Seen a post on fb yesterday that said my girlfriend wears my shirt to bed wears my hoodie when cold wears a wife beater to clean house and even my boxers to get "comfy " I wear one thing of hers and we need to go see a therapist. What makes it girl clothes vs boys clothes really? Society
I am a man who is more comfortable instockings garterbelts panties bra with breast forms. Slip &dress then anything male. I truly love to wear female clothing,!
We have a double standard in the world of today ! It is fine for a woman to wear a tie slacks and a shirt and no one says anything negative ! But if a man wears a pretty dress he is reduced or even at times beaten up.What. a pathetic sovciety we live in now days! STEVE Baird
most cisgender straight females do that because we feel comforted by the smell of boyfriends on the clothing and it's a way to feel close. Just saying.
you are getting Transsexuals, confused with Transgender it is 2 different things, most transvestites do not want to transition. they just like to dress and feel like a woman.
what about kids whos father or mother runs off with someone else, or is that okay with you? what about kids that are only raised by a grand mother or an aunt, or uncle? the children are not forced to dress like that, and it will not necessarily make them want to dress like that either. they have just as much chance in life as any other kids do.
As long as you are good person, loving and caring human, i don't care who you are, what you wear, and you are more than welcome to be my friend and family member ...
The stories about couples who stay together through something as huge as coming out as a trans always give me goosebumps. It is like proof of true love. They love each other regardless of anything and everything. It is beautiful.
With the encouragement of my wife, and she in fact went out and bought everything from top to bottom, I have never felt so relaxed, happy and content. Very strong feminine side all my life but now complete. Her family just assumes I am bisexual which isn't far from the truth.
I don't quite understand but I accept it. I think want to dress as a woman is a chore I could never bear, make up, all the accessories, high heels, women have it tougher than men in our society!
yeah...that's why women have a harder time than men....they have to keep with the trends...men don't usually care. But as long as their family are not suffering from their overspending, they have the right to spend their money as they please. What about guys who spend all their money in gambling and leave their families starving? I know 'cause my uncle used to be a gambler and was a bum. I'd rather he spent his salary on high heels than on horses!
Lol....so many of you are SOOOO MAD! They aren’t disgusting! How is wearing clothes disgusting? I think most of you are mad because you aren’t happy with yourself and you aren’t taking chances in life. Yet here we see people who are being free to be themselves with no apologies. It takes a lonely person to go out of their way to hate people who aren’t lonely and are having fun in life.
Them wearing feminine clothing isn't what's disgusting. What's disgusting is that they fetishize feminity because they associate it with fragility, submissiveness, innocence, etc.... The gender stereotypes that come with femininity (which is a social construct) are very restrictive and harmful to women, yet for these men, it's a turn on. I personally find it very insulting.
25:54 The TS person got the Transvestite guy together….bravery is not exclusively a male trait by any means. Assertiveness needs to be accepted from women as well. As a doctor of over 20 years, I’ve had more male patients ask for their wives for support. Women risk death every time they give birth, and I ‘ve experienced only male patients FAINT during laceration repairs, blood draws, and other procedures.
Interesting perspective. It would be nice if men could dress in stereotypically feminine ways without it signaling anything but an enjoyment of that way of dressing. That is something women are a bit freer to play with- dressing in stereotypically masculine clothing seems to be more generally acceptable, less an oddity. Well, I suppose I'm speaking very much from the perspective of someone in the U.S.- I imagine three are plenty of places where a women dressing as a man would be shocking, and decried by society as well... Why it should matter so much to people not involved in their lives is a bit baffling... With all the troubles in the world, why not allow people some harmless happiness?
why should it matter who wears what cloths, cloths are cloths, i am sure any man if they woke up in the middle of no where naked and the only thing to put on was a dress they would do it until they could get home, and i do not care to wear womens cloths much my self, i prefer jeans and a t shirt, and my chuck Taylors
I wear women's clothes sometimes, but never had a desire to look super feminine. Sure, I will wear a woman's sweater, jewelry, scarves, jeans, or tennis shoes, but have no desire to wear a dress or high heels or wear any shirt that clearly looks like a woman's shirt. I only wear an article of women's clothing if I find it tasteful and suits my body type. I don't look like a transvestite or drag queen when I wear my clothing items and don't get off on wearing feminine items.
Who are they seeking attention from is exactly my questions when I caught my husband cross dressing stabbing me hard in the heart and corrupting my mind. I felt sick and trapped in the marriage and felt violated. I felt torn. And i felt forced to accept when all of me my being my soul cannot. So I divorced and happy to have enough self-respect not to be swayed to a lifestyle that is just not part of who I am as a person, more than just being a woman or a wife.
@@angieroman6723 look the other way then. Are you and your feelings more important than theirs? And how illmannered is it to be repellent towards them.
As a XL sized woman I always wondered... how those men, bigger and taller than women, fit women's clothes? And where they get extra large woman's shoes in male sizes?
A few years ago I was sent a catalogue of women’s shoes that went all the way up to size 15 with some even larger. It occurred to me that the catalogue was aimed at men.
The larger ones likely shop plus size and tall like bigger and taller women do. Not all men are huge. My husband wears a men's medium and I wear a woman's L or XL and I'm too big to fit into all his clothes. When I wear men's/unisex clothes I'm also a L or XL. There isn't a lot of difference in the sizing of men's vs women's clothing, just the fit is different and women's pants tend to be shorter. Also if you are talking about how men wear their pants the rise tends to be lower.
