Stalled Train Needs Push Up Hill From 3 Locomotives! Foreign Power Shoves Train Up Steep Grade!
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- A Heavy Train Was Struggling Going Up The Steep Hill Out Of The Ohio River Valley & Stalled At MP5.3. Locomotives were coupled onto the rear of the train and pushed it up to Erlanger, Kentucky. We see a train go down the hill and the helper locomotives go back down. Union Pacific Railroad and Burlington Northern Santa Fe locomotives helped push the Norfolk Southern train up. UP power was on the lead also.
I heard the train talking on 160.950 to the dispatcher telling them that they were slowing down and struggling on the grade. Then they called the dispatcher back and said they were stopped. I think the 2 locomotives came from Gest Street Yard in Cincinnati. The locomotives returned shortly after helping the train.
We also see an empty steel coil train going down and then I changed locations and filmed a loaded steel coil train with a DPU in Erlanger, Kentucky at a railroad crossing. We also see a local switching freight train going past Erlanger Yard. There are 6 trains in this video counting the lite locomotive move.
Filmed in 1080p with 60fps on Thursday, December 1, 2022AD
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Merci beaucoup pour cette très belle vidéo ! 🌟🌟👍Thank you very much! 🙏
That NS engine at the 14:15 mark had a different sounding horn. Lots of action! great video!
Uncle Jaw Tooth the Train Engine Whisperer 😉
Top and many hats! Thanks JT
94 Cars on the stalled train with 1 Engine in front. Wow ! Great up hill struggling and DPU action. The NS engine on 2nd train North bound had a unique Horn. The Coil train reminded me of 3 guys in Okie City that tried to take a 32,000 lb. Coil off my semi. It didn't go well for them. Thanks for all the hard work.
Hey JawTooth and Mrs JawTooth
Another great video
Appreciate your efforts
Thanks for confirming my guess about steel cars.
Thanks for watching !
Wow! Great video Brian! Thanks so much for sharing!
So much foreign power on that line that it's beginning to not be so foreign. Lots of live action and catches going on in this video.Thanks Brian.
Great location great rescue great video thanks jaw tooth
You don't see one engine up front and three in the back very often. 😉That train had a few tank cars loaded with crude oil and a bunch with ethanol.You see everything from sulfuric acid to liquid oxygen to chlorine in those things. Just read the numbers on the hazardous diamonds. There is a Wikipedia page listing the material the numbers represent. I've seen 5 cars in row street-running loaded with chlorine. You raise your eyebrows sometimes. The chances of an accident are _extremely_ small. But still, it's chlorine. lol Oh, and you're right. It did sound good.
Lots of foreign power lately and lots more DPUs than there used to be. I ain't complaining!
NS engine 7644 showed up again. See that one a lot in your videos.
Thanks so much for taking us with you again, JT and I'll see y'all next video.
A much appreciated rescue for that train! I would think the crew was probably a little upset at having been given an underpowered consist like that, but this what railfanning is about :)
i think you are right... they should know how steep that rail is there... they deal with it several times a day probably.
Nice Video Jaw Tooth! Love Seeing foreign power! 👍👍👍
Great video! Thank you!
Thanks for watching !
Cold day hot video,all the best for Christmas.
Thanks for watching and have a great week!
Apparently somebody made a major miscalculation for not putting enough power on the first train. Trusting that once the pushers cut off its fairly level track the rest of the way to its destination but somehow I picture them averaging 35 mph at best. For the loaded coil train and the type of car that was used those coils look like the passengers on the Cincinnati Cinder Sniffer trip all sitting forward in one straight line. Thanks for covering that heavy hitting section of NS Main Line trackage
Chessie is a real laugh trying to drive the truck 🤣. The stalled out freight being rescued was interesting especially to see two of the helpers running back down again. Cool video, JT 👍
Mornin JT.. 18 degrees in eastern Maine.. BRRRR
Morning! 18 is about 6 degrees colder than us!
One of your best video's! I love the sound of the DPUs working HARD as we in the UK do not see this !
Thanks for watching! I appreciate your comment
@@FabianDiazTrainsTrucksNCars This winter when we get some snow I am planning on walking to the steepest part of the hill on the Rathole line and get some DPU working action
Señor Jaws? A possible foreign power scenario? ... °°°Comrade Consist Engineer Number #1. Russian loco strong. Not that strong! Come here! Boom. You dead. Comrade Consist Engineer Number #2. You in charge.°°° ... Gracias por tu video, comrade Señor Jaws. RT sends, Puebla, México... That looks cold there. Stay warm!!!
