If they make a more entry level model for consoles and pc I reckon they can easily take on the fannatec dd. Especially considering how well the g29 does in console spaces.
What do u mean more entry level? I paid the same amount for the dd pro with loadcell pedals, fanatec tricks u with there pricing, shipping is over $200 and duties another $150 at the end u pay the same as this wheel package.
Unfortunately this looks to be exactly that, an entry level DD. looking at the plastic construction limited rotation and lower quality buttons, power plug ect. Only thing they may do is sell a unit without truforce and a fixed wheel.
It's interesting, but not in the "I want it" way of interesting, it's rather "tie your cat's rear legs together and glue a sticky note on its head to watch it trying to walk funny" interesting. The prices are a bucket of ice cold water dropped on your head - not poured out, just dropped so it hits you bottom first. Design is questionable, but subjective. The biggest flaw in this is definitely going to be software, as just saying "g hub" is enough to give some people ptsd and logitech are seriously doing themselves a disservice if they're going to rely on it long term without completely overhauling it. Time will tell how it will work out when it hits the masses.
Hell right, G HUB is the bane of my existence as a Logitech G920 user prior to me getting a Moza R9. While SimPit is not the best thing in the world, it's miles ahead of G HUB in terms of stability. The bloody thing just works! I turn on the base - it gets detected, I go off to the races. With G HUB I had to relaunch the damned software all the time to make it recognize the wheel so that I could switch presets! Also, having the ability to use my smartphone to manipulate the wheel's settings without alt-tabbing is a great feature!
Thrustmaster should pack it in at this stage. They’ve been “marketing” a direct drive wheelbase for over a year with nothing coming out. Logitech just changed the game.
Well they just announced the thrustmaster dd will be fully announced in November. Also no one will buy this base, any other dd is better and I think the thrustmaster base will also be better.
eh. photos of this wheel have been leaked since last year. Nobody thought it would be dd. Not much far from thrustmaster. At least, they have finally confirmed that they are revealing it this november.
@@yourgrandmotherspimp1280 I'd say crazy bad tbh. Even asetek's new releases are infinitely better value. 1400 euro for a full setup(12Nm), & everything is upgradable without buying a whole new setup.
@@batuyavas2675 tbf I love sim racing but not enough games come out too justify getting a wheel like that anyway. Especially on xbox, assetto corsa and dirt rally 2.0 are all I play, wrc is shit now. If I was gonna get direct drive I'd go fanatec though
This is a very big step for Logitech, they stucked with the G27/29/923 wheel for ages. No really big steps until this. I hope this wheel does some good competition to Fanatec and other manufacturers. Good review.
They sucked? Yeah, that's bullshit. The G920 was best in it's class. Direct and definitve, gear-driven FFB. Whereas the T300 for example, feels rubbery and indirect, despite being more expensive.
@thingshappeningtopeople190 g920 is hot garbage compared to the t300. It was nothing more that a tasted up old G27. Ratchets, constantly clipping, shaking and buzzing for inexplicable reasons (real wheels don't do that). It was a con by logitech from the beginning.
It would be great if Logitech decide to sell this in Brazil/SA region where you can't really but any DD wheel from Fanatec/Moza etc, they could take an market that have no easy option. If they bring this to Brazil it would probably cost around 2k USD with taxes, but you can't really buy any other DD for less that 3/4k USD from a independent import, so would make this became an easy option for almost everyone who wants an DD wheel that is officially sold inside the country.
Same here in India. I bet there are several countries just like ours where there are no DD wheels or load cell pedals selling but where Logitech already have established themselves by selling the G29 and other peripherals. If Logitech brings their G Pro wheel and pedals to these markets they'll be the only choice and stand to make a lot of money.
Hope so.. the shifter they have right now is even more plastic than the g29. (do not buy) TH8A from TM is so much better but maybe too pricy for what it is even..
I hope they released different wheel rims for diferent racing styles... that one seems to work for everything but its better if you have a chance to use a proper formula or rally rim. Anyway I think both pedalset and wheel are overprized...
@@veryrare7647 Yes you are right.. I must say I hope ther released different rims SOON.. But anyways logitech ecosystem its so limited in rims.. Im sure it will come in the future but... When? I think they should have been released the wheel with at least 2 or 3 rims to choose from specially at that price point. Nowadays a lot of companies are offering that for less...
Fanatec CSL DD 8Nm is weak compared to Logi G pro. I have both. G pro 8Nm is more like 12Nm with stronger FFB and holding torque than fanatec 8Nm. No clipping too at high torque.
I realise this is an older review but @randomcallsign I have a question re: the Logitech wheelbase and wheel (not the pedals, I agree there's better for the money). If you had a choice between the Simagic Alpha Mini base and GT Neo wheel OR the Logitech G Pro base and wheel combo... which gives the better FFB and experience overall? (not factoring other ecosystem considerations at all, just based on quality of FFB and experience with the driving)
The weird thing is that on the website, it lists the F1 games as specifically not supporting the clutches. You'd think they'd be the games to support them, not be almost the only games not to
I wonder if they just mean "don't support them as analog linear clutches" because the F1 games (to my knowlegde) only have clutch usage in an on/off state at race starts.
@@TuxLetsPlay On the website, it simply says "Does not support dual clutches", so not much to go on. I've heard from a friend that the F1 games support the clutch paddle found on some Thrustmaster wheels, so it just comes off as confusing to me
I used the G29 for about 2 years on F1 2020 but I wanted to go Direct Drive. Here in Australia Fanatec is sold out everywhere, impossible to get and most of the others are too. So I went for the G9 Pro and it is fantastic. The more I get used to the fine adjustments it gets even better. The large plastic case I think is to make a channel for airflow all around to be sucked out the back with the 80mm exhaust fan. And the DD motor would be mounted directly to the bottom mounting plate. I also think the pedals are fantastic.
