What is the link between joint hypermobility and anxiety? | Dr Jessica Eccles
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2017
- In this short interview, Dr Jessica Eccles explains her research into the connection between joint hypermobility and anxiety.
People with joint hypermobility are much more likely to suffer from anxiety and enhanced 'fight or flight' responses. Dr Eccles was the first person to connect this knowledge to structural changes in the brain, showing that the amygdala, associated with emotional processing, is larger in people with joint hypermobility. By clarifying the nature of this connection, she hopes to help develop more personalised and effective treatments.
Dr Eccles is a psychiatrist and clinical research training fellow at Brighton and Sussex Medical School.
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Hi- do you any updates on this topic? Thank you
Hi Thaddeus,
You can keep up to date with how Jessica's work is progressing directly through her Twitter account @BendyBrain
twitter.com/BendyBrain She also includes shout-outs to other relevant research and people working in this area, so it's a good one to check out for more information.
You can also see more recent talks and publications from Dr Eccles through the her page on the Brighton and Sussex Medical School website: www.bsms.ac.uk/about/contact-us/staff/dr-jessica-eccles.aspx - such as this recent 30 minute talk vimeo.com/346710898
@@acmedsci I have hypermobile knees how do I strengthen my hypermobile knees
@@camybesterwitch6587 See a physiotherapist. If you experience joint instability and pain from hypermobility it is important to strengthen the surrounding muscles. I have the same issue with my shoulder (subluxation and pain) and have been referred by my doctor for physiotherapy. Hope this helps!
@@elliecain3761 thank you
@@elliecain3761 If you have EDS you have to be extremely careful because physical therapy can actually make it much worse long term. make sure whoever you go to is extremely familiar with hypermobility
I had to hit pause, sit up, yell 'what?!!?' This is a life-changing discovery. As a person with hypermobility, anxiety, and inexplicable tachycardia I thank you for this!
Hypermobile here, with autism and adhd. For me I suspect a lot of the hypermobile anxiety/fight/flight component comes from the fact that our nervous systems are exhausted because it's constantly getting our muscles to do the supporting/stabilizing work that's supposed to be done by our joints. Even when laying down or sleeping our bodies can't fully relax or our skeletons would dislocate all night long, and that 24/7 muscle activation and work exhausts us, so we produce excess adrenaline during the day just to stay awake... which further tenses our muscles and compromises our deep sleep, and round and round we go for years and decades. So yeah, anxious and stressed in every possible sense.
Hello Gergory,
Could i ask you have you were diagnosed with hypermobility? I suspect I might have it aswell as autism and adhd. I struggle badly walking all day at work and I just resigned because It was too tough.
@@performa1 I'm sorry to hear of your struggles. I was initially assessed by a sports physiotherapist, and his assessment was later confirmed by an orthopedist after several visits, with the help of an MRI and extensive medical history. If you suspect you're hypermobile, you probably are, but either way I'm not sure it matters because the most helpful thing you can do is physical therapy, strength training, and postural training. Having strong muscles that know when and how to work together, and knowing how to move in ways that are safe and efficient... this is the only sustainable way out of the cycles of pain and fatigue we get trapped in. I wish you all the best!
My thoughts, precisel, Gregory; my thoughts precisely. That, and, "Ouch."
I want to cry. This makes SO MUCH sense for me and my life experience. My mind is blown.
Same! my poor girls, I’m mortified 😕
I literally said "HOLY CRAP" when she started talking about postural tachycardia syndrome.
Look into the system called “functional patterns” it’ll change your life
Same here. It's like the puzzle just slid together and locked in place. 🤯
Same!
I have hypermobility, fibromyalgia, anxiety, and depression. I've always, ALWAYS thought everything was connected. Thank you for doing this research. I would love to see options for natural healing rather than medications...
if you are on other social media an excellent book is by claire smith its has SO much useful info in there, hypermobility is so so much more than just being bendy. DO checkout HMSA charity on twitter. I learned so much from there.
