What Can Men Do To Help? | Hollyoaks
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2022
- Maxine talks about being attacked and how everybody can play their part to tackle sexist or abusive behaviour. So... what can four guys from guys from Dee Valley do to help the women of Hollyoaks feel safer?
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I hope Verity does something about Eric. She knew that her dad was crazy and did those things to Tony. And she carried on with helping Diane with the divorce and keeping his secret for so long. I hope she doesn’t do that with Eric. I’m glad that they caught the guy who attacked Maxine.
I swear Romeo was slated off by the writers more than Maxine's actual attacker was in this episode.
Knowing Hollyoaks and it's weird twists it wouldn't surprise me if Maxine's attacker turned out to be Romeo himself!
FinB OA Ikr????? 😔
It shouldn't happen to anyone no matter who you are 💖
My heart breaks for Maxine
Same with all the other women in the world
After last night's episode I am too.😲😭😭😭
Very good hard hitting topic, most storylines recently have been meh but this one is very important and impactful
It's amazing how 2 twenty-somethings brains turn to absolute mush when it comes to a teenager 😂 I'm in awe at the fact that Juliet legit has Nadira & Peri, both successful mature women, willing to be sidechicks while she's in a whole relationship with one or the other 🤣 I wish I had that kind of finesse at 19 👏 Honestly I don't even care who she's dating or who she's seeing on the side at this point, as long as Juliet gets more screentime Hollyoaks has my full attention 😄 I'm really looking forward to the cancer storyline because it'll obviously bring Jules and Pez closer 😍
Keep dreaming
@@prodgaming2948 Stay mad Karen 😂🤣 Juliet is in love with Peri and Peri is in love with Juliet, you're hating trolling ass can't change the facts 💅
I'm impressed as well but at the end of the day I think they like this toxic stuff and there's nothing wrong with showing healthy relationships now and then just saying lol. Neither one of them need to be together. All single ladies. I knew they were getting back together but juliet is being a coward now lol hell I want peri to just do it now
@@37204 I hear you. But it is a soap opera, so they gotta have drama and healthy relationships get boring which is what happened to Jeri after the Timmy storyline. This cheating storyline has been messy and messy = drama which makes for an entertaining soap opera 😆 If this was a Dinsey movie then I'd expect healthy relationships, but it's Hollyoaks and Judira/Jeri don't even come close to the top 10 unhealthy relationships on this show 😂 It's all fiction so I don't see why certain people get so caught up in their feelings, just stop watching if you don't like it, wish they'd let the rest of us enjoy 🤷♀️
@@KB-90 quite grim that you’re wishing for a cancer storyline
Toms laugh at the end killed me
I know right. Changing the subject who’s watching I’m a celebrity tonight to cheer Romeo on
What a lovely story! Love Max!
Still feel like it was Eric that attacked Maxine or that he was the one who orchestrated the entire ordeal with his connections. All about "teaching her a lesson" and that's why he's losing it that it seemingly backfired. Meanwhile Peri and Juliet gonna have an affair? It's a vicious cycle with these 3 lol
When I was younger than Maxine I walked through a dark park home alone. I wasn't a bit scared.
How times have changed. 😪
WD She is brave!0:45👍
some men don't want to be educated some just wanted to praise for the acts of violence and when you tell them when their actions are wrong they're likely to be more violent
I know right at the end of the day I blame the parents on how they bring up there sons
maybe it just who they are
@@garymcnabb5452 I also blame the government for scrapping all the police off the streets
I couldn't agree with you more on that statement mate, it really makes you question any level of human decency and empathy in people like that.
Didn't didn't Theresa once kill a guy and got another killed that's extremely hypocritical on her part
I won’t know cuz I didn’t watch hollyoaks back then. That must of been way back in the late 00s or early 10s
yeah she did not that the show remembers lol she's also been violent with almost all of her past boyfriends but was never called out on it and the fact the show tries to use her as a comic relief character just makes me sick.
@@scarletyoung6053 2010
@@billyboy4761 bloody hell it was that long ago I was still at big school then
@@thentherewas1167 She also tried to kill Dodger for just choosing not to be with her
I got jumped yesterday my eye looks like hers hahahahaha
That will piss Eric off and at the end of the day I blame the parents on how they brought up there sons
I hope we get to a point in society where men know longer look at females or acknowledge they even existed saves us from having the burden of getting called a creep for even glancing at a so called woman
Jack 💖
What can men do to help?
How spouse use these brains yes this doesn't apply to all men but it wouldn't hurt would it ?