@@lovreperaic2757 i do sim flying/driving, start cheap see if you stick with it and how much you like it. if you only play a few times a month after testing it out keep with that wheel, but upgrade to mid if you play weekly and upgrade to this setup if you play daily in my opinion
A rack for the base and wheel. AND they're still making two different bases for the different consoles? Fuck that. Fanatec here I come. At least I can just buy an xbox wheel and slap it on a DD. Fuck this shit
Also purchased this today and have to say, for such an expensive piece of equipment, you'd think they would be more careful with the firmware update. My wheel appears to be stuck in said loop and probably bricked after running the Ghub firmware update. PSA Beware if you also purchase this wheel DO NOT UPDATE THE FIRMWARE until this issue is solved.
I hope this will encourage more games to implement Trueforce. I own a G923 and while the gear driver ffb it's what it is, with Trueforce supported games it's on another level of feel
It just connects the sound through the motors, that's basically trying to emulate the feel of a good wheel. This is the equivalent of having "7.1 surround sound" on headphones, which is just emulation. Sure it works, but it's nothing compared to a real thing when you try it out
@@pedrosilvaproductions totally true, but that's what I got and that's what I'll stick with. Never said it's better than pricier alternatives, it's just a very nice feature I hope will get a wider support in games (FH5 I'm talking to you 👀)
For $1000 USD for just the wheelbase, why wouldn't I just buy a Moza R9 with one of their nicer steering wheels? The only thing I see as the advantage of the Logi Pro is console compatibility, which thankfully does not matter to me in the slightest.
seeing the price, for me, Logitech is still one step behind. Since fanatec and simcube will release new stuff soon aswell and thrustmaster just came with a base for more entry. Also Moza is making big steps. Will be fun to see them compete with each other
@@DonVincenzooGame no not really, i mean yeah its nice but its by no means does it make enough of a difference in wich wheel i buy, i honestly find thrustmasters entry level products like the t150 and t248 to be a better value and better product overall than logitech g29 and would choose the t248 over the logitech pro wheel any day its lacking for $1000 product especially when you can get a bundle from moza or fanatec for much more future complete packages for about the same amount of money or less, overall logitech has a lot to learn when it comes to DD, id much rather see a higher end belt drive wheel from logitech than a lacking DD wheel
@@sword_racer185 how is it "lacking"? When I compare this to fanatec price wise fanatec only just beats it and thats at a power disadvantage and lack of trueforce.
@Lorien I'd recc9mend watching LTTs video on it, I'm sick and not in the right mind to explain it, it essentially comes down to its a good wheel but there are similar options for less money that come with better pedals as well. Tldr, its good but priced too high
Okay so you're liking the true force on the pro wheel, but you have yet to explain how exactly trueforce makes curbs feel even better, alongside those minor details. What about trueforce on this wheel makes it better than the g923, what differences can you feel in comparison? Other wheels have rumble motors as you mentioned, but nothing is compared with regards to the actual feel between the two, only adjectives describing it. If I sound critical, apologies, but if I'm watching this looking to make my purchase for a DD adjectives don't help
No they havent beat them but the logitech pro is still underatted due to the cheap look. People just dont get how pure and raw there ffb is at the moment on the dd. Thrustmaster also with there new dd is underatted and that one for 10nm feels more like others over 12nm because thrustmaster ffb is just so raw and weighty. Fanatec is still top though due to acceciblility of so many bases and pricing. If you account for everything I can get the 15nm dd with a wheel rim and then pedals for 1400. With the logitech its the same with pedals. So yeah fanatec still tops it thinking about everything. Simucube for pure enthusiats may be the best still well that and simagic which I actually think is better then people say I would choose simagic over any of it was purely for pc. Now listen if you main gt7 and or acc then you may want to consider logitech crazy right? Its that good like its so much more beyond any other brand it doesnt make sense. See me I love those damn pedals haha. I get it yall want stiff load cells but i dont. I can control my trail breaking more with more give just me and im a massive trail breaking purist. You on the other hand seem to like the others me i dont. Everyone loves fanatecs but me i didnt gel with that load cell. Luckily im not the only one but yeah all preference. I still think thrustamster has it pretty locked on the loadcell also.
Not really impressed to say the least. For the price point it just seems cheap. If this package came in at like 700 for the whole thing it would feel alot better imo.
Ecosystem my dude. They are trying to go the Apple route and make everything proprietary. I guarantee that once they build out the product line more (different wheels, pedal levels, shifters, handbrakes, etc...) they will drop the price and try to push fanatec and moza out the market.
@@stayoffthemarbles6790 if they wanted to push either of those out of the market they needed to launch at a lower price and create a captive audience. 2 massive mistakes here are that you cannot swap platform from ps to xbox or vice versa without buying the WHOLE BASE AND WHEEL all over again.. not allowing interoptability is a big no when you have a QR system like that. Should have done it the fanatec way and done PS in the base, and XBox in the wheel.. so stupid. They're not even close to competitive with anyone else with this right now, it's plastic and big and ugly and overpriced. Simple as that.
One thing I love about Ricardo's reviews on mods, equipment, gear etc etc is that he's always deadly honest... No sugarcoating, no fake hype just honest helpful market advice
Little suggestion about the microphone audio: I'm not sure if you've tampered with it, but the voice seems to stop too abruptly going from a word to another, like you've got some strong noise reduction that's not just removing the noise floor but even parts of the words.
even though this might be a good wheel, Ghub is not worth the trouble, Logitech doesnt take care of their software and this has been a problem for years now.
