This Old Tony"?
Maybe still sleeping
@@michaelboris2500 he's here now :D
It's like all the best parts of youtube that doesn't get all the attention.
All that's missing is Luke Towan
@@linuslovholm Also Adam Savage, he's an avid Clickspring viewer from what I gather
Once again i am getting tempted to throw all items stored in the shed out of it, in favour of a clock workshop
Someone with a more random upload schedule than you Nordern!
@@jamesmccann5644 LMAOOOO
@@jamesmccann5644 touche, you win this time comments section!
Are you the Spanish Inquisition, because I did not expect you to be here.
Unless you're the only one with a key to your work shed there's no point cleaning it out. Usually, "Her indoors" sees empty storage space as an incentive to find something to fill it with. :(
I've got a little 1 car garage sized "Man cave" workshop, But it's had literally TONS of junk abandoned in it for years now. I cracked last week and decided I wanted to clear it out and organise it enough to be able to do simple DIY projects and do servicing on the car myself again without having to spend 3 hours digging through stacks of junk to get to everything I needed first. As it was, even if I COULD find the tools I needed, there was no actual free space to do any work in there, and one stray grinding or welding spark could have smouldered in the mountain of avalanched household junk for hours before finally catching light and burning the place to the ground !
I've took 4 full trailer loads of household crap to the recycling centre so far. I've found the welding equipment I haven't been able to get to in an age, I've been reunited with my lathe that had boxes piled all around and on top of it, and unearthed toolboxes I couldn't find when I needed them. I've been busting a gut all week trying to get my workshop into a usable state again, and I'm finally starting to see some progress........ But yesterday I got asked if I thought I'd have it cleared out before next weekend? I asked why it mattered how long it takes me to "Excavate" my workshop (I was expecting to be asked to fix something once my "Man cave" was usable again), But she said that one of her friends is moving house and she needs somewhere to store stuff for a few months !!!!! I said "How does "Not happening" sound?!!" and told her they can pay the £30 a week I had to back when I needed to rent a storage unit. Most of the crap I've already clear out of my workshop is from when one of her other friends moved over 5 friggin' years ago !!!!! I'd told her several times over a year back that I needed it collecting ASAP or I'll have to get rid of it myself, but nothing ever got taken, So I'm feeling that I'm quite justified about finally dumping her abandoned crap....... And now I'm being asked to allow ANOTHER of her friends to do the same?!?!?!
So what you're saying is that a desire to peer-review your findings instead of publishing speculation on RUclips delayed one of my favorite RUclips series by a year? Curse you academic integrity! That's actually fantastic, great job!
Never have we needed to hear those words so badly....g’day, Chris here......!!!!!!
Awesome to have you back! Can't wait!
Can't wait for some more of your work!
As impressive as this is, I think your work on what tools and methods were possible at the time may ultimately prove to be even more informative than how this specific device works.
It’s back, finally!
2020: everyone is tired of a year like this.
In Late 2020: Chris smashes all this with a new episode. Seems to be christmas morning
I've been checking every week or so for a year, this feels so good.
We've missed you
you wouldn't believe how good it is to hear "g'day Chris here"
That soothing aussie lilt; I can hear him grinning with every word. One of the best narrations on youtube.
"In addition, C. B. particularly thanks Clickspring patrons."
Officially thanked patrons in the paper :)
The fact that this project is back and not abandoned made my day! So glad to see the progress made in your absence and it's extra special for me as I come from Greece. Thanks for the amazing work and great videos!
*You have been missed!* 💙
FINALLY I AM COMPETE!
Nice to know..i too feel “complete”🤣
Sir, your word... is incomplete.
@@MuitoDaora Hahaha you are correct! That is pretty funny actually.
I am flabbergasted at the level you and the people around you are operating. You are solving one of the great mysteries of the antiquity and making an immense contribution to our understanding of the world that was before ours. All the best in your research and building!
I literally just opened a 14 year old scotch just cause of this, huzzah to the return of Clickspring
I have to know ..... what brand
@@Man-in-da-shed Glenfiddich bourbon barrel reserve
@@marcg2233 I think I might buddy break out the Glenfiddich 18 for this one
cheers sir.enjoy your drink.
Some monkey shoulder sounds like a great way to celebrate
I just read the PDF. Extraordinarily good work, well done. No wonder there has been a delay in your recreation build.
"After more than a century of investigation..." didn't realise it had been so long. Glad you're back!
Darn, I missed his RUclips videos for the first 98 years. Have them been saved somewhere?
You have no idea how much of a breath of fresh air it is to hear "G'day, Chris here, welcome back to Clickspring."
Great to see you back Chris and resuming this work - much anticipated. This whole thing is amazingly fascinating. I can see just how much work has gone into all the research and the resulting paper.
These videos are some of my favourites in the entire world. Thanks so much for doing this series mate!
I'm not crying, you're crying! He is risen!
ABSOLUTE LEGEND..!, Your work inspires me to pick up a file and start the fabrications for my Telescope, I've put off for fear of failure.
Such an amazing demonstration that study is most often not, "Eureka!" but, "That's odd, lets have a closer look"
As Edison is quoted: Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration. And sometimes this is attributed to Einstein also.
He's back!
Whoa!! So that’s where youve been! Doing revolutionary research before continuing your build! I’m so glad you’re back and the build is back on! This will be so amazing to watch, especially since you actively contributed to this discovery! Much respect!
Cheers!!
No uploads for ages... "G’day Chris here... oh by they way here is a journal article I authored while trying to figure out parts" RUclips doesn't deserve such quality content ahaha
Clickspring has uploaded again.