I get Hollyoaks are raising awareness, but they do go OTT with it. How many times have they returned back to this story? a hundred? Does Maxine have to be part of ANOTHER negative storyline? Why cant they just write something uplifting for her?! Not liking Hollyoak's writing team anymore after they split Jeri up for NO reason! So they're currently public enemy no.1!
Completely agree and will they ever Bring Awareness up about men being assaulted
They have had numerous stories about men being assaulted Ollie,Luke,Brody, John Paul and those are just some recent ones.
They likely continue to use it as a story line because it continues to be an issue and intel communities like the one Eric is in are a growing issue.
@@highlycreativeminiatures3775 wait so are these group chats with men who have never even been touched by a woman a real thing?
@@trueking1857 its called grindr.
This show once had the character Dom Tony's brother get beat up by a gang of girls for a laugh funny how no one remembers that
@@JJ-jx4im violence against men is like 10000% less common and it’s usually men atttacking other men smh they’ve done storylines abt make rape and men being abused so stop making everything about men all the time ffs you’re not the ones scared to walk alone at night and it’s not 1 in 4 men that get raped it’s 1 in 4 women and nowhere near that number for men yet you seem to make it all about yourselves when women try sharing their story
How do you know a lot of men aren't scared to walk the streets at night
@@user-by5lj5fs4v can tell you’re a woman by that name
@@user-by5lj5fs4v that’s bullshit, sorry but I know rape is a horrific thing and any man who does rape a woman should be shot up into space without any oxygen but the fact you are y trying to say men get all the glory and attention is absolute lies. I’ve been hit by an ex girlfriend before and everyone ridiculed it because I’m a man who was hit by a woman even though realistically If I defended myself I’d of got even more backlash for it a lot of men are afraid to walk home alone because yes they can be attacked by men and women if a man’s attractive enough he will often be faced with women groping him in public and making advances do you think all us men are going to be into that? No in fact it creeps us out but we have to put up with it because if a man reports a woman he’s usually laughed at so men being attacked or even raped is a lot more common than you think. we are just too ashamed to speak on it because we don’t get nearly the same amount of support women do. Now don’t you try twist anything I’ve said this is still an important storyline there is a lot more that should be done to help prevent rape all together but don’t try belittle someone because they made a suggestion to show a storyline for men being abused too. Men and women male and female there’s horrific people in both genders
Maxine 😔😔😔😔
This while story was just a jab at men. They could have made this storyline without villainising every single man
HOLLY-WOKES
This is unintentionally a parody of social media 😂
I have a feeling the guy who attacked Maxine might appear as a new character for future storylines; it could be his redemption arc, or he might be an upcoming villain.
First of all, I am really sorry for Maxine. But one problem I have with this scene is how defensive the women get when Tony brings up the safety kits and cup lids.
Tony is clearly trying to be empathetic and help where he can by providing those things, and instead of thanking and commending him for his efforts, they’re all like: ‘We shouldn’t have to guard our drinks! You’re making it the *woman’s* responsibility!’
Yeah, well guess what…. It *IS* a person’s responsibility (regardless of gender) to keep themselves safe!
Also, is it me, or is every male character, who tries to voice their support in this scene, met with animosity? It’s like they’re just using every man in sight as a verbal punchbag!
P.S. I’m not trying to be offensive at all, or misogynistic. I’m just stating how I feel about this scene.
But you're right though, we are all responsible for our own safety and my mother has told me about looking after my drink every single time I go on a night out and she's right
The whole episode annoyed me to the max on how they're applying predatory behavior from guys like Maxine's attacker to simple decent normal guys Tony, Jack, Tom, etc. The real culprit why that kind of behavior spreading in Hollyoaks in the storyline is Eric with his lame-ass men-only online forum incited guys that are on there to pray on girls like Maxine. It was the same thing after Juliet and Peri had their privacy exposed by Timmy with spy cameras, Juliet gave James an earful to help her.
I agree they shouldn't be attacking or blaming them when they are only trying to help you shouldn't associate all guys the same and that there is a difference between those who stalk or rape than those who try to help and make things better
Exactly. Why don't they blame the bad men instead of trying to blame the men that care and aren't predators. They were showing support to Maxine and all the other women, but yet they still got shouted at just for caring. Romeo, Tony, Tom and Jack are the types of guys that would want to beat the hell out of any man that would hurt a woman.