This is why I never do any firmware updates on my wheels. If its not broke don't fix it. Never did one on my TGT2 and definitely won't be on my G Pro. Not worth the risk of ending up with a 1100 quid paperweight
Just got this at $749 wheel and base on PC. I was looking at this and the moza r12. I'm happy with my choice. 2 year warranty, active cooling fan, and trueforce. Trueforce really is as good as mentioned, without it it feels like something is missing. Big con is no formula style wheel even now still nothing no shifters nothing nada zilch.
I'm interested to see if they have a new H shifter coming, and I like the idea of upgrading my g920 (pedals for now, hopefully shifter later) and then the wheelbase later
if I had to do it all over again I would go with thrustmaster.... Logitech hasn't made any aftermarket wheels for this thing yet and it has been over a year.
Your gate settings for the mic in this video is atrocious. Made you sound like a robot a lot of the time. Great review though but man did that mic annoy me
I want to see them come out with a pro level shifter to go with this one, to me that's a big weakness to not also have that.....Once they have that they can hurry up and take my money!
I'm in the same boat, although I just pulled the trigger. I think it's 100% going to happen. Their current shifter sucks and isn't even compatible without the adapter.
honestly...nearly no wheels..mostly plastic....for 1500€ i just bought the Moza R9 with the GS Wheel an really good pedals like the DC or similar...only pro of the Logitech is the console compatibility...but which console player is willing to spend about 2-3 grand? Base,Pedals Rig( no chance to use such a base with a table clamp) Seat and much more...thats 4-5 PS5 or Xbox.Would be much smarter to make a base in the range of the Moza R5 or the Fanatec Clubbase
This is a better review than Will's (no offense Will) review, especially the pedal part. You guys were both struggling under braking, Will more so. Yet he was really mellow providing his opinion, while you held nothing back. Which is what the potential consumer watching these reviews needs. Will was very visibly struggling, i was actually surprised he didn't bash them. He should've.
Amen to that I just went the route of 3d printing companies like 3d wrap that makes upgraded intervals and basically a replacement upgraded part for every part In the true force shifter and pedals and wheel. Makes a bigggg difference and makes it notchy and stays in gear without the appropriate amount of movement when changing gears
It is 2072. Earth has been ravaged by war and famine. Alien contact has been made. Humanity has become a spacefaring species and populated several terraformed planets. Thrustmaster is preparing to launch its 1st direct drive wheelbase.
I dont get why anyone would buy a loghitech dd wheel when u could get a fanatec especially when the fanatec csl dd is way cheaper. It would be like buying a 100 000$ kia, no matter how good it is it is still a kia
Logitech, Console first PC second. If someone wants a DD on console the cheapest wheel base Fanatec has available is the DD Pro 8nm at $600, CSL Load cell $300. That's $900 before adding a wheel. $140 for the cheapest wheel. 1040. It's a $220 undercut. But Logitech has features not on Fanatec DD. Trueforce, 3nm advantage and a display on the wheelbase. It's not a direct comparison, if anything the stronger base adds to the cost the most. Just buy the Fanatec if none of that matters. No brainer.
@@labounti no but if you look into the future and look at fanatec. They have many many wheels, peddals, wheel bases ect so if u are looking to upgrade eg: pedals fanatec has the V3 pedals or for the wheel you have countless options also fanatec are working on a better quickrelease. So why go for loghitech? Edit: the fanatec csl dd has ner to no flex with the 8NM
I find it so funny that once you get to DD wheels the market almost flips with Fanatec offering the cheapest option and Logitech offering one of the most expensive.
I’ve had the Logitech wheel for 3 months. There are no cables up snag. The cables are on the back of the wheel base. There is no possible way they will snag.
i now have this wheels its fantastic but why no new wheels when lots of the advertisements show McLaren F1 alot and Bubba Wallace from NASCAR Cup, you would think that we may have got an F1 and/or NASCAR rim by now but Logitech still silent, also still no G Pro Shifter.
The only reason to buy this over the Simagic Alpha mini is console compatibility. If you are a pc only user I would definitely go the Simagic route. Main stream reviewer's don't seem to get sent Simagic products to review hence they seem not to compare them.
This is pretty cool, though I kinda gave up on Logi (still love them for my G915 and G903) and went with the GT DD Premium from Fanatec. Which, just got shipped today! So, very excited. By the way, and please don't take this in an aggressive way, as it's not intended at all like that - but, your noise gate sir is very aggressive on your mic ;)
@@AIIM99 I had an issue with my rig actually and need to swap it out. BUT I did get a chance before my rig was discovered to be faulty to connect and try the GT DD Pro with GT wheel and CSL pedals (with load cell) and I gotta tell you I’m quite happy with it! I guess I might be a little stronger Thani give myself credit for because I was able to handle the force feedback easily, though it’s definitely no slouch at 8nm peak torque and it definitely made my arms tired after hours of racing. It’s a GREAT setup. Maybe one day I will upgrade to DD1 or DD2. But for now, this is a great system and it’s really easy to set up. They also have a lot of wheel options (I bought an extra McLaren GT3 wheel that recently arrived). Overall I’d definitely recommend it.
I mean, however good their hardware can be, all I had with Logitech recently is fragile hardware, and a steaming pile of software in the name of G Hub. I had a reddit post of a workaround for G Hub to even detect G29s, and after 3 years I still have people reaching out to me on how to fix. At this point, I just refuse to recommend Logitech to absolutely anyone
Great video. Some constructive feedback for you , Your noise gate on your vocal audio is too sensitive. It’s cutting off your “S” sounds and “D” sounds
It has everything it takes to be a good starting point for entry level DD peripherals, then you look at the price tag. More than 1 grand for this, is a suicide if you ask me.
