Variations on Gras Cavalry Carbines & Conversions from Ethiopia
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While I was at InterOrdnance unpacking French rifles, I took the opportunity to pull out a couple different examples of Gras Cavalry Carbines to show the differences between original French production examples and Belgian commercial conversions. What we will see today are how to recognize:
- French Mle 1874 and Mle 1866-74 Gras cavalry carbines
- French Gras infantry rifles cut down to cavalry carbine configuration
- French Gras rifles cut down and put into cavalry carbine stocks
- French Gras carbines put into cut-down infantry rifle stocks
- Totally weird oddballs
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“The Ethiopians evidently really hated rear sights and took them off quite regularly.”
Warfare in Africa is truly unbelievable.
They probably couldn't turn them to a high enough power and just said "Fuck it, turn it to 11"
Believe they still think it’s magic
It's rather unsightly
@@wormisgod "Patina"
It used to be a Spanish habit too.
You can just hear the joy in Ian's voice when he talks about French guns
I expect nothing less from a self-professed Francophile 😁
Who cares how many of us are interested in the topic of the video, as long as it interests YOU.
Me.
SAY IT LOUDER, FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!
Exactly. If he enjoys making the video, we will enjoy watching it.
It does interest me
Doesnt work that way. If the silent majority doesnt watch, less engagement and money
I not only watched all of the way through, I watched it a second time with my 66/74 carbine and my 74 rifle on my lap to see some of the differences. Apparently mine have never been to Ethiopia.
Great video!
While this video is of little practical use to me (I don't collect these), I want to say that I still really enjoy your dedication to your work in making sure there is a resource video out there for anyone who might need this for collection purposes. I also do enjoy the history on these weapons a lot. Thank you for all the hard work you put into this wonderful channel 😁
Ditto
Same. It goes right back to the original purpose of Forgotten Weapons. Preserving the information and creating a visual record of these pieces of history that may otherwise be lost outside dedicated museum or national armory file cabinets.
Is this information I have any practical use for? Not at all, but it was still educational and having it in the archives is worthwhile.
I can imagine a gunssmith receiving a truckload of random parts and being asked to create guns for Ethiopia out of that lot... and then receiving another and another...
Boss: "We need a new gun."
Engineer:
Boss: "It's for Ethiopia."
Engineer:
It'd be worse than Elbonia.
@dwightdhansen we dont need the made-up land of elbonia. Ethiopia is the real like elbonia
Ian would Know every Part? what where and why, with WHO
I wish I had anything in my life that made me feel the way Ian feels about Ethiopian conversions
The closest thing I can think of is my Jack Russell terrier.
Oh yeah, extremely specific videos about distinguishing nuances in a particular model of firearm. I love these 👍
This is just very interesting, Ethiopia has some incredible weapons history ❤
What who isn’t excited by a Gras video and even better a Gras Carbine !
This was a great topic very interesting and informative. I personally find videos on the lives these old things have gone through way more interesting than some new 6 thousand dollar modern bench rifle. Thank you for bringing us the forgotten ones!!
Gather information when available you never know when you might need it. Thanks Ian!
I love videos that are just pure DATA. It's like an excel spreadsheet but in a video! The archival nature of your videos is one of my favorite things about your channel. It's like a museum!
Just screaming out for a Bloke, Chap and Ian deep dive 😍
In this spin off episode of 'Forgotten Weapons: Ian's Quest to video catalog the French Armory' - We see our protaganist pull off a genius move that his future self will certainly be thankful for. For those of you who wondered what happened to all of the Gras we saw in Episode 27, BUCKLE UP BABY, WOO!
It's actually one of my favorite things to watch your videos and see these small pieces of the puzzle be shown. If I can connect the dots on various trial guns or calibers or an armory, it's a neat feature that is rare to see.
This is the good stuff
Yeah sure… much better than a Mauser.
@@Jdaminbf4 I ment the video of old stuff in detail.
I'm still listening!! Your voice is one of the best for learning by hearing. I have been watching you for 5 years, almost and I love it, I can't get enough of it. Keep goining Ian teach us the way of the forgotten firearms
Love it ian keep up the work. Your the one who inspired my intrest in firearms and military history.
On ne passe pas!
At least Ian understands no body is interested in the minor variations of the Gras. Most of us just like watching him explain interesting things regardless of the specific content.
Never a dull moment with you Ian. Always find your videos most interesting and often as in this case I learn something I was never aware of previously.
I know appeasing the algorithm is the name of the game here on YT but it hardly needs to be stated that obscure firearms minutiae is the the bread and butter of why I love this channel in the first place. Not to mention many times the interesting history is burried in such details; a tangible touchstone of what once was through the lense of military procurement.