Because that's the way the world is now, all men are bad and the same (which is false) and even when the decent men try to step up and help (which is what women have asked for) we're still just all misogynistic pigs 🤷♂️
@@JJ-jx4im it's probably because all this blaming all men stuff happens in real life too
they are definitely not applying predatory behavior to tony, jack, tom, and romeo. in this video maxine herself says "you four guys are the gentlest men i know" (not verbatim of course). the confrontation in the pub was more about how even the good guys can be complicit in sexist behavior, perpetuating harmful ideas like "if a girl rejects you, keep pushing until she breaks" or "well if she was wearing that clothing then she was definitely asking for it" or just the general idea of male superiority over women.
because our societies uphold men on hegemonic pillars, most men have contributed to sexism, rape culture, and things of the like. that being said, it is not like they are being conscious of these choices, but it is just so well-integrated into our societies that most men (and even women) don't realize it.
this scene was about helping men deconstruct what they have been taught all throughout their lives and help them realize that they can be better allies :]
Can we get a storyline where a woman abuses a man? That needs awareness to.
as nice as that would be, seeing as we're talking about Hollyoaks here, i don't really see that happening any time soon. i mean, they did a (terrible) International Woman's Day "special" earlier this year & as this is Hollyoaks, i would be super surprised if they did an International Men's Day episode (the day of which is only less than a couple of weeks away) but i have extremely high doubts about it tbh.
Yes of course that needs awareness too but quite clearly, whole point of this is that this type of thing happens to women by men FAR more often, doing normal every person activities. Typically, when men go out they are more likely to fear being attacked by other men than they are of women. Open your eyes guys, it’s tiring.
@@charlottejennings abuse is abuse either way... It should all be recognized...
Absolutely. If we wanna talk about equality, this is the one that should be discussed across the board. Equally, we’re ALL victims. 💯 ABUSE IS ABUSE.
@@charlottejennings Agree with everything you said👏
Yes!! course it's not all men but we as men have a responsibility to call out this sort of vile behaviour and help shift cultural attitudes towards women. I commend Hollyoaks for this story and bringing more awareness. 👏🏻
Men have a responsibility for their actions, it should not be the responsibility of other men to tell other men how to behave, everyone knows right from wrong by the time they get to adulthood, some people just don't care but good people should never be held accountable for those who are not good
I think this is a great storyline but, Hollyoaks has a history of assault and abuse with their female characters as well as their male characters. It's interesting that male sexual assault survivors on the show aren't part of the conversation. Luke and Brody are dead, Ollie isn't in town, Imran and John Paul are no where to be found, and James isn't a part of the story either. It's actually ironic because Romeo is the product of James being forced/coerced to have sex with Donna Marie.
@@dolemitetcs8598 because it’s a way bigger problem for women unfortunately and the number of cases is increasing rapidly it’s changed from 1 in 6 women to 1 in 4 women how don’t you think that’s sick???
@@user-by5lj5fs4v I never said it wasn't sick nor did I say I was okay with it. Also, part of the reason for spikes in cases is that we just came out of a worldwide pandemic that forced millions of people to be lockdown for months on end with their abusers. And actually the reports of unwanted touching and abuse for males especially those in minority groups comes within just a few % points of women. We just live in a society where men don't report because sexual assault is treated as a women's issue or joke. That's the reason we can have Donna Marie strolling around the village as a comedy character even though Romeo's existence is the product of sexual assault. Now I will agree that any and all victims of assault deserve to be heard. So, what Maxine and Lizzie are feeling should be the immediate issue and does take precedence.
@@user-by5lj5fs4v he never said it isn't sick, he correctly pointed out that none of the male characters listed who are victims of sexual assault can give their experience because they're either dead or missing in action
Hollyoaks seems to have a very selective memory
also I'd just like to point out what Tom said about Mansplaining is incorrect lol the show's writers can't even get that right.
“Mansplaining” is just when a man explains something and a woman doesn’t like it but has nothing worth saying back so she just says “mansplaining”
Ridiculous virtue signaling by terrible writers. How many characters in this show have been villains that are women. The glamorise crime and murder with the loosest of storylines that could of been penned by a child. Absolutely rubbish.
I have an issue with this. Before I say what I'm about to say, I'm totally not against women being protected when walking home at night, not at all and I'm for all women to be comfortable in their surroundings and make it safely back to their homes and whatnots. But In terms of the good thing's women are saying to us men and how they want change, what do you expect us men to do? Not all men are bad people but not all women are saint's as well, I'm sorry to say. Good men would want to stop the bad from doing all these kinds of things to attack women but It's a case of "it goes in one ear and goes out the other".
Good men don't "not all men" when it comes to violence against women.
We *know* it's not all men, the trouble is we *don't* know which ones are the bad ones until something happens.
@@Vixyvix01 ok but what can ppl do? Like everyone goes educate men BUT u cant educate grapists
Also there's a rise in women saying they don't need men and men are trash etc.
