PORTUGAL'S OLD SCHOOL INTERCITY / CP INTERCIDADES FIRST CLASS REVIEW / PORTUGUESE TRAIN TRIP REPORT
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Hello and welcome to another Portuguese train review on the channel!
So today we will be taking an old school Intercidades / Intercity service in First Class from the major junction station of Entroncamento to Lisbon Santa Apolónia in the city centre of Portugal's capital. I hope you enjoy the ride!
*PLEASE NOTE* At the time of filming all travel was permitted and has been carried out in full compliance with the local restrictions.
Date of Filming: 23/5/21
Camera: GoPro Hero 7 Black
Operator: Comboios de Portugal (CP)
Departure: Lisboa Oriente, Portugal
Arrival: Porto Campanhã, Portugal
Cost: First Class/ Conforto - €10.50 (advance) €17.50 (walk-up)
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Greetings from Salvador, Bahia, Brazil! Nice video as usual, it brought me great memories of my 1st visit to Portugal. My wife, a sister-in-law, her husband and me spent the Christmas of 2016 and 2016-2017 New Year in Lisbon. We did a rail trip from the astonishing Lisbon Gare do Oriente to Évora in a CP Intercidades (1st class) in early January 2017. Three days after we have returned to Lisbon again in a 1st class Intercidades and at the Gare do Oriente we have waited our Intercidades (again in 1st class) heading to Porto. Nice trip! Good photos and filming. A lot of chat with people on board (including the conductor!), bought beers and snacks at the train's bar. We have booked all our seats yet in Brazil several weeks in advance and only had to validate them at Gare do Oriente before going to Évora. All rides were good and for sure travelling by train is much more comfortable and funny than squeezed like sardines in an aircraft. Portugal is a lovely country! In September 2019 my wife, my daughter and me went to Lisbon once more time and we did other train rides close to Lisbon, including a visit to Sintra (via Rossio Station, very beautiful). Thank you for sharing your excellent video! All the best and stay safe!
Ah excellent! Thank you for such a lovely comment 😁
I was in Portugal last week visiting my brother who lives in the Lisbon area. I did the intercidades route from Oriente to Evora whilst there - second class in the other style carriage to the corail one - this was a three car train with one first class and bar coach and two second class ones - hauled by the same type of loco in the video - the 5600. A really comfortable journey and air conditioning working in perfect order. I visited the rail museum as shown at the start of video in Entroncamento last year - a fantastic museum and the staff were really welcoming. Great videos - I enjoy rail travel in continental Europe - a love loco hauled trains especially and of course - high speed.
Excellent! I loved the museum and these coaches ooze style 😎
Another great rail trip report from Portugal! A beautiful country with beautiful cities and impressively great railways this country offers. Besides the Portuguese tarts and its historical times as a famous maritime empire as we mostly know, this country still has so many wonders to see 😍 Significantly, the loco-hauled trains which are much extinct nowadays; replaced by EMUs for most intercity services in Malaysia which for me as the part of my childhood 😞 Thank Goodness. that most European countries are still using it even on normal intercity services as I'm a fan of passenger trains, especially loco-hauled trains which is the original form of a train before EMUs were invented. I really love to see all of your rail trip reports once you upload 😊Keep up the Great Work and Stay safe!
Greetings from Malaysia
Greetings! Yes there are still many loco hauled IC trains over here, and I love them! Thanks for your comment 😙
Really feeling my age with everyone referring to these Corail coaches as 'old' and 'old school' 😮 For my money, a first class Corail seat, whether on SNCF or CP, is unbeatable comfort, right up there with classic German IC trains of the 80s and 90s.
Oh I completely agree, they are old, but also very comfortable 🇵🇹😁
Personally I prefer the comfort of the Sorefame IC coaches, but that might be a personal thing. The Corail seats seem stiffer and less ergonomic to me.
Hi! Thanks for coming to my country! Besides the Douro Line, another must do line is Beira Baixa Line. You go beside the Tagus River and after that the line turns into a mountain line, it's in my opinion the second best line in Portugal! Thanks!
