Juno-106 vs. JX-8P: Basic Sounds-- Is the JX as Powerful as the Juno?? A Friendly Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 24 апр 2019
- Pour a fresh cup of coffee and have a seat on your comfiest wooden barstool, it's time for a friendly comparison between two awesome vintage synths: The Roland Juno-106 and JX-8P.
Both members of the Juno family and both 6-voice DCO analog synthesizers, there's a lot to compare; but we focus on the 106 feature-set and how well the 8P emulates that classic Juno sound.
Let me know what you think about how these two super impressive synths stack up against each other! 
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The JX-8P is one of the best synths. When I play at it, I dive into another world. This world is full of magic and warmth. Can't describe it.
IMHO the 8p is quiter (much more rounded) but as powerful as the 106 in a different way. I have the 8p and, once you have mastered the programming stuff, is the ultimate pad machine 😍
Man, when you started playing chords, oof, emotional overload. Love the presentation.
Thanks so much!! I went into this one pretty blind (like most of my videos) but I really liked the way it all came together! my hands can't play anything but C minor when I don't have time to think about it!
Both are awesome. The 106 sounded like a wild horse with lots of power and the 8P sounded more rounded and "sophisticated" to me, more like the sound I'd expect after polishing a mix. If I had the chance I'd get them both! Loved the vid!!
I had an 8P from 08 til 2012. Sold it because of the menu system/slow envelopes but tbh I'd love to have it again
Listen to this video without watching the images, whenever you hear something that makes you think "nice" it's the JX-8P, whenever you hear something that makes you go "wow!" it's the Juno.
No competition for me. I used to own the JX-8P in the Eighties, I bought it when it was released. I could never make myself like it except for a couple of soundsthat I loved (the Steeldrums was my favourite, I made a lot of different great sounds starting from it). I ended up selling the JX-8P and bought a Matrix-6 instead. Never regretted that desicion. I would love to buy a Juno-106 but I don't have room to fit one into my small studio.
I've had both synths, like both synths. I much prefer the 106 interface, looks, and spiky, simple sound (okay turn the chorus off, most sounds aren't great now, right?).
I also like the 8P, you definitely can do more with it. It has a more refined sound, which can be good, it bad depending what your after.
It has that mid 80s polysynth sound and I love it!
The 8P sounds sadder. When the pads are played 4:54, it seems like the Juno sounds like it is going through tragedy, but it has the strength to overcome, but the 8P will probably not make it through. There is a certain victory in the Juno and a tragedy in the 8P.
well said, 8P will always lack the cut
@@lownrgy I didn't actually mean that the 8P was inferior, just a different sound, which can be used in different moods of songs, I think.
Like seeing life as a comedy vs tragedy. Not better/worse. Just different.
Where I work, I'm sometimes asked by customers "What's the best one?". Because of where I work, there are very few wrong answers, and almost everything is a right answer. I think the same applies to these two keyboards. They both sound great, and for different reasons.
Very nice thank you for sharing. I loved playing the Juno when it was new. Great little synth. I'm a big fan of keyboards with velocity and aftertouch... I also like the sound of the JX-8P a bit better. Would be an easy choice for me now...nice Juno sound at 15:12!!!
the aftertouch on my JX is pretty shoddy at best but the velocity is such a nice feature to have! Im more sentimentally attached to my 106 but I have been consistently blown away by the 8P since picking it up!
On the pulse width modulation on the 8P.....you cannot do true PWM. You can however set both of the oscillators to pulse and have them cross modulate each other. Not the same but sort of in the ballpark...Nice video!
You can do PWM on the 8P but you have to use sync 1 (hard sync) or 2 (cross mod + hard sync). Turn osc 1 mix to 0 (or not) and apply LFO or envelope to pitch on osc 2.
Great video by the way!
both osc also need to be set to pulse I think. then you slightly detune one osc. but we're faking pwm. it really isn't pwm
Hominid Interneticus not sure about pwm via hard sync being “fake”. I believe I discovered it by reading through Gordon Reid’s synth secrets series from sound on sound. He’s very knowledgeable and I certainly can’t argue against him.
