Not all the assets in this reenactment are 100% historically correct. MiG-21s in reality were PFL models while here they are represented by a more advanced bis variant. A proper Vietnam map is not yet available so another one was used and you might see some snow covered mountains in the background. These are not mistakes and there's no need to comment on them. Thank you for your understanding!
EXCELLENT - EXCELLENT - EXCELLENT....CONGRATULATIONS. Great description of this aviation historical event and, at the same time, paying tribute to the naval aviation community and the heroic effort of the Vietnamese trying to defend their homeland. THANKS.
Was watching dogfights series in the past. Nowadays I enjoy watching your channel. Surely there is a lot of background work to produce these great videos
Thanks for the feedback! Dogfights were one of my main inspirations for this content. It does take time to produce the videos and put them out at a regular pace. I wish time went a bit slower 😁
Another great video, and it's made that much more exciting by covering the mighty F-4 and MiG-21! Can't wait to see what you have planned for the Heatblur F-4E.
Those early Sparrows and sidewinders missiles were pretty unreliable back then, I'm surprised that the US military relied on them so much that they procured the F4 Phantom with out an internal 20mm cannon.
The cannon couldn't be used at supersonic speed. The USAF and Navy were still pretty much on the Korean war experience in which high speed was the key to success. They believed that dogfighting was a thing of the past, that's why they relied on missiles that were seen as miracle weaponry.
Contrary to popular belief the cannon didn’t have too many kills even after it’s integration into later variants. The missiles still came out on top despite their shortcomings.
If you notice, 99% of all turning and burning dog fighting done from Vietnam all the way up to today is done in the sub sonic speed range. Missiles are a whole lot more reliable today, but every fighter, be it the F22, F35, F15X, Euro/French, Russian all have internal guns. They're there when $h!t comes to shove and you need a gun.@@julosx
Ok but even as unreliable as those missiles were, they still got you faster shot from longer range and safer position. Vietnamese avoided dogfights so even if you had gun they would not stay for demonstration.
@@showtime112 Maybe occupied a Sparrow point. I saw a video the pods weren't stable so were unreliable. The E version with the canon is reliable. Greece still operates Pantom F-4 E. The first 14 came on April of 1974.
Another great story told by ST112. The gun question seems to be raising it's head again. The J-20 has no gun. The 25MM on the F-35 is having issues and some question that the F-35 will ever be in a situation to use it. It does not fight like a 4th gen aircraft at all and yet gets 20-1 victories at Red Flag with the USAF A model and 25-0 with the B model with the Marines.
Another interesting fact the PF series MiG-21 models didn't have internal gun either, a gunpod was incorporated to the PFM, but that meant they couldn't carry external fuel tank
Very accurate and information research done for this video. 🎉 congratulations. It is excellent that you distinguish the first generation F-4G from the second generation F-4G. Not too many people know about the 1st generation naval F-4Gs. Thanks for the great research and great job done.
Astonishing! Since this year we will celebrate many historical events of both Vietnam War and First Indochina War, this is truly meaningful to every Vietnamese subscribers!
Amazing video showtime! You really showed another side of the us army, a side that obviously tells us that not even the usa had the best reliability and shows how different a combat scenario can go compared to simulations where everything is 100% up and running
Thanks for the positive comment! Yes, this technology was definitely immature in the 60s. Even in Operation Desert Storm, Sparrow missiles were a bit problematic.
Great video Showtime112, the rule of engagement in the air war over North Vietnam was the most stupid rule in history of air combat the North Vietnam aircraft have to displayed hostile acts to be brought into battle, if spotted by American aircraft first not to be engage by the Americans, the North Vietnamese Pilots prefer hit and run attack which this rule of engagement gave them the advantage, there more North Vietnamese aces worse for the F4 pilots the lack of or no 20mm cannons on the early Phantoms this would have being a game changer in the air war over North Vietnam, the air to air missiles performance was poor with less than 10% success rate. Funny after Rolling Thunder campaign 1965 -1968, US Army, Marines, Airforce and Navy Gunships pilots 1969-71 begun to have similar rules not to engage North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong Soldiers and guerrillas fighters in South Vietnam after spotting them in the open without permission form the South Vietnamese army or they display hostile acts gave them the advantage to step up batteries of Mortars and Recoiless Rifles with enemy Infantry regiments to attack Fire bases.
