Hubless Wheel Motorcycle by Billy Lane
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024
- Famous motorcycle builder Billy Lane of Choppers Inc. rides his insane hubless bike and explains how it works.
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this video is Atleast ten years old. Billy lives in Tennessee and does a lot of really old stuff now. Original F-Head motors and flat track stuff. There was also another builder from the US who claimed to have invented the hub less wheel design as well. Billy and him had a Biker Build Off episode against each other. Billy did some time in prison behind a drunk driving accident and it changed his Life, for the better. Always love n respect Billy. Kept me going when I was in prison myself.
@Nedd Flanders when I was in prison I wanted to write him because he was locked up at that time too but I figured he had so much mail coming in it would be a waste. Such a shame he accidentally killed another biker. When he got out that’s when he was done with Florida and moved to Tennessee
Love what Billy and Jesse do with motorcycles actually what all builders making these awesome bikes!!! 👍✌️
Met Billy in ATL...good dude, glad he's back doing his thing after his problems.
What problems
@@ty0boil212 google it
Unfortunately crushing a fellow biker had no effect on Billy, but destroyed a Park Ranger Deputies Family forever....
I've seen slightly different designs for a rimless bike but this one looks the angriest and coolest. The perfect blend of "Mean" and "Sleek".
You can tell the entire bike was a labor of love but that rear end looks fantastic.
I've always been...and probably always will be...a sport bike enthusiast. At the same time, I'm an artist and really appreciate the art aspect of custom V-Twin American motorcycles, and this bike is an absolute MASTERPIECE.
Good to see you back Billy this is Rick we met a few times in Cincinnati and Arizona at the bike show many years ago good to have you back
This was shot in 2004.
I think he is one of the best builders. It is amazing to me that a human can have such an eye for creating but also the ability to make it.
We humans have been creating and building for millennia.
Is this hubless safe to long ride? I doubt it
@@hasanraza4650
Why wouldn't it be?!?! The hub/ bearing setup looks extremely strong/ robust/ large to help dissipate heat, and well designed. As long as the bearing/ races stay in tact, don't overheat, are preloaded, torqued, etc I don't see any issue. Bike is sick and Billy is one of the best. Pretty sure he rides his stuff pretty long distance unlike a lot of 'trailer queens,' so if there was going to be some sort of catastrophic failure I'm pretty positive it would've happened pretty quickly into the R&D or test riding phase. Maybe someone who is more familiar with it can shed some more light. I've been turning wrenches over 25 years at dealers, indies, and finally my own business, so I'm definitely not ignorant to this type of stuff.
@@hasanraza4650 it's a bearing from a helicopter rotor. If its safe for that, a motorcycle isn't a problem.
@@hasanraza4650he rode one of his hubless bikes a good ways for his chopper build off so I’d say it’s safe
I’m sure they wore their jewelry it was for the camera. I have been a fabricator for 25 years and that’s a major safety hazard. I don’t wear anything except for protective garments. I know several people, all diy guys that ended up with some bad injuries from jewelry they wore. The one that sticks out is a guy had his wedding ring on and touched a positive along with a ground and burned his finger really badly had to cut off the ring, left a ring sized wound about 1/4” deep.
Yeah Osha would have a field day at that shop.
Nah this is how he is.I don't think he'd out jewelry on for a camera.Spent some time with this bike,in the old shop,and him.Cool guy.Local Tennessean now
He's riding a hubless chopper with a suicide shift and an open primary, wearing frayed jeans, and a wifebeater, no helmet. He's working on a milling machine, with lose, long hair, and no goggles. I don't think he's putting on a show for the camera- I think that he's just less of an "ATGATT" kind of guy, and more of an "DILLIGAF" mindset (for better or worse).
(Some guys just care more about looking cool, than they care about insignificant little details like retaining all their fingers, or keeping their skin attached to their body...)
In the late 90s early 2000s I shared a garage with a guy who was big into the chopper scene/ discovery channel fad....he had biker friends come over who were just dumber than rocks......ever have to tell a grown man he was on fire cause a welding spark landed in his flannel shirt pocket and he did not notice the smoke and flames?