On the first train, 3 DPUs at the end & one engine at the front wow.
Except the rear engines were manned helpers, not DPUs.
Here in the UK in the days of steam we had special 'banking' engines near hills that only had the job of pushing heavy trains up hills. They were designed a bit different from normal engines and were very powerful with roughly double the power of a normal engine. They would typically sit in a siding at the bottom of the hill, waiting for a train to pass then slide out and run up behind and push the train uncoupled.
Lots of power but limited range?
@@robertheinkel6225 Yes they were huge specially built one of a kind engines and unusual wheel combinations. One of a kind and very difficult for the crew to drive because they were in the smoke of the train they were pushing and their own smoke especially in a tunnel. They didn't go far and operated at low speed with massive tractive power on starting unlike a normal engine. The steepest hill on British railways is near where I live called Lickey Hill and had its own very famous banking engine called Big Bertha. You can look it up on Wiki.
@@brianthesnail3815 0-10-0
@@robertheinkel6225 Run out of steam and couldn't keep the fire up to it. Many a banking engine would roll back down the hill as they didn''t have the steam to run. L like
the 2-8-8-4's they would use, powerful, but short running.
Wow awesome footage 💪
Awesome video with 3 dpu working hard but wait there’s more 👍😎🇺🇸🚂
Thanks for watching !
When I first saw those stacks of car frames on those flatcars, I didn't know what they were exactly.
Full trains of auto and truck frames used to be a regular occurrence coming out of A.O. Smith in Milwaukee.
That is all gone, has been for quite some time.
I enjoyed that video👍👍
Awesome seeing a Union Pacific engine, a Norfolk Southern engine, & a BNSF engine all hooked together at the end of the first train.
Awesome train catches!!
Nice train video
🚂🌻🇮🇳🌻🚂
Hello from the UK. So a top and tail where the tail is bigger than the top! Those locomotives at the back were a bit of a mixture, NS, UP and BNSF. Do the rival companies usually help each other out like this?
I think what they do is lease each other's locomotives if they need it. I think to sometimes too when trains from different companies are going to a destination that is not on their trackage, they'll just keep the same locomotives all the way as opposed to switching the locomotives to whatever company owns the trackage.
@@clineshaunt That's my understanding as well, especially the leasing part. I also think we are seeing "Power Pooling" where roads that are part of the "pool" can "donate" seasonally unneeded power and later draw power and assign it as needed. This would explain seeing NS or CSX (eastern roads) power in Oregon or California as well as BNSF and UP power all the way over on the east coast running repeatedly over the same trackage before eventually heading "home" as that road's seasonal traffic picks up.
@@robertf3479 Power pooling is a good point. That would explain why here in Columbus, Ohio I see BNSF and UP on the NS line by my house on a regular basis. Never really used to.
Love the sound of the DPU'S shoving on the rear or the train
Really enjoyed this video JT lots of long mixed freight never seen so many cars carrying truck frames nor have I ever seen a opened auto rack car neat train carrying steel coils with a NS dpu some great foreign power UP,BNSF & NS you covered all the bases on this video JT great 👍 job ! 👀👨✈️🙋🏻👷♂️🤠😎👀TRACKS AHEAD everyone !
My Mom was born & raised in Klemme Iowa, I see you caught one of the Klemme Coop cars on your video, you can always tell from far off its a Klemme car because there all painted Pink . . . Yes Pink . . . Klemme Coop 👍
Good video Jawtooth
Amazing videos Jaw Tooth keep up the good work
Thanks Andre!
THREE more units! Serious under-estimation of need.
Yes, I don't know how they made that mistake
Excellent work
Thanks for watching !
Nice 👌 👍 trains today going well thank you for the information about the trains great views looking forward 2 seeing more
Good one Jaw tooth
Another cool video JT, having a stalled train need additional help getting up that grade was very interesting indeed , then having the additional power return light, live action.
Chessie is such a joy to watch so full of life and energy. Good job as always JT.👍🏼
1st - great video as always buddy. Keep'em coming. Cheers from Ontario 🇨🇦
Thanks for being here so fast!
@@JawTooth trigger Happy
Bring on the UP engines... Wooo
Wow 4555 had a funky duel sounding horn.
DPU we see you !!
Awesome VID !! 👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it
How do you find some of these locations map or word of mouth some are interesting places
ChainsawN&W1218, nice lash up on the rear the UP DPU, BNSF and NS helper and enjoyed Your video!👍🚂🛤
Man they were pushing hard!
