Lee-Enfield Sporter Scope Mounting Options
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- I'm often asked what the best scope mounting option is for Lee-Enfield sporters. That depends on your budget and how well you want it to perform. The best performing option is the No.32 scope bracket from Red Star Mountain, but it's expensive. The part and installation will probably cost twice what you paid for the rifle. But if you have a No.4 already, it's definitely an option worth considering.
Great video, thanks for sharing.
side mount sm 7---- for a lever action worked great, drilland tap nice if you can go that way
Good Video. Thanks for the info.
You're welcome! Thanks for stopping by!
Really interesting, thanks. I would love a 7.62 converted No.4 but two things put me off- firstly the almost insurmountable problem of successfully mounting a scope and secondly, the lack of 7.62 mags.
To me, the first mount looks the best because it is lowest and because I think the other two put a lot of strain put on the two small screws going into the side of the receiver. If you were to bang the scope, could it lose zero?
The Addley mount was rock solid. The main problem with it is height over bore. The one that used little screws to apply pressure on the receiver bridge was garbage. It slipped under recoil and the scope tipped about 100 MOA upwards. The No.32 is the only option that solved both those problems. The engineers at RSAF Enfield knew that these rifles weren't designed for optics and that mounting wouldn't work without making modifications to the rifle. Today, mounting options are designed to be as unintrusive as possible because people don't want to carve up their expensive milsurps. So there's some functionality that ends up being sacrificed to preserve the rifle's original condition.
Thanks! Very informative!.
I just picked up my dad's sporterized 1917 eddystone. He built it about 60 years ago. Rear sights were machined down.
Would the #32 work with a Vortex 50mm scope without being too close to the barrel out front or is 50mm to big?
The No.32 modification won't work on a P14 or M1917 rifle because the receiver profile won't fit the bracket pads. It only works on No.4 rifle receivers (and by extension, No.5, because they were built on the same receiver as the No.4). The P14 and M1917 rifles have a completely different receiver profile that includes a Mauser-style bolt release on the left side of the receiver, so even if you could profile the rear bracket pad to fit the receiver, the bolt release is in the way of mounting it. If the receiver is already drilled and tapped, there are rail options available from most manufacturers. The No.32 modification is fantastic, but it's a one-trick pony.
@@ktgiffin8147 thank you. Very helpful. The gun is currently fitted with a weaver 1 inch rail. After your comments and more reading I think I'll need to stick with this.
Thx again for getting me on the right path and the very informative videos.
@@ToddMitchell62 The Weaver rail is fine. When you want to install a scope, the rail won't affect your ability to use an optic with a larger objective lens, you'll just have to make sure that the rings are high enough for the optic to sit without having the objective lens touch the barrel. That being said, if the scope is sitting too high off the receiver, it might cause problems getting a proper cheek weld to the comb of the stock. Your local gun store will be able to help you out there if you have any trouble.
hey was wondering would the 3rd option work for the Ishapore 2A1
No, unfortunately, the (T) modification won't work on the Ishapore 2A1 because the side of the receiver is a different shape. The 2A1 is a No.1 Mk.III that was just rechambered, so you'd have to find an option for a No.1 Mk.III and there aren't really any good ones. Addley Precision makes one that works well, but you'll still have to install a cheek riser, because the exit pupil of the scope is pretty high.
@@ktgiffin8147 ah i see was really hoping that 3rd option would work tryin to avoid the scope being to high for such a thing but thank you very much
You're welcome.
@@ktgiffin8147damn. My search for information on mounting a scope on my 2A1 Ishapore led me here as well. Not what I was hoping to hear, but I appreciate the solid information, nonetheless.
I would just go with the Adley, but that height over bore is out of control😳 I won't be able to use my irons anyway, as I plan on removing my front sight/flash hider assembly (No7 jungle carbine) to cut two inches off of barrel and thread the muzzle for the silencer I bought for this project. I even bought a surplus Enfield cheek riser from Numrich just in case, but it looks like the Adley would still put my scope too high-plus excessive height over bore is not good anyway for other obvious reasons.
Since you actually know what you're talking about when it comes to Enfields, would you happen to know of a good smith in the states that you could recommend who knows their way around an Enfield? I don't want to send it to Bubba's gunsmithing garage🫤
Any recommendations on a scope that is close to the appearance of the British mark 32 scope? I’m in the process of scoping my no4 and while I’m not locked into anything yet I’d like to get one if I can find one (doubt it) but since they fetch a premium I’ll try for something as close to it as I can get.
Never mind found a place selling repros in stock finally cost a bit but I’m that much closer to having a faux no4 T. I’m gonna get the Bren gun mount but I don’t no how I feel drilling into mine yet so I’m going with one like yours for now.
RSM make a reproduction No.32 that's still somewhat affordable. If you're doing the (T) modification, you have to drill. That's how they were originally done. The scope pads, bracket, cheek riser and angled sling swivel in front of the magazine for the 3 point sniper sling made up the (T) modification. I've done quite a few of them now. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
@@ktgiffin8147 appreciate the advice. I bought a couple books off Amazon and found a place out of New York that’s got repros in stock and I got that along with the repro case it came in. I’m gonna wait a month to get the proper mount but they’re easy enough to find. It’s coming along and I got a real good prior service gunsmith near me I’m taking it to when I’m ready. Oh and even found a place that repros the leather caps for it.
Weaver K2.5 is similar looking but a little more modern and no doubt better for it.
How do i determine # and mark of a santa fe mountianeer enfield sporterized by golden state arms in the early 1960's ?