I will definitely check that out next time! I really enjoyed the Douro and Vouga lines 😍
Portugal does have good railways. And that turntable is amazing. Very nice museum.
I know Andrew, I loved it! And Portugal is so diverse and beautiful 🇵🇹
@@NonstopEurotrip Yep ☺️
you managed to record an oddity in this trip: A fast train getting to Oriente on the fast lines. For practical reasons, the fast trains to Oriente on the North line run on the slow lines (the two lines nearest to the river) and local trains run on the fast lines, which are landside.
This enables better punctuality and, literally, saves lives!
Haha oh well, clever me 😂😂😂🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹
Do you reckon that will change with the beltway line quadruplication project IP just announced yesterday? It seems there are three more lines being added to Oriente in the package, in preparation for the high-speed connection to Porto.
@@Mainyehc Honestly I doubt... Santa Apolónia is here to stay, Sintra is much better accessed from the fast lines and the Suburbans on the landside limit the amount of unauthorized shortcutting on the North Line between Sacavem and Alverca, which is gobsmacking (when shortcutting you had to cross the fast lines to access the suburban platforms and that cost the lives of many...)
Is there a practical difference between the lines? Both seem to have platforms at every station and their curve profile seems similar enough that they would enable the same speeds. And you say they save lives; was there a major accident I'm not aware of?
@@Mainyehc I'm wondering how exactly they will fit three more lines in Oriente, but to me it seems more likely that they are meant to serve the Fertagus trains which will likely extend their service from Roma-Areeiro to Oriente when the rest of the Cintura line is quadrupled (which was in the original plans for that contract).
Great video as usual! Those Intercidades trains are probably the best way to travel across Portugal with comfort, speed and a great value for money.
Oh yes for sure 🤗
Now that is a good looking train
Absolutely 😍
Loved watching all those stunning looking steam locomotive at the museum , I personally always find this locomotive impressive and Portugal not only got beautiful looking countryside landscape but also the city of Lisbon too with many magnificent scenery and astonishing looking trams. 17:01 And great video as always!! 😊😊
Thank you my friend 🙏🏻 I too love steam locomotives and Portugal 😎🇵🇹
Done the IC and it's great to see these old Corails still going strong. 2nd class is super comfortable, I'm not sure if I'd consider the upgrade worth it. Great video! :)
Oh the first class is definitely more comfortable Ben come on 😜
Great Video!
Just a small correction, the name "Conforto" for 1st class and "Turistica" to 2nd class only aplies to the "Alfa Pendular" Pendolino trains, in this intercity trains its 1st and 2nd class only.
Keep doing this great videos!
Thank you 🙏🏻
Fact: Before the 5600 electric locomotives started operating on the Intercity service, the locomotive who did the service was the 1900 diesel one, which now operates on cargo only.
lol... nope... it were the nez cassez 2600
Those 2600 locos were abandoned until the end of 2020. They were restored and now do service on inter regional services to Valença. They are electric, not diesel.
I've been on one of them too, the broken noses?
@@MrMatavelhas it depends. Didn’t the 1900s go to the Algarve at one point?
@@NonstopEurotrip yep. Both the 1900s and 2600s are technically “nez-cassé”, as they look very similar, only the traction is different. I believe many 1900s were used by CP Carga (cargo services), but I’m not sure if they were ceded to Medway or Takargo after CP dropped that division. CP definitely has some still in their livery, and you in fact passed two of those at 7:13 and 7:16. They literally look like 2600s, minus the pantographs. ;)
Great video those old trains look pretty comfortable and AC aswell very useful for the hot climate
They are!
The station was named Entroncamento as its was the junction of the two lines Linha do Norte and Linha do Leste. Eventually, around the station a new city to let the railway workers live in was founded... and it was given the name Entroncamento ;-)
All of which was explained in the video...
@@NonstopEurotrip yes I was excited about the thing so I didn't read at first, sorry
Just one thing, these seats aren't reclining, are they? And would you recommend IC 1st class or Alfa 2nd class?
@@Ugo98 They all recline iirc, and to be honest, both are great!
@@NonstopEurotrip alright, thanks a lot :-)
Rail museum is attractive & informative about the growth of railways!!!