@@Vixyvix01 yeah, u say that and then you go right ahead and tar us with the same brush. also, we men dont know if women are bad until something happens so it works both ways
@@RossTurner94 Completely agree with you
The misandry on display in this episode was too much! These issues affect some males too. Some fear of being attacked stabbed and killed every time they leave the house.!
And throwing in lines like "educating the mysoginists" when taking about Tony, Romeo, Tom does not help anybody!
Hollywokes
Pitieie poorie maxine abusedie her illie factious disorderie liesie nowie assaultedie well actedie amazingies girlie ever maxine my favouriteie loveies her
Wee Minnie is getting so big!
it's sad when someone gets attacked/assaulted, but this whole episode in a nutshell was just 30 minutes of "woman gets attacked by 1 man = all men responsible". was also nothing but annoying, preachy, divisive, judgmental, manipulative & worst of all, one-sided.
also, if you use buzz-"words" like "mansplain" to deflect whatever's being said, not only is that sexist (yes, sexist), it's also pretty childish & you do not deserve to be taken seriously.
it should also be common decency to NOT attack/assault anyone at any point whenever or however. the only ones that don't have such decency are ones who commit such actions. i don't need nor appreciate being made to feel bad or take responsibility for apparently being male that had absolutely nothing to do with the incident.
bottom line, terrible episode & God-awful delivery of the message (whatever it was supposed to be).
I agree
Well said!
@Maya Jeevas My biggest issues are "We can't tell the good men from the bad one" same could be said about women. And the whole "it shouldn't be our responsibility" thing, well unfortunately we live in a world where bad people do bad things, you should be watching out for yourself (and hopefully others) its called natural selection. I mean kids in the USA shouldn't have to learn survival basics on how to survive a school shooting but they do because bad people who do bad things exist.
@ShortBoi Well said
Too right, why should we be made to feel guilty. Im all for this so long as its not done in a way to put down men and make it seem one sided. The buzzword "mansplain" irritates the sht out of me. And yet that lot have the audacity to moan on as to why we dont listen? The irony...
Nice that they are raising awareness, but some of this was cringeworthy and too preachy!
Tony is not a gentle and kind man in hollyoaks lol. Tom definitely is.
And yet he got shouted at by Lizzie for stating what something means to Theresa
He didn’t say anything wrong.
@Prod Gaming Exactly. I meant that Tom is a nice guy but yet he's being shouted at for doing nothing wrong
@@JJ-jx4imI see what you mean. Tony, Tom, Jack and Romeo are actually decent guys and yet Lizzie and Verity seemed to be giving them a hard time when they were just trying their best to support Maxine by explaining the situation to Theresa. Either way I'm surprised that Tony mentioned Natasha because she has largely been forgotten about since she died and Shebah Ronay who played her hasn't worked as an actress for some time.
if she doesnt know what mansplaining means its not toms fault is it
It’s actually sad that tony & the boys are making a joke about the whole situation, the fact tony cares more about views than helping woman just shows what type of person he is
I know right what is it about men in there little groups if there were any decent guys out in this world they would leave women alone. And I’m favouring Romeo to win I’m a celeb
I think he's probably just tired of being blamed for something someone else is doing the poor guy literally can't do anything right in the women's eyes.
@Then there was 1 exactly
This isn't down to Tony as a character it's down to the writers deliberately writing him this way to push the narrative forward
When have you ever seen Tony act like this before? Because I sure as hell don't remember Tony ever cracking jokes at sensitive subjects, they're just writing it so there's a reason to move the story
hang on tony said he would have covers so woman can cover their drinks yet is getting bashed yet was getting bashed when he was talking about making profits guy can't win. Maybe he should stop being blamed for other people's actions and like you woman have not made some disrespectful comments. Go look at those woman on a hen night all over romeo espeicially that woman who was getting married. Sick and tired of the man bashing on this show
Question:
Is it not her fault??
How do women in Amsterdam red light district attract pleasure seekers???
By wearing un-modest clothes !
It is the law of nature that a male gender gets aroused by female physical features. So if a female provokes those feeling in a man, who's fault is it then???
Needless to say , a (so called) MAN who behaves in such a manner is NOT a MAN 👎 .
As much as this is a preachy ridiculous and tom and romeo being called out for ... nothing ?
Self control does exist however in regards to your comment
Just have men talking and women tell them how stupid they are? Great
Only losers do take no for an answer you keep trying until you get her or him
Ew.
Either way, I don't think it's anything you need to worry about.
Are you on the register?
No that's the wrong way to be and would be being a bad person.
Nice idea if you want to go to prison
I hope Maxine get romantic with new man on future.
Her and Eric??
A gentleman never hurts women girls
same Vice Versa no one should be hurting anyone.