Warrior vs. guardian mindsets in policing | Mike D'Antonio | TEDxLosGatosHighSchool
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2016
- In his talk, Mike explores the two dominant mindsets of the police forces across the country - warrior versus guardian. He explains how the guardian mindset can lead to a much safer and connected community than the other.
Captain Mike D’Antonio started his career with the Los Gatos-Monte Sereno Police Department in 2000. Mike later became a Field Training Officer responsible for training and evaluating new officers. In 2004, Mike was promoted to Detective and assigned to the Santa Clara County Specialized Enforcement Team, where he investigated high level drug traffickers, violent crimes and gang activity throughout the County.
In 2008, Mike was promoted to the rank of Sergeant and returned to the Detective Bureau where he most notably investigated a high profile murder case. Next, Mike was promoted to the position of Detective Sergeant in charge of the Bureau of Investigations. In 2013, Mike was promoted to Captain and is now in command of both Police Operations and Support Services.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
GREAT TED TALK! This was awesome. Great points and everyone in law enforcement needs to watch these types of videos. I'm in law enforcement also and attempt to build relationships with the community.
Now he is right on his policing, I just disagree with his wording. Good drug officers are usually GREAT at talking to people. They learn it in dealing with informants, suspects, and families of both. Just don't have a "first instinct" of warrior OR guardian. The first instinct is to SERVE. Choose the response that best serves the situation, the community, and the law.
Lie take property ..pressure families to turn in fellow family members in order to have a strong case inorder to add on to the biggist prison population on Earth the .USA home of the free land of the brave...All in name of the war on drug's
It was an honor to work with everyone on that task force , thx Mike for validation of “Guardian mindset with a heart of a warrior”
I hear you, Sir.
I retired as a captain 21 years ago and can identify w/everything said here. I left a large PD for a smaller one for the same reasons and enjoyed my 30 years on the street.
I went from a small one to a large one so I could stop very bad people from doing very bad things. Also retired.
I’ll take the warriors.
@@Dontdothat5300 ....while innocent people will suffer and pay the price in blood.
@@maxbrazil3712 While men and women in blue form a line behind which the truly innocent people can safely sleep at night.
As an Officer it’s simple. Make their problems YOUR problems. You then have eyes and ears everywhere. It’s literally the equivalent of surveillance cameras around town.
This should still be mandatory viewing.
Police departments need to do a better job vetting their hires. There is a small percentage of those who become police officers that are sadistic psychopaths that never need to wear a badge because the badge is just an excuse for them to inflict pain and suffering on individuals when it is not warranted.
I think that's inevitable in any profession, especially ones with power. The real issue is that they need to not protect the psychos once they're uncovered.
Police Departments don’t need to better vet their officers. Their is a lower incidence of misconduct (as a percentage of the total set) (intentional or negligent) against people within law enforcement then there is amongst doctors, the clergy, or school teachers.
It is all about balance: we are both a warrior/guardian.
Warrior mindset without actually being a Warrior is the problem, there is the way of a Warrior (Warrior code) and I'm not so sure that you can train someone to be a Warrior. Maybe how to take someone to the ground and safely neutralize the threat, handcuff and take your arrested person to jail. Warrior not needed, just a capable officer who knows how to de-escalate potential violent situations and not jump into the mix to escalate things. Most situations are non violent until it's pushed into that space
I find it fascinating that we feel the need to separate the Warrior mentality and Guardian mentality. Many officers for years called themselves sheep dogs, because they protected the sheep.
All three of these have a protecting mindset. If a guardian is there to protect, then where does it say that a guardian is not going to have the survival mindset of a warrior? If someone is going to protect, do they not have to fight to protect whatever they are protecting?
Just as a warrior has the mindset to survive a battle or conflict, the warrior also has the mindset to protect, that is what warriors did, protect the warrior to their right and left, or their home.
Whichever mind set you agree with, you will have a protecting, surviving mindset.