Right lol we have plenty of hella expensive wheel bases already. Might as well go with the brands that already have experience and an ecosystem developed
@@stefanomazzarello4771 Sure. But if we also take into account the pedals which has a whole lot of plastic as a frame for the whole thing it makes it very meh. At this price point it has to be more than just function, it has to have a build quality and if something feels plastic it feels cheap. If the competion uses metal and you use plastic, then there is a clear difference of quality.
the price is so bad, i mean simply if you have over £1000+ to spend on a base pedals and wheel you will find alot of people would pick fanatec over logitech
UK pricing for this is £850. Which lines up nicely with the CSL DD Pro and mclaren wheel from fanatec, before shipping.. not sure why the €/$ price is so high but hey, makes a change for once we don't have to pay more than everyone else as usually the £ price is same as the $ price
Sounds relatively reasonable, but honestly if those pedals are that expensive then they're actually not that good in fact they'll be boardline trash. As Logitech themselves are expecting people to mod mostly likely from a 3rd party. But if they can compete with Fanatec new pedals then they will actually seem to okay. Price affects perceptions
UK prices are usually quoted inclusive of tax, which is why they end up around the same numerical value as the pre-tax dollar price. That £850 is before taxes, however, so you'd actually be paying £1,020.
Living in a third world country, Logitech here is a lifesaving brand that provides affordable entry level equipment. I thought that if one day Logi came to the DD market, that they would come to compete with 5nm Fanatec on a more affordable price and better product availability. But the day came and it did not happen. This price range is just obscene for us. So for me it's disappointing.
The fact you can drop 1k on a wheel from a company who makes one 30 dollar option for a shifter and no option for sequential of handbrakes is wild. Logitech needa up their game.
At least it's a start and possibly they'll realize it after awhile competing against the other's listed My added opinion is too they've had a g29 or something out for so long they might need to get the idea that they can't sale something for 250$ because it's literally been out for ever while only changing small things So might just be something like trying to source stuff or find a way to drop prices Not sure if that has anything to do with it? Just my thoughts
@@Modmaann They should make a G29 Gen.2 imo basically keep the principle of a cheap basic wheel and just reuse most proven components but make it a belt drive because gear drive is fucking trash and its the reason I dont use mine anymore: too noisy, too much cogging, too much play in the gears
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Nigel was a nice touch ;) Is it also "none more black" ?
Nice shoes, Dad
Any news if the shifter is compatible or a new one being made?
hopefully, mine wont brick :-)
Your review sold this item to me, thanks for the info🍺
If they make a more entry level model for consoles and pc I reckon they can easily take on the fannatec dd. Especially considering how well the g29 does in console spaces.
What do u mean more entry level? I paid the same amount for the dd pro with loadcell pedals, fanatec tricks u with there pricing, shipping is over $200 and duties another $150 at the end u pay the same as this wheel package.
For real. 5-6nm base, sub $500(get it at like $450) for base and rim. They'd kill.
Not so sure considering how big the fanatec ecosystem is
they should make a better G920 with better ffb and quick release and put it 250-350 dollars i would get it
Unfortunately this looks to be exactly that, an entry level DD. looking at the plastic construction limited rotation and lower quality buttons, power plug ect. Only thing they may do is sell a unit without truforce and a fixed wheel.
The fact that there is no eco system is a plus for me as I've spent my £1262 and now I cant spend anymore for a while lol
True that loll
This is the outlook I needed to see thank you
It's interesting, but not in the "I want it" way of interesting, it's rather "tie your cat's rear legs together and glue a sticky note on its head to watch it trying to walk funny" interesting.
The prices are a bucket of ice cold water dropped on your head - not poured out, just dropped so it hits you bottom first.
Design is questionable, but subjective. The biggest flaw in this is definitely going to be software, as just saying "g hub" is enough to give some people ptsd and logitech are seriously doing themselves a disservice if they're going to rely on it long term without completely overhauling it.
Time will tell how it will work out when it hits the masses.
Hell right, G HUB is the bane of my existence as a Logitech G920 user prior to me getting a Moza R9. While SimPit is not the best thing in the world, it's miles ahead of G HUB in terms of stability. The bloody thing just works! I turn on the base - it gets detected, I go off to the races. With G HUB I had to relaunch the damned software all the time to make it recognize the wheel so that I could switch presets! Also, having the ability to use my smartphone to manipulate the wheel's settings without alt-tabbing is a great feature!
Thrustmaster should pack it in at this stage. They’ve been “marketing” a direct drive wheelbase for over a year with nothing coming out. Logitech just changed the game.
Logitech had this prepared last year, even
TM said they will announce it before end of year, I think it will be soon now since logitech released theirs
Well they just announced the thrustmaster dd will be fully announced in November. Also no one will buy this base, any other dd is better and I think the thrustmaster base will also be better.
eh. photos of this wheel have been leaked since last year. Nobody thought it would be dd. Not much far from thrustmaster. At least, they have finally confirmed that they are revealing it this november.
lol so because they don't release it when you want it they should pack it in?
almost 1500 euros for the whole set,it's freaking crazy!
I agree
Crazy good or crazy bad?
@@yourgrandmotherspimp1280 I'll answer it for you. I'd crazy bad, it's a plastic direct drive wheel base 😂
@@yourgrandmotherspimp1280 I'd say crazy bad tbh.
Even asetek's new releases are infinitely better value. 1400 euro for a full setup(12Nm), & everything is upgradable without buying a whole new setup.
@@batuyavas2675 tbf I love sim racing but not enough games come out too justify getting a wheel like that anyway. Especially on xbox, assetto corsa and dirt rally 2.0 are all I play, wrc is shit now. If I was gonna get direct drive I'd go fanatec though
This is a very big step for Logitech, they stucked with the G27/29/923 wheel for ages. No really big steps until this. I hope this wheel does some good competition to Fanatec and other manufacturers. Good review.
the G29 only needs a few small-ish changes to be great again:
belt drive and stronger motors being the biggest one imo
They sucked? Yeah, that's bullshit. The G920 was best in it's class. Direct and definitve, gear-driven FFB. Whereas the T300 for example, feels rubbery and indirect, despite being more expensive.