I feel like a lot of this has to do with men being discouraged from showing emotions and being submissive sexually so they feel like the only way they can express these parts of their personality by dressing up in a feminine way.
I agree to that. Especially since I've met one, once. He is truly admitted to being submissive and likes it. But ever since he made it clear to himself and the rest of the world he said he'd never been happy :-) And that is all that counts!
And that scene is hidden! I believe that the point was to be open with it - which isn't easy today's since people are really intolerant and violent. It is important to them to walk freely through the streets dressed up the way they want it, doing whatever they like... It is, at least, what I think was the subject above.
Computer User nope , it’s easier for a girl to look like a man than the other way around . Men look ugly in women clothes that why it’s always a funny joke in movies /tv .
Awe. They all look so sweet. I'm glad they have a trade show they can attend. Why is the world so cruel to people who are different. Our differences are what makes us human. We all have our own little closet people. Here's a thought - don't judge.
I will keep on judging if I damn please to do so... it's nobody's business if I do... and there is nothing you can do about it. I am the only owner of my thoughts. Besides... it is everyone's self-respect to develop a sense of judgement.
I found this gent's insights into the phenomenon of transvestism crazy making because he limites his evaluations entirely within the British cultural context. Cross dressing and transexualism isn't predominantly a British thing, a Western European thing, an American thing . . . ad nauseum. I would have valued his candor and exploration so much more if he'd broadened his perspective to the pretty much global and all too human aspect all these variations are.
I am dating a straight crossdresser. Best part is I get to borrow his Mac makeup, wigs and jewelry. He's lucky we don't wear the same shoe size. The alpha male is such a turn off for me.
My boyfriend share clothing/make-up all the time! He is very androgynous anyway and rocks my skirts better than me. He is SO hot! I don't like alpha/meatheads either.
I feel sorry for men who have to wear business suits. They don't get as much variety as women get in their everyday dress options. Interesting show. I love Grayson Perry.
I think it's pretty hypocritical that he wants people to understand transvestitism and yet he himself doesn't understand transgenderism. I find it a bit confusing how he wants men to be able to express their emotions more and be more feminine yet instead of implementing that in his life he just goes out and dresses as a woman, as if that's the only answer.
I am the product of mother and a father. Both of whom loved me very much. Both characters are alive within me. I draw on the strength of both of them as the occasion requires. I let them run freely in my mind. Dressing as a female is confirming the love of my father for my mother. Of course I would not expect a one dimensional corpse to ever understand.
It must be Shinta Senturi, 65 years ago as a child of 12 years old, I asked my mother, Mom what does love feel like? The answer she gave described exactly the feeling I have when I dress myself as a girl. The answer is that there is no greater feeling than love.
Whatever isn’t considered “mainstream” is going to get stares and questions asked. As long as people are respectful of the person and those “different” people aren’t hurting anyone, then it is what it is. I’m glad they have found a way to make themselves happy. Everyone deserves that.
very cool ps i recently discovered bishops in my family i dont know much about that line of things only 1 whose glbt named amy but we havent really met or conncted much , are ties are in canada mostly and theres chapelles and remplesetc
I disagree about cross-dressing starting up in the 19th century. What about the Molly Houses of the 17th and 18th centuries? Many of the men there dressed as women.
You're gorgeous and amazing! Thank you for sharing this and being so open. I love your spirit and all your photo's. You're a beautiful person, inside and out! THANK YOU❤
wow, thank you for sharing this doco with us. It was mind blowing and showed me a side of life I thought I knew about but obviously had no idea about. the host is so smart and went so in depth with this subject. Great to watch.
its funny you say that, I said 'I thought I knew about this subject, but obviously there is far more to it and this showed me a different and depth side. That is all. I don't pretend to know everything but obviously you do right? because I didn't know this side to this subject then 'obviously' I am very 'sheltered' and my life is perfect. Maybe don't judge others if you don't know me.
Does anyone else feel like that this just isn't that weird? I'm a cis-girl and I just don't think it's that weird to want to be a female sometimes if you're a male, without wanting to transition and still have happy hetero marriages. Who cares? They're enjoying themselves.
Not at all. Hey, if there are women who like to dress masculine in baggy pants, baggy shirts, men's jeans, and so on, why is it so farfetched to see the opposite with men liking feminine clothing? :)
Most girls aren't attracted to men being sissies. They want that masculine alpha type. This behavior is dangerous for a straight male and can lead farther down into gaiety
I'm 54 and here in Houston, Texas we have people like these and I had "MY" S.R.S. in 1988 you do the math and I.m so homely and very frighting to look at but the "'Y" chromosome humans just want to devour me like crazy I just love living & sleeping & eating all alone!
It is very difficult to pass as a woman without cosmetic surgery, due to the forehead bridge men have, the Adam's apple and usually a strong jaw. Then, of course the voice. I do support them, however, I think everyone deserves to be happy.
You seem to have a negative feeling towards transgender/transexual women. Being transgender is very different than being a transvestite. You stated that you still enjoy being a man. As a transgender woman, I've never been comfortable as the male gender. I have gender dysