Kershaw’s shoulder was falling off at the end of 2023. His FB velocity was down to 88 mph. He had surgery right after. Why is Chris talking like it’s a huge mystery why Kershaw had a bad NLDS? 12:00
You're underplaying how much Kershaw has pitched injured in October. He got shoulder surgery just a few weeks after that meltdown start last year. It's not every year or start of course, but health has been a significant factor in his October stats, if you read The Last of His Kind by Andy McCullough
clayton kershaw has his october demons, but he’s also probably the final nail in the coffin for the old school manager “i keep my starter in” guys. So many postseason starts where Kershaw gave you 6 quality innings (which would be more than incredible nowadays) but mattingku would send him back out, on short rest, at crazy high pitch counts. Saw one stat from 2014 that if he got pulled in the 6th inning against the cardinals he’d have given up 2 runs in 12 innings, instead he gave up 11 in 12.2
Kershaw’s shoulder hasn’t been healthy in six years; that’s a huge reason behind his postseason struggles. Previous to that, he often had good starts that were turned into bad starts because Mattingly or Roberts put him into impossible situations.
Dodger fan here, I’ve watched Kershaw live and seen so many starts. He’s the our generations greatest pitcher , but October is crazy. He just throws pitches down the middle in the fall…still the goat.
He has a lot of good starts as well, it’s just when you’re Always in the playoffs, you are bound to fail. He’s even said that. I hope more people understand that. Plus Verlander has had a lot of playoff failures but I feel like I hear it way less
@@WalkoffGrandslam MadBum on his WS runs was insane. I’ve never seen his pitches move so much, and everything on the black. But it’s not the Post season hall of fame. He won’t be a HOF player.
Kersh is flat-out incredible, especially considering the shoulder injury should have ended his career. My 11-month-old son’s first name is Kershaw. One of the best we’ve ever seen.
Multiple cy youngs, lowest ERA in the live ball era, a no-hitter, a world series ring, and an MVP as a pitcher. Honestly, the only accolade Kersh hasn't done is a perfect game.
Kershaw's K rate has been pretty much the same for the past 6 years -- over a K per inning. That matches his K-rate from the FIRST 6 years of his career. Coming back from surgery this year he was also right around a K per inning, until the last start. He's had ONE start where he didn't strike out a lot. The reason he's a 5 or 6 strikeout-per-game guy now is because he's a 5 or 6 inning pitcher now. The limitation isn't his K-rate, it's his inability to go deep into games anymore.
A lot of Kershaw's postseason numbers are inflated by a horrible bullpen and mismanagement by Don Mattingly. Not to mention, 2017 Astros cheated completely shut them down game 1 at Dodger Stadium, and he got blown up in game 5 in Houston....
What do Kersh’s post season stats look like if you toss out 2017? Let’s face it, everyone had a complex over it but the Houston team knew what pitches were coming. The cheating made it awful for Kersh and that’s where the postseason complex comes from. I mean, it’s just not fair to Kersh to wrap 2017 cheater stats in with his other years
Clayton is one of the greatest pictures in baseball history, and there's really no question about that. And I knew he would not retire after last year's playoff performance. There's no way in hell he was going to end his career like that. He basically had no shoulder left his fastball was in the mid-80s. But the Dodgers rotation was so depleted that he went out there anyways with a destroyed shoulder and gave it all he had.
Casuals should be amazed 17 years dominating , true fan like me acknowledge and truly appreciate this generations best pitcher , y’all praise degrom so much yet kershaw has 1 full run less and more than 1,000 innings than degrom , appreciate greatness !
kershaw has struggled in the postseason at times, there is no doubting that. but to say “he has not had SUCCESS in the postseason, bottom line” is so far from the truth. he’s thrown some absolute gems in the postseason and you can’t just ignore those starts. he was spectacular in 2020, just to bring up one year. no one ever brings up his gems but only ever wants to talk about his blowups. it’s beyond ridiculous. and i know it doesn’t work this way, but if mattingly hadn’t hung him out to dry by letting him go into the 7th when he was well past 100 pitches, or fast approaching 100 pitches, and instead pulled him after 6, we’d all be singing a different tune. bc he’s had some gems turned into clunkers *real* quick.
Kersh needs to be better at protecting his legacy. Be more like Scherzer and not put yourself in situations where you would fail. But he shoulders (no pun intended) the responsibility of the whole team year after year (over usage, injury). Last year he threw with a bum shoulder. Why put yourself in that position? Dodgers were screwed with the rookies and Lance Lynn. We weren’t gonna get out of the NLDS with that crew. Kersh should not have been trotting out there thinking he had to sacrifice for the team.
The Brewers never blow it in the playoffs because they are never a favorite...they aren't even supposed to make it...every year they are projected middle of the Central and they've gotten into the playoffs 6 of 7 years.
Saying that he hasn't had success in October is not really true. He has certainly had bad October performances, but he has had very successful October outings too. I don't think labeling him as unsuccessful in October is a fair characterization. He's been terrible at times, and he's been excellent at others.
2 things can be true… 1) Kershaw is one of the greatest of all time. The numbers DO NOT lie 2) That being said, he is one of the biggest postseason chokers of all time as well, shoulder problems or not
“He has not had success in the postseason, bottom line.” That is objectively not true, and that unintentionally exemplifies what the question is getting at better than the intentional answers. Kershaw absolutely has had a lot of success in those 194 innings of postseason pitching, but he’s failed at a way higher rate than in the regular season, and all that so many people remember are the failures.
Why is kershaw the only great SP who’s postseason track record get talked about the way that it does, he seems to be the only dude with the “but what about October” caveat. No one discusses verlander’e paltry postseason and World Series stats or Greg maddux being a playoff vanishing act despite his regular season dominance. I hate the double standard
Verlander’s WS struggles are well documented, but to say the rest of his postseason stats are paltry isn’t giving him enough credit. He’s 16-6 with a 3.03 ERA and almost 200 strikeouts in the ALDS and ALCS combined.
Chris brought up something that has been bothering me about baseball discourse. Everyone online is just so negative when it comes to talking about players/teams. Its like pulling teeth trying to get people to say anything positive about a player.
tbh i am getting a little sick of the strawman topics/views that go on in this show. Does anyone really think Kershaw is not one of the greatest of all time. maybe im wrong but a bad game or two idgaf when doesn't define a career
Kershaw’s shoulder was falling off at the end of 2023. His FB velocity was down to 88 mph. He had surgery right after. Why is Chris talking like it’s a huge mystery why Kershaw had a bad NLDS? 12:00
Why did the dodgers pitch him if he was such an injured horse you guys have more money than anyone either get him replaced or call someone up
You're underplaying how much Kershaw has pitched injured in October. He got shoulder surgery just a few weeks after that meltdown start last year. It's not every year or start of course, but health has been a significant factor in his October stats, if you read The Last of His Kind by Andy McCullough
Bingo.
Kershaw pitched with an insanely torn up shoulder last year and yet he still threw 90 mph. Shows how much of an absolute DAWG he is.
Also the lack of run support just bad luck all around.
clayton kershaw has his october demons, but he’s also probably the final nail in the coffin for the old school manager “i keep my starter in” guys. So many postseason starts where Kershaw gave you 6 quality innings (which would be more than incredible nowadays) but mattingku would send him back out, on short rest, at crazy high pitch counts. Saw one stat from 2014 that if he got pulled in the 6th inning against the cardinals he’d have given up 2 runs in 12 innings, instead he gave up 11 in 12.2
@@kalluey absolutely. If he gets pulled after 6 tough IP in a lot of these starts, the narrative would be way different.
Kershaw’s shoulder hasn’t been healthy in six years; that’s a huge reason behind his postseason struggles. Previous to that, he often had good starts that were turned into bad starts because Mattingly or Roberts put him into impossible situations.