Absolutely!
Great video!
Thanks 👍🏻🇵🇹
Les voitures me rappelle les trains corail très bonne vidéo
That's because they are
Esa locomotora es una eurostart esprinter, la matricula en España es 252, más el número de máquina, 054, es la 54 que se compró, más 004 que sería la 4 actualización. Y estas maquinas corren mucho, en España como 240 o 260 km/h, pueden coger, claro es ta, si la vía no aguantan esas marchas, no se puede.
Bonito video.
Gracias. Creo que en España sólo circulan hasta 200kmh también
Great video. I have just subscribed to your channel. Watched already quite a few of your videos. Brings back memories when I travelled by Interrail many, many years ago. Travelling by train is unbeatable 👍
Best wishes from the Scottish Highlands
Thomas
Ah welcome along Thomas! I completely agree with you, train is the best and interrail too 😁🏴
I suppose the comfort of the journey would suit James Bond "shaken not stirred"😂😂 Can we have a review of the little bicycle leg powered inspection trolley from the museum😊😊
Haha! And it wouldn't make a very long trip report 😂
Great video, as usual 👍 Thanks for riding the train in Portugal and showing your experience to the world. Spotted a couple of typos in Portuguese, though.
Yeah probably, I'm sorry for ruining your beautiful language 🇵🇹☺️
Nice review of Intercity trains in Portugal!! Good value for the money. Thanx Max for sharing😀♥️
They're a great option in Scott 🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹
@@NonstopEurotrip Yes!!
Last month I took the CP Tren Celta from Vigo, Galicia, Spain to Oporto. It was an incredible experience!!
I've done this too 😍
Great video! I like the variety of your videos, I think you have one of the largest selections of European countries in terms of videos! I also like these classic loco hauled trains! Try corail coaches is one of the items on my bucket list, so maybe this train is also good option for my future trip in the next year :-D
France or Portugal for you soon then Pete! Thanks, I do try and mix up my content, just wait til I get started on my new videos! 😎😀
Astonish... very cool trip and reliable train.
Absolutely yes 😊
Great video !!
Thanks 👍🏻
Thanks for creating this video. I'm currently riding on the IC train from Porto to Lisbon in Portugal and was wondering if a video was made on this lol!
Have fun!
Fantastic trip... true value for money. Views are added bonus.
Thank you Taranjeet 🙏🏻
You like old coaches, try BDZ Bulgarian railways 2nd hand Deutsch Reichsbahn specials.
Bulgaria next year, definitely!
11:55 You can have this on some Spanish commuter EMUs (446,447,450,451 series)
👍🏻☺️
There is another rail link between Spain and Portugal, the Celta. It runs from Vigo to Porto, and is a very stunning landscape. Also I travelled with the Allan railcar from Entrocamento to Badajoz. I recommend it at 120%
I've done it 😉
Hi,
Apart from the Douro valley train (which in the summer runs a special steam loco service, you DEFINITELY should try!!), my favourite line in Portugal is the scenic Beira-Baixa line, that runs from Lisbon over Entroncamento trough Castelo Branco and Covilhã to Guarda. It has very nice landscapes with wide open horizons... (Takes ~4 1/2 hours. One from Lisbon 8:15 gives you time to lunch in Guarda and return (dep. 14:07) the same day).
Ah - also try the metro in Lisbon and the Cascais-line seafront train - stunning sunsets! Visit Sintra, also reachable by ('normal' commuter train).
Cheers.
I've done all of these except the Baixa line, which I will be sure to do next time! 😀🙏🏻
@@NonstopEurotrip Have you tried the steam /classic experience in the Douro valley?
I know CP sometimes 'cheats' and uses some of their older diesel locomotives (one of your videos are on the regular (scheduled) train, there). But the steam train with the matching cars is s fantastic experience!
Very nice train video.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Thank you 🙏🏻
you,ve missed the most beautiful part of the Porto lisbon route. near espinho where the IC rides the dunes!!
Sorry!