@@alouisschafer7212 you're right, but that would rise the price.
@@LuizSPK yep and then what’s the point when the t300 is belt driven and been out for so long…and so easy to get and perfect for what it is
@thingshappeningtopeople190 g920 is hot garbage compared to the t300. It was nothing more that a tasted up old G27. Ratchets, constantly clipping, shaking and buzzing for inexplicable reasons (real wheels don't do that). It was a con by logitech from the beginning.
For some reason the comments are not being totally shown. DAMN YOU, RUclips
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Yeah it's fucking ridiculous.
Thrustmaster some time ago: get ready ppl, we are making DD wheel !!! It will be ready someday ... Meanwhile Logitech - surprise!!!!
Logitech; "surprise mother...."
They just said this week they will be showing it off on 17 November...
It would be great if Logitech decide to sell this in Brazil/SA region where you can't really but any DD wheel from Fanatec/Moza etc, they could take an market that have no easy option. If they bring this to Brazil it would probably cost around 2k USD with taxes, but you can't really buy any other DD for less that 3/4k USD from a independent import, so would make this became an easy option for almost everyone who wants an DD wheel that is officially sold inside the country.
Same here in India. I bet there are several countries just like ours where there are no DD wheels or load cell pedals selling but where Logitech already have established themselves by selling the G29 and other peripherals. If Logitech brings their G Pro wheel and pedals to these markets they'll be the only choice and stand to make a lot of money.
Yup I'm quite sad that Fanatec, Moza, etc don't see the huge sim racing community that we have here in South Africa.
I hope and look forward to them releasing a high end shifter🤞
Hope so.. the shifter they have right now is even more plastic than the g29. (do not buy)
TH8A from TM is so much better but maybe too pricy for what it is even..
What shifter is these and which one can I buy for the logitech g pro?
@@jrpadilla899 Looks like he's using Thrustmaster TH8A in the video. You can use any shifter that is connected via USB.
I hope they released different wheel rims for diferent racing styles... that one seems to work for everything but its better if you have a chance to use a proper formula or rally rim.
Anyway I think both pedalset and wheel are overprized...
we are talking about enthusiast price level gear here... it would be shot in a foot if logitech didn't plan to release whole ecosystem around Pro base
Exactly! Id prefer a fully rounded one as its more convenient for drifting and it looks better overall.
it was a QR for a reason
@@veryrare7647 Yes you are right.. I must say I hope ther released different rims SOON.. But anyways logitech ecosystem its so limited in rims.. Im sure it will come in the future but... When? I think they should have been released the wheel with at least 2 or 3 rims to choose from specially at that price point. Nowadays a lot of companies are offering that for less...
No thanks. Too expensive. Staying with my Fanatec DD Pro.
Fanatec CSL DD 8Nm is weak compared to Logi G pro. I have both. G pro 8Nm is more like 12Nm with stronger FFB and holding torque than fanatec 8Nm. No clipping too at high torque.
I realise this is an older review but @randomcallsign I have a question re: the Logitech wheelbase and wheel (not the pedals, I agree there's better for the money).
If you had a choice between the Simagic Alpha Mini base and GT Neo wheel OR the Logitech G Pro base and wheel combo... which gives the better FFB and experience overall? (not factoring other ecosystem considerations at all, just based on quality of FFB and experience with the driving)
The weird thing is that on the website, it lists the F1 games as specifically not supporting the clutches. You'd think they'd be the games to support them, not be almost the only games not to
I wonder if they just mean "don't support them as analog linear clutches" because the F1 games (to my knowlegde) only have clutch usage in an on/off state at race starts.
@@TuxLetsPlay On the website, it simply says "Does not support dual clutches", so not much to go on. I've heard from a friend that the F1 games support the clutch paddle found on some Thrustmaster wheels, so it just comes off as confusing to me
I used the G29 for about 2 years on F1 2020 but I wanted to go Direct Drive. Here in Australia Fanatec is sold out everywhere, impossible to get and most of the others are too. So I went for the G9 Pro and it is fantastic. The more I get used to the fine adjustments it gets even better. The large plastic case I think is to make a channel for airflow all around to be sucked out the back with the 80mm exhaust fan. And the DD motor would be mounted directly to the bottom mounting plate. I also think the pedals are fantastic.
Yeah, your right plus Logitech wheels are known for lasting a long time so they went for quality over style and over-engineered it to last forever.
@@mrwhatever9025 yup... still have my gt force
@rodmorgan7041 i am new to all of this. i am in dillema how to start. woth g29 or something like this or Fantech. what is your experience
@@lovreperaic2757 i do sim flying/driving, start cheap see if you stick with it and how much you like it. if you only play a few times a month after testing it out keep with that wheel, but upgrade to mid if you play weekly and upgrade to this setup if you play daily in my opinion
A rack for the base and wheel. AND they're still making two different bases for the different consoles? Fuck that. Fanatec here I come. At least I can just buy an xbox wheel and slap it on a DD. Fuck this shit
Also purchased this today and have to say, for such an expensive piece of equipment, you'd think they would be more careful with the firmware update.
My wheel appears to be stuck in said loop and probably bricked after running the Ghub firmware update.
PSA
Beware if you also purchase this wheel DO NOT UPDATE THE FIRMWARE until this issue is solved.