I love it when they are in Run 8. They sound so good. Cool video. 👍❤️
Nice sightings today. Weather was cooperative. See you on the next, Mike. 😊
Thank you for another video from the Crescent Springs/Erlanger, Kentucky area, Jaw Tooth! I do not understand why Norfolk Southern does not send a train up this hill from the Ohio River to Erlanger, Kentucky without enough horsepower to move the train up to Erlanger without stalling. Why would you take the chance of having the train stall and then you must waste time sending additional power to move the train? There were a lot of truck frames on that first train.
Good video jawtooth
the flat cars with all the chassis remind me of how truck chassis came into GM truck plant in Oshawa. Once inside the overhead crane would lift them off and set onto a self-propelled AGV. We produce 73 finished trucks an hour back the late 80's
Wow! Packed a lot of train action into this video. Got to see a lot of reporting marks I've haven't seen in a while, NKCR as an example. Keep up the great work!
That was a LOT of frames! 640 by my count.
Wouldn't be a dog if it didn't have its head pit the window! Great trains thank you Brian. Stay warm
I liked your YOOPER CHOOK hat so much I bought one for myself.
Good morning from New Orleans la
Good morning !
Good Morning from Michigan
Ol' Shoestring does get around, doesn't he? At least a boxcar give you a dry ride out of the wind.
Very good video, have a nice day 👏👏👏
Awesome catch with the power from BNSFand UP and the huge shipment of vehicle frames (from Magna Int'l?). Appreciate your never ending quest for different locations! Refreshing to see the animals and the country. Thanks JT!!
Hi Jawtooth, do you have any plans to film the Belpre Industrial railroad again?
UP must have a ton of power leased almost every one of your NS train has at least one. Another cool video thanks.
Not often do I ever see any open boxcars on a moving train.
Wow - now most of the time your videos show trains pulled by mostly ES44's or GEVo type locomotives , but this time I see some EMD 70MACs ! I almost didn't think that they were DPU capable but your video cleared that up ! Thanks ! I guess that somewhere out west ( Seligman AZ maybe ) there will be a few NS locomotives either pulling a train or in a yard waiting to go - the aforementioned town is on Route 66 - I stopped there on my way to the Grand Canyon from Las Vegas. The remoteness of the place is hard to believe, but there it is.
I think it is unprofessional on the part of those who make up the trains and allocate power to them if they do not give the train adequate power so that it stalls on steep gradients. The exception to that, of course, is if helper power is added for the steep grades and removed when it is no longer needed. The outcome of that train stalling is a delay to the train itself while they are finding the extra power, and delays to its following train(s), and if the power has to go down the hill first there could be delays to trains running in the opposite direction. Delays mean loss of time, and, as we all know, time's money these days. Not very good for a company that runs two-mile-long trains in order to reduce operating costs and make greater profits.
Yes, I agree with your other followers who say that this is what railfanning is about, but it's also about seeing the railroad getting things right first time.
It has to do with profits
@@michaelhewitt258 I realise that. What I'm saying is that they're not doing it properly, and so their profits are going to suffer as a result.
LOL! Saw EVWR had Union Pacific motors labeled over hooked up to the PAL green motors. Looks like a John Deere collection green and yellow.
Good great made video, mr Jaw Tooth.
More see on your video's that trains riding with open door of box cars. In Europa: no way son. The protocol is always doors closed. And Chessie is a nice dog.
Always with you?
Greet from Zandvoort the Netherlands 🇾🇪🇺🇸
yeah, mister duck is not going to deal with chessie... lol we like it when you feed the duck corn.
Must be one heck of a hill. Why don't they just put DPUs to begin with?
Too cheap!
Looming rail strike
It appears it did have one DPU, because two of the pushers returned.