Does it come down to the each individual officer and how they want to identify themselves? Some view the Guardian as week, but how is a guardian week if they are protectors? Is it just the view point of the individual?
When we look at the community we serve, it is easier for the community to identify with the Guardian, because most people only see a Warrior as a barbaric person. History shows various types of warriors, so which one do we/you identify with as police officers?
It seem that each person is trying to defend the type of personality in which they want to be, instead of who we should be.
You are 100% correct here brother.
Be dangerous but be disciplined. That’s what it’s all about.
when I think about this video I think about that we need to think about having a guardian mindset because we need to contemplate to think about Why do we have to think about being a Warrior and act like a warrior. What the Guardian mindset is that there is no need to act So Violent to people. what I Notched is that when we made Threat comments towards people like "am going to murder you" am going to "kill you" etc these comments are not a guardian. a guardian mindset is to help people by not beat up or hurt people we need to Understand and Motivate people to uplift people. I have a down Syndrome and have a disability Rights I have to Understand that i have a voice to stand up and speak up.
It is odd that this is such a new way of thinking in America.
The only people that should have a warrior mindset are members of the military civilian underline the word civilian police officers our local public employees just like any other municipal County or state employee they are civilians public employees the warrior mindset belongs with the military!!!!!!
Warriors go off to fight wars. I did so 5 times in my career as an Army Infantry soldier. All cops must realize they are suppose to be "peace officers", not LEO. They swore to defend the Constitution just like I did so many times. They become traitors to America the very first time they violate a citizen's civil rights. Any law enforcement official that doesn't respect that should be immediately stripped of ever being able to wield that much power over anyone for any reason.
Agreed soldiers go 2 war , maybe these "warriors" should join the army. See whan being an inantier is all about see how their view changes then.
Maybe a lot of cops truly do start out for the right reasons but become so jaded over time that it changes them. Maybe lots of people have been helped by good cops but also a lot of people lived ruined by bad ones
Afghanistan task force 3-08 & task force 1-10 infantry for 9 years. You?
Matt Brown You probably sat on a FOB doing nothing in a country we wrongly invaded. Get over yourself.
Matt Brown Hello, Matt. I totally agree with your statement. I do, however, have a question for you, if I may. Would you consider any victimless crime (drug laws, traffic code infractions, unkept lawn, etc ) an unconstitutional law? Thank you, I can fully understand if you chose not to answer.
I really like the guardian mentality! Great pawsitive reframe!
Be a Guardian until its time to be a Warrior. God willing you will never have to be that Warrior. That's why you are called PEACE OFFICERS...
Don't demonize the word warrior. His opening video is a great example of the warrior mindset. They are confident in their ability because they are well trained. They have nothing to prove, so they handle the situation as it's needed to be handled. They prefer no violence, but they are ready to do violence IF needed. They would rather make a friend than an enemy. They know to get respect, they give respect. Talking the offender into handcuffs is the ultimate goal. Call it what you want, but I will choose the street warrior.
Forget about the words he chose. He's saying to treat individuals with respect and dignity instead of an authoritarian us vs them mentality. Research has proven that using the former is better for LEOs, and the community.
And so it begins
But your not. You WANT to be a warrior. You want to carry a gun and seem powerful. In reality your just a tool we laugh at.
@@josephhiker1407 Nah... It's us vs them.
I think the reference to warrior comes from Dave Grossman or Grossman like training. On Combat one of Grossman’s books, was never meant to be the full manual on how to be a peace officer. Grossman teaches how to survive a deadly force encounters by focusing on how to keep fear from getting the best of you and to do realistic training. This me speculating because Mike doesn’t reference where he gets the word “Warrior”. In my opinion every peace officer must have the warrior mindset at the ready but most of the time outside of deadly force encounters, treat people with kindness and respect whether they deserve it or not.
The reason we choose to have a mentality is not so we can help people or connect with people. It’s so we can survive that one or more encounters we will have with a suspect where there are only 2 outcomes, survival or death. The mentality of survival and I will fight viciously in order to survive is the only thing that will get you through a life and death struggle. A “guardian” mindset is only a good work ethic.