Awesome. Thanks Ian
Man the stock on the infantry conversion is truly impressively worn. The amount of action that gun has seen is unimaginable
Thanks Ian!
Hi. From one of the three people!
As a side note, I have one of the Gras Artillery Musketoons. The smallest variant. I can categorically and unequivocally say that it’s the most painful rifle I’ve ever shot. The small size and configuration just makes it really uncomfortable. For anyone wondering what it feels like, take a broken three inch diameter tree branch, hold it like a rifle and have your mate belt the other end as hard as they can with a sledge hammer.
Thank You for your Work.
Happy New Year
Thanks Ian for explaining the different variations of this rifle.
Can't wait for the video on that absolutely *stunner* of a DeLonghi MAGNIFICA ESAM 3200.s back there! Maybe even take it out to the range?
I love these kind of videos Ian
Another very good episode as usual.
Great video, Ian, very informative!
Always interesting! Thanks
Thank You for getting this just at the right moment.❤
All great info! Time not wasted! Thank you.
I love the way Ian said it would probably interest " about three " viewers . Ian You are seriously underrating Yourself & Your channel so far at least 5.2K viewers Like what Your showing us . Thanks Ian keep up the good work .Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well.
thank you
I'd never by one of these, but seeing the minor and major differences in a models and its conversions/ modifications is always educational.
Yea it's really cool that Ian has become so well known now that companies will let him document stuff like this before it's spread to the wind. It no doubt helps them sell their guns more easily, but it also makes it way easier for collectors to find (out) what they want, what they have, and who has it, when you find these guns at auction in a collection in the future or on a C&R for sale site. Ian is doing everyone a great service by providing all this info, and it's awesome that he's managed to carve out such a career for himself that pays the bills, because there's nothing else quite like it anywhere else in the world.
Interesting content, thanks for being such a wellspring of firearms history.
Ian,
I used to think that having a rifle and a shotgun was all I would ever need. Then I deployed to parts of the world that were quite unfriendly, so when I got home I bought a pistol in .40cal, because everyone was packing 9mm and I'm just a little contrary.. that lasted several years, and then I found Forgotten Weapons..... Now I have a collection. And there is a whisper in the wind "Chassepot...."
It's only a matter of time before you're wearing a beret and desperately shopping for 8mm Lebel ammo.
@@TheRogueWolf😂😂
Ha! I wore a beret for 9 years with the AF Security Forces - and carried an Italian pistol (M9) 😉 .... But, if you know of a source for 11mm for my 1873 revolver, drop me a line 🤠
Great rabbit hole. I was still awake.
Glad to be one of the 3!
These videos are why I watch this channel.
Loved this insight and history of a rifle I'm not very familiar with. Great to see so much diversity of weapons. Cheers Ian!
Good video.
Well I'm interested.
The bayonets for these rifles are very interesting too I have a few
Gun Jesus on Gallic Oddballs. Great start to another Forgotten Weapons Year!
Imagine the amount of action those Chassepot conversions have seen.
Cavalry charges at the Battle of Sedan in 1870, etc., not to mention their extended service in Ethiopia.
Great job, Ian. Trying to gather those variations a year from now might be impossible (or expensive). Firearms development is an integral part of human history.
10k views in 3hrs.
We love you Ian.
Hey Ian. In from SA! Love your program!
Dear Ian, it not need to be useful, is enough to be interesting. Look at me, I cannot and I will not buy any firearm, but the way you explain how they work and what are the differences between the different types is excellent. So I enjoyed a lot! Thank you.
a great very interesting video and French rifles Mr.GJ.happy the Orthodox Christmas Mr.GJ.have a good one.
I loved it.
I love the random pile of Lugers in the background.
Glad you made this video! I was wondering why mine were different… I got three from RTI. Now I know!
I definitely watched the entire video, thanks!
Nice to see another guest appearance by the InterOrdnance coffee machine.
I would think Hollywood would want the Gras Cavalry Carbines for distance shots. That thing could sub in as about 50 different rifles. It just has those bare bones that look a little like a lot of other guns we've all seen in a background shot in a period movie.
I am unsure it is economical to buy surplus at the prices it commands today as opposed to just making props. Especially with 3d printing allowing for easy masters from an off the shelf 3d model to make molds from and just crank out as many as you want.
@@Primarch359 You might be right, I was just thinking of all the guns that could be seen in the Sharpe's Rifles TV searers by watching background troops
I doubt anyone will complain about Ian fangirling about french rifles.
