Imagine baking two people alive and barely even getting a slap on the wrist for it. It's disgusting how easy it is for companies to get away with things like this
@@Novastar.SaberCombatWhat is power worth if you don't even have a heart? NOTHING! Not even wisdom is worth something if its not combined with true love ! Gods word the Bible says about this topic: If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a clanging gong or a clashing cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and understand all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my belongings to feed others, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I do not benefit at all. 4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous. It does not brag, does not get puffed up, 5 does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. 6 It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails. (1.Corinthians 13: 1) And Jesus said about this topic: And one of them, versed in the Law, tested Jesus by asking: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.” (Matthew 22: 35) 🙂📖♥️
You can't cure stupid.... Who goes into an oven knowing it was recently shut off without checking internal temperature? There was negligence but it wasn't exactly the owner.
Because human lives is not matter just like flies, so insignificant. Go outside maybe and don't read or watch too much disney because all those fairy tales are full of shit. A madmen out there slaughtering people under army of his command and they're not subject for mass murderer.
So much negligence. The oven not shut off, the temp gauge. No emergency stop or reversal? An 8inch gap at the end? These men were killed by complete idiocy. RIP. This is so insanely sad and a horrible way to die.
@@GaZonk100Fire me because I wont crawl into a hot oven I'd fucking sue the company. They wanted them to crawl in there without checking the temperature? With no way out? Thats a law suit you'd win.
You’ve never had a job then. Most jobs will fire you for saying no and go luck finding a lawyer that will help you make anything off lost wages. You’ll be fucked.
@@assrammington7961Yes your so completely right, being unemployed and tight on money is way way way worse than being DEAD.... PERMANENTLY GONE . Can't make shit as a pile of bones and ashes, smfh
Well no you can. A former job I had worked has giant tunnel ovens… with doors!! You can open them, and place a lock, to prevent them from closing. A door every single 6ft or so along the entire length. Also if the oven was actually cooled and LOCKED OUT, there isn’t much inherently unsafe about entering an oven.
There is a reason why some technicians say regulations are "written in blood." This was a completely preventable tragedy if the planners actually took the time to call in the manufacturers.
@@trevgauntletneu_gaming I think they probably knew how to do it properly but it would have taken longer, you'd need to partially disassemble the machine. Only taking a few covers off, sure, but still.
it costs money to do that much cheaper 87.5% of the time to risk the life of an employee, it will only cost you 20K quid and you can go on running your company like nothing happened.
I get that the safety guys are to blame for this, but why stop there? the two guys getting in the oven without checking the heat gauge or the exit clearance are clearly retarded as well
I am a health and safety manager, and I take no end of abuse for trying to stop this kind of thing happening. I am told I am a killjoy and too black and white, I will not stop trying though, imagining how these poor men must have felt in their final moments😢 I never want this kind of incident to happen if I can help prevent it, my condolences to their families
Such a weird mentality to have mixed in with (irrelevant) machismo to prove you can work under any conditions. Typically this is the behavior from older men that either been in a company for too long and try to influence newer or younger individuals to do the same shady practices they do.
I’ve worked for countless companies that don’t give a hoot about safety until someone gets hurt. I remember one job where one of our machines was missing a guardrail. I refused to work until it was resolved. I did not want my arm getting pulled in. You wouldn’t believe how angry managers will get with you when you stand your ground. They shook their heads and could not believe how I was acting, as though I was demanding a back rub or something. They reluctantly found a guardrail and had it put on, complaining the whole time. I felt like my days were numbered after that. I ended up quitting. Fortunately, that was probably the most dangerous factory situation I ever found myself in.
Good job. I have also left a factory job because of a lack of safety culture. Someone got injured loading product into a packaging machine, I was the process engineer for it. I didn't ask anyone I took the machine down straight away and stopped the line. Everyone looked at me like I had three heads. Instead of taking the machine down the factory manager wanted to continue running it while we investigated what went wrong. I had to use legal liability as an argument to take the machine down because the obvious inherent safety risk wasn't in itself a concern for management. I couldn't believe I had to fight for this. They figured the operator screwed up when they dislocated their thumb. Anyway I convinced them to take it down, then called an external EHS consultant to carry out an independent risk assessment on the machine, and handed in my notice immediately. When the consultant visited I made sure I was there to make sure his suggested improvements weren't whitewashed, I got them into the record. The machine needed additional guarding, which it got. I got a job managing an engineering department last year and I made sure that promoting a world class safety culture was number one on my list of objectives, regardless of what anyone else says. I never want to experience the feeling of someone getting hurt on my equipment again. Luckily I'm in a company now that supports an attitude like this rather than suppressing it.
@@gishathosaurus6828 not sure if you’re joking or not, but for me it was more fear driven than anything else. I didn’t want my arm getting pulled into the machine. No courage here lol
I'll never forget hearing my uncle who used to work in a glass bottle factory tell me about machines. He said you have to treat them the ultimate respect, as they have absolutely none for you if you get in their way. That always stuck with me.
I work in a warehouse There’s some machines that fall under “do not wear gloves while operating this machine” Every now and then there’s a case of Someone wore gloves, the machine caught the glove, machine took part of the hand with it Some people have ended up with dislocated fingers and needed stitches. Some people have lost fingers.
As an engineer from 1976, machines will maim or kill if you don't obey safety rules, they tend to target the ''does not apply to me brigade'' Luckily I retired with all my bits by obeying the rules and would refuse to do anything if it meant breaking them. Gaz UK Ps I was threatened with the sack on several occasions but called their bluff by saying ''do it yourself, I will go to the pub and get another job tomorrow''😎
The shop teacher showing us his two finger stubs back in high school really drove in the point for me to be careful around equipment and machinery in general...
I remember this at the time. Those men died horrifically. If I remember correctly, the last radio message was not because they had passed out as you might hope. It was the radios malfunctioning due to the heat. Those who sent the men in got away with murder. The company got away with a slap on the wrist. Think about it. Not one single employee there said "Hang on, is this safe?"
Yeah and those fans were blowing the hot air further inside so inside the machine it would be even hotter. Crazy they went in there without checking the temperature gauge.
@@GaZonk100 Yup, it dropped from 350F to 212F in just 2 hours, that's a pretty rapid cool down for an oven of this size in only 2 hours, sadly they needed another 3-4 hours to get it to a safe temperature.
I work in the food industry as a quality manager but even I would have said hell no to something like this. We have fryers that operate at 200ºC with oil in them if someone suggested we turn them off for 2 hours and sending someone inside I'd be phoning the HSE and the police. Pure negligence and no consequences UK justice is broken
Speaking from experience, it’s not easy to say “no, I won’t do this” in the workplace, and addressing your safety concerns, even to this day. I’ve witnessed countless situations where people have done stupid/dangerous shit, just because they would be deemed as good employees. And the few occasions I’ve said “no” to something, I was always met with comments such as “don’t be a pussy” and “what kind of a man are you?”. Health and safety is very often the last thing on anybody’s mind in the workplace, so incidents such as these don’t surprise me in the least.
My boss said to me, “what’s the problem? Are you afraid to get dirty?” Referring to climbing under a molten lead solder reservoir to repair burned heater wires.
Very true, even in today's world with more emphasis placed on H&S. This happened in 1998. I remember working back then and the culture was vastly different.