I have hyperlaxity joint syndrome and my mom has fibromyalgia
Amanda Moore congratulations nobody cares bitch
I have a hypermobile back and have suffered from anxiety and depression, and was diagnosed with OCD about 10 years ago. My suggestion for you is a high-quality, therapeutic magnesium supplement, preferably powdered. I am not a dr or naturopath but I take one (originally prescribed by a naturopath) and it has made an enormous difference to my quality of life.
sxfghsdgf asdfgadsf what is this supplement and where can I get some please?
And some people say it's all in our head.. thank you so much for this
@wulfgar3000 he meant like they made it up or like its just in there imagination
wulfgar3000
Are you serious dude? She meant that people call those with POTS “anxious” or label them with anxiety even when they are calm. You can’t stop your ANS being dysfunctional.
Apparently we can albeit lot of time TMS drs do this and neural tetraing
I mean anxiety is in your head
I cried watching this from beginning to end. You have no idea how much it means to be validated by this kind of research. Thank you so much for all your work.
Kinda feeling this right now.
🥰♥
I’ve been working on researching the nutritional side. I have hEDS and it really affects my life. To anyone reading this, get your Vitamin D and B12 levels tested. Also, take the methylated form of B9. Magnesium and K2 are other important ones to look into.
Are you in the Cusack protocol group yet? Lots of supplements there for EDS.
Also I have a question maybe you could answer? Methylated B vitamins make me feel so tired which is the opposite of what I want. I’ve had to take Seeking Health’s methyl-free. Mind you my MTHFR test said I didn’t have it.
For me the anxiety comes from the fear of doing a physical activity that will lead to another dislocation that will not pop back in place without medical treatment. It's that I don't want to go back to hospital and maybe have to face surgery
Spot on! Exactly the same for me, it’s ruined my boxing career because of the fear of my shoulder popping out.
OMGG I don't have fear or anything but it's there. When I walk my feet will suddenly bend for no absolute reason just by the sole reason of walking and I have a thought that if I don't watch how I walk I might pull off a Stephen Hawking moment
Same here
We're really glad that you find this helpful - we love sharing science that can impact people's lives direct from our researchers.
I'm only a teen. I went to a rheumatologist and apparently all my problems that I have had for so many years were symptoms of hEDS except for the twitching of my muscles. I had so many symptoms like me being flexible, having anxiety and depression for no reason at all, being so hungry and then not being able to eat after 2 bites because I had the sensation of being hungry, being light sensitive, scarring easily, my knees hurting a lot, joints feeling loose, heart beating really fast when I stand up or in the morning, craving salted popcorn and apparently I had a blue tinge in the white part of my eyes. My mom told me that she had noticed they were slightly blue but thought nothing of it. I nearly cried today because I finally knew what was happening. I hope that rheumatologist and any understanding rheumatologist out there wins the lottery at this point
You can have Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS). This is a newly discovered and very common disease that is still unknown to almost all doctors.
MCAS is linked to diseases such as
Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS)
Hypermobil Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (hEDS)
Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS
Post-Lyme syndrome
Irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)
Fibromyalgia syndrome (FMS)
Attention-Deficit / Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)
Autism spectrum disorder (ASD)
Scientific articles NCBI
Mast cell activation disease: An underappreciated cause of neurologic and psychiatric symptoms and diseases
The relationship between mast cell activation syndrome, postural tachycardia syndrome, and Ehlers-Danlos syndrome
Mast cell activation symptoms are prevalent in Long-COVID
Mast Cells, Neuroinflammation and Pain in Fibromyalgia Syndrome
Mast Cells and Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
Mast Cell Activation Syndrome: An Alert to Psychiatrists
This is great iam hypermobile and have anxiety this was very informative thankyou
You're very welcome! Supporting early career biomedical researchers like Dr Eccles and helping people benefit from knowing about their work is a key part of what the Academy of Medical Sciences is here for.
Same
Chloe Webster shame didn’t know it was related until I came across this
mandar kumthekar
She says in the video
I have hypermobile and dwarfism
I am Hypermobile Ehlers Danlos. I never thought of myself as predisposed to anxiety until I nearly bled to death and came down with full-blown POTS. An entire lifestyle of limbic retraining (breath work, walking, yoga, self-hypnosis, etc), fasting, and encouraging acetylcholine have helped me very much.