Thanks a lot. I come across similar cases quite often. Dumbasses on the ground never even think that the guy coming down in a parachute might be a friendly. Even if he isn't, that's still despicable.
@@showtime112 Yeah, I'm being hesitant to start-up DCS, so I watch your videos instead - and enjoy! 😁 But, I do miss my A-4 - it's such a beautiful module.
That why Ho Chi Minh told is North Vietnamese Village and City Militias to carried the US pilots alive to the Goverment military they will get rewarded, I here Soviet Pilots shoot down over North Vietnam was killed by the Vietnamese too.
I here this from a Vietnamese forum discussing this the Russian have a tendency to hide facts about there military deaths and equipment during the proxy cold war.
@@bjornsmith9431 It would be interesting to see an authoritative citation for "Soviet Pilots shoot down over North Vietnam was killed by the Vietnamese too".
Great video. For U.S AIR FORCE, The F4-C and F-4D phantom models was equipped with a special cannon pod on prone position before they obtained the E model with his incorpored cannon in the noise, I think it was on 1967, maybe i'm not sure. But the US NAVY on 1969 created the TOP GUN ACADEMY for improving their pilots to the art of the dogfight failing to have a cannon on the J model. Anyway the rate of success of these missiles SIDEWINDER or SPARROW was around 11% or 12% during this war, you had to throw several for hoping to reach your opponent.
Salut Jeanne. Vendanges finies???. Beaucoup de missiles tirés pour 2 kills. Pas au top. Ce fut pas le cas aux Falkland avec les Sea Harrier.. D'ailleurs showtime m'a dit suite à mon envoi de photos et docs qu'il attendait un peu ( 1 a 2 semaine) de passer la 2e partie des Falkland Fitzroy car il s'est aperçu qu'il avait moins de vues et de likes a la 2e partie. Fait durer le suspense mais la , 2 Harrier vont prendre le dessus sur 4 A4B. J'oubliais. Le F4E est sorti fin 67. Les premiers blocks E ont un carénage du bout du canon plus court et biseauté
@@dominiqueroudier9401 Vendanges finies demain midi. Cela va être un super épisode. Pour le Phantom II, et oui trop confiance en la technologie, le canon remplace un couteau toujours utile dans un combat rapproché.
@@dominiqueroudier9401 Ils l'avaient installé sur les F-105 et pas sur les Phantom !!! C'est ballot, d'ailleurs des F-105 ont shooté des Migs avec une totale réussite entre 65 et 67. Je pense que c'est aussi la technologie du radar de 'époque afin de guider les SPARROW qui prenait trop de place dans le nez dans les premières versions.
Awesome video. The missile failure rate was way too high at that stage of the war. The Navy should have equipped their Phantoms with guns like the USAF did (later on). Oftentimes the MiG hit-and-run attacks were quite effective.