He’s also got back problems
Cardinals fan here: Kersh is why Waino never won multiple, yet alone any Cy Young awards. Guy is one of the greats. Ever.
Dodger fan here, I’ve watched Kershaw live and seen so many starts. He’s the our generations greatest pitcher , but October is crazy. He just throws pitches down the middle in the fall…still the goat.
He has a lot of good starts as well, it’s just when you’re Always in the playoffs, you are bound to fail. He’s even said that. I hope more people understand that.
Plus Verlander has had a lot of playoff failures but I feel like I hear it way less
People also forget he was pretty dominant against a cheating Astros team in the 2017 postseason
Kershaw wishes he had Mad Bum post season success. Regular season though Kerhaw is top tier but come postseason he turns into hot garbage.
@@WalkoffGrandslam MadBum on his WS runs was insane. I’ve never seen his pitches move so much, and everything on the black. But it’s not the Post season hall of fame. He won’t be a HOF player.
@@SO-if3yn very true
Kersh is flat-out incredible, especially considering the shoulder injury should have ended his career. My 11-month-old son’s first name is Kershaw. One of the best we’ve ever seen.
Multiple cy youngs, lowest ERA in the live ball era, a no-hitter, a world series ring, and an MVP as a pitcher. Honestly, the only accolade Kersh hasn't done is a perfect game.
Blame Hanley Ramirez for Kersh not having a perfect game lmao
@@KeepinItFreshI’ll never forget that 😭
As a twins fan in St Louis I’m so glad I went to see Kershaw and Ohtani in person on Sunday
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Kershaw - first thing that comes to mind - one of the handful of players that are surefire HOF
Kershaw's K rate has been pretty much the same for the past 6 years -- over a K per inning. That matches his K-rate from the FIRST 6 years of his career. Coming back from surgery this year he was also right around a K per inning, until the last start. He's had ONE start where he didn't strike out a lot.
The reason he's a 5 or 6 strikeout-per-game guy now is because he's a 5 or 6 inning pitcher now. The limitation isn't his K-rate, it's his inability to go deep into games anymore.
A lot of Kershaw's postseason numbers are inflated by a horrible bullpen and mismanagement by Don Mattingly. Not to mention, 2017 Astros cheated completely shut them down game 1 at Dodger Stadium, and he got blown up in game 5 in Houston....
What do Kersh’s post season stats look like if you toss out 2017? Let’s face it, everyone had a complex over it but the Houston team knew what pitches were coming. The cheating made it awful for Kersh and that’s where the postseason complex comes from. I mean, it’s just not fair to Kersh to wrap 2017 cheater stats in with his other years
Kershaw--> 17 seasons, 212-94, 2736 innings, 2963 K's, (LIFE TIME ERA 2.48). That's outright ludicrous and other worldly stuff.
I agree with trev about the special event mlb games not being all that interesting because they feel so fake.
Clayton is one of the greatest pictures in baseball history, and there's really no question about that. And I knew he would not retire after last year's playoff performance. There's no way in hell he was going to end his career like that. He basically had no shoulder left his fastball was in the mid-80s. But the Dodgers rotation was so depleted that he went out there anyways with a destroyed shoulder and gave it all he had.
Casuals should be amazed 17 years dominating , true fan like me acknowledge and truly appreciate this generations best pitcher , y’all praise degrom so much yet kershaw has 1 full run less and more than 1,000 innings than degrom , appreciate greatness !
kershaw has struggled in the postseason at times, there is no doubting that. but to say “he has not had SUCCESS in the postseason, bottom line” is so far from the truth. he’s thrown some absolute gems in the postseason and you can’t just ignore those starts. he was spectacular in 2020, just to bring up one year. no one ever brings up his gems but only ever wants to talk about his blowups. it’s beyond ridiculous.
and i know it doesn’t work this way, but if mattingly hadn’t hung him out to dry by letting him go into the 7th when he was well past 100 pitches, or fast approaching 100 pitches, and instead pulled him after 6, we’d all be singing a different tune. bc he’s had some gems turned into clunkers *real* quick.