@@jasonrackawack9369 lmfao that’s hilarious
I love the bikes you build brother. Good to see you back Billy
Long hair and machine shops always gave me the willies
Same.
Definitely when it gets caught and scalps him. And no eye or hand protection and all that jewelry. I have been fabricating for 25 years in NASCAR. Those guys will look so much cooler with eye patches, nubs, and a scalped head. SMH 🤦🏼♂️
How about using a grinder and not wearing googles? About as dumb as it gets.
This channel always has the coolest rides weather it’s a car bike or a truck this channel will have the coolest.
the best laid plans of mice and men. billy was really full of himself during the biker build off shows, then prison. Billys new channel shows a humbled and appreciative billy and I wish him and his new bike shop great success
Billy parked his bike next to Billy Gibbons bike in the front yard one night of having too much fun in Sturgis and Johnny Pag and I pushed it around back for safe keeping. Should had seen his face when he didn't see the bike the next morning.
That's great. Here you got a sweet prank out of doing something kind.
That's great, a good deed, I bet he shit a brick!!
i had friends do that to me years ago to teach me a lesson about leaving my bike in my driveway unlocked all the time. they pushed it into my backyard and i never heard them.
Old Billy. Man has gotten it together, now the dreads are gone. Still ridin free.
@@MSZSNeoBahamut19 dreads are skanky and nasty AF
@@MSZSNeoBahamut19 dreads not pulled back in a ponytail are a huge safety hazard in a fab shop. Just imagine what would happen if they got caught in a spinning machine. He just got scalped. I have been fabricating in NASCAR for 25 years so I’m very familiar with the hazards of the job. Thankfully I’ve been relatively safe. Got metal in my eye once while wearing safety glasses. Hurts like hell removing it. They use a tiny drill. I have seen and heard some horror stories. This one guy lost a finger because he was wearing a ring, and no gloves like these fools.
This is just as cool as it was back 20yrs ago when he did that.
Man.....I feel old
Billy Lane is the most humble guy! Unlike all the other bike builders!
Ya you'd be humbled too after plowing down a guy riding his motorcycle, head on, mangled his body near every bone crushed as Billy drove over him.....Funny how Billy's Bad Biker Dreadlocks disappeared before a Federal Judge, Funny how Billy's Biker Leathers became a Corporate Suit before a Federal Judge. Funny how Billy Tuck Tailed to get out of a lengthy stiff prison term...plea deal like a boy instead of owning up that he killed a fellow biker...sad how FAKE some of these Biker Guy Build off's are when standing before and kissing the ass of a Federal Judge!!
Glad I was in the shop when he made this
He and Nick also made the ape hanger raisers with 44 magnum shells insirted I still have them in my fxr till this day
Sick rides as usual billy. Absolutely beautiful
Billy has always been a crazy good builder
and a rip off artist.
God Slayer ???
@@godslayer1415 nah. You can tell a Billy Lane build from a mile away
the baddest! Billy Lane builds insane!
Franco Sbarro gets the credit for the hubless design way back in the 80's. The trouble with hubless wheels is, the roller-bearing diameter has to be so large, the rollers inside the bearings will be spinning many times faster than regular hub bearings per wheel/tire revolution.
Yess just the comment I was looking for knew something about this design isn’t right thanks G also notice the amount of noise coming from it at a relevantly low speed 35-40mph makes me think this is something that has to be replaced often with few miles and bumps.
@@nobullshit9721 Yep After thinking about it before, since the load is relatively light, the only way I see that he could get away with it would be customizing a scaled-up large Ball-Type bearing set up similar to the large Ball-Type bearings that are in Paxton Superchargers with recirculating Lubrication.
The Paxton SCs handle rpm's in excess of 50k+ rpms easily, even with those large bearings housings that have 1/2"+ diameter Balls in them. If memory serves me correctly, both fore and aft bearing-races in the Paxton's are an O-Ring sealed, Clam-Shell style housing, containing the steel balls and recirculated engine crankcase oil. As a plus, those type of bearings systems dampen their own harmonics with the recirculating oil.