Imagine getting ki11 steal and received an assist in real life I bet he's rightfully pissed after getting his ki11 stolen and only received a ki11 assist from the attack
Dear friend. Just have Seen your vidéo on TV. Fortunately F8 Crusader was here for gunkill🔫. Sparrow and sidewinder have poor efficiency😢. I have found info about F4. Lt freeborn have F4 B no 152247 NK 202.. Lcdr D'avis F4B no150431 NK2?? I send you by mail small story of F4G lost in Vietnam. I visited also USS Intrépid in Manhattan NY 1994.👍🙋
7:19 I know this prefomace is probably attributed to the early missile technology but at that point that attack was becoming ridiculous I hate the f4 phantom for not having a gun from the very beginning. It should have taken half a dozen incidents like this before fighters were forbidden to go into mig territory without a gun to augment the missiles. We all saw a few years later what Israeli mirages ect did with their guns around the same time period. Yet here The amount of migs that got away over north Vietnam blows my mind. I’m such an advocate for gun armed fighters I probably wouldn’t be ok with a replacement for guns until we have lasers that can literally saw through anything that flys through its beam. Does anyone feel the same as me
Whaaat? My father flew f4s in Vietnam off the constellation!!! He flew many missions with plenty of engagements. Remember him saying how HORRIBLE the mig was at fighting. That they were all really concerned about it until they actually fought it given the russian hype behind it. He said it couldn't turn for shit, and was good only for straight line speed so they flew mostly in straight attacks, like theyd come hauling ass in, try to hit them, and then disengage to get distance. The US pilots quickly caught on to their tactics so theyd fly a separate formation, like some flying as the bait and after the mig attack, the guys flying off in the distance would come in and jump them. Clever tactic aint it 😂
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Not all the assets in this reenactment are 100% historically correct. MiG-21s in reality were PFL models while here they are represented by a more advanced bis variant. A proper Vietnam map is not yet available so another one was used and you might see some snow covered mountains in the background. These are not mistakes and there's no need to comment on them. Thank you for your understanding!
EXCELLENT - EXCELLENT - EXCELLENT....CONGRATULATIONS. Great description of this aviation historical event and, at the same time, paying tribute to the naval aviation community and the heroic effort of the Vietnamese trying to defend their homeland. THANKS.
Thanks once again! This war is full of stories and I could cover it exclusively for years without covering everything worth covering.
Great stuff, love the Vietnam-era recreations. Looking forward to the Heatblur F-4 making its appearance.
Thanks! I'm also looking forward to it!
Was watching dogfights series in the past. Nowadays I enjoy watching your channel. Surely there is a lot of background work to produce these great videos
Thanks for the feedback! Dogfights were one of my main inspirations for this content. It does take time to produce the videos and put them out at a regular pace. I wish time went a bit slower 😁
Beautiful and meaningful content consistently! Give Showtime112 the praise he deserves! Bravo, once more my friend. Best mil aviation channel ever
That sure is an amazing praise, I'm happy to hear it!
From the heart Showtime!❤❤❤❤ thank you for putting these up
Another great video, and it's made that much more exciting by covering the mighty F-4 and MiG-21! Can't wait to see what you have planned for the Heatblur F-4E.
Thanks a lot! The biggest problem with the F-4E is where to begin 😁
Great story as always.
Thank you very much!
Completely off topic:
You Sir have an impeccable musical taste!
Cheers!
I like to think so 😁 Thank you very much!
Excellent presentation and soundtrack of this aerial victory. Thanks as always Showtime 112! Classic Jimi take is awesome. ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇲🏁🇺🇦🔱🌻🏵️🌼🌸🏴☠️🏹
Once again, it's so nice to read your comments! Some will hate the music, no doubt 😁
Those early Sparrows and sidewinders missiles were pretty unreliable back then, I'm surprised that the US military relied on them so much that they procured the F4 Phantom with out an internal 20mm cannon.
The cannon couldn't be used at supersonic speed. The USAF and Navy were still pretty much on the Korean war experience in which high speed was the key to success. They believed that dogfighting was a thing of the past, that's why they relied on missiles that were seen as miracle weaponry.
Well, it was a clear case of a technology overestimate. Not the first one, probably not the last one 😁
Contrary to popular belief the cannon didn’t have too many kills even after it’s integration into later variants. The missiles still came out on top despite their shortcomings.
If you notice, 99% of all turning and burning dog fighting done from Vietnam all the way up to today is done in the sub sonic speed range. Missiles are a whole lot more reliable today, but every fighter, be it the F22, F35, F15X, Euro/French, Russian all have internal guns. They're there when $h!t comes to shove and you need a gun.@@julosx
Ok but even as unreliable as those missiles were, they still got you faster shot from longer range and safer position. Vietnamese avoided dogfights so even if you had gun they would not stay for demonstration.
Hi. Great video.
11:21 At some time they used pods with canon for Phantom versions who lacked one.