Your wrong
Lots of Myrtle the turtle on tube
I enjoyed it! I had a Chassepot bayonet for decades and finally sold it just in time for these to become available…
Im not really into French rifles but I love to watch Ian talk about them...
This video is exactly what the Forgotten Weapons site is all about to me.
Interesting. I'll have to take a look at the Gras I inherited more now. Mines a bit different since it seems to have rebarrelled / bored out to 12ga
Awesome!!
Woo!
I may not be a Gras officianado but dear god I love learning about the niche nuances of variations in firearms beyond what most people are willing to dig into, so make that 4 people. Take us all the way down to the bottom of the iceburg!
Seriously. So much gun info available to us is barely under the surface even though the folks producing it have the best intentions. Your willingness, and enthusiasm for, getting deep down into that niche info for so many firearm topics that's otherwise "that one guy you know who is weirdly obsessed with this one specific thing and has knowledge of it that borders on arcane forbidden lore" is really insightful and meaningful. If not for your work, I would probably never have become interested in firearms at all, never-mind all of the history and craft outside of the usual 1941-onwards american/german/british. So, thank you.
Ian. If you’re excited, I’m excited.
I'd love to have a go
Great Video Ian 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥thank you
Ian, I have no interest in these rifles, but I still enjoyed learning about them.
It is always interesting to see what modifications some firearms go through during their life.
So, there are now at least 4 of us that watched this to the end.
I was one of the three that made it to the end. By "four winds of the market" I assume Ian means his basement.
I don’t care much about the topic, but I’m still gunna watch it cuz it’s Ian and he cares, and always makes it interesting.
Greece in total bought from Steyr (according to Stey's official records) 128.000 Gras 1874 rifles from 1877 till 1886, (22 March 1886 was the last recorded order for 1.000 rifles). The bayonets for the Greek order are marked "Waffenfabrik Steyr" and the year of manufacture. Greece have bought supplementary quantities of Gras rifles w/bayonets from France, this being the reason to find Greek alteration bayonets with various French makers inscriptions. There are also coversions with the inscription "Usine de Steyr". In use with supporting units of Greek Army until 1941 and the Battle of Crete.
Woooh! He's pandering to ME! This feels amazing.
I've no interest in collecting any kind of firearm, but it's fascinating to see the journeys some of these weapons have taken to end up in front of your camera. This was great!
The Ethiopian cache: the gift that keeps on giving.
I thought this video was great! I am teaching myself 3D modelling and would like to apply it to subjects like weapons. Seeing this variation of an seemingly standard rifle is fantastic. Small variations in parts and components will help to create a more realistic scene.
Three guys and Ian....... worth a video.
That was really interesting. Many collectors should be wanting an example or several of these historic pieces. Its not all about nazi machine guns. 😂THANKS 👍🏼
"This will be of interest to all 3 of you."
Did the French gun nerd just call me a French gun nerd? 11/10 love it.
Love videos like this one Ian, I’m sure the 3 was at least 300,000!
I'm with you, Ian. 1of the 3. Curious that I've never pulled nothing bigger than a.pellet-gun ( although some versions can be hyper-deadly ) . Still, I find your expertise and presentation skills fascinating. Big ups , to you and yours, at the start of this young year !
I'm still watching and likely will never touch one of these guns. But I love the history.
I'm in awe that someone could identify a Gendarme specific carbine from 150 years ago after all those modifications.
Wow 150 years old, they have seen so much history!
I will never own one, but absolutely love the information.
Thanks Ian. Think of all the variations that you can do with a M16 receiver.
It IS called forgotten weapons, yes?
Way more than 3 people interested, Ian!
Car-beans vs Car-bines, the eternal shitpost battle 🔫
Well whatever…Potayto/ TomAHto 😅
Carabiin. ;)
Aluminium! Mouhahahahahaha!
I watch even when I’m not interested in the specific firearm. Why not? It’s Gun Jesus. He deserves my ears and eyes for all the other crazy years of content. FREE CONTENT
I am GRAScios that you showed us these beautiful examples.
I thought it was an awesome video. I'm gonna look for one to add to my slightly growing collection.
The Four Winds of the market is an interesting way to describe Your gun safe
Lose interest? No way. I have never heard of many of the guns you have videos of. I find it fascinating.
Great video, i really enjoy the odd ball history and i know thats what im going to get when i see "Ethiopian" in the title
Thanks. Now I want a rifle with cursive letters.
I like watching for the little history lessons, even if I don't have that much interest in the firearms themselves.
Frickin early gang. Lets go