@@shermanchow4264 trying this tomorrow
@@MRTUNA Awesome! I hope you find it useful and would love to hear what you think. Or better yet include it in another one of your awesome vids! 8P doesn't get enough love!
@@HominidInterneticus I know it was 2 yrs ago maybe you’ve learnt since but i’m sure people will be watching this video and reading the comments still. Only oscillator two needs to be set to square shape, you are syncing to the frequency of oscillator one, nothing to do with its waveform. just the pitch
I had both and I like the 8p much more. Its envelopes are slow and the filter is a bit "fizzy". But other than that its a much more powerful synth than the Juno 106. From Pads to brass and of course sync Sounds it delivers high quality. The 106 was sounding boring to me, especially without the Chorus, and its functions are very limited. I sold it.
amazing vid thank you! i feel the sub on 106 is fuller and easy slays the jx
Start doing some sounds with a very snappy envelope and the 106 will crush the Jx8-p, which is known for having one of the least snappy envelope generators around.
Very different beast of synths. In the 90:s I owned a Juno 106 and loved it! Very immediate results with just a few sliders.
Besides the lack of pwm for the JX, the demo you did with the stacked oscillators on the 106 was showing a difference in favor of the 106, despite the Jx8p being a 2 osc synth.
Overall, if I had to choose just one as an all-around analog synth, it would be the 106 due to it's snappier envelopes and also some of its better "Bread and butter" sound capabilities (strings sounds especially with the pwm available). Oh, and I love the resonance on the Juno. Great filter!
But the very different Jx8-p (which I haven't owned but tried) is probably a good compliment if you already have one. But then, there are probably other Synths that would be a better choice as a second Synth than the Jx8-p (although you may probably get the Jx8-p cheaper).
I definitely should have spend some more time comparing the envelopes! The JX8P has craaaazy long envelopes for pads and rising or falling sounds though which has been pretty fun.
To me, the JX sounds smoother. It's a bit more buttery where as the Juno has more pepper.
To me they sound very similar but where the 106 shines is in its simplicity and controls. Due to those it ends up with a really great sweet spot. While the JX8p is much more powerful synth, it just suffers from a lousy user interface design. Master the JX8p and you'll be making amazing sounds. I think the JX8p deserves more credit, but the 106 in my book is the better of the two just based on its immediacy. They both have their age issues.. 106 voice chips and JX8p aftertouch issues. I own both and a jx3p but I'm really tempted to pickup a System 8 just for reliability and sell all old ones.
System8 absolutely nails it (and there’s gotta be an 8P around the corner for plug-out) and my JX requires the hammer of Thor to activate aftertouch
The Roland plugins have some pretty big flaws (arcs needed for knob turns iirc, high cpu consumption...the best of the hobbyist freebies are better overall. PG-8X has the general UI of the programmer and sounds legit incredible...and it's free. The best free Juno plugins (aside from TAL) are Win only though, but PG-8X is Mac too. It's all that with a good midi controller.
@@j.du6 I use a lot of hardware synths. BUT that PG-8X has kept me from spending $500.00-$700.00 for a decent 8P. for sometime now. That VST is incredible and sounds 99.5% like the real thing. I cant get myself to buy the real thing. If the GUI looked like Arturia's stuff..the thing could sell for 199.99 easy. For a hardware synth user I can admit that Vst is the best out as far as vintage synth sounds. That and the Sonic Projects OPX. ..just my opinion. have you tried loading Super JX patches into the PG 8X via sysex?
I owned both and I still own JX8P for a reason. It is way better than the 106. Velocity, aftertouch, fat bass, great filters etc. I totally do not understand why the 106 is so hyped and the JX8P ist not.
controls on the unit and those snappy snappy envelopes
The filters on the JX8P and the JX10 are widely acknowledged as not being amongst Roland's best. The lack of PWM and the slow envelopes are other reasons that people give for not being enamoured of the 8P. By now, the aftertouch is no longer working or if it is, is more suited to building muscles in the fingers than it is expressive playing! However, despite all that, I'd still rather have my 8P than a 106.