Also here in Canada we have mandatory lock out procedures..were the machine is powered off at main breaker and a red padlock is locked on it so there is no power to said machine under maintenance
Just the idea of asking me to crawl on a conveyor belt, ride into and through an oven for 17 min will send me to the employment office. Are you crazy? Rest in Peace sirs.
Having worked in a similar type of bread factory in another city, not too far from Leicester, I find it absolutely horrific that this happened. Those ovens are SO hot, even just stood near them. It's preposterous that no checks were carried out before this idiotic action was ordered.
A most horrific story, an oven of this size and capacity needs at least 24+ hours to cool down before even contemplating entering the unit. It's clear that the company's main concern was production and financial gain, had this not been the case, they would have contacted the ovens manufacturer to either do the required grid retrieval or in the very least ask about cool down time needs. The fines incurred by the company are beyond laughable and like a smack in the face to the victims partners and families.
The owner didn’t make the call to fix it “in house”. Being an owner doesn’t make you guilty of others actions. That’s like blaming the owner of a car maker for a drunk driver accident.
Sorry but being rich doesn't make someone evil automatically. Stop simplyfing the world. Many owners do not even manage the business and live from yields. Even if they did, production is only one side of the business. There are many areas to focus such as sales, marketing, distribution, etc. Managing owners cannot know every detail of the business. In this case, the people in charge of the plant and safety clearly did several commissions which the owner may have not even known.
i feel so horribly for their families...can you imagine being the mother or father of these men and knowing they died in this way? what a horrible shame
@@Novastar.SaberCombat Yes, unfortunately it seems to mostly be the cockroaches and snakes that manage to slither themselves up to management positions.
I remember this incident, I had just started working as engineer. I always made sure that risk assessments had been carried out on sites. It was definitely a wake up call for many workers. Trust nobody and always do checks yourself, if it doesn't feel right don't just go ahead blindly. Ultimately it's your life on the line.
The company didn't want to pay the manufacturers to fix it and it didn't give a sh*t about their lives. Remember, your employer doesn't giver a d*mn about your life.
@cogitoergospud1 yes I know- if you read my comment I said what were they thinking SENDING them in- I'm talking about the idiots who made the plan, not the poor guys who went in
This is one of the most horrific cases of negligence ever to have happened. I'd heard of this case on another RUclips channel, so was not an easy watch for me. The two men who died in this tragedy suffered horrendously. What makes it even worse, is that the three managers who were found guilty, not only avoided prison, but avoided paying the fines they had put upon them. Utterly shocking and heartbreaking 😥
It's unimaginably the pain they experienced. It's way way more painful than having your eyės gougėd out while you are conscious, for example. It's just so so unimaginably.
The wealthy and influential never suffer any negative consequences for anything. That's what being rich is all about, suckahz! 😂 "If you ain't rich, then you ain't sheet." --J.P.
What's crazy to me is how every common sense issue was completely ignored. I can't even comprehend why these men thought this was a good idea to begin with, but who doesn't check the temperature gauge or make sure there was plenty of clearance for these men to even get out of the oven safely and easily? I'm claustrophobic so just the thought of attempting something like this makes my sick to my stomach. Really a sad situation that NEVER should have happened if they had thoroughly thought it through.
The average person is incredibly short sighted, complacent and lazy when it comes to health and safety until something happens - for example I am forever having to unblock fire escapes and fire containment shutters at work due to people leaving equipment in the way, etc. and remind people but couple of weeks later they are back to blocking them up again. Few people take any personal responsibility when it comes to this stuff unless forced to.
Well, they worked at a factory. Not saying everyone who works those types of jobs lacks smarts or wits, but maybe they weren't the most thoughtful, sharp, or logical ppl in the world.
The head guy who was killed was a 20+ yr maintenance engineer for the company. Not a rookie. All parties involved are at fault here on numerous levels.
Holy crap. One of the worst deaths I have ever heard of besides the man who was cooked to death at the Bumblebee Tuna factory. There are no words. Rest in peace.
Darren Rainey's death in prison is up there as well. Rainey had schizophrenia and was serving a sentence for drug possession when he got locked in a hot shower by a prison guard and was very slowly burned to death.
I’m in the US and I knew about this story. It’s horrific. Those men should have gotten long prison sentences. Two men died in the most painful way. The men should have been tried as murderers.
The wealthy, powerful, connected, and corrupt never suffer consequences for their actions. Just look at Chump; it's the perfect example, obviously. 60+ years of heinous crimes, and he's never served a MINUTE in prison. 💪😎✌️ Now THAT is power, baby. Invulnerability at the highest level imaginable. God-tier status!
People in the comments act as if a manager grabbed the two men by the neck and forcefully threw them into a running oven. But that's not what happened. They were entering on their own accord without assessing the situation properly. One of them even was a senior engineer and very experienced with these ovens who should have known better. They both were largely responsible for their own fate. I mean would *YOU* enter such an oven without asking "Hey what's the temperature inside right now?" or "How am I going to exit once I go inside?" So please explain to me why anybody should have been charged with murder if they died to their own stupidity? (And while it may sound rude, there really is no other word to describe this MINDBOGGLING act of negligence on their part)
@@akinaz8957 it's the manager job to keep this from happening,they shouldn't be allowed inside the machine in the first place, the fact that they were allowed there and that the proper team wasn't called it's what makes the manager liable for murder, they order them to enter the machine too btw, arrest those people for murder and factory will start taking worker safety very very seriously
Wait, so essentially the oven was too small for the two men to even get out the other side??? My anxiety and claustrophobia just kept 📈📈📈📈 watching this.
It’s unclear how big the oven was, except it was big enough for someone to go in it. But yes, besides the oven being too hot, the wouldn’t be able to get out because the hole at the other end of the conveyor was too small for anyone to fit through it.
Didn't bother checking the heat gauge to see the oven was too hot, and didn't even bother to check that the exit from the oven was large enough to facilitate them getting out. The amount of negligence is staggering.
Is It not possible to have some safety exits Included In their oven? Just In case? Sure they may scold their hands exiting. but at least they would've survived the Incident.
There was a similar death at a cigarette manufacturing plant in my town years ago. A worker was cleaning a large industrial dryer used to process tobacco and climbed inside. While she was cleaning, another worker dumped a load of tobacco into the dryer - several hundred pounds - and turned it on, not realizing that someone was inside. They didn't find her until the shift was over.
@@Jake.Gentry Tobacco used in cigarettes has to have a specific water content or it won't burn properly. They dry it to a specific humidity in giant machines not unlike a home clothes dryer.
This is an absolutely horrendous story but what I can’t understand is why would the two grown men climb into the oven without making absolutely sure that it’s safe to do so ? Like you are a maintenance man working in a bred factory and you climb into a commercial oven without checking the temperature gage ?! Not to mention the exit was too narrow to get out of the oven?!
Yeah that makes no sense to me either. These men both had worked there a while. You would think that they would know about the size of the opening and that there was a temperature gauge. I’m not blaming them but I’m surprised.
@@thug588 *"you dont become a factory worker if you use your brain to think"* It doesn't take much of a brain to _not_ jump off a cliff just because someone tells you to.
David was my uncle. He was a lovely human being. David’s loss absolutely devastated our family. And it contributed to the death of my father less than 11 months later. He couldn’t live without his beloved brother. It’s 26 years later but it will never not hurt to hear how David suffered, worse still knowing that everyone got away with it. There was no justice for my nana and grandad or David’s brothers and sisters.