If it's a British Lee, it will be in one of two places. The No.I Mk.III has the manufacturer's name, the model and the year of manufacture stamped on the right side of the wrist, above the rear trigger guard pin. If it's a No.4, the data stamp is on the left side of the receiver near the top. If it's a P14 or US M1917 Enfield, the data stamp is on the top of the receiver ring (where the barrel threads into the receiver).
Thanks for the info wanted get one amd put on scope on it.
You're welcome! Glad to have helped!
Does this info apply to the 308 version? I think it is a 2A1.
The 7.62mm version was converted from the No.4 Mk.2, so the No.32 bracket will work.
The others will fit the receiver, too.
@@ktgiffin8147 I have the 308. I had a gunsmith put on the mount for me, a one piece, (has a tiny S/K on it) but it is going to leave the scope awkwardly high. I think I'm just going to take it off. Wasted a $100.
@@noahway13 I believe it. The Lee-Enfield wasn't designed for optics. When H&H did the No.32 telescopic sight modification on the No.4, even after milling off the 200 yd. battle sight to bring the centre of the exit pupil closer to the bore axis, they still installed a riser on the comb to get the shooter's cheek into a better shooting position. There are a lot of aftermarket options available, but they all suffer from having the scope too high above the bore axis. The No.32 modification is the only one that I find gives decent results, but people are reluctant to do it because of the cost involved and the fact that the rifle is permanently altered. The battle sight is milled off, the receiver ring is usually ground, six holes are drilled and tapped in the left side of the receiver to install the scope pads and a cheek riser is installed on the comb. I did a series on the No.32 scope modification, and it's quite the involved process.
Hi I just bought a navy arms 45-70 Lee Enfield in excellent condition I am wondering if there is a way to mount a scope without modifying. As far as I can tell, it's a #3 and Ive been having trouble finding information
Unfortunately, those Navy Arms rifles were built on the No.I Mk.III action, so there aren't many options out there. Gerry Addley makes one that isn't horrible, but it does place the scope pretty high off the bore axis. Rifles back then generally weren't designed for optics and you can't always make it work.
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Would the #32 scope bracket work on a Mark 3 No1??
Unfortunately not. The receivers have different profiles, with the No.I having a curved side, while the No.4 is flat.
Identify parts,name number,where to find
For which mounting system?
hi, where can I buy the first solution you see in the video? Thank you
I bought the ATI mount at a local gun store. I do recommend against it, though because it doesn't hold very well.
@@ktgiffin8147 for the value of my rifles that piccatinny rail is just fine can't find it in Italy.
You failed to explain how the last one was mounted to the rifle
That's the No.32 scope bracket. I did a series of videos on the (T) or sniper modification to explain the process. It will require permanent alteration of the rifle, so there's no going back once it's done.
i have a lee enfield no 4 and i want this part for my gun to mount the scope. how to get it in Pakistan. please guide me, bro
They're made in China by Red Star Mountain. You can order from their website and as long as it's not prohibited where you live, they'll ship it to your door. They also make a reproduction of the No.32 telescopic sight and colimating tool. To do the full (T) modification, there's also the cheek riser, which is available from Sarco and the middle sling swivel, which mounts just forward of the magazine, which I believe is also available from Sarco. Sarco makes a No.32 telescopic sight as well, and it's much more authentic than the Red Stars Mountain model, but I couldn't get it in Canada because it falls under ITAR controls and the US State Department won't allow them to ship internationally without the end user having an import-export licence.
My apologies. I thought you were asking about the No.32 telescopic sight system. The one made by Addley Precision that doesn't require drilling and tapping is available on their website. I'm pretty sure they'll ship anywhere in world. If they don't, message me.
Thanks for your kind reply
Bad Ace mount is the best, gives you 2 options, with or without the rear sight, but it's not in this video.
Thanks for the comment! The Badace Tactical rail is a decent option that has the same advantages and disadvantages as the other no drill and tap models on the market. The main advantage is that is cheaper and easier to install. The disadvantage is that is that the scope still sits quite high off the bore axis in order for the eyepiece to clear the rear sight. That will require a cheek riser to be installed to raise the comb. The engineers at RSAF Enfield recognized that the Lee-Enfield wasn't designed to have a scope and that putting one on properly would require permanent alteration of the rifle.
@@ktgiffin8147 a cheek riser u can slide on the stock and adjust, it's cheap, and co-witnesing is important, even $2000 scope can be damaged quite easily ,and a few drops of rain can damage a $200 chinese scope
Cowitnessing isn't really a big deal unless you're operating in a tactical environment. Modern optics aren't affected by rain at all. A $150 Bushnell Banner has the Rain Guard system. If a scope has been damaged by rain, it was defective and the manufacturer will repair or replace it under warranty. That's a guarantee from every manufacturer I've ever dealt with. Bushnell, Nikon, Vortex, Burris, Steiner, Zeiss, Swarovski, Nightforce, Schmidt & Bender, Kahles, Elcan, Trijicon, Quigly Ford, Leupold - all of them. Also, cheek risers have to be fitted to the shooter. Not every face is the same shape, so the width and angle of the cheek riser has to be fitted to ensure proper eye alignment so that the rifle points naturally without the shooter moving his head.
@@ktgiffin8147 I agree, the defective scope will be replaced, but if drop the rifle in a stream in Alaskan wilderness it's can ruin your trip
@@ktgiffin8147 for this particular rifle a mount by Addley precision allows for co-witnesing