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT Dual roller bearings under torsional load from the lock ring would probably be fine.. if thats not already whats been done here. Ball bearings would suck ass in this application. A supercharger bearing has almost no axial load.
Yes I saw a TV show many years ago featuring Franco Sabaro and the hubless motorcycle he built think it was in the mid 1980s
@@multishit6664 Did you not read my original post?? The Roller Bearings are the cause of the whole problem, Mr Mentality. RollerBearings that large in diameter can't handle high speeds.
Ball-Bearings handle extreme loads on ALL axis and can do it at high-speeds!! Roller-Bearings can't. Plus roller-bearings need a pre-load to keep the rollers from "bouncing" between the inner and outer race (aka harmonics) and self-destructing. The larger the roller-bearing, the more required pre-load, which lowers it's speed-rating. Ball-Bearings aren't handicapped by those issues.
That bike doesn't have enough azz to qualify as a significant "Load" for such huge roller-bearings. The roller-bearings on that bike are about 18-20inches in diameter. The outer bearing-race has a rolling surface circumference of about 60in. Each of those rollers in those huge roller-bearings are at least 1/2" diameter and have a circumference of 1.57in. So that means each roller in those huge roller-bearings, has to spin over 38 times every tire revolution. That's over 30,000 rpms @ 60mph!! The harmonics alone must be through the roof!
Stock wheel bearing rollers on bikes and cars only spin about 8 times per tire revolution. That's only about 6500rpms @ 60mph.
Franco sbarro invented the hubless wheel in the 80s
But it was lame. Wobbles and surges.
1989 to be precise.
Lane is a poser
Yep and people don't realize it's a dumb idea to start with. The trouble with hubless wheels is, the bearing diameter has to be so large the rollers inside the bearings will be spinning 30-40 times faster than regular hub bearings per wheel/tire revolution. Large diameter bearings are designed for heavy load not high-speed. I've seen large diameter bearings explode with far less rpms.
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT needle bearings are designed for high-speed not ball bearings
@@thecloneguyz I said "Roller Bearings" they're cylindrical. Where'd you get "Ball-Bearings" from? 🤣😂🤣
BTW, You've got it backwards. Paxton Superchargers and other Turbochargers run up to and beyond 100k+ rpms and they use large (13-19mm) diameter Ball Bearings, lubricated by circulated engine oil to keep them cool. Now if Franco or Billy would've integrated the lubricated Ball-Bearing setup, they would last much longer.
Dude grinding with no glasses on. Bad idea. Please wear your safety glasses folks. Did you see how they saved Kentucy Ballistics right eye the other month? WEAR EM!
I understand you are trying to help but please, this is a free country.
I,m just sayin'
Exactly, I welded in a blacksmithing shop for a little while and I actually got a random little piece of metal embedded in my contact lense when I took my safety glasses off for a moment, imagine if I wasn't wearing contacts that day.
Be safe.
@@N-Scale Free doesn't mean you SHOULD be stupid just cause you can.
@@aaa69200 Bingo! Perfect response!
@@N-Scale you’re right. People are free to be idiots all they please.
This has got to be over 10 years old since 1st on TV.
Shot back in 2004.
Sbarro invented the hubless wheel and they were featured on his company's motorcycles powered by a Honda CBX inline 6 in the 80s..
I love the lack of safety glasses with sparks flying right past his head...😂
haha!😄
Mel Bch 🌴 Billy was our neighbor down in Floridana Beach. Good guy 👌 🏄
I'm not sure how comfortable it would be but it's a beautiful bike
Jonathan Davis called and he wants his hair back
Team work makes the dream work
Wow, I haven't heard that in about 30 years! 😎
2:10 Yeah can we just get a shot of you making sparks? Would look cooler with no eye protection
And all those metal rings on his fingers while working with power tools and machinery! That seems like a smart thing. I have bean a diesel mechanic and steel fabricator my whole life and I never wear jewelry, ever! My dad was a machinist and when he got married he wore his wedding ring for the day, took it off and put it my mom's jewelry box. It sat there until he passed away at which time my mom put it back on and buried him. I never wear jewelry, with all the dirt and dust flying around it would seem to me to feel uncomfortable.
Dude grinding metal with no safety glasses bad idea. Safety first.
@rufio777 I'm sure he'll look really cool with one milky dead eye when a flaming piece of metal flies in it.
He had safety glasses they are just on his head
@@TrafficTravelDelight Doesn't matter if he had them on his head or hanging from his shirt. They weren't on his eyes.
Safety bitch
@@justinkrann7406 I'd rather not be blind, thanks.
Tell your brother to wear some safety glasses or he won’t be seeing things the same way as you
Safety bitch
Haha! Spot on!
That's not his brother! That's dick his buddy his brother is warren lane!
Safety eyelashes
@@rwilko9525 Haha!
I am always disappointed when Dennis isn't a part of the story...
Too many handlebars with a motorcycle in there. :-)
🤣
@@MyClassicCarTV
Is it foor sell
It's amazing how many shops were building these types of bikes bask then.now you can't give these hi end bikes away.they were built for show in front of a bar or restaurant not for long distance riding.i hope he learned something after his accident and to try to be a better person.
Hubless honda cub..... Or trail 125
The world needs this.
2:03 "safety squints engaged"
He didn’t even try lol 😂
Man thats a sweet ride love the style its unique
Does all your bikes lean to the right when you ride them
Great. I wonder wich battery and where is it located 🤔🤔
That tank that Jesse James made is a bad-ass , That's what I'm talking about
Mad skills and that rear wheel is killer, but man is that one fugly chopper.
The Best Motorcycle builder in the USA, met him a couple of times together with Smitty
Are safety glasses not cool or is it cooler to lose an eye?
Who’s cooler than a guy with an eye patch? Nobody.
How does his head fit through the shop door?
Угадал мой стиль байка🤘🤘🤘🤘👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
De grands génies de la moto!🫡😂🥃
Another example of finding a really complicated way to do something really simple.
Sbarro's way in 1989.
Looks: +9000
Comfort:-9000
Reliability -90000
Whats top speed with a sprocket that big ..25 ...?
OK...the hubless thingy is AMAZING....butt....a STICKSHIFT?..on a BIKE?......MINDBLOWN!!!!!!
Jockey shifters. They were actually used on some of the first motorcycles ever
@@jonathanryan2915 well, I guess it's never too late for an old dog, like myself, to learn a new trick!!...thanks for the 411 JR.
Always, beautiful bikes. Congrats billy to you and yours, simply sweet**********
Super cool!!!!!!!!!!! 👍👍👍
Awesome bike... it's been around a pretty LONG time... I wonder why the bike leans to the right on straight driving... engine torque? you can really see it at 3:32 4:00 and 5:02
Probably either a balance issue with more weight on the left side so it has to lean right to balance. Or, possibly an alignment issue with the chassis that has it wanting to turn left a little so you have to lean right to go straight.
Choppers aren't exactly going to be the best riding bikes out there.
Monster Parts: I thought it looked like it was leaning too! I wonder how difficult it would be to change the tire,when I was 68 I changed the tire on my FLH and that was difficult enough 🥴 ,Greetings from Tampa Florida 😎
Fantastic bike!! 👍👍🤩
If he put some neon colored circular lighting strips on the back hub-less wheel, he'd could have a hybrid chopper/Tron light cycle bike.
Which would turn them into poser garbage...
@@branon6565 Posing as what? You have to be attempting to imitate something in real life your not to be posing, like for example Jay Leno dressing as biker gang member would be posing but not someone making a sci-fi inspired bike, as that’s just a themed bike customizer. Since I was just noticing how the rear wheel sort of resembles the light cycle from the film Tron and wondering how a this bike (or clone of it) might look with circular lighting on the outside of the rear wheel. Since no prototype or even a mock-up drawing exist for how this would look, I think you got some notion of what if would look like that wasn’t what I had in mind. Whether it would look cool or like garbage, who knows since I haven’t thought it that far along. It was just a thought and not even close to being a reality so calm down as I really was’t seriously suggesting he mod this particular bike that way.