There probably was some kind of full shut off mode that kept the machine opened and conveyor off for safe internal maintenance, they likely didn't know how to activate it and preferred to save a buck by not going to the manufacturer.
If the conveyor belt took 17 mins to traverse the length of the oven then surely it must have being going at a snail's pace. So why couldn't the men have simply turned around and crawled back out the way they came?
@reddwarfer999 From what I understand, they were inbetween a bunch of grids that normally held the bread, which is why they had to keep crawling at the same speed as the belt, or be crushed. Still could've escaped alive if someone had stopped the conveyer dead and removed one of the side plates that allow access to the interior....but no one did.
I remember reading a report about 10 years ago about another man called Alan Catterall, who suffered this exact fate while repairing an industrial oven at a factory that manufactured canoes and kayaks. The oven door was closed while he was still working on it, automatically restarting the oven. To make matters even worse for his family, it turned out that the one that unknowingly closed the door with him still inside was engaged to his eldest daughter. I sincerely hope that the couple got help to cope with what happened and it didn't damage their marriage irreparably. RIP Alan, David and Ian.
Or the one where a young worker went into a paper pulp shredder-essentially a giant blender? Someone had removed or tampered with the safety interlocks. No need to describe what happened.
They put a fan at the entrance thinking that would cool a massive industrial oven, didn’t check to see that the exit was only 8 inches wide, and never bothered to look at the thermometer that was right on the oven. This is beyond crazy
The level of incompetence is off the charts. They didn't even check the exit to see how they would get out. When you completely ignore dangers like this, you seriously need to check whether you have a death wish.
“Two men were sent into the oven, unbeknownst to the absolutely horrific events that lay ahead”. You should have said “unaware of” instead of “unbeknownst to”. Using the latter means that the horrific events didn’t know anything about the men, which makes no sense.
The incident is so stupid from all parts involved that it's hard to imagine it really happened. Going inside this oven looked more like a dead wish than anything else.
Not sure I totally understand their logic. If the opening on the other side of the conveyer was only 8", how were they expected to get out? Even with a cool oven.
A modern day Brazen Bull. The fact that Dennis sent two men in and refusing to go in himself means he knew at the very least that it was dangerous. He was not only a coward, but inept and unspeakably sinister, too.
Back then, there were numerous accidents. I worked for a company where a young man was tragically crushed to death by a machine. There had been other fatalities at that same workplace before my time. At another job I recently left, a worker was killed because health and safety were disregarded, and people followed orders out of fear of losing their jobs.
This family would have received millions in the US, not to mention that the company would be no longer, and those men responsible would have been imprisoned. No justice was served, and no accountability. So tragic and horrific
Anybody willing to actually get inside of this oven without checking out most of those things themselves is just as responsible as the owners and operators who sent them in. I would happily lose my job before I would crawl into an oven without making sure it was safe
This is what happens when your society is operated by large multinational companies instead of companies that stay within borders and have owners who share the same culture with the people who work for them and the people who they sell to. They don't care if you die on the job, because they can always import people from abroad who are desperate enough and don't share any kinship.
The man had 20 years of experience with oven maintenance, and didn't do any pre inspections, this doesn't excuse anything or how they must of suffered and how there family still suffer, my condolences to everyone involved ❤
I've worked in one of these industrial bakeries, and I wish I could say: "I'm shocked." But the truth is that the place where I worked (different company), is exactly the same. Safeties disabled, cause they made the oven shut down too much. For example a safety that shuts down the machine when a metal bar is pushed down (in case someone falls in), disabled by blocking the bar in place with a piece of wood or metal. Other safeties have been disconnected altogether. Machines that are so old they're nearly falling apart, but the keep getting patched up, over and over again, disabling safeties if they threw an alarm because of the fix. Absolutely crazy what some companies will do for profit. If you take into account that the average profit margin on a bread is 11 or 15 cents in such factories, they have to produce a lot of bread to make profit. But doing so and neglecting all safety standards... abhorrent.
Horrific! My husband worked in a cheese factory and a young man was working the night shift and got pulled into a machine with an auger, absolutely horrible death, the management wanted the machine ‘up and running again asap’ so sad that human lives are worthless 😢
My father worked in management at a meat plant years ago. One of the workers on the line accidentally stabbed himself with a knife while cutting. The big bosses refused to shut down the line while the man was gurneyed out. My dad quit on the spot. Went through depression after that because he had to take a very low paying menial job.
They only care about getting their profit-making machines running again. I've read so many cases of workers dying because lazy incompetent managers don't bother even checking the most elementary safety procedures but they are all concerned when a machine breaks down and their bonuses might be under threat. They should have went to jail. RIP David and Ian.
So horrific! Those poor men, and their families 😢 My brother got his arm caught and twisted in a machine at work and there was no emergency shut off button, luckily someone came and stopped the machine in time. My brother still ended up with a compound fracture requiring screws and plates and many skin grafts. He lost 30% use of his arm. He was only 21 at the time so it was pretty devastating. Obviously nothing as awful as what these poor men and their families went through, but machinery can be so dangerous and workers should not be put in dangerous positions like this as things can go very wrong
I had a coworker lose her finger because she caught her hair,which was supposed to be tied up,in our conveyer belt.There was no emergency shutoff on that . But we now do have emergency switches on all of the machines because of her accident. She was found to be partly at fault and the company was fined too. And they are a stickler about employees watching all the safety videos.
In aviation we say that there is always a chain of events that lead up to an accident. Break one of the links in the chain and the accident doesn't happen. This is why we train in Crew Resource Management, where we are not afraid to tell each other about minor mistakes. It has to be done reasonably and I've found that keeping a relaxed environment in the cockpit is the best way to bring out the willingness to point out and correct mistakes before they turn into an accident. There hasn't been a catastrophic airliner crash in the United States since November 12, 2001.
What the absolute hell is this? They couldn’t even get out when the work was done because the exit was only 8” tall. I can’t believe anyone ever thought this was a good idea.
So horrific. I couldn't imagine how much fear the men must have went through while in the oven. The charges were not enough. All 3 guilty men should have been sentenced to prison time.
I have crawled into dead-end (4" output gap) belt ovens before, for heating billets to forge rather than baking bread. No procedure for it so personal experience, knowledge and the ability to say "I'm not doing it until I think it's safe" come into play. Needless to say you don't know what you don't know, and relying on those factors alone to determine your safety often leads to disaster, especially the last one. Letting a manager that WON'T be doing the job push you into performing unsafe work is far too common for my taste.
I'm all-but convinced those bosses just pulled of a murder plot. There's no way they could be THAT stupid. That all they got was fines, that they didn't even end up paying, is disgusting
That's ridiculous and just diminishes the tragedy of what they went through. There's no need to invent a murder plot; people are routinely that cavalier with other people's lives.
Something I’ve never done is compromise my own safety due to pressure from management. It’s an oven. I would have very much checked the temperature myself before going in and would have said no - it needs to be cooled for X amount of hours, tough! Businesses really need to change. This kind of stuff really does happen in so many places.
I've worked on industrial baking ovens over 100 feet long with a conveyor system. I've worked on them hot, but we would never think about riding the conveyor. Anything we did the gas, the electric, and the air were all locked out. And anything we did hot was with us on the outside reaching through a cover wearing heavy welding gloves.