Thanks! Yes, there was the pod option but it wasn't an ideal solution as it occupied one hardpoint (and Phantoms were always short of fuel)
@@showtime112 Maybe occupied a Sparrow point. I saw a video the pods weren't stable so were unreliable. The E version with the canon is reliable. Greece still operates Pantom F-4 E. The first 14 came on April of 1974.
Another great story told by ST112. The gun question seems to be raising it's head again. The J-20 has no gun. The 25MM on the F-35 is having issues and some question that the F-35 will ever be in a situation to use it. It does not fight like a 4th gen aircraft at all and yet gets 20-1 victories at Red Flag with the USAF A model and 25-0 with the B model with the Marines.
Thanks! Who knows, maybe by now the gun really is obsolete?
@@showtime112navy F4 never got the 20mm and had way more k/d than airforce F4E.
Another great video! With better missiles and an internal gun these early dogfights might have had much better results on a regular basis.
Thanks a lot! Clearly, the early Phantoms relied too heavily on an immature technology.
Another interesting fact the PF series MiG-21 models didn't have internal gun either, a gunpod was incorporated to the PFM, but that meant they couldn't carry external fuel tank
Your callsign "showtime" sounds good with this vidéo. Will watch it Tomorrow in TV connected
You're right 😁 I really need to cover the victories of the aircraft carrying that callsign in the future.
Very accurate and information research done for this video. 🎉 congratulations. It is excellent that you distinguish the first generation F-4G from the second generation F-4G. Not too many people know about the 1st generation naval F-4Gs. Thanks for the great research and great job done.
Thanks! Yes, the naval F-4G is mostly forgotten and I couldn't help not talking a little about it as the opportunity presented itself :)
Astonishing! Since this year we will celebrate many historical events of both Vietnam War and First Indochina War, this is truly meaningful to every Vietnamese subscribers!
Thank you for the comment! I'm happy when people watch these old videos that deserved more views.
Great video 👍
Thanks a lot!
Amazing video showtime! You really showed another side of the us army, a side that obviously tells us that not even the usa had the best reliability and shows how different a combat scenario can go compared to simulations where everything is 100% up and running
Thanks! US armed forces in the 60s really weren't ideally prepared for a conventional conflict. But they learned some lessons from it.
@@showtime112 yea, definetly. They proved it in the gulf war
Muy bueno el vídeo Showtime 112 . No tenía ni idea de la poca fiabilidad de los misiles Sparrow y sidewinder 😮
Gracias
Thanks for the positive comment! Yes, this technology was definitely immature in the 60s. Even in Operation Desert Storm, Sparrow missiles were a bit problematic.
Great presentation. Thank you 😊
I appreciate it, thanks!
Amazing vid, loved the research, knowing who the pilots were, what happened to them. Thanks for the great work!
Thank you very much! I also like to get to know those individual stories.
Nice video 👍
Thanks!
Great video Showtime112, the rule of engagement in the air war over North Vietnam was the most stupid rule in history of air combat the North Vietnam aircraft have to displayed hostile acts to be brought into battle, if spotted by American aircraft first not to be engage by the Americans, the North Vietnamese Pilots prefer hit and run attack which this rule of engagement gave them the advantage, there more North Vietnamese aces worse for the F4 pilots the lack of or no 20mm cannons on the early Phantoms this would have being a game changer in the air war over North Vietnam, the air to air missiles performance was poor with less than 10% success rate. Funny after Rolling Thunder campaign 1965 -1968, US Army, Marines, Airforce and Navy Gunships pilots 1969-71 begun to have similar rules not to engage North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong Soldiers and guerrillas fighters in South Vietnam after spotting them in the open without permission form the South Vietnamese army or they display hostile acts gave them the advantage to step up batteries of Mortars and Recoiless Rifles with enemy Infantry regiments to attack Fire bases.
Thanks for another comment! Yes, Vietnam seems to be a good example how not to conduct a war.
If you can do a video about this specific test G variant, it would be great
Thanks for the suggestion. Might be a bit hard to do since that specific version isn't available in any simulation.
That poor Vietnamese pilot, sheesh. Survives the engagement only to be killed by some militia. Great video Showtime.