If all you're interested in is surviving, then get a different job.
@@Cubelarooso he didn’t say only. And why wouldn’t somebody want to survive. Should it just be like “oh well if I die?”
@@Dontdothat5300
He literally did say "only."
If we're giving someone extrajudicial, violent powers, then that person should hold protecting others higher than personal survival.
The truth is that in law enforcement you need both. The best officers are warriors and guardians. Warriors can be people fighting for improvements at all levels. Police must descalate situations, protect life and property as well as forcefully confront and sometimes combat very difficult situations. They must also be investgators and provide support for their communities. To be straightforward they really need good people in leadership, fighting for ethical improvements in their departments as well as fighting crime. If he got zero complaints then something was either crooked or they had few calls in a really easy district. In all walks of life if one is really doing their job correctly then they will at least get false complaints from the people they are competing with or in that case prosecuting.
IF anyone takes the time to research the true definition of a warrior then they would see that it is not a bad life style. The term warrior has been hijacked the macho types that want to make a living in the socalled training field. All they teach is how to hurt and kill. The true warrior mentality of samurai taught negotiation as the best way to win a battle, for example, getting the guy in the video to drop the knife and go peacefully.
This is the warrior creed by Robert L. Murphy that you can google and learn about.
Wherever I walk everyone is a little bit safer because I am there
Wherever I am, anyone in need has a friend
Whenever I return home everyone is happy I am there.
I have tried to live this creed for almost 40 years. The warrior creed.
We need more police officers like this it seems like any more it's not to protect and serve but to harass and tax and I know that there are still a few good police officers out there but it seems like now we're days they're very few and far between
Just remember who you're guarding: not yourself, not your colleagues, but the people, including suspects.
That's partially true. You have a duty to protect everybody (including suspects). But that doesn't eliminate your need to guard yourself and your colleagues - you have a primary responsibility to your family to make every effort to come home for work in the same physical condition that you went to work in.
@@Dontdothat5300 Maybe that's how it is, but that's not how it should be. People who are given legal recourse to violence should have to meet a higher standard of morality, including putting the lives of others above their own.
@@Cubelarooso so I understand - you’re suggesting I should put a violent-drug addicts life above my life, and the future of my children. No way - I’m not responsible for the bad choices the other person made, and my kids certainly aren’t.
@@Dontdothat5300 Then you're not fit to be a police officer.
@@Cubelarooso So I guess you are going to lead the way.
I can agree with this guy about 80% but facts are facts, sometimes some people just need a punch in the mouth.
As guardian as possible, as warrior as necessary.
@@TlalocTemporalawesome! This is what I wrote in my latest book: "A police officer is neither guardian nor warrior, but both: a guardian by nature; a warrior, only when absolutely necessary.
There are a lot of people yapping in this comment section who obviously haven’t even watched the video...I hope and pray you’re not on the streets in uniform, we’d all be much safer without you.
Some criminals are life criminals. Even Jesus Christ railed against the Pharisees knowing they would not change. You have to develop the skill on who you can talk to and who are sociopaths who wants to kill you. The thin blue line is all we have and it is getting thinner by the day.
All the police officers be like "That's wrong, I like shooting first and dehumanizing later".
A warrior is prepared to fight. A guardian is prepared to protect. Police are supposed to be here to protect people, not fight wars.
It sounds nice. But once a situation like Las Vegas, Dallas, Orlando or Parkland happens you’ll wish you’d had some warriors nearby to run towards the gunfire and eliminate the threat.
@@kingdom482 um, that's not true. That would mean like 12000 cops died when it's more like 100 a year, of all causes
@@thesmallestfeller we dont want or need you. You just think we want you. Why would we want you following us? Watching what we do. EMTs help people. Fireman help people. Cops do nothing but harass people.