The question mark at the beginning.. is that not Indian Larry's trademark?
For some reason I read the title as Billy Zane 😂 what a gorgeous design..
That bike is sick AF
Needs a couple playing cards in the spokes of the front wheel, you know ... to be "cool". Looks like a mighty uncomfortable ride IMHO, and as an ATGATT rider myself, can't say I'm a fan only wearing one's protective T-Shirt - lol But hey, at least loud pipes keep the hearing aid business in full swing.
A front hubless with fork off set on the hubless tire on front tire to the bottom. Then rear hubless. Then a v frame with wide tank.
That hubless style sets these bikes apart from everything else on the road
Honestly they are boring as Fock…
Doesn’t do anything for me.
Seems like a bad design for reliability honestly it was making quite a bit of noise for only going 35-40 mph.
@@nobullshit9721 is it safe for a 100 mile ride?
@@hasanraza4650 lmao 🤣 honestly I wouldn’t do it
Never really understood why anyone would want a bike so uncomfortable & hard to ride
I like your pfp
because people are idiots
Lol 😂 honestly looked like hell to ride he was swaying a bit much for my comfort with that front end. definitely not something you’d take no more then 100 miles tops an if that weird ass tire thing doesn’t chew the bearing retaining ring it made a crap ton of noise just driving what looks to be 35 40 mph lol 😂
probably more comfortable than a sport bike or "Crotch Rocket" basically sitting on your balls.
To look super cool!
You don’t ride a bike like this for comfort, or speed…you ride it because you love it, and no one else is gonna have a bike that’s a clone to yours. It’s cool I get it, but I wouldn’t ride one myself…my back feels bad enough already 😂😂😂
Not sure how you figure out the final drive. That thing has a huge rear sprocket!!
mathematics
Tape measure find their radius with some plug in formulas both main clutch drive and rear tire hub Pully find there ratio compared to themselves lol 😂 multiple whatever speed main clutch drive is at = drive check mate done.
$100k.. for the bike.. hey Billy..let's ask the question in this day of age .. how much it's worth 🤣
I'm guessing about $12.000, on a very good day, and no test ride 😔🤢😏
Stunning !!👍👍👍👌👌
between u an Mr. James i look foward to an old school chopper with front brakes that allmost caint b seen ?? u my man can do it
Reminds me of carnival back in 80s
Who is the brakes in the back?
Very cool and righteous bikes love your work brother keep it up thank you
How about hubless shaft drive.......
Badass bike
They are truly works of art.
And I’m not saying this about Billy and his partner, but as a former mechanic, I’m less than impressed with the physics and mechanics of some of that art.
I’d rather look at, than be looked at and have a bike that doesn’t hold up on the road if rode hard.
For me the mechanicals need to be solid before I would hit the road.
/s/ Matt’s dad
It’s a low mile 02 Daytona for me. Used to own a very built Norton Dominator. Will never own another 2 stroke. One was too many.
You think he didn't build these bikes to hold up safely? He rode the bike from Florida to South Dakota, no trailer, just straight up rode it. Sounds like he had it figured out, being a mechanic doesn't make you an engineer, 😂.
@@TheRoadhammer379 But I am also a mechanic - oops engineer. And I was thinking of a more pop cult reference. Think about a name must of us know. And I am far from the first to question their build quality. I just don’t want to start a war or a lawsuit. For the record this is Matt’s dad.
Think SoCal and a color not seen at the top of the 1% world. wink wink. Like I said, there are a lot of pretty bikes that ride like crap and aren’t put together well.
The fact that the chain bike has held up is proof Billy Lane had it down right.