Did it help with muscle pain I am hypobile and OCD from birth
This is me. I fainted all the time as a child, I am double-jointed, which led me to gymnastics as a child. I am currently in therapy to deal with a lifetime of dissociation, from childhood emotional trauma. And, currently, I am experiencing autoimmune issues, likely related to too much cortisol production over my lifetime. I feel like this makes my inability to deal with my emotional trauma, make more sense, as well as the reaction of my brain to self numb and shut down. I relate to everyone on here, I feel so seen. Keep posting your findings, and thank you for your research.
As a person with both Ehlers Danlos syndrome and C-PTSD I loved this!
This makes so much sense to me! I have hypermobility and anxiety and whenever I go to the doctors I have a very high resting pulse rate! I’m glad to know there is a reason behind it x
The reason is ligaments laxity causes your cervical spine bone ,specifically c1 &c2 to compress your adjuscent nerves and blood vessels like VEGAS nerve ,carotid artery snd vain ,automatically ur sypathetic nervous system fires by saying fight or flight! If this compression continues or worsen the vegus nerve degenerate and interapt the communication between the brain and the body causing DYSAUTONOMIA witch is the root cause of most of chronic diseases, leaky gut, inflammation, gastrointestinal problems, asthma, copd chest pain ,heart arrhythmia, palpitations, vocal problems taste ,smell ,vision, hearings problems, migrain ,stroke psychological and psychiatric problems, extrimity disorder ,hormonal inbalace ,sexual, fertility problems etc .......
@@mohammedabdulkadir2004 CCI is not the cause of most chronic illnesses, and although it is more prevalent among hypermobility disorders, there are many different factors that can play a role in the same symptoms developing. Even neck pain can be caused by something other than CCI in these conditions, such as lack of proper blood flow in the neck and head area or Chiari malformation, which are both more common than CCI to my knowledge. It’s really hard to identify what’s wrong sometimes because a lot of these symptoms are sooo generalized and broad (such as headaches, pain, GI issues, dyautonomia) and can be explained by so many different things. Sometimes, it even ends up being a combination of multiple different factors. I still haven’t been screened for chiari or CCI, so I still can’t rule them out for certain for myself🥲
This makes so much sense! I have EDS, but I have to say that the anxiety I suffer from is even worse than the bodily pain. I am such an emotional person, and I do get panic attacks quite often. Learning how to breathe properly has helped luckily. But I do freak out quite a lot haha
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I discovered my severe anxiety, depression, IBS and hypermobility are connected few years back. I'm yet to find a regime that would work for me. I wish more medical professionals connected the dots and treated us accordingly
I have hEDS and Orthostatic Intolerance and have struggled a lot with my mental health. Thank you for researching this!! Very interesting
I had no idea. I have hypermobility and anxiety (plus dealt with depression for a while). Never thought they could be connected. Thank you for this research
Wow, this makes so much sense! Thank you so much for looking into this.
This is so important, and such a help. Thank you very much.
As one of the affected population, thank you very much for doing and sharing this research.
I have joint hypermobility syndrome including chronic fatigue and malaise. I struggle a lot with anxiety which mostly revolves around fear of having to do more things, because of how horrible needing to do things is due to feeling so ill and exhausted. Like, if my dog throws up I panic that he'll be sick all night or need to be taken to the vet. Everyday problems seem much bigger now I'm so unwell.
Me to with hypomobilty we are prone to sycosomatic pain
How are you now
impressive. Thank you for the support for us sufferers
I thought my anxiety was partly down to all the physical effects of pain due to hypermobility and fear of injury.
im so happy i looked into this, i thought i was absolutely insane.. the fight or flight stuff makes soooo much sense
That's me. Thank you for giving us some light
Thank-you for doing this research (as a hypermobile person with anxiety disorder) and I hope you get all the funding (as a professor/researcher). Great work!!