Genuinely subscribed because you wrapped at the end that this isn’t an Ai channel. The human teller of this story is important to acknowledge and appreciate
I can't see how anyone can be this dumb. I'm convinced that their boss hated them. If there was only an 8 inch gap at the end, that means nobody had been through before. Why then?
I haven't seen the actual machine, but there is no way in the world I would crawl into a confined space like that. I would be disassembling it in order to gain access. No matter how hard that was.
The fact that NO ONE questioned if this was a good idea is infuriating. I had a manager suggest I'd have to climb into our trash shoot to unjam our trash compactor (not my doing, but I had to deal with it) and I flat out told her she was crazy and I would NOT be climbing in to it and we could just call the company that collected the bins or SHE could climb in. She opted to just call the collection company and lecture the younger employees again about how boxes needed to be broken down before disposal. But needless to say that manager didn't like me because I didn't put up with her BS.
So instead of shutting down 10 hours before & lose 10 hours of production, they now lost however many days of production now for the investigation. NICE........
@@melissagreen_oh they have a long game, it's called screwing over almost everyone on the way to hopefully and eventually having enough to save their own azzz.
In case you ever think your employer has a successful business because they must know what they're doing really well... You've be wrong more often than you think.
Having worked on the railway I have seen people take risks - Even though they know it's wrong . When the holes in the cheese line up then it's game over. A very sad story.
Recurring quote of this channel: “the (blank) was closed down, and an investigation was launched” I watch a lot of disaster and freak accident videos and one thing I really noticed is some countries’ justice systems are just laughable. The three men in this case didn’t even have to pay their little slap on the wrist fines? God save the queen.
Imagine baking two people alive and barely even getting a slap on the wrist for it. It's disgusting how easy it is for companies to get away with things like this
@@Novastar.SaberCombatWhat is power worth if you don't even have a heart? NOTHING! Not even wisdom is worth something if its not combined with true love !
Gods word the Bible says about this topic:
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a clanging gong or a clashing cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and understand all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my belongings to feed others, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I do not benefit at all. 4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous. It does not brag, does not get puffed up, 5 does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. 6 It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails. (1.Corinthians 13: 1)
And Jesus said about this topic:
And one of them, versed in the Law, tested Jesus by asking: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.” (Matthew 22: 35)
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You can't cure stupid.... Who goes into an oven knowing it was recently shut off without checking internal temperature? There was negligence but it wasn't exactly the owner.
Because human lives is not matter just like flies, so insignificant. Go outside maybe and don't read or watch too much disney because all those fairy tales are full of shit. A madmen out there slaughtering people under army of his command and they're not subject for mass murderer.
@Novastar.SaberCombat you're not invincible kiddo. You watch too many movies
@rayromano6249 when youre rich in america, yeah you are!
So much negligence. The oven not shut off, the temp gauge. No emergency stop or reversal? An 8inch gap at the end? These men were killed by complete idiocy. RIP. This is so insanely sad and a horrible way to die.
Yeah, and all that happened afterwards were a few fines. Ridiculous.
@@_Shadoh_ Which the people didn't pay and the companies just used their insurance AFAIK. The biggest financial hit to them was the shut down.
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All that stuff costs money and cuts into profits and executive bonuses. Workers are expendable. Profits are not. Money over human life.
@@sunnystormy4973
Definitely
I would rather lose my job and be homeless than crawl into an oven, even with today's safety standards.
that's likely what would have happened if they'd refused and that prospect is unthinkable - and very close to most people
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I feel ya man. A horrific death like this is a far worse fate than losing my job
@@GaZonk100Fire me because I wont crawl into a hot oven I'd fucking sue the company.
They wanted them to crawl in there without checking the temperature?
With no way out?
Thats a law suit you'd win.
@@stevepalpatine2828 you be surprised at the risks you will willingly take to not taste poverty
Morale of the story, never give a fuck about your job. Say no if you see risk. Your employer doesn't care about you or your family.
You’ve never had a job then. Most jobs will fire you for saying no and go luck finding a lawyer that will help you make anything off lost wages. You’ll be fucked.
@@assrammington7961Only in the US. In Europe the government supports workers rights and unions are also very strong there
@@assrammington7961 Where the h*ll do you live with such 19th century (1800's) treatment of workers??
@@assrammington7961tell me you haven't worked a day in your life without telling me.
@@assrammington7961Yes your so completely right, being unemployed and tight on money is way way way worse than being DEAD.... PERMANENTLY GONE . Can't make shit as a pile of bones and ashes, smfh
Note to self. Never enter a giant oven.
Well no you can. A former job I had worked has giant tunnel ovens… with doors!! You can open them, and place a lock, to prevent them from closing. A door every single 6ft or so along the entire length. Also if the oven was actually cooled and LOCKED OUT, there isn’t much inherently unsafe about entering an oven.
@@aquaprofile Not doing it.
@@funjunk2835 lol no one will make you, unlike the disaster shown in this video.
@@aquaprofilewell you don’t have the average brain. Just like most people wouldn’t work on electric power lines on the streets
did you come up with that all by yourself... good boy
Most extreme example of “your employer gives zero fucks about you”
Is it ever , Christ! And the families didn't even get any settlement?
But also, how dumb are you if you actually climb into an oven without checking anything
"We will have your replacement in before the undertakers take you away"
-ikr ... !-
Usually how it is
So even if the oven was cool, they’d be stuck? What was the logic here? No one took one step back and went… oh wait…
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This! Smdh
That's what I was thinking, too! 😑
Unbelievable
Kinda SUS...
There is a reason why some technicians say regulations are "written in blood." This was a completely preventable tragedy if the planners actually took the time to call in the manufacturers.
I am a heavy highway carpenter. You speak the truth .I hear it and have seen it in my 27 + yrs in construction
i dont think any regulations would have helped here, the people involved clearly were not concerned about any of them.
@@trevgauntletneu_gaming I think they probably knew how to do it properly but it would have taken longer, you'd need to partially disassemble the machine. Only taking a few covers off, sure, but still.
it costs money to do that much cheaper 87.5% of the time to risk the life of an employee, it will only cost you 20K quid and you can go on running your company like nothing happened.
I get that the safety guys are to blame for this, but why stop there? the two guys getting in the oven without checking the heat gauge or the exit clearance are clearly retarded as well
I am a health and safety manager, and I take no end of abuse for trying to stop this kind of thing happening. I am told I am a killjoy and too black and white, I will not stop trying though, imagining how these poor men must have felt in their final moments😢 I never want this kind of incident to happen if I can help prevent it, my condolences to their families
Such a weird mentality to have mixed in with (irrelevant) machismo to prove you can work under any conditions. Typically this is the behavior from older men that either been in a company for too long and try to influence newer or younger individuals to do the same shady practices they do.
Thank you for the work that you do! You are saving lives and you deserve respect 💯 ❤
I agree @voiddata
I’ve worked for countless companies that don’t give a hoot about safety until someone gets hurt. I remember one job where one of our machines was missing a guardrail. I refused to work until it was resolved. I did not want my arm getting pulled in. You wouldn’t believe how angry managers will get with you when you stand your ground. They shook their heads and could not believe how I was acting, as though I was demanding a back rub or something. They reluctantly found a guardrail and had it put on, complaining the whole time. I felt like my days were numbered after that. I ended up quitting. Fortunately, that was probably the most dangerous factory situation I ever found myself in.
What city is this?