I bought the pedals cause the g29 one died and now Im thinking to get this. Everyone says its nice and all but its really expensive tho
This is not a "GAME CHANGER" in any way
I hope this will encourage more games to implement Trueforce. I own a G923 and while the gear driver ffb it's what it is, with Trueforce supported games it's on another level of feel
It just connects the sound through the motors, that's basically trying to emulate the feel of a good wheel. This is the equivalent of having "7.1 surround sound" on headphones, which is just emulation. Sure it works, but it's nothing compared to a real thing when you try it out
@@pedrosilvaproductions totally true, but that's what I got and that's what I'll stick with. Never said it's better than pricier alternatives, it's just a very nice feature I hope will get a wider support in games (FH5 I'm talking to you 👀)
Insanely expensive, you can have Fanatec DD1 with this heavy price Tag
With a bad QR
For $1000 USD for just the wheelbase, why wouldn't I just buy a Moza R9 with one of their nicer steering wheels? The only thing I see as the advantage of the Logi Pro is console compatibility, which thankfully does not matter to me in the slightest.
seeing the price, for me, Logitech is still one step behind. Since fanatec and simcube will release new stuff soon aswell and thrustmaster just came with a base for more entry. Also Moza is making big steps. Will be fun to see them compete with each other
This wheel make sense only for PS5 and Xbox users. On PC this is out of market
trueforce is really something that can make the difference
@@DonVincenzooGame no not really, i mean yeah its nice but its by no means does it make enough of a difference in wich wheel i buy, i honestly find thrustmasters entry level products like the t150 and t248 to be a better value and better product overall than logitech g29 and would choose the t248 over the logitech pro wheel any day its lacking for $1000 product especially when you can get a bundle from moza or fanatec for much more future complete packages for about the same amount of money or less, overall logitech has a lot to learn when it comes to DD, id much rather see a higher end belt drive wheel from logitech than a lacking DD wheel
@@sword_racer185 how is it "lacking"? When I compare this to fanatec price wise fanatec only just beats it and thats at a power disadvantage and lack of trueforce.
@Lorien I'd recc9mend watching LTTs video on it, I'm sick and not in the right mind to explain it, it essentially comes down to its a good wheel but there are similar options for less money that come with better pedals as well.
Tldr, its good but priced too high
Okay so you're liking the true force on the pro wheel, but you have yet to explain how exactly trueforce makes curbs feel even better, alongside those minor details. What about trueforce on this wheel makes it better than the g923, what differences can you feel in comparison? Other wheels have rumble motors as you mentioned, but nothing is compared with regards to the actual feel between the two, only adjectives describing it. If I sound critical, apologies, but if I'm watching this looking to make my purchase for a DD adjectives don't help
It's way overpriced. HOWEVER, Logitech makes solid stuff. Still overpriced considering what else is out in the market though.
Why so expensive???? in my country you can buy a frickin actual car for that money.
No they havent beat them but the logitech pro is still underatted due to the cheap look. People just dont get how pure and raw there ffb is at the moment on the dd. Thrustmaster also with there new dd is underatted and that one for 10nm feels more like others over 12nm because thrustmaster ffb is just so raw and weighty.
Fanatec is still top though due to acceciblility of so many bases and pricing. If you account for everything I can get the 15nm dd with a wheel rim and then pedals for 1400. With the logitech its the same with pedals. So yeah fanatec still tops it thinking about everything.
Simucube for pure enthusiats may be the best still well that and simagic which I actually think is better then people say I would choose simagic over any of it was purely for pc.
Now listen if you main gt7 and or acc then you may want to consider logitech crazy right? Its that good like its so much more beyond any other brand it doesnt make sense.
See me I love those damn pedals haha. I get it yall want stiff load cells but i dont. I can control my trail breaking more with more give just me and im a massive trail breaking purist. You on the other hand seem to like the others me i dont. Everyone loves fanatecs but me i didnt gel with that load cell. Luckily im not the only one but yeah all preference. I still think thrustamster has it pretty locked on the loadcell also.
Where is the ecosystem 😩😩 c'mon Logitech I WANT to give you my money, bring a shifter and handbrake already and a GT wheel
No one ever mention that not only do you get Trueforce thu the wheel but it sends it to your pedals too.
Not really impressed to say the least. For the price point it just seems cheap. If this package came in at like 700 for the whole thing it would feel alot better imo.
Fanatec's 8NM DD for PC/PS5 Wheel base alone is $600 so keep dreaming.
Price point is insane, as are the mounts why on earth not just make it like every other DD in terms of bottom mount
Ecosystem my dude. They are trying to go the Apple route and make everything proprietary. I guarantee that once they build out the product line more (different wheels, pedal levels, shifters, handbrakes, etc...) they will drop the price and try to push fanatec and moza out the market.
@@stayoffthemarbles6790 if they wanted to push either of those out of the market they needed to launch at a lower price and create a captive audience. 2 massive mistakes here are that you cannot swap platform from ps to xbox or vice versa without buying the WHOLE BASE AND WHEEL all over again.. not allowing interoptability is a big no when you have a QR system like that. Should have done it the fanatec way and done PS in the base, and XBox in the wheel.. so stupid.
They're not even close to competitive with anyone else with this right now, it's plastic and big and ugly and overpriced. Simple as that.
I need to try it to feel the different with my G25.🤣🤣🤣
One thing I love about Ricardo's reviews on mods, equipment, gear etc etc is that he's always deadly honest... No sugarcoating, no fake hype just honest helpful market advice
They are asking too much for the price.
change that title lol
MICRO USB IN 2022 ?!??
WTF logitech. At that price point it HAS TO be USB C.
guess few more cents for usb C is too much for logitech
Little suggestion about the microphone audio: I'm not sure if you've tampered with it, but the voice seems to stop too abruptly going from a word to another, like you've got some strong noise reduction that's not just removing the noise floor but even parts of the words.
even though this might be a good wheel, Ghub is not worth the trouble, Logitech doesnt take care of their software and this has been a problem for years now.