Amen ! Finally someone who understands ❤️
Oh my god it all makes so much sense!!!! I can’t believe I just now stumbled upon this. I’m definitely bringing up these connections with my doctors!!!
Very interesting, I score highly for JHS and suffered anxiety even as a young child, my daughter the same, all intensified with periods and menopause!
Fascinating. I have joint hypermobility syndrome and anxiety and my young daughter does too. Thank you so much for your research and this video. It is very reassuring to hear. Fingers crossed for further research!
interesting i have eds and pots as does my son who is also autistic we both suffer chronic pain sadly the medical profession still treat us like we are crazy even though its been genetically proven you get accused of being a hypochondriac it took 6 hours having a heart attack for them to believe i was in fact having a heart attack thus causing long term damage more doctors need educating on these conditions
Same here!
It's like we are twins
These conditions clearly cluster, the data is showing it more and more over the years. I also have EDS, POTS, & I’m autistic. I’ve had chronic pain for the vast majority of my life & most doctors tend to treat you like you’re lying or out of your mind when you have these issues. It’s absolutely maddening at times. I’ve learned to essentially treat myself because doctors haven’t been of any hell to me.
What pain does your son have had OCD all.my life pelvic pain muscle pain in shoulder feet armpits everyday.yes medical prossion waste of time
Thank you so much for your research and the excellent presentation of the results. As someone suffering from hypermobility, anxiety and unexplained tachycardia this is extremely valuable knowledge and I hope that your research will lead to progress in personalised medications for all sufferers.
Very insightful. Thank you for this!
This is really nice, I have Joint hyper mobility syndrome, where besides being super flexy I'm also in constant pain no matter the time of day. I'm constantly sub-laxing, almost dislocating but not quite. I have PTSD, depression, anxiety, so having this makes my health feel even worse then it is.
ive just been diagnosed as having hypermobility today and i suffer terribly from anxiety
I am a hypermobility and depression and anxiety. This is very informative and useful thank you Jessica and acmedsci
Thank you so much, this makes so much sense. I was recently diagnosed with Ehlers-Danlos type 3 hyper mobile. When I was woken up for school by my mom back in the day I would go into full panic attacks- I mean I was hysterical and terrified even screaming once sitting/standing up after being woken up. And I did not have any “previous trauma” to cause this. The whole time the reason has been medical, and finally after 15 years now I know why. Thank you❤️
This is a lightbulb moment for me. I have hyper mobility and am going through an awful time with anxiety. This describes exactly how I feel. I feel like I’ve possibly found an answer.
Thank you so much for your work! I am an Ehlers Danlos patient and when I get back to college (medical leave 😅) I want to study psychology and go into a similar practice focus. Very cool to learn about myself in this way. 💙
Thank you so much for your work ❤️
Looking up some exercises for my hypermobile elbows, found this. Panic/anxiety disorder here. The nervous system has such an impact on your health without even realizing.
This is extremely interesting and insightful. It’s always helpful to learn you are not the only person with such symptoms. I will be very interested to know what future treatments results from this research.
I too however have reservations about the medications suggestion but still remain hopeful that a range of alternative treatments can be provided.
On a more positive note I wonder what advantages people who are hyper mobile may have as the condition clearly has implications for the brain as well. This is really exciting research I hope that it continues long into the future and is given the funding and respect it deserves.
As someone who just came back from their first aerials class and told I have hyper mobility, and was diagnosed with social anxiety at 9, this makes soo much sense. I nevef would have thought the two could be linked. This is mind blowing.
Awesome! Thanks for all the great information! ❤️😘🤸
I literally just learnt about the link between hyper mobility and anxiety today after dislocating my shoulder and speaking to the fracture clinic, my legs bend backwards at least 20 degrees and have suffered with anxiety pretty much all my life…answered a lot of internal questions finding out about this.
So good to know! Thank you
Thank you so much for doing this research. Our bodies give us so much anxiety. The unknowns are constant. We only have one body and it has always failed us and never functioned properly. We may never know normal and it feels so chaotic.