Good job. I have also left a factory job because of a lack of safety culture. Someone got injured loading product into a packaging machine, I was the process engineer for it. I didn't ask anyone I took the machine down straight away and stopped the line. Everyone looked at me like I had three heads. Instead of taking the machine down the factory manager wanted to continue running it while we investigated what went wrong. I had to use legal liability as an argument to take the machine down because the obvious inherent safety risk wasn't in itself a concern for management. I couldn't believe I had to fight for this. They figured the operator screwed up when they dislocated their thumb. Anyway I convinced them to take it down, then called an external EHS consultant to carry out an independent risk assessment on the machine, and handed in my notice immediately. When the consultant visited I made sure I was there to make sure his suggested improvements weren't whitewashed, I got them into the record. The machine needed additional guarding, which it got. I got a job managing an engineering department last year and I made sure that promoting a world class safety culture was number one on my list of objectives, regardless of what anyone else says. I never want to experience the feeling of someone getting hurt on my equipment again. Luckily I'm in a company now that supports an attitude like this rather than suppressing it.
If only those poor workers would have had half of your courage and dignity, they would still be alive this day
@@gishathosaurus6828 not sure if you’re joking or not, but for me it was more fear driven than anything else. I didn’t want my arm getting pulled into the machine. No courage here lol
@@Bucketmanhead You did have courage though, courage to stand up for yourself
I'll never forget hearing my uncle who used to work in a glass bottle factory tell me about machines. He said you have to treat them the ultimate respect, as they have absolutely none for you if you get in their way. That always stuck with me.
Remove all jewelries as well, necklaces, chains, rings, bracelets.
-absolutely ... !-
I work in a warehouse
There’s some machines that fall under “do not wear gloves while operating this machine”
Every now and then there’s a case of
Someone wore gloves, the machine caught the glove, machine took part of the hand with it
Some people have ended up with dislocated fingers and needed stitches. Some people have lost fingers.
As an engineer from 1976, machines will maim or kill if you don't obey safety rules, they tend to target the ''does not apply to me brigade''
Luckily I retired with all my bits by obeying the rules and would refuse to do anything if it meant breaking them.
Gaz UK
Ps I was threatened with the sack on several occasions but called their bluff by saying ''do it yourself, I will go to the pub and get another job tomorrow''😎
The shop teacher showing us his two finger stubs back in high school really drove in the point for me to be careful around equipment and machinery in general...
I remember this at the time. Those men died horrifically. If I remember correctly, the last radio message was not because they had passed out as you might hope. It was the radios malfunctioning due to the heat.
Those who sent the men in got away with murder. The company got away with a slap on the wrist. Think about it. Not one single employee there said "Hang on, is this safe?"
the didnt get away with it. they got a £3000 fine!
It also wasn't murder, it was manslaughter.
So the one man that died was a “safety officer”? Am I missing something here?
@@bradsteelguy9140 Yes you are. The safety officer was not killed.
@@easterworshipper5579Please tell me that this was just a joke! 🤦♂️😪
Burning alive has got to be among the most horrific ways one could die.
-ikr ... !-
As bad as the bronze bull is, freezing is worse.
@uverpro3598 burning to death or freezing are equally horrible.
Being raped to death in prison by 4 big black guys?
@@uverpro3598 why is it worse?
One thing stuck out to me here was: They put fans in to cool it down faster, so they did know how hot it was.
Yeah and those fans were blowing the hot air further inside so inside the machine it would be even hotter.
Crazy they went in there without checking the temperature gauge.
yes, and they put fans on to hasten the cooling process which was achieved
Knowing something is hot, is not the same as knowing how hot.
@@GaZonk100 Yup, it dropped from 350F to 212F in just 2 hours, that's a pretty rapid cool down for an oven of this size in only 2 hours, sadly they needed another 3-4 hours to get it to a safe temperature.
They thought a couple of fans could compensate for an Industrial Oven that ran ALL NIGHT
I work in the food industry as a quality manager but even I would have said hell no to something like this. We have fryers that operate at 200ºC with oil in them if someone suggested we turn them off for 2 hours and sending someone inside I'd be phoning the HSE and the police. Pure negligence and no consequences UK justice is broken
The wealthy *always* win. 💪😎✌️ Always. If you ain't rich, then you ain't sheet.
Hell, I'd be phoning even the media! Even after 3 days of them turned off! Call the proper technician!
There were consequences ...
Speaking from experience, it’s not easy to say “no, I won’t do this” in the workplace, and addressing your safety concerns, even to this day. I’ve witnessed countless situations where people have done stupid/dangerous shit, just because they would be deemed as good employees. And the few occasions I’ve said “no” to something, I was always met with comments such as “don’t be a pussy” and “what kind of a man are you?”. Health and safety is very often the last thing on anybody’s mind in the workplace, so incidents such as these don’t surprise me in the least.
Sadly i couldn´t agree more!
And saying no can often lead to a person being shunned as well, because "you're making peoples day harder or take longer."
My boss said to me, “what’s the problem? Are you afraid to get dirty?” Referring to climbing under a molten lead solder reservoir to repair burned heater wires.
So everyone elses opinion is more important than tour life...
Very true, even in today's world with more emphasis placed on H&S. This happened in 1998. I remember working back then and the culture was vastly different.
Even if the oven had been cooled down, it should have been realized before entering that there was no way out, with only an eight inch exit point.
Yeah..can you imagine what would have happened then?
@@thaismatsumoto crushed, not able to breath, panic leading to asphyxation
@@thaismatsumotothey could have become bread.
Also here in Canada we have mandatory lock out procedures..were the machine is powered off at main breaker and a red padlock is locked on it so there is no power to said machine under maintenance
@@karlfritz47 same in uk, lockable isolator switches, one keyholder.
Health and Safety Officer and Chief Engineer, Dennis Masters, ordered the men to enter the oven. How he avoided culpability is mind boggling. 🤯
You can't order people to do anything.
As someone who has worked on H&S it’s absolutely unbelievable that there was no custodial sentence and the fines were so low!!!
Just the idea of asking me to crawl on a conveyor belt, ride into and through an oven for 17 min will send me to the employment office. Are you crazy?
Rest in Peace sirs.
Having worked in a similar type of bread factory in another city, not too far from Leicester, I find it absolutely horrific that this happened. Those ovens are SO hot, even just stood near them. It's preposterous that no checks were carried out before this idiotic action was ordered.
A most horrific story, an oven of this size and capacity needs at least 24+ hours to cool down before even contemplating entering the unit. It's clear that the company's main concern was production and financial gain, had this not been the case, they would have contacted the ovens manufacturer to either do the required grid retrieval or in the very least ask about cool down time needs.
The fines incurred by the company are beyond laughable and like a smack in the face to the victims partners and families.
@vapete1237 It's all about production for profit to these companies, no matter the human cost. Totally disgusting.
The victims did not have partners they had wives
Lives are cheaper than machines.
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@@randylahey1232wives are partners
It always amazes me how owners are never found guilty. That is a horrible way to die. RIP
The owners should be jailed for this together with the person responsible for safety at the plant.
They probably went to the same college as the judge and the prosecutor.
-exactly ... !-
~ rest in paradise ~ 😔 🕯
The owner didn’t make the call to fix it “in house”. Being an owner doesn’t make you guilty of others actions. That’s like blaming the owner of a car maker for a drunk driver accident.
Sorry but being rich doesn't make someone evil automatically. Stop simplyfing the world.