I learned more about engineering from working flat rate than I learned about mechanic ‘ing from engineering. But they are both necessary. Ask Ferdinand Porsche who broke protocol by crawling under a car to see about a racing suspension problem. Engineers weren’t supposed to crawl under cars and get their lab coats dirty. But he understood that you couldn’t hide behind theory. Theoretically there was no problem but he found it and fixed it.
This is before Billy's incident
Shot back in 2004.
@@MyClassicCarTV You hack you should credit the inventor of what Billy ripped off - Sbarro - 1989
Dude, that's not my job. 🙄
Seems we went from a belt drive to a chain drive between the interview and the ride.
That is a different bike.
We did 2 different bikes lol
You basicly need to see it as a verry big hollow axle stuck through a verry big bearing holding the wheel bij the rim
Cool, But how's the reliability?
I think that's why he's not selling them yet. Wisdom.
I guess being a biker means you're too cool for PPE. A 99¢ pair of safety glasses goes a long way, pal.
I'll tell ya once, I'll tell ya twice, the Senior Machinist told the newbie, but if I got to tell ya 3 times to wear safety glasses your either going to kill yourself or kill someone else, so your go work with the women in the kitchen!
Good
Won't the bearings need to spin a lot faster in this design?
Yea feel like it would wear out a lot faster
They're bearings from a helicopter rotor. If they can handle the huge revs of a helicopter, a bike is no problem, at all.
I remember watching him on Biker Buildoff and I wondered what had to him, after the accident he had.
@Lee Priest 😂🤣
Convicted of VEHICULAR HOMICIDE... crushed a fellow biker out on his Yamaha with his truck! DUI...6 years in Federal Prison! LIFE TIME BAN from ever driving anything, even a Moped on public streets, so the only place his " dreadlocks will be flapping in the wind is in Walmart Parking lot. Our streets are safer with Lane off of them!
Not to sound like a hater but these choppers don’t seem to be aging well. They look Like if bedazzled pants and an affliction shirt were a vehicle.
Artwork.
I wonder what the top speed is with a rear sprocket that large...
I need to know more about the gear ratios at work here. I’m not an expert by any means, but I recall that the larger the rear sprocket the higher the top speed but lower the torque, so how does this bike even get rolling?
@@avega2792 other way around
i can't understand if this is an early 2000's video or just a modern video with old school equipment and style
Shot in 2004.
Billy was not the first one to make the Hubless rear wheel.
I'd like to see a hubless back wheel and front wheel at the same time if that is possible
look up tron motorcycle
U talkin bout me X wife.... Lol
Always an amazing builder
If everyone says that bike is worth a lot more than 100k AND thats your selling price, why dont they do what they gotta do to get 100k and buy it?
I think i know why........
Whatever happened to Nick? Lived very close to Choppers Ink! Billy is a good dude
I'm pretty sure he died.
@@Arctic_Falcon did he pass, 🤔 ❓️ met him many times ova at hooters in Melbourne
What? Did Bill crush him to death too! Never saw a police report or news article.
Love nick. No safety glasses, and rocking those rings on that ban saw.
For the camera. 30 years as a fabricator, I can tell you there is nothing cool about getting shit in your eye, or trying to keep your hands clean will all that crap on your fingers.... Fuckin' bunch of posers.
But what about the front wheel?
It's an art exhibit not a bike. It's like saying the Sistine Chapel had two coats of emulsion on the ceiling. It's un-rideable unless in a straight line.
Update.. Nick and Billy have one set of eyes between them
Kick Start:😅🤣😂👍from a guy who worked in a metal fab shop!Greetings from Tampa Florida 😎
This is such a badass bike 👍👍🇨🇱
Sold a Jeep to buy a motorcycle? Oh hell naw, whatever floats his boat I guess, as for me, I'll keep all 4 of my Jeeps....Nice Buck on the wall @2:52...🤘🏻🇺🇸
It's technically not hubless. Hollowhub is the term we should use
Do the front wheel that way too
You are a genius, Billy!
Sorry, not a genius. Copied hubless design from Sbarro.