@@kingdom482 actually there was only 144 killed in the line of duty in 2018. Far short of 5000 😆
You have to know when to shift that mindset from guardian to warrior and back again when needed.
The taser actually worked! Awesome. Doesnt always happen that way, unfortunately.
He mentions that they didn't actually use the taser.
Like matt said, for u future or even current police u wanna be a "warrior" join the army infantry specifically. Sad.
Central Valley? You have no idea. Everyone is treated equally...Carpet cops drive me nuts.
Lived in Fresno for 14 years. Cops do NOT treat everyone equally. The judge who's driving drunk is not arrested; he's "guided" home by the cops on duty (Kings County, CA; real example). And race is a major factor in many arrests of non-whites. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Here’s the problem - cops aren’t supposed to be psychologist, social workers, or anything else. They are neither paid nor educated for those roles.
If you want social workers, hire them.
If you want child psychologist, hire them.
If you want to protect the sheep from the wolves, you have to hire sheepdogs. You can’t legitimately comment about who is a coward and who isn’t until you’ve been in a fight for your life in some parking lot at 3 o’clock in the morning.
I agree police officers are not dedicated social workers nor psychologist neither should they be. However, even Navy Seals in Iraq had to build relationships with the locals to identify the bad guys so that they can exercise the warrior part of their jobs.
Every police officer should be ready to defend themselves and others until they can’t breathe anymore but they should also be kind, empathetic, and respectful to build relationships with the community they serve. Treating others with respect and dignity doesn’t require extensive college education like social workers and psychologist do.
@@jophester3970 Completely dependent on where you work. I retired from a 5000 person agency and handled 10-18 calls for service during an 8.5 hour shift. Not a lot of time for relationship building. Comparing SOCOM units in an active conflict to American police is not a relevant comparison.
And everybody can be treated with respect - even if you resist, I can respectfully overcome your resistance with overwhelming force. If you don't want to deal with the cops, don't call the cops or put yourself in a position to interact with the cops.
@@Dontdothat5300 As with any discussion these are merely our points of views on things, they are just opinions.
I 100% agree not all department leadership or local governments make it easy to build relationship. And now even more so with all the defund the police non-sense.
Respect is also using just using enough overwhelming force but not going overboard. Correct me if I am wrong but I am sure that not every call required use of force.
I think it is relevant to compare the two, military and Police. Police have suspects, military has enemy combatants. In Iraq the enemy did not use uniforms and would hide among the civilians. Similarly, the suspects in American policing don’t use uniforms (although some gangs may) and also hide among law abiding citizens. Building a partnership with citizens helps you identify the perpetrators. I see your point neither SOCOM nor conventional military force have bogus calls they need to attend.
I lived in South Central Los Angeles, in the ghetto, in the early 90’s through early 2000’s we did not call cops for anything. My family would get robbed and our things would get vandalized from time to time but we didn’t call the cops. My dad was attacked by a group of people and he fought them off and also didn’t call the cops. They were as you stated cops that we didn’t want to deal with so we avoided them. It was easier to be disrespected by the criminals and not call the cops to avoid being disrespected again by cops. Not all LAPD were grumpy, overworked, possibly underpaid street cops. I think it didn’t have to be that way but that’s how it was not all the cops fault it has to do with leadership at the top and how the local government run their city.
Enjoy your retirement, sir. Happy New Year
edge????
It's not a matter of Warrior vs Guardian. Every LE officer should be a guardian protector, with a vicious warrior hiding behind the curtain. Making it an "either, or" decision is an irresponsible and naive perspective...
The warrior/guardian dichotomy is not about how you fight, it's what you fight for.
using handcuffs could be an excessive force under the 4th amendment.
Being a warrior doesn’t mean being any of those things. You can be a guardian with out being a warrior. Having the capacity to use violence and only using it when it is needed is the essence of being a warrior. It’s the sheep dog sheep and wolves mentality.
You lost me at "hopefully gain compliance". You may be hopeful to gain compliance all you want, but I'm going home at the end of shift.