Thanks a lot. I come across similar cases quite often. Dumbasses on the ground never even think that the guy coming down in a parachute might be a friendly. Even if he isn't, that's still despicable.
Brilliant as usual.
I'm glad you think so, thanks!
a fresh showtime 112 drop! nice.
Thanks for the comment!
Yet another beautiful video! 👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻🍻🍻🙋🏼♂️
Good to hear from you again!
@@showtime112 Yeah, I'm being hesitant to start-up DCS, so I watch your videos instead - and enjoy! 😁 But, I do miss my A-4 - it's such a beautiful module.
@@PappaBear_yt It sure is!
Doslo je vreme i za tvog omiljenog Fantoma! Samo jako buraz! 💪😎
Avion sa možda najviše materijala za videa 😁 Barem među mlaznjacima. Hvala na komentaru!
👍👍👍 . . Brilliant . .
Thank you very much!
Bad luck for the MiG pilot to survive an ejection, only to be killed by his own side.
That why Ho Chi Minh told is North Vietnamese Village and City Militias to carried the US pilots alive to the Goverment military they will get rewarded, I here Soviet Pilots shoot down over North Vietnam was killed by the Vietnamese too.
@@bjornsmith9431 I didn't know that about the Soviet pilots.
I here this from a Vietnamese forum discussing this the Russian have a tendency to hide facts about there military deaths and equipment during the proxy cold war.
Yes, people on the ground don't seem to be very smart as there are plenty such cases in various wars.
@@bjornsmith9431 It would be interesting to see an authoritative citation for "Soviet Pilots shoot down over North Vietnam was killed by the Vietnamese too".
Nice job, a really funy story
Thanks for the comment!
Showtime 112 was the Phantom flown by Duke Cunningham and Drifty Driscoll when they shot down their first Mig
Yup, that's where the channel name comes from. I think they flew it for the second one as well.
better history than the history i learn at school 👍
I'm glad to hear you appreciate it, thanks!
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Thanks for the comment!
I'll give you a thumbs up just for the Hendrix like intro music.
Thanks! I couldn't wait to use it in a video once I found it.
A video about the story of Top Gun would be Awesome!!!
It would be a bit outside the usual format but who knows. Perhaps somedsy.
Great video. For U.S AIR FORCE, The F4-C and F-4D phantom models was equipped with a special cannon pod on prone position before they obtained the E model with his incorpored cannon in the noise, I think it was on 1967, maybe i'm not sure. But the US NAVY on 1969 created the TOP GUN ACADEMY for improving their pilots to the art of the dogfight failing to have a cannon on the J model. Anyway the rate of success of these missiles SIDEWINDER or SPARROW was around 11% or 12% during this war, you had to throw several for hoping to reach your opponent.
Thanks for the comment! I found info that Sparrow's kill rate was well bellow ten percent.
Salut Jeanne. Vendanges finies???. Beaucoup de missiles tirés pour 2 kills. Pas au top. Ce fut pas le cas aux Falkland avec les Sea Harrier..
D'ailleurs showtime m'a dit suite à mon envoi de photos et docs qu'il attendait un peu ( 1 a 2 semaine) de passer la 2e partie des Falkland Fitzroy car il s'est aperçu qu'il avait moins de vues et de likes a la 2e partie.
Fait durer le suspense mais la , 2 Harrier vont prendre le dessus sur 4 A4B.
J'oubliais. Le F4E est sorti fin 67. Les premiers blocks E ont un carénage du bout du canon plus court et biseauté
@@dominiqueroudier9401
Vendanges finies demain midi.
Cela va être un super épisode.
Pour le Phantom II, et oui trop confiance en la technologie, le canon remplace un couteau toujours utile dans un combat rapproché.
@@jeannezehner9450 Et quel canon ce Gatling.!!!
@@dominiqueroudier9401
Ils l'avaient installé sur les F-105 et pas sur les Phantom !!! C'est ballot, d'ailleurs des F-105 ont shooté des Migs avec une totale réussite entre 65 et 67.
Je pense que c'est aussi la technologie du radar de 'époque afin de guider les SPARROW qui prenait trop de place dans le nez dans les premières versions.