This explains a lot. I'm very happy that I've bought scullcap herb tincture. It helps the best with the pain of hms and anxiety
Yes this was spot on. Spent my whole life suffering as I didn’t have a clue and had a lot of mental health diagnosis along with major health issues. At 33 I was diagnosed with POTS hEDS and now suspected MCAS. Please if you are suffering in this way, check out these conditions and your GP if you feel this is you. It can be a bit of a battle in itself because most drs are ignorant to these and many related conditions. But things have come a long way since then and there is a world of support out there. Much love and thanks for this video. God bless
Thank you so much for this
Amazing and very true for me. Thank you.
Yes! More of this. I know my health issues are related to my emotional state/issues. This gives me hope with therapy and healing of my whole self I can heal my physical body as well
My 13 year old daughter was just diagnosed as having HEDS. We are so grateful for finally be getting answers. Thank you so much for this video. She no longer feels alone.
Y’all I have never felt more seen. I have an appointment soon to see if this is truly what’s caused so much pain in my past, I’m so beyond hopeful now.
Wow, found this really interesting! I'm both hypermobile and have anxiety. Would have loved to have been a part of this! Or in future developments.
Wow! everything is making sense now!
hEDS & severe anxiety disorder here. Gave up on psych meds due to paradoxical reactions. Also gave up on docs for hEDS & arthritis b/c they don’t know what EDS is & assume it’s psychosomatic. Thank u for doing research
OMG finally she discovered my struggle due to physical condition Thanks alot to choose a unique field of research i hope you'll find a solution also.
Getting more in medical realms to be more open to learn about hypermobility and EDS would be very good starting point. Because seeking medical help for diagnosis of such conditions is tough especially if Doctors don't believe it exists or don't know anything about such conditions.
This is wildly fascinating. Currently trying to learn more about HSD.
No way this is the most accurate thing ever and i have never connected the two. I am sat here with really sore knees cause my legs are bending backwards and I am so so anxious and im thinking my body is breaking down. Also thinking the hyper aware interoception of every bodily sensation just adds to it as I am hyper aware if my hyper mobility and its impact, temperature change, breathing, tingling, a lump in my throat. Atm i cant sneeze. Then its like health anxiety to the max which i know is just a way of my general anxiety trying to disguise itself as a physical illness. Shit this is revelationary! I am on propanalol and I do find it v useful!
This is incredible!!!! Thank you for your brain work and dedication to helping us! 👏
brilliant video, thank you
Wow! I’m 48 with history of ‘sprains’ some very severe, anxiety, and my heart rate may also fit. As a child I was extremely flexible and would sit on the floor in an ‘odd’ way, I did get sprains but they didn’t affect me the way they do as an adult. Injuries to my ankle, elbow scaphoid, lower back, hip, and knee persist with pain. Examination often results in a comment ‘joint still flexes well’. I’ve had surgery on ankle twice following grade 3 sprains. I’m on medication for chronic pain and also anxiety/depression. Everything has always been dealt with in a singular way, this video really makes me think their linked.
I really found this video helpful, as I have hypermobility, fibromyalgia, GAD, EDD, Autism and a couple other things. And something called complex trauma, I've always said physical and mental health have always been interlinked. So thank you for this video. 😊
everything makes so much sense now
Spot on. Im hyperflexible, have panic disorder, and beta blockers help more than any psychotropic.
brilliant. Before i was diagnsed with Joint hypermobility Syndrome i was prescribed Propanolol beta blockers for anxiety and they work. Interestingly, mindfulness techniques do not as they are not addressing the overpowering stress responce caused by the activated amygdala, flooding my body with stress-related hormones. It's so good to hear a professional address this link
Thank you soooooooooo much for this I have hyper mobility and anxiety
Explains a lot. Thanks 😊
Thank you! This validation means a lot to me! I’ve just started on HRT as my anxiety has become worse in menopause. Hoping it works.
This popped up as a suggestion and I’m really glad I’ve watched it as my 9 year old daughter suffers with anxiety which has been pretty bad lately. She is also hypermobile. I had no idea the two could be linked. Will definitely mention her hypermobility to the doctor next time we go.