The 8P has a hifidelity sound to it that the 106 is lacking. But it sounds like there’s more mic bleed when you play the 106 here - it seems to be phasing more.
I dig that igloo!!😆👍🎹🎶
It's been a great spot for me!
I hate to blow u up with messages but I can get over of your sound. You said you are not using the master button on the mx1 on this and it’s just straight in?
Now are we hearing a recording in your DAW or a room or camera mic mixed in?
Cheers. Love it.
thats right- just straight signal from the mx-1 to my computer for recording and then the camera audio is mixed in so you can hear me talk
There is a 3P and a 106 in your SYSTEM 8 with v1.30 firmware. Have any thoughts on its sound in comparison? The 8P sounds more robust than the 106. I tend to believe the 3P does as well.
genX there’s a vid I did a few months ago comparing the 106 and the system-8 106 plugout and it was silly close. I don’t really play the 3P layout (maybe I should switch it with my 106 plug out but I looove some of the patches on the s8 106) but it sounds awwwwwesome too
The 106 definitely has an edge over the 3p. Here is a comparison/demo of the real deal(s): ruclips.net/video/WxeKpN9IV8Y/видео.html
Just listen to the difference when the resonance is turned up on the filter. The 106 kills the Jx3-p there, which just falls over with a reduced volume and bass (The 106 volume stays or get even louder and the bass is controlled).
Just for pure sound (not functions) the Juno 106 is still a great Synth!
26:06 ⚡🧙♂⚡ thank you so much for this! I just got a Juno and this helped me find some great sounds straight away. P.S. ignore all these lame haters in the comment section ... pure jealousy
6:25 most important part of video
Hi Mr T, great comparison!!! as a matter of fact I was strugglin' between purchase a 106 or a cheaper jx8p... and I think the latter coud be a great underrated alternative (obviously with its pg800!!)... May I ask what are the two devices on the juno? Thank you for your videos
one is the Roland VT4 and the other is an Eventide Space!
Thanks a lot!! Have a good evening!
The filter in the 106 is better. However, as an owner of an 8P for over 25 years, I still think the JX-8P is a fatter sounding synth than the Juno-106 when you remove the filter from the equation. The 106 here isn't quite gain-staged properly (it's quieter), but it still sounds a bit more 'thin' than the JX-8P.
Where the JX-8P falls short is it's 'lack' of perceived programmability because without the PG-800 or a similar editor, it's like programming in hexadecimal. That's why until recently (with the rising costs of the Juno-106), the JX-8P has kind of flown underneath the radar. That said, now that the Kiwi and Vecoven mods are available (which add pulsewidth modulation), the JX-8P is a worthy competitor if you're not so fussed about the filter not being as good.
Also, the upside is that the JX-8P's voice chips aren't known to fail and you don't have to spend a decent amount of money getting replacement ones.
The JX-8P is the most affordable path to genuine 80’s Roland Sounds at this point in time. It is certainly no slouch.
What about Alpha Juno?
@@cammellsound5400 Alpha Juno is Cool.
@@gunjabeans Can be had cheaper than JX too....at least for now.
@@cammellsound5400
The Alpha Juno 2 is better than all the jx range of Rolands
and to be honest in my opinion its Roland's 3rd best analogue
poly synth behind the Jupiter's.
The more desirable Juno's are fantastic-sounding but the
Alpha is not to far behind them soundwise just a little
warmer and that's all really.
They are all 1 oscillator synths with a sub but the Alpha has
14 different combined oscillator shapes which includes
PWM on the saw tooth. it also has a better-sounding chorus
which is totally variable and overall it's just a better synth
feature-wise it just doesn't sound as bright.
did you have any effects on it
Anton Zigando No sir
how is your juno chorus so quiet??
might just be the compression on the video... the chorus makes a substantial volume difference when activated
@@MRTUNA im talking about the chorus noise, i hear very little noise from his chorus
Apples and Oranges really, i mean in a mix both of them would do exactly the same job and nobody will notice if its an 8P or a 106.
is it me or your microphone is out of polarity (out of phase) ?