Many owners do not even manage the business and live from yields. Even if they did, production is only one side of the business. There are many areas to focus such as sales, marketing, distribution, etc. Managing owners cannot know every detail of the business.
In this case, the people in charge of the plant and safety clearly did several commissions which the owner may have not even known.
This is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard, everything from the management here is obscenely unacceptable.
Geniuses abound. Humanity is one heck of an intellectually superior species when compared to cockroaches and snakes and sheet like that.
i feel so horribly for their families...can you imagine being the mother or father of these men and knowing they died in this way? what a horrible shame
@@Novastar.SaberCombat Yes, unfortunately it seems to mostly be the cockroaches and snakes that manage to slither themselves up to management positions.
I remember this incident, I had just started working as engineer. I always made sure that risk assessments had been carried out on sites. It was definitely a wake up call for many workers. Trust nobody and always do checks yourself, if it doesn't feel right don't just go ahead blindly. Ultimately it's your life on the line.
just because someone is in a position above you.......................does not mean they are not dimwits
What the hell were they thinking, sending them in like that???
The company didn't want to pay the manufacturers to fix it and it didn't give a sh*t about their lives. Remember, your employer doesn't giver a d*mn about your life.
UK equivalent of $$$$$
Gotta make that bread
Uhm, the men went in, so obviously so they weren’t thinking any better or worse than whoever came up with the plan.
@cogitoergospud1 yes I know- if you read my comment I said what were they thinking SENDING them in- I'm talking about the idiots who made the plan, not the poor guys who went in
This is one of the most horrific cases of negligence ever to have happened. I'd heard of this case on another RUclips channel, so was not an easy watch for me. The two men who died in this tragedy suffered horrendously. What makes it even worse, is that the three managers who were found guilty, not only avoided prison, but avoided paying the fines they had put upon them. Utterly shocking and heartbreaking 😥
It's unimaginably the pain they experienced. It's way way more painful than having your eyės gougėd out while you are conscious, for example. It's just so so unimaginably.
-horrible .. horrific ..-
-heartbreaking ... !-
Not shocking, it is disgusting
The wealthy and influential never suffer any negative consequences for anything. That's what being rich is all about, suckahz! 😂
"If you ain't rich, then you ain't sheet." --J.P.
@@Novastar.SaberCombat And you seem to be okay with that ... *?*
What's crazy to me is how every common sense issue was completely ignored. I can't even comprehend why these men thought this was a good idea to begin with, but who doesn't check the temperature gauge or make sure there was plenty of clearance for these men to even get out of the oven safely and easily? I'm claustrophobic so just the thought of attempting something like this makes my sick to my stomach. Really a sad situation that NEVER should have happened if they had thoroughly thought it through.
I have a feeling it was checked, but those men were told to go in anyway.
The average person is incredibly short sighted, complacent and lazy when it comes to health and safety until something happens - for example I am forever having to unblock fire escapes and fire containment shutters at work due to people leaving equipment in the way, etc. and remind people but couple of weeks later they are back to blocking them up again. Few people take any personal responsibility when it comes to this stuff unless forced to.
Well, they worked at a factory. Not saying everyone who works those types of jobs lacks smarts or wits, but maybe they weren't the most thoughtful, sharp, or logical ppl in the world.
Also, could have been set up. Haven't seen anyone rule that. Maybe done as a prank or joke.
No one ever remembers. Not only the burns on the outside. But your lungs breathing in that hot air is awful
The head guy who was killed was a 20+ yr maintenance engineer for the company. Not a rookie. All parties involved are at fault here on numerous levels.
Holy crap. One of the worst deaths I have ever heard of besides the man who was cooked to death at the Bumblebee Tuna factory. There are no words. Rest in peace.
if you like reading books, I suggest you tead Twelve past Midnight in Bhopal. Its a true story on the very worst industrial disaster
@@Binx345me Thanks for the suggestion! 👍 I have heard of what happened in Bhopal and it is about the worst thing ever. Very sad. 😞
@@Binx345meit’s *Five Past Midnight in Bhopal*
@@Binx345me I would also like to not being really sad so Im gonna skip this one
Darren Rainey's death in prison is up there as well. Rainey had schizophrenia and was serving a sentence for drug possession when he got locked in a hot shower by a prison guard and was very slowly burned to death.
I’m in the US and I knew about this story. It’s horrific. Those men should have gotten long prison sentences. Two men died in the most painful way. The men should have been tried as murderers.
Manslaughter for sure.
Ah yes blame men and not anyone actually important, sounds about right
@@david-468 Weirdo
The wealthy, powerful, connected, and corrupt never suffer consequences for their actions. Just look at Chump; it's the perfect example, obviously. 60+ years of heinous crimes, and he's never served a MINUTE in prison. 💪😎✌️ Now THAT is power, baby. Invulnerability at the highest level imaginable. God-tier status!
FFS - murder doesn't mean what you think it does.
How was no one charged with murder or at least with manslaughter? Those managers sent these men into a death trap!
Yes, all for the almighty dollar.... So sickening!!!
People in the comments act as if a manager grabbed the two men by the neck and forcefully threw them into a running oven. But that's not what happened. They were entering on their own accord without assessing the situation properly. One of them even was a senior engineer and very experienced with these ovens who should have known better. They both were largely responsible for their own fate. I mean would *YOU* enter such an oven without asking "Hey what's the temperature inside right now?" or "How am I going to exit once I go inside?"
So please explain to me why anybody should have been charged with murder if they died to their own stupidity? (And while it may sound rude, there really is no other word to describe this MINDBOGGLING act of negligence on their part)
@@akinaz8957 they trusted the manager
Pretty sure they don't use Dollars.
@@akinaz8957 it's the manager job to keep this from happening,they shouldn't be allowed inside the machine in the first place, the fact that they were allowed there and that the proper team wasn't called it's what makes the manager liable for murder, they order them to enter the machine too btw, arrest those people for murder and factory will start taking worker safety very very seriously
These industrial oven tragedies are always the most horrific. I couldn't imagine being cooked alive.
God damn it. I’ve never seen such stupidity. Sending people into a hot oven and nobody realising it just blows my mind.
Pretty stupid to go in....
I’m disturbed that no one went to prison
Rich gotta rich. 💪😎✌️ #ThuggLife #NoConsequences #Chump4EVR
Wait, so essentially the oven was too small for the two men to even get out the other side??? My anxiety and claustrophobia just kept 📈📈📈📈 watching this.
It’s unclear how big the oven was, except it was big enough for someone to go in it. But yes, besides the oven being too hot, the wouldn’t be able to get out because the hole at the other end of the conveyor was too small for anyone to fit through it.
I've never heard of this one. Horrifying and absolutely disgusting.
3 years before an apology.
Rest in paradise David Mayes and Ian Erickson.
Didn't bother checking the heat gauge to see the oven was too hot, and didn't even bother to check that the exit from the oven was large enough to facilitate them getting out. The amount of negligence is staggering.
Is It not possible to have some safety exits Included In their oven? Just In case? Sure they may scold their hands exiting. but at least they would've survived the Incident.
There was a similar death at a cigarette manufacturing plant in my town years ago. A worker was cleaning a large industrial dryer used to process tobacco and climbed inside. While she was cleaning, another worker dumped a load of tobacco into the dryer - several hundred pounds - and turned it on, not realizing that someone was inside. They didn't find her until the shift was over.
😢😢😢😢
What does that dryer do?