Hope is not a plan. It helps ease the mind, but in the end it will not accomplish GOD's plan and get me home to my family.
If you became "lost" then you are missing the valuable information being provided to you. Going home at the end of your shift is not the alternative to hoping someone complies...
@@WillyWillis1965 Said nobody who has ever actually been in a fight for their life trying to go home at the end of their shift.
@@Dontdothat5300 Says someone who never met Dontrell.
@@WillyWillis1965 Point made, you're right. I don't know you, your experience, or where you work(ed). I do believe that one's perspective on policing (from the police viewpoint) is highly dependent on where you work - not just agency, but actual neighborhoods. What you walk into is highly dependent on citizens previous encounters with the police AND police previous encounters with citizens.
I'm not saying this is all wrong - I would submit that it doesn't neatly apply everywhere.
I “truly” believe. So now we are relying on faith.
Did anyone fall asleep?
Sounds like a company man
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Police Long ago Lost the PublicsTrust and Its gone downHillSince! I doubt Police will ever Have anyTrueRespect FromThePublic!.. TryGardening! and Or leave thePlanet!
Everything about police work has changed except the criminals.
Maybe we can all throw our guns away and sing kumbaya.
Cheap PC feel good public relations BS. Police officers can and should be both.
Yes people don't necessarily want to have this, "relationship," with LE. This boarders on infringing on 4th amendment rights.
Tf this shows up in my reccs and it's my local 7-11 wtf is LGPD doing there
Always butting into Campbell's business when it suits them smh
Officers in this guys department are going to die because they will be afraid to act because of this guys mentality on policing.
Nice talk is cheap. Then why do most police officers behave in such despicable obnoxious manner. They are suppose to be public servants . Yet they go about their business as if they are law unto themselves . Its time to abolish qualified immunity .
As a police officer.......your out of touch. a warrior is prepared for everything, peaceful to some of the worst days and will survive.
Guardian is a person who can't handle conflicts. That believes every person can be talked down and de escalated. which is totally wrong.
There is evil in this world and only a warrior will make it home.
PapaCharlie117 I'm sure your a Hillary voter.
You're wrong, entirely. Your mindset, your logic, all flawed.
I would invite you to break down the words "Warrior" and "Guardian." They both have the element of combat built into them to a degree, but only one of them truly reflects the most widely used element of police departments --the shield. The item used to guard (much like when an entry team responds to a hostile situation,) thus "Guard-ian" making the most compelling mindset to be used when policing communities or responding to a call for service. The good officer doesn't fight what's in front of him because he hates it, he protects those behind him because he loves them.
Absolutely. More liberal anti-police propaganda here, but that is to be expected from TED unfortunately.
Sun Tzu teaches that the essence of war is deceit and destruction. One cannot hope to defend unless he is willing to destroy. That is not the same as saying that violence is the first answer, but when it is the answer it is the only answer. For Sun Tzu also said that the ultimate form of victory is not the total and utter destruction of your enemy without friendly casualties. The ultimate form of victory is gaining the desired without needing to fight.
This the problem with todays Cops, they fail to grasp that their behavior will cause a reaction. Cops who have a "warrior mindset" are the Cops who get the least respect from the public and end up costing your community alot of $$$$$$ in brutality and wrongful death suites.
Propaganda that police in schools help students. How many dont even have counselors in said schools.
The correct term is coward training not warrior
A police officer who engages in the drug war is not a guardian.
"Nice" approach for "nice" communities. I know Bob Mercer - good cop, and apparently D'Antonio is. But his beat makes it easy for him to be "nice".
Nothing really new in what he says though - in the 70s it was called PCR, Police Community Relations.
The problem is that while law enforcement training has improved exponentially, public "training" (schools, parenting, etc.) have exponentially degraded. Back in the day even most criminals had a basic understanding of right vs wrong, even while they chose outlawing.
Now, most 'criminals' not only don't know right from wrong, the don'y believe anything is wrong.