@showtime112
भाई please tell us your name and location. R u from IAF?
My name is not important, the channel's location can easily be found. I'm not a member of any organization, government or otherwise.
@@showtime112 Never meant to offend you Sir. My apology.
@@mascon1571 I'm not offended 😁
Awesome video. The missile failure rate was way too high at that stage of the war. The Navy should have equipped their Phantoms with guns like the USAF did (later on). Oftentimes the MiG hit-and-run attacks were quite effective.
Thanks a lot for the comment! Some kind of a gun naval version would have been a good idea. Improved fighter training wasn't a bad idea however.
Imagine getting ki11 steal and received an assist in real life I bet he's rightfully pissed after getting his ki11 stolen and only received a ki11 assist from the attack
Well, Freeborn then shot down the other MiG (originally attacked by his leader) so I imagine he wasn't too upset 😁
82ND AIRBORNE
Official version : " That bastard took away my mig!! "
Un Official version: " That Muther Fu**er jacked my Kill!! "
Yeah, I suppose that official version could have been censored a bit 😁
Upravo gradim F-4E Phantom II ,u zeleno ,zeleno ,sivoj kamuflaži iz sredine 80tih. Spangdahlem AB
Malo ti i zavidim 😉
@@showtime112 rekao bi ti gradi i ti. Ali ti radiš fantastične dokumentarce. Prerastao si RUclips
AIM-7 Sparrow... failing to hit your targets since Vietnam 😅
Do you work in marketing? 😁😁
Not a high yoyo but rather a barrel roll maneuver.
Hair splitter 😁
The Military industrial complex meeting expectations in providing excellent products as usual.
I'm sure they aplogised and issued prompt refunds.
Oh yes, they are well known for that kind of behavior 😁
In a 1960's fighter, with 1960's missiles, the crew should always shoot at least 2 missiles. 1 is unlikely to be enough.
That became the norm after a while, especially for Sparrow shots
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Thank you very much for the comment!
Dear friend. Just have Seen your vidéo on TV. Fortunately F8 Crusader was here for gunkill🔫. Sparrow and sidewinder have poor efficiency😢.
I have found info about F4.
Lt freeborn have F4 B no 152247 NK 202..
Lcdr D'avis F4B no150431 NK2??
I send you by mail small story of F4G lost in Vietnam.
I visited also USS Intrépid in Manhattan NY 1994.👍🙋
Hi! Thanks for another comment. I've received the emails and I'll take a look. I envy you a bit for that Intrepid visit 😁
@@showtime112 Will sent you 1994's pictures
È ancora oggi il più bello cacciabombardiere esistente.
Sono d'accordo, grazie!
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Thanks!
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Moj omiljeni period 😉
How frustung
7:19 I know this prefomace is probably attributed to the early missile technology but at that point that attack was becoming ridiculous I hate the f4 phantom for not having a gun from the very beginning. It should have taken half a dozen incidents like this before fighters were forbidden to go into mig territory without a gun to augment the missiles.
We all saw a few years later what Israeli mirages ect did with their guns around the same time period.
Yet here The amount of migs that got away over north Vietnam blows my mind.
I’m such an advocate for gun armed fighters I probably wouldn’t be ok with a replacement for guns until we have lasers that can literally saw through anything that flys through its beam.
Does anyone feel the same as me
You hate the Phantom?!!? Oh, come on man! 😁
Phabulous
No phighter like the Phantom 😁
@@showtime112 Phor sure
Whaaat? My father flew f4s in Vietnam off the constellation!!! He flew many missions with plenty of engagements. Remember him saying how HORRIBLE the mig was at fighting. That they were all really concerned about it until they actually fought it given the russian hype behind it. He said it couldn't turn for shit, and was good only for straight line speed so they flew mostly in straight attacks, like theyd come hauling ass in, try to hit them, and then disengage to get distance.
The US pilots quickly caught on to their tactics so theyd fly a separate formation, like some flying as the bait and after the mig attack, the guys flying off in the distance would come in and jump them.
Clever tactic aint it 😂
mod monkeys and their videos lol
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