@@Jake.Gentry Tobacco used in cigarettes has to have a specific water content or it won't burn properly. They dry it to a specific humidity in giant machines not unlike a home clothes dryer.
@@photoboyjet I see, that makes more sense.
What’s the town called?
i remember the first time i heard this story. it has absolutely haunted me ever since. i cannot fathom the horror, terror, pain, and fear.
Same. Never forgot it.
Me too, I remember reading about it in the paper first. I was horrified. Even after all the years that have passed I've never forgotten.
This is an absolutely horrendous story but what I can’t understand is why would the two grown men climb into the oven without making absolutely sure that it’s safe to do so ? Like you are a maintenance man working in a bred factory and you climb into a commercial oven without checking the temperature gage ?! Not to mention the exit was too narrow to get out of the oven?!
Yeah that makes no sense to me either. These men both had worked there a while. You would think that they would know about the size of the opening and that there was a temperature gauge. I’m not blaming them but I’m surprised.
you dont become a factory worker if you use your brain to think
@@Sashazur I _am_ blaming them. Two Darwin Awards, comin' right up!
@@thug588 *"you dont become a factory worker if you use your brain to think"*
It doesn't take much of a brain to _not_ jump off a cliff just because someone tells you to.
Because they only had 3 brain cells, that's why they went in
No prison sentence?!? Slap on the wrist fines?! This world is pathetic.
David was my uncle. He was a lovely human being. David’s loss absolutely devastated our family. And it contributed to the death of my father less than 11 months later. He couldn’t live without his beloved brother. It’s 26 years later but it will never not hurt to hear how David suffered, worse still knowing that everyone got away with it. There was no justice for my nana and grandad or David’s brothers and sisters.
Bet they put that “now hiring” sign out after police took bodies and company cleaned the oven out.
Imagine they probably started baking bread again in the same oven! and did anyone get sent in to clean it, the bosses got off so lightly
Oh, I know this case. These poor men. Crazy that they even went in there, one of the most horrible ways to die I can imagine.
Geniuses all around the board, baby! 😂
Scaphism for me
That's stunning that there was no emergency shut off on this machine, or any shut off on a circuit breaker. I really can't think of a worse way to go.
There probably was some kind of full shut off mode that kept the machine opened and conveyor off for safe internal maintenance, they likely didn't know how to activate it and preferred to save a buck by not going to the manufacturer.
An emergency shut of wouldnt really have done anything in this case since the heating was already turned off.
@@BotPlays2222No, to stop the conveyor belt!! lol come on, dude! 😂
If the conveyor belt took 17 mins to traverse the length of the oven then surely it must have being going at a snail's pace. So why couldn't the men have simply turned around and crawled back out the way they came?
@reddwarfer999 From what I understand, they were inbetween a bunch of grids that normally held the bread, which is why they had to keep crawling at the same speed as the belt, or be crushed. Still could've escaped alive if someone had stopped the conveyer dead and removed one of the side plates that allow access to the interior....but no one did.
I can only have nightmares about what those workers were feeling and thinking during this unfortunate event.
Yeah… sobering, isn’t it? Yikes…
Feeling hot. Thinking "ow. ouchie."
I remember reading a report about 10 years ago about another man called Alan Catterall, who suffered this exact fate while repairing an industrial oven at a factory that manufactured canoes and kayaks. The oven door was closed while he was still working on it, automatically restarting the oven. To make matters even worse for his family, it turned out that the one that unknowingly closed the door with him still inside was engaged to his eldest daughter. I sincerely hope that the couple got help to cope with what happened and it didn't damage their marriage irreparably. RIP Alan, David and Ian.
I'll look into this.
Or the one where a young worker went into a paper pulp shredder-essentially a giant blender? Someone had removed or tampered with the safety interlocks. No need to describe what happened.
Honestly I hope that she called off the engagement.
They put a fan at the entrance thinking that would cool a massive industrial oven, didn’t check to see that the exit was only 8 inches wide, and never bothered to look at the thermometer that was right on the oven. This is beyond crazy
The level of incompetence is off the charts. They didn't even check the exit to see how they would get out. When you completely ignore dangers like this, you seriously need to check whether you have a death wish.
“Two men were sent into the oven, unbeknownst to the absolutely horrific events that lay ahead”. You should have said “unaware of” instead of “unbeknownst to”. Using the latter means that the horrific events didn’t know anything about the men, which makes no sense.
That’s how one should point out grammar and vocabulary errors. Nice and polite, with a clear explanation.
In all fairness, the horrific events didn’t in fact know anything about the men.
r/TechnicallyCorrect
@@johnmcstarrison7690the subject was the men not the events… so still incorrect
@@zergtoss1 Still grammatically correct.
The incident is so stupid from all parts involved that it's hard to imagine it really happened. Going inside this oven looked more like a dead wish than anything else.
OH&S educators often use this case as a example of extreme workplace safety negligence
Sometimes no is a lifesaving word, just say no when asked to do something like this
No justice for the two workers. Absolutely horrific.
Not sure I totally understand their logic. If the opening on the other side of the conveyer was only 8", how were they expected to get out? Even with a cool oven.
Employees are usually expected to innovate and show problem solving skills on the job.
A modern day Brazen Bull. The fact that Dennis sent two men in and refusing to go in himself means he knew at the very least that it was dangerous. He was not only a coward, but inept and unspeakably sinister, too.
Yup. But WEALTHY and connected. 💪😎✌️ That is *real* power. #baller
@Novastar.SaberCombat Tit.
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@@Novastar.SaberCombatl0s3r
Back then, there were numerous accidents. I worked for a company where a young man was tragically crushed to death by a machine. There had been other fatalities at that same workplace before my time. At another job I recently left, a worker was killed because health and safety were disregarded, and people followed orders out of fear of losing their jobs.
This family would have received millions in the US, not to mention that the company would be no longer, and those men responsible would have been imprisoned. No justice was served, and no accountability. So tragic and horrific
What happened to Union Carbide Execs after Bhopal. A US company?
I don't want to be the "murica bad" person here but the US justice system is also shattered...
What about the oil rig explosion of Piper alpha ?
Yep American companies owned the rig.
What about the 737max ?
What about The DC-10 ?
You mention anything to me about a conveyor belt at work and my answer is no before you even finish your sentence.
That's smart, yeah very dangerous 😳
boss: soooo... can you both come in tomorrow?
Probably posted 2 positions open in the factory before they were cold.
This is the most preposterous situation I’ve ever heard of. No one checked the temperature of the oven?
Kuma has entered the chat.
It was "Toasty" Noob Saibot.
You had me at "not an AI channel". Great video. Concise, informative, harrowing. Keep up the good work man.
Anybody willing to actually get inside of this oven without checking out most of those things themselves is just as responsible as the owners and operators who sent them in. I would happily lose my job before I would crawl into an oven without making sure it was safe
Exactly as I thought
This is what happens when your society is operated by large multinational companies instead of companies that stay within borders and have owners who share the same culture with the people who work for them and the people who they sell to.
They don't care if you die on the job, because they can always import people from abroad who are desperate enough and don't share any kinship.
The man had 20 years of experience with oven maintenance, and didn't do any pre inspections, this doesn't excuse anything or how they must of suffered and how there family still suffer, my condolences to everyone involved ❤
Even a little girl refused to get into an oven when asked. Have they learned nothing from Gretel???