Trevor's comment on "Manager of the Year" is so mean. Pat Murphy deserves HUGE kudos for what he has accomplished. 👏
Love Trev's random bathroom fixture company hat
Coach of the year is not popular but pretty damn cool to be the guy to win one
Kersh needs to be better at protecting his legacy. Be more like Scherzer and not put yourself in situations where you would fail. But he shoulders (no pun intended) the responsibility of the whole team year after year (over usage, injury). Last year he threw with a bum shoulder. Why put yourself in that position? Dodgers were screwed with the rookies and Lance Lynn. We weren’t gonna get out of the NLDS with that crew. Kersh should not have been trotting out there thinking he had to sacrifice for the team.
Brewers are gonna blow it in the playoffs like always
After they mop the floor with the Dodgers in the NLDS
The Brewers never blow it in the playoffs because they are never a favorite...they aren't even supposed to make it...every year they are projected middle of the Central and they've gotten into the playoffs 6 of 7 years.
For me, baseball was the usual this weekend.. Austin Riley is out for the rest of the season thanks to missed location on a fastball.
Saying that he hasn't had success in October is not really true. He has certainly had bad October performances, but he has had very successful October outings too. I don't think labeling him as unsuccessful in October is a fair characterization. He's been terrible at times, and he's been excellent at others.
2 things can be true…
1) Kershaw is one of the greatest of all time. The numbers DO NOT lie
2) That being said, he is one of the biggest postseason chokers of all time as well, shoulder problems or not
Tigers win the game and then they talk about the Yankees lmao
Kershaw is clearly the greatest pitcher of our generation. For you guys to not see this is awful.
Wish Dominguez played for the Giants in ‘14. Royals could have sent Gordon.
Yall are downplaying the royals having Will Smith going for his 4th straight ring. The dude made a deal w the devil.
I blame Rich Hill for the nickname jerseys going away 😂
Either way I thank him he is shit ahat 50 an still going thank God ❤ I'm 37 dude gives me hope
This isn’t even a debate. Must be slow baseball news.
It was 28-3 in the KC series 😂
“He has not had success in the postseason, bottom line.” That is objectively not true, and that unintentionally exemplifies what the question is getting at better than the intentional answers. Kershaw absolutely has had a lot of success in those 194 innings of postseason pitching, but he’s failed at a way higher rate than in the regular season, and all that so many people remember are the failures.
Why is kershaw the only great SP who’s postseason track record get talked about the way that it does, he seems to be the only dude with the “but what about October” caveat. No one discusses verlander’e paltry postseason and World Series stats or Greg maddux being a playoff vanishing act despite his regular season dominance. I hate the double standard
Verlander’s WS struggles are well documented, but to say the rest of his postseason stats are paltry isn’t giving him enough credit. He’s 16-6 with a 3.03 ERA and almost 200 strikeouts in the ALDS and ALCS combined.
No love for Michael Harris on players weekend gear.
Pushed thru injuries and his offenses thru the yrs were ass.2 mangers that road him to the ground. .king kersh goated
Chris brought up something that has been bothering me about baseball discourse. Everyone online is just so negative when it comes to talking about players/teams. Its like pulling teeth trying to get people to say anything positive about a player.
Come on now Trevor
tbh i am getting a little sick of the strawman topics/views that go on in this show. Does anyone really think Kershaw is not one of the greatest of all time. maybe im wrong but a bad game or two idgaf when doesn't define a career
Trev is a hater lol
They fucked the little league classic because I didn't know it was happening until after the walk-off
trevor, do you not like to shake hands as an example of good sportsmanship to little leaguers, as a big leaguer, you are nothing without fans
the word play on this channel is starting to be annoying.
Never compare the brewers to those shitty ass guardians again
Plouffe sticking to his KC hate. I wouldn't expect anything less.
Kershaw is overrated