*sim racers need to just buy a miata or Civic at this point* 😂
This is why I never do any firmware updates on my wheels. If its not broke don't fix it. Never did one on my TGT2 and definitely won't be on my G Pro. Not worth the risk of ending up with a 1100 quid paperweight
Just got this at $749 wheel and base on PC. I was looking at this and the moza r12. I'm happy with my choice. 2 year warranty, active cooling fan, and trueforce. Trueforce really is as good as mentioned, without it it feels like something is missing. Big con is no formula style wheel even now still nothing no shifters nothing nada zilch.
I'm interested to see if they have a new H shifter coming, and I like the idea of upgrading my g920 (pedals for now, hopefully shifter later) and then the wheelbase later
Why you need fancy swiffer, go do sticks shift driving ?
they sell a cheap USB box, use any pedals er what ever...
@@lucasRem-ku6eb I'm currently limited to what will hookup to the xbox, it's not so plug and play
Everyone agrees that is overpriced.
And I think the steering wheel is too small considering the price. The size would be ok for 350, not for 1000.
if I had to do it all over again I would go with thrustmaster.... Logitech hasn't made any aftermarket wheels for this thing yet and it has been over a year.
Too expensive
In this video you're using a gear shifter with the Logitech Pro. What shifter are you using?
Except it’s more expensive than it’s competitors and has less modulability. They haven’t beat the top dogs yet
Your gate settings for the mic in this video is atrocious. Made you sound like a robot a lot of the time. Great review though but man did that mic annoy me
I want to see them come out with a pro level shifter to go with this one, to me that's a big weakness to not also have that.....Once they have that they can hurry up and take my money!
I'm in the same boat, although I just pulled the trigger. I think it's 100% going to happen. Their current shifter sucks and isn't even compatible without the adapter.
they look good but I still like my thrustmaster and would like to upgrade to fanatec when i can
honestly...nearly no wheels..mostly plastic....for 1500€ i just bought the Moza R9 with the GS Wheel an really good pedals like the DC or similar...only pro of the Logitech is the console compatibility...but which console player is willing to spend about 2-3 grand? Base,Pedals Rig( no chance to use such a base with a table clamp) Seat and much more...thats 4-5 PS5 or Xbox.Would be much smarter to make a base in the range of the Moza R5 or the Fanatec Clubbase
Quick answer: no
Fanatec is better
Low quality
This is a better review than Will's (no offense Will) review, especially the pedal part.
You guys were both struggling under braking, Will more so. Yet he was really mellow providing his opinion, while you held nothing back. Which is what the potential consumer watching these reviews needs. Will was very visibly struggling, i was actually surprised he didn't bash them.
He should've.
Still waiting for a new Logitech gear shifter
Amen to that
I just went the route of 3d printing companies like 3d wrap that makes upgraded intervals and basically a replacement upgraded part for every part In the true force shifter and pedals and wheel.
Makes a bigggg difference and makes it notchy and stays in gear without the appropriate amount of movement when changing gears
It is 2072. Earth has been ravaged by war and famine. Alien contact has been made. Humanity has become a spacefaring species and populated several terraformed planets. Thrustmaster is preparing to launch its 1st direct drive wheelbase.
and rockstar launch gta-6🤣
Fanatec teased once more their QR2
I thought it'd look better, considering it's price
No way @$$$ wil this succeed!
love the idea, but with Fanatecs ecosystem, there´s a shitload to catch up with. They havent even got a formula style wheel to begin with.
Overprized 🤷♂️ body from plastic with fan 😅 no eco-system
$1800 for a racing setup? Logitech you good bro? why would anyone buy this over fanatec or Moza. SMH
If everyone gets this for more realism why do you want the wheel to spin infinitely?
I dont get why anyone would buy a loghitech dd wheel when u could get a fanatec especially when the fanatec csl dd is way cheaper. It would be like buying a 100 000$ kia, no matter how good it is it is still a kia
Logitech, Console first PC second. If someone wants a DD on console the cheapest wheel base Fanatec has available is the DD Pro 8nm at $600, CSL Load cell $300. That's $900 before adding a wheel. $140 for the cheapest wheel. 1040. It's a $220 undercut. But Logitech has features not on Fanatec DD. Trueforce, 3nm advantage and a display on the wheelbase. It's not a direct comparison, if anything the stronger base adds to the cost the most. Just buy the Fanatec if none of that matters. No brainer.
@@labounti no but if you look into the future and look at fanatec. They have many many wheels, peddals, wheel bases ect so if u are looking to upgrade eg: pedals fanatec has the V3 pedals or for the wheel you have countless options also fanatec are working on a better quickrelease. So why go for loghitech?
Edit: the fanatec csl dd has ner to no flex with the 8NM
@@christopher8747 Options, its good to have options.. People will buy what they want.
@@labounti yea i just gave my opinion on it.
Just wish they made a pro shifter and hand e brake
I find it so funny that once you get to DD wheels the market almost flips with Fanatec offering the cheapest option and Logitech offering one of the most expensive.
That big wheel base gets in a way of proper dash cam view for simulation Won't be able to see the instrument panel through the wheel. Sucks!
Finally a wheel review from someone who can drive in multiple disciplines with confidence. Great review man
I hope they make a cheaper 5 NM model in the future, it would probably sell extremely well too
cheaper ?
You will see them cheaper soon, the MOMO force on release, or the $100 later models. give them 5 years !
making excuses not to add 360 when they could use a slip ring connector, are they dumb!
Having to use Ghub would stop me from ever investing in this setup
Big red flag already: 2 cables that can snag from rotation on a wheel is not a good deal, especially at this price point
I’ve had the Logitech wheel for 3 months. There are no cables up snag. The cables are on the back of the wheel base. There is no possible way they will snag.
these go to 11 , lmao
For that price, they are selling you plastic pedals when you could easily buy the CSL Pedals with LC or the V3.
i now have this wheels its fantastic but why no new wheels when lots of the advertisements show McLaren F1 alot and Bubba Wallace from NASCAR Cup, you would think that we may have got an F1 and/or NASCAR rim by now but Logitech still silent, also still no G Pro Shifter.