Look up ehlers danlos syndrome also
This is most interesting and have hyper mobility and fibromyalgia with constant pain which is often severe. My rheumatologist told me there is a relationship between the two.
I have anxiety and I’m pretty sure I have hyper mobility 👁👄👁 I saw this and clicked so fast
Wow so interesting!! I have anxiety and hypermobility and high heartbeat... thanks for bringing Up this issue
This is fascinating!
Wow, great work.
No way! I have fibromyalgia, hEDS, POTS, anxiety, AND depression (among other things)! I thought it was crazy weird to have all of them but being connected definitely makes sense.
Comorbid
Wonderful and beautiful video, very beautiful and useful. Well done for posting
Finally some answers.
That helped a lot! It's not separate.
It’s like sometimes I can’t even trust my own body. If i don’t pivot the right way my hip feels awful. Sometimes it doesn’t happen but I get this rush of anxiety anyway.
THIS IS ME
The instability of the joints sending constant alarms to the brain that something is wrong and joints are about to fly. Therefore, stabilizing the joints by strengthening the supporting muscles would seem like step 1. Here I have been doing extensive yoga which is increasing mobility. Not good medicine then. This is amazing work and connecting these dots is mind-blowing.
Thank-you.
Crazy how the body and mind connection plays out in different scenarios. I read today that people who suffer from hay fever are also more often anxiety sufferers as well.
I would love a study by you that researches the relationship between vagus instability due to hyper mobility /connective tissue and the impact on anxiety. It has historically believed the conditions such as developmental chemical sensitivity, ME/CFS, POTS starts with an anxious mind vs seeking to see if the loop foundation is a vagus nerve being stimulated or not appropriately due to hypermobility. or connective tissue. Identifying the origins of the loop caused would be critical for appropriate treatment.
i have hypermobile syndrome, it is so easily to get me nervous in my daily life, i have no idea with it, i also have anxiety too. i couldnt slp well in night. I am much more lower energy compare to my friend same age with me. this make sense, hope doctor on duty can watch this video and help more ppl like me
This is so interesting! I was confirmed as having joint hypermobility by a chiropodist very recently after always assuming I was dyspraxic (mother unofficially came to this conclusion when I was a kid, I'm now in my late 30s) and have had anxiety all of my life. Hope the study goes ahead! I'm on an SSRI but would be helpful to know if there was something that would suit me better simply because I'm me!
Very good view.
Time to exercise and calm the nervous system!
I was told today by a chiropractor that I'm hypermobile. I had no idea that anxiety and hypermobility were linked. I have suffered with great anxiety all my life. I occasionally do take Beta- blockers for panic attacks.
This video was really interesting to watch.
I have anxiety/social anxiety and I’ve recently been going to physiotherapy for Hypermobile joints, my back shoulders and pelvis are messed up. This video makes sense and is actually quite informative. 👍🏻
@A c Thank you, I did and it was great. I was given exercises to help to
Are you pain free now
I've been on a beta blocker for a few years now (I have continuous PVCs) and it hasn't stopped my anxiety from developing into panic attacks. I'm on two medications for that now...
I have eds hypermobility and was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder at 11 but wasn’t diagnosed with Eds and POTS until 32. I can’t believe there’s scientific evidence. I still need to get more treatment to deal with the pain. I am happy for any advice!
This is amazing! Do we have any updates on her research?
Makes sense 100%
Amazing video , I was diagnosed with hypermobility by my chiropractor yesterday , As I have been having pains in my upper back on left side and in my left arm and under my armpit going into my chest but that’s more of a dull ache , Iv had 100s of tests on my heart and nothing found so this diagnosis explains a lot , I have also had horrendous anxiety and health anxiety for years since I was 11 I’m 31 now. I have 3 beautiful children and amazing fiancée and family and I’m always petrified of dying and leaving them. But amazing research your doing and will be keeping a close eye on this.
bro the same condition
I've got this everyday so much pain over the years
How are you now
Wow just wow!!!!!
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