Timeless wisdom
Yes! They should have asked the boss to get in just to 'check' whether it was wide enough for them to fit in.
I've worked in one of these industrial bakeries, and I wish I could say: "I'm shocked." But the truth is that the place where I worked (different company), is exactly the same. Safeties disabled, cause they made the oven shut down too much. For example a safety that shuts down the machine when a metal bar is pushed down (in case someone falls in), disabled by blocking the bar in place with a piece of wood or metal. Other safeties have been disconnected altogether.
Machines that are so old they're nearly falling apart, but the keep getting patched up, over and over again, disabling safeties if they threw an alarm because of the fix. Absolutely crazy what some companies will do for profit.
If you take into account that the average profit margin on a bread is 11 or 15 cents in such factories, they have to produce a lot of bread to make profit. But doing so and neglecting all safety standards... abhorrent.
I can’t tell what emotion I’m feeling more. Horrific sadness or absolute uncontrollable anger at the negligence displayed here.
Horrific! My husband worked in a cheese factory and a young man was working the night shift and got pulled into a machine with an auger, absolutely horrible death, the management wanted the machine ‘up and running again asap’ so sad that human lives are worthless 😢
This is so horrible. How long ago did it happen?
@@TheEmpressImpress About 10 years ago now 😞
My father worked in management at a meat plant years ago. One of the workers on the line accidentally stabbed himself with a knife while cutting. The big bosses refused to shut down the line while the man was gurneyed out. My dad quit on the spot. Went through depression after that because he had to take a very low paying menial job.
@@patimalatima9 That’s awful! 😞
This is horrific. Rip to the two men who were burned to death. I can’t believe that no one had the sense to check the oven gauges
Especially the ones that went in...
They only care about getting their profit-making machines running again. I've read so many cases of workers dying because lazy incompetent managers don't bother even checking the most elementary safety procedures but they are all concerned when a machine breaks down and their bonuses might be under threat. They should have went to jail. RIP David and Ian.
I'm ex OHS. This is gross neglect. The company's seniors should have been sent to prison. !
So horrific! Those poor men, and their families 😢
My brother got his arm caught and twisted in a machine at work and there was no emergency shut off button, luckily someone came and stopped the machine in time.
My brother still ended up with a compound fracture requiring screws and plates and many skin grafts.
He lost 30% use of his arm.
He was only 21 at the time so it was pretty devastating.
Obviously nothing as awful as what these poor men and their families went through, but machinery can be so dangerous and workers should not be put in dangerous positions like this as things can go very wrong
I had a coworker lose her finger because she caught her hair,which was supposed to be tied up,in our conveyer belt.There was no emergency shutoff on that . But we now do have emergency switches on all of the machines because of her accident. She was found to be partly at fault and the company was fined too. And they are a stickler about employees watching all the safety videos.
What a horrible way to die. Jesus. 😢
In aviation we say that there is always a chain of events that lead up to an accident. Break one of the links in the chain and the accident doesn't happen. This is why we train in Crew Resource Management, where we are not afraid to tell each other about minor mistakes. It has to be done reasonably and I've found that keeping a relaxed environment in the cockpit is the best way to bring out the willingness to point out and correct mistakes before they turn into an accident.
There hasn't been a catastrophic airliner crash in the United States since November 12, 2001.
What the absolute hell is this? They couldn’t even get out when the work was done because the exit was only 8” tall. I can’t believe anyone ever thought this was a good idea.
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So horrific. I couldn't imagine how much fear the men must have went through while in the oven. The charges were not enough. All 3 guilty men should have been sentenced to prison time.
I have crawled into dead-end (4" output gap) belt ovens before, for heating billets to forge rather than baking bread. No procedure for it so personal experience, knowledge and the ability to say "I'm not doing it until I think it's safe" come into play. Needless to say you don't know what you don't know, and relying on those factors alone to determine your safety often leads to disaster, especially the last one. Letting a manager that WON'T be doing the job push you into performing unsafe work is far too common for my taste.
It was disturbing yet horrible tragedy that they was been cooked alive inside the oven during repairing the oven. It was TRULY horrible way to die.
I'm all-but convinced those bosses just pulled of a murder plot. There's no way they could be THAT stupid.
That all they got was fines, that they didn't even end up paying, is disgusting
That's ridiculous and just diminishes the tragedy of what they went through. There's no need to invent a murder plot; people are routinely that cavalier with other people's lives.
Kinda foolish of the workers to not check the temperature and exit before getting in....
my brain can't accept how ALL industrial machines don't have multiple emergency shut-off options
Something I’ve never done is compromise my own safety due to pressure from management. It’s an oven. I would have very much checked the temperature myself before going in and would have said no - it needs to be cooled for X amount of hours, tough!
Businesses really need to change. This kind of stuff really does happen in so many places.
Not sure if you’ve covered it or not but this video reminded me of a man being baked alive in a tuna oven back in 2012.
I've worked on industrial baking ovens over 100 feet long with a conveyor system. I've worked on them hot, but we would never think about riding the conveyor. Anything we did the gas, the electric, and the air were all locked out. And anything we did hot was with us on the outside reaching through a cover wearing heavy welding gloves.
When something is referred to as an 'incident,' you can be rest assured that something horrific occurred.
Genuinely subscribed because you wrapped at the end that this isn’t an Ai channel. The human teller of this story is important to acknowledge and appreciate
I can't see how anyone can be this dumb. I'm convinced that their boss hated them. If there was only an 8 inch gap at the end, that means nobody had been through before. Why then?
I haven't seen the actual machine, but there is no way in the world I would crawl into a confined space like that. I would be disassembling it in order to gain access. No matter how hard that was.
I worked on this type of oven at another bakery. The police and hse visited our bakery during the investigation to see a working oven in action.
The fact that NO ONE questioned if this was a good idea is infuriating. I had a manager suggest I'd have to climb into our trash shoot to unjam our trash compactor (not my doing, but I had to deal with it) and I flat out told her she was crazy and I would NOT be climbing in to it and we could just call the company that collected the bins or SHE could climb in. She opted to just call the collection company and lecture the younger employees again about how boxes needed to be broken down before disposal. But needless to say that manager didn't like me because I didn't put up with her BS.
As a steelworker who enters confined spaces I find it very strange the entrants didn't realize they couldn't get out once in.
So instead of shutting down 10 hours before & lose 10 hours of production, they now lost however many days of production now for the investigation. NICE........
That's the problem with workplace psychopaths, they always have a short game, not a long game!
Rich gotta rich. 💪😎✌️
@@melissagreen_oh they have a long game, it's called screwing over almost everyone on the way to hopefully and eventually having enough to save their own azzz.
In case you ever think your employer has a successful business because they must know what they're doing really well...
You've be wrong more often than you think.
Having worked on the railway I have seen people take risks - Even though they know it's wrong . When the holes in the cheese line up then it's game over. A very sad story.
This is unbelievable. I'm sure there are literally HUNDREDS of tragic workplace deaths that could be documented on these channels. Horrible.
Recurring quote of this channel: “the (blank) was closed down, and an investigation was launched”
I watch a lot of disaster and freak accident videos and one thing I really noticed is some countries’ justice systems are just laughable. The three men in this case didn’t even have to pay their little slap on the wrist fines? God save the queen.
This isn’t even recklessness or negligence. It’s pure evil. Just cruel!
Reminds me of Final Destination 3 with those girls roasting alive in the tanning beds
that is movie not real live