I have watched NS trains since their old N&W days when they used to run GP9s and the old ALCOs. Most of my viewing was on the Pocahontas Subdivision and Deepwater Subdivision. Today I watch them between Bristol and Roanoke. NS has chosen to run on the cheap side of things in recent years. They have made their trains longer by putting a DPU in the middle of the train and nothing on the rear. These motive power reductions haven't been small, but massive. It used to be on the Pokey one could see two or three 4,400 horsepower units on the front and two to four 4,400 horsepower units on the rear. Now you see two 4,400 horsepower on the front, one 4,400 horsepower DPU in the middle and nothing on the rear! They literally take a run at some hills and pray they don't have to stop or simply stall out!!! Rural Retreat, VA is the summit point between Bristol and Roanoke. The other day a mixed freight was running Bristol to Roanoke. The train comes into view near stalling speed with only one 4,400 GE on the front and it was going 8 to 10 mph. Halfway back they had a 4,400 EMD and that was it. It must have been a 6,000 foot train!!! It took forever for the train to clear the crossing in Rural Retreat. It did speed up some as it started down grade. I have seen several stalled trains. I know fuel is expensive, but I also know NS buys fuel futures and not spot market fuel. It used to be NS was managed by people who came up in the company in motive power, now it is managed by bean counters that just focus on EBIT, sales and cashflow. On time delivery means something, but the only thing that seems to run on time are Intermodal Coal and Sea Container trains. I always enjoy your great videos! Thank you!!! 👍
Great video of the trains at the RATHOLE line! Its amazing of how that incline can put a hurting on a train especially when its loaded. But they should have DPU's either in the middle or at the bottom if they know they're heading North! But apparently they don't think abt it. Anyways, nice job as always JT and appreciate all your time and effort my friend! Cheers from Delmar, Delaware
Excellent video. I wish I knew how decisions are made at the yard as to how much power to put on a particular train. Is there a formula? Seems like it may be up to one person? The mysteries of the yard. Thanks, Jaw Tooth.
Me or you could have have called that first train getting stuck. One engine, uphill, on a loaded train. It's like they wanted that train to get stuck!
Great Catch JT. Uncle Pete & a Pumpkin in KY.
That shove crew gets a 'Days Pay' penalty on top of their regular pay.("Doing 'Work' for another crew")Contract Violation
Wow, UP and BNSF combined with NS! Unique!
Thanks for watching !
No really where I work in Alabama there's a track behind the business and at least twice a week I see foreign power.
That amazes me how they can control an engine that's so far back behind the front engines either by remote control or by a cable control
RADIO. A relatively recent invention....grin
@@georgejenista9487 One of them new fangled contraptions.🤣😄😎
The last train you videoed some cool looking old cars at the front of the train.
Awesome Video keep up with a great work and be safe out there.
I made sloppy joe on brownberry buns... yum... i like that better than manwich for some reason. Your train videos are great JT. keep 'em coming.
Great video and keep up the good work God bless from GA and happy holidays
thanks! God bless you also
By the sounds of the horns, I can already tell there's either a Union Pacific or a BNSF locomotive in the lead of the first train even without seeing it right away.
Yeah, No wonder the first train stalled out. No way one locomotive was gonna pull all that up a steep grade. That was crazy. I think Chessie wanted to drive the truck for you, Jawtooth.
Wow, that was a good one son !!! 👍👍👍👍
you can tell that first train was having it rough trying to get up that hill glad the other trains helped it
Thanks for watching!
Awesome video JT!!!!
😊nice video,Brian.i am bussy now,greetz:🍐Peer.
I woke up at 4 am to binge watch your videos!
It probaly didn't help that at least 1 car had a dragging brake? and putting that heavy coil steel gondola didn't help either!
FANTASTIC VIDEOS!
Thanks for watching !
Power desk failed on calculating the HP vs Ton , see it all the time . Great video .
ANOTHER GOOD VIDEO JT I ENJOYED IT AND YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY TODAY 👍 JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA NORFOLK SOUTHERN RULES MY RAILS 👌
I feel like it’s kinda weird to see an engineer in the DPU since there is already a crew. Do they really need another person?
Someone had to bring them the extra power.
Hey that was Shoestring cqtch in out!! LoL! Be Well
@@onemat2000 And also had to bring it back down the hill.
They were manned helpers, not DPUs
@@robertheinkel6225 True
Excellent catches my dear
Awesome video Brian 😊
I have a question maybe someone can answer. When they build these long trains, at what point does someone say, "that's long enough." With these super long trains, what's the limit? 🤔 Something tells me it's a complex answer, not just a matter of tacking on more & more cars.
A lot of times the limit is determined by the length of available sidings, when needed on single track main lines.
@@robertheinkel6225 Good point. But on double track mainlines like BNSF & UP have out west, I wonder what their logistic policy is for maximum train length since they don't have to worry about siding lengths.
Hey jawtooth, have you ever witnessed a train derailment in all you life,just wondering is all. Thanks alot keep the videos coming.
Seen some old conrail auto racks on that second train! Been around for a while
Whose idea was it to power a 95 car consist up a steep grade with one engine? No wonder it stalled!
I know right. Thanks for watching !
And on the 2nd train you pointed out the open door on that one boxcar, but you missed at least one that came before it.
Seems like these Railroad companies are so cheap they just want to cut corners instead.
DPU SD 70!!!!
You have to be a diehard railfan to chase them in cold weather
4th - great video as always 😊