How did you built your studio
it was really serious in the last 3 years but slow collecting for about 8-9 years
Oh cool! Are the walls of your man-bunker lined packed with magic powder!? : }
It's pure cocaine. Either that, or insulation.
The voice audio sounds so weird. Like talking though a tube + a landline phone or something, and super low volume in relation to the synths.
I would take both of them, 106 for the pads, brass and basses and 8P for leads and other special sounds. Or probably both of them for all sounds they can make. Because there is always a factor of human creativity, which can bring up really new uncommon sounds for these synths.
Strings/pads and brass sounds are generally considered to be the JX8P/10's main strengths.
The Juno series never really tempted me (with the HS-60 as a possible exception). I have a JX-8p (the square wave generator on DCO1 hasn’t worked in 16 years predating my comment) and an MKS-70. I’ve also got the programmer. Beyond the snappier envelopes (which could be modded) and the self-oscillating filter (which I don’t need), what do the Juno synths do that a JX w/ programmer can!t do better?
Back in 1996, Perfect Thyroid, my favorite live act from my original stomping ground in the New York Hudson Valley, issued their 3rd album, *Musical Barnacles.* .Late in 2003, I discovered that I could duplicate the sounds from this cut off that album with the JX-8p. I doubt it could be done on the Juno.
ruclips.net/video/jLd8DWgs2_4/видео.htmlsi=So-dQti6tDeC7zSY
During the pandemic lockdown, I recorded a few “throwaway” electronic pieces and uploaded them to this channel under the handle I’m using (Shred the Weapon). This is one of them. I utilized the MKS-70.
ruclips.net/video/ZgZ-BMo7HUU/видео.htmlsi=lysi8uSL4TBCNgEV
Try the Alpha Junos, they have much slower envelopes than the Juno-106
Keeping both. 😂
The 8P was Roland's answer to everything going smoother "digital" at the time, as well as coming up with something new to fill their bottom line. You have to hear the Juno-106 on some mid to low range speakers to be blown away from it's legendary sound that left the 8P out of the annals of aural history. If you have an original Juno 106, never part with it. You can add some of the newer retro Roland releases to compliment it, which was all the 8p ever was in the first place.
Meh. Don't know what you're on about.
IMHO the JX-8P sounds much "better". The 106 sounds like a digital synthesizer who tries to make analog sounds. It's ok, but the JX-8P is my hero. Compare him with a Juno 6/60, not with this 106 dentist's drill …
Technically speaking, they are both partly digital synthesizers.
@@oriomenoni7651 Technically they’re not actually.
They are digitally controlled analog oscillators.
As soon as I see someone use two fingers on one key…
Are you watching this for his keyboard skills?
Thank you MR TUNA. You speak unbiased aural truth!
what's with the sound? I hear a room reverb on synths via microfone? wtf??? it's terrible for compare synthesizers. microphone must be muted ... it would be better if this video were completely without words, it would be more useful. I put LIKE only for the efforts, but please note the wishes)
EuroDJ still figuring out my audio all the time. Always having trouble with my mic - working on fixing it
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106 KICKS 8P ASS!!! IMHO.
And congratulations on not tripping on the barstool. You had at least 20 chances for coffee splashing into your synths. Might wanna move that out of the way next time.
m 10538 I purposefully put that there so it could seem like we were friends enjoying a casual coffee.... but yes I did think about the death it was going to cause
m 10538 (and I’m a 106 guy 110%)
Dude the sound 😅 not a good advert four you.
You’re not wrong! Listening to this now immediately hurts my ears. I think there was a ***lot*** of background noise I was trying to remove and I flubbed it bad
Extremely low Level Sound! Please louder
fix your phase please... a lot of toys and no knowledge...
as you can see I definitely did a lot of research and hours of script writing and technical audio wizardry to make this video. Maybe next time I will be less lazy and cuz out the doubled audio (probably not)
The JX-8P is one of the best synths. When I play at it, I dive into another world. This world is full of magic and warmth. Can't describe it