Once CP finally gets their remodeled Arco coaches, bought from Renfe, in service in a few months, you should come here and do a review on those. They are going to be pulled by Alsthom’s “nez-cassé” CP-2600 series locos as regional services while our order of Stadler FLIRT 160s doesn’t arrive, upon which they will be used on IC services and likely be pulled by these 5600s (which also explains their livery decoration, somewhat mimicking its cabin shapes).
There’s already a finished train set being tested around for EM compliance, and the rest are currently being worked on at the same place where CP recovered those stunning Schindler coaches, the Guifões maintenance workshop, near Porto. There was another big one at Entroncamento, and yet another in Campolide, Lisbon, but they clearly weren’t enough to keep the entire system running properly. We can finally breathe a sigh of relief, as the combined output of those three seems to be more than appropriate.
Heh, and I see you tested out the rotary soap grinder. That thing is fun to operate and the soap itself smells oddly great, lemon-y IIRC.
Very interesting! I will definitely be coming back to Portugal, but I do have another 4/5 videos to release from this year's trip first 😀🇵🇹
@@NonstopEurotrip you have to film the new service IR Valença - Figueira da foz with the most beautiful locomotive in the world... CP-2600
@@fredericooliveira-cc2mb I have actually been on it, but didn't film it!
Hi there nice journey very nice train it seems very modern inside as well also nice countryside as well.
Not modern, but still nice 🙂
@@NonstopEurotrip Hi there I am sorry for the delay in reply I am pleased you think it is still nice I sometimes still prefer traditional trains as well.
The 'loco' looks like spanish talgos
There is a Spanish version 👍🏻
Good video!
Can you do a video of the regional or suburban trais of Portugal?
Thanks
I already have a couple filmed, will be edited soon ☺️
That town has that name because the railway, is the major junction of lines and that "obsolete" rail stock is because Entroncamento is also the bigest workshop of the railway
It's a very interesting place! 🙂
@@NonstopEurotrip yes it is and in there in summer have a mini railway line and turists can ride it
Do they have any of the narrow gauge stock in the museum? There's a great video on here somewhere from the 70's with the narrow gauge steam strains that used to run from Trindade station in Porto before it was converted to the Metro.
Love Santa Apolonia station. Have you travelled from Cais do Sodre to Cascais or from the stunning Rossio station to Sintra yet?
There is another museum for narrow gauge trains. It is a small museum located in Serenada do Vouga (in the Vouga line, not far from Aveiro).
I've done both cascais and sinta, superalbs filmed the first and I did the latter, as we were travelling together. There will be a video at some point! I think your narrow gauge question is answered below Mark 👍🏻😁
Ah must have missed that, I did the Vouga line earlier this year too 🇵🇹
I'm sorry. The correct name of the place is Macinhata do Vouga. It belongs to Águeda Municipality.
The loco is moded for the 252 of Spain
👍🏻😀
Awesome 👍👍👍 very nice ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you 🙏🏻
O combate regional Lisboa santa Apolónia e castelo branco só parem todas a partir de Ródão.
😃👍
🙏🏻🇵🇹
@Nonstop Eurotri[p Does your job take you to all of these places, or do you travel for personal?
Well half my 'job' is making these videos now 😁
nice video
Thanks Matthew 👍🏻
I like these videos, but They concentrate on the train ride only. For me, station and landscape are also important. There are more inclusive videos by others.
I have very much tried to pay attention to this in my videos filmed in the last few months 🙏🏻
Hi! Where did you get the map wiht the speeds on 5:45, thank you! By the way, in Intercity you need to make a reservation in order to have a bike space
Openrailwaymap.org
Well im gonna be honest, i dint know our intercity trains outside of the "alfa pendular" could constantly run services at 200km/h. Unfortnely information about portuguese railways its not taht easy to found on the internet 😅
You learn something every day 😂
CP really need to speed up facilities for the disabled. They appear to be way behind the rest of Europe and North America.
They are, but unfortunatelly older trains in Portugal were not made for the disabled... That theme is actually not very old in the country!
Yes, but as the trains are being replaced, accessibility does improve vastly 👍🏻
Also with the refurbishment of these coaches they will be accessible for disabled people.