Great video my guy! Just one thing, please turn down the Noise Gate in your voiceover. 😅😅
Micro USB on a $1000 wheelbase? WTF
The only reason to buy this over the Simagic Alpha mini is console compatibility. If you are a pc only user I would definitely go the Simagic route. Main stream reviewer's don't seem to get sent Simagic products to review hence they seem not to compare them.
This is pretty cool, though I kinda gave up on Logi (still love them for my G915 and G903) and went with the GT DD Premium from Fanatec. Which, just got shipped today! So, very excited.
By the way, and please don't take this in an aggressive way, as it's not intended at all like that - but, your noise gate sir is very aggressive on your mic ;)
Hi I’m thinking about to buy the gt dd aswel but is it better I want your opinion on it
@@AIIM99 I had an issue with my rig actually and need to swap it out. BUT I did get a chance before my rig was discovered to be faulty to connect and try the GT DD Pro with GT wheel and CSL pedals (with load cell) and I gotta tell you I’m quite happy with it!
I guess I might be a little stronger Thani give myself credit for because I was able to handle the force feedback easily, though it’s definitely no slouch at 8nm peak torque and it definitely made my arms tired after hours of racing.
It’s a GREAT setup. Maybe one day I will upgrade to DD1 or DD2. But for now, this is a great system and it’s really easy to set up.
They also have a lot of wheel options (I bought an extra McLaren GT3 wheel that recently arrived).
Overall I’d definitely recommend it.
That photoshop next to the bmw made me crack up
I absolutely love my g923 when it stops working if I can't fix I'll buy direct drive
I mean, however good their hardware can be, all I had with Logitech recently is fragile hardware, and a steaming pile of software in the name of G Hub. I had a reddit post of a workaround for G Hub to even detect G29s, and after 3 years I still have people reaching out to me on how to fix. At this point, I just refuse to recommend Logitech to absolutely anyone
No
Great video. Some constructive feedback for you , Your noise gate on your vocal audio is too sensitive. It’s cutting off your “S” sounds and “D” sounds
You sound like you’re lagging
It has everything it takes to be a good starting point for entry level DD peripherals, then you look at the price tag. More than 1 grand for this, is a suicide if you ask me.
Right lol we have plenty of hella expensive wheel bases already. Might as well go with the brands that already have experience and an ecosystem developed
Simply it is not an entry level...
@@stefanomazzarello4771 The plastic says something different..
@@kiiroMADE the plastic is only outside is a cover
@@stefanomazzarello4771 Sure. But if we also take into account the pedals which has a whole lot of plastic as a frame for the whole thing it makes it very meh. At this price point it has to be more than just function, it has to have a build quality and if something feels plastic it feels cheap. If the competion uses metal and you use plastic, then there is a clear difference of quality.
Seems really nice but Micro USB? Seriusly Micro USB on a 1000€ Product wich comes out in 2023? What are they smoking??
im on g29 but casual player- looking forward to see new wheel dlc for logitech. maybe in 1 year will buy this
Moza R9: Small boi
CSL DD: Medium boi
Logitech G Pro: OH LAWD HE COMIN
Another excellent review. You’re killing it at the moment dude!!!
would love a DD wheel but cant deal with blowing a grand. still rocking my T500rs 5nm
I Don't believe that it has better force feedback in ACC than Simucube
the price is so bad, i mean simply if you have over £1000+ to spend on a base pedals and wheel you will find alot of people would pick fanatec over logitech
UK pricing for this is £850. Which lines up nicely with the CSL DD Pro and mclaren wheel from fanatec, before shipping.. not sure why the €/$ price is so high but hey, makes a change for once we don't have to pay more than everyone else as usually the £ price is same as the $ price
Sounds relatively reasonable, but honestly if those pedals are that expensive then they're actually not that good in fact they'll be boardline trash. As Logitech themselves are expecting people to mod mostly likely from a 3rd party. But if they can compete with Fanatec new pedals then they will actually seem to okay.
Price affects perceptions
UK prices are usually quoted inclusive of tax, which is why they end up around the same numerical value as the pre-tax dollar price. That £850 is before taxes, however, so you'd actually be paying £1,020.
@@AJCham ah yes you're correct, it isn't including taxes for some reason...
Living in a third world country, Logitech here is a lifesaving brand that provides affordable entry level equipment. I thought that if one day Logi came to the DD market, that they would come to compete with 5nm Fanatec on a more affordable price and better product availability. But the day came and it did not happen. This price range is just obscene for us. So for me it's disappointing.
350$ for this pedals set? What? I would expect 150-200...
The fact you can drop 1k on a wheel from a company who makes one 30 dollar option for a shifter and no option for sequential of handbrakes is wild. Logitech needa up their game.
It's Logitech... It's where you went to have fun on a budget for a short while
Idk about that price.
Actually lol’d when you compared it to the beamer 😂
I honestly think the price is simply too high compared to what Fanatec and Moza offers
At least it's a start and possibly they'll realize it after awhile competing against the other's listed
My added opinion is too they've had a g29 or something out for so long they might need to get the idea that they can't sale something for 250$ because it's literally been out for ever while only changing small things
So might just be something like trying to source stuff or find a way to drop prices
Not sure if that has anything to do with it? Just my thoughts
@@Modmaann They should make a G29 Gen.2 imo basically keep the principle of a cheap basic wheel and just reuse most proven components but make it a belt drive because gear drive is fucking trash and its the reason I dont use mine anymore:
too noisy, too much cogging, too much play in the gears
definitely no backlash at 8:34