The world is healing.
Earth: "I need healing!"
Clickspring: "Healing stream engaged!"
Just two days ago I pulled your channel up hoping I just some how missed some uploads. I was sad you hadn't uploaded for some time. And today you make a triumphant return! So glad to have the build series back!
This kind of detailed, careful research and commitment to accuracy is what sets Clickspring apart from most other RUclips channels. Thank you for taking us along on this journey.
I'm a simple man. I see Clickspring notification, I spring to click.
I found this channel while it was on hiatus. So glad theres new vids
This is the single most important thing on the internet this year. I actually had to tell myself to breath when this popped up.
Well, your sudden appearance just proved TOT actually has time machine inside his lathe... Cool.
Oh shit, I just re-watched his motorcycle clutch vid before this popped up.
Thank you for your great work of keeping our planet's timekeeping and clockmaking tradition alive. Without timekeeping and calendars, we wouldn't
have agriculture. I've had a great interest in various systems of timekeeping, especially since learning that our planet goes through cyclic cataclysms every couple thousand years. The ability to carry this information into the future is vital for the continued survival of the human race.
Dec 12, 2020. That was the date set on Tony's time machine...
The plot thickens
Wait for real????? Link?
what no way?!?!?!?!!!
He had to go back to replace the original after he discovered some errors, same errors that caused the time gap, that's why he was missing for more than a year. Luckily he had enough prerecorded clips for his other channel to compensate the paradox.
@@forton615 what's this other channel you speak of?
Hot damn! This is and will be outstanding
I've been here since the beginning... I'll be here until the end!
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I love this channel.
They said it would be years.... I’m glad we could wait
Legend tells that he would one day return. That day is finally here.
Whelp, now I have to go back and rewatch all of the Antikythera videos to get back up to speed. YAY!
He’s back!! I’ve been binging click spring for the last week going through all the great videos. Glad to see you’re finally back chris
Omg this is the turning point of 2020! THE RETURN OF THE KING!!!!
Thank you. Amazing work!
It's finally here!
Merry freakin' Christmas!
This exactly what we all need right now.
THE BUILD SERIES IS BACK ON! WOOOOOOOOO \o/ best news I've had in '21
I realise I'm late to the party and this was published 3 months ago.... I wish youtube would send email notifications again...
Nearly brought tears to my eyes to see my favorite series is back.
This is honestly one of the most thorough build projects that I know off to be fair.
Not only does it showcase some astonishing craftsmanship, but it also highlights the capabilities that once existed so far back in time.
The Antikythera mechanism is a rather complicated device for what is expected of its time.
At times it makes me wonder, what if this type of technology weren't lost.
What if it continued on and how would that have changed the world we live in today?
Considering that some of the mechanical details and general finess showcased in the mechanism is easily a thousand years ahead of its time. Wouldn't have been unrealistic for an industrial revolution to have happened far earlier than it actually did.
Oh man I missed this channel and the incredible workmanship. Can't wait to see the rest of this series.
Who else cried when he said “I’ll see you latah”
I didn't cry. I just got a little smoke in my eyes.
It's just sand, I'm too manly to cry.🥲
Here's the challenge: alternate between watching Wintergatan's Marble Machine builds and Clickspring's Antikythera builds. It's okay to lose your mind.
Wintergaten's build is actually next on my list. right after i catch up on my other subs... only 1800 videos to go! (I'm bad at this.)
Add Tally Ho's rebuild on Sampson Boat Co and This Old Tony and you have my top maker channels.
@@jdwxly I'll have to check put the Samson Boat thing. For chuckles add uncle bumblefu- AvE
Add the Astro Skeleton clock to your list!
@@jdwxly already got them! Acorn to Arabella is another good boat build.
SO HAPPY.
And happy to see all of my other favourite heavyweight channels are just as stoked to have you back in the subscription feed.
Well done Chris. As a PhD candidate myself, I underdtand the process must have been so very very very meticulous.
I am content, the warm glow of this man’s commentary lifts my spirits every time 🤓😁 as does the content.
Welcome back !
I looked at the post time and just got the chills.. I’m going to savor every second this video like the last bit of iced lemonade on a hot summers day.
In such a dim time the people we need the most shows.. thanks for liking my spirits during these trying times.. I'll stay peeled for the next installment!
G'day Chris, we've missed you. Oh how we've missed you.
IT'S TIME FOR "G'DAY, CHRIS HERE"!!!
A wonderful achievement of intellectual and academic integrity. You are a role model for the rest of us, to be sure. Thank you for following it through.
This gives me hope of a Primitive Technology video coming out soon.
Don’t forget salmonella academy
Yeah, where has that slacker been hiding. ;)
I’m Crying of happiness that Chris is back.
Thanks for this video and information Chris. I'm looking forward to your future videos. I hope that all is well in your world.
9:23 "This is an unavoidably speculative discussion, that will likely play out over many years"
So, like 3-4 episodes?
I'm kidding... i hope :)
waddaya think this is? Project Binky?
Thankfully Chris was talking about discussion in the Horological Research community :) He has commented on the Patreon site that, IIRC, there will still be a couple of years worth of regular build videos for the AM. This will be good :)
Pressed like before I even pressed play, not even ashamed to admit it. Welcome back Chris! 👍🏻
You are basically one of the pinnacle channels of my RUclips subscriptions, and I've been watching this series since the start, it doesn't matter to me that it takes the time that it does to create, because it simply is that good.
*IM SO HOPING* i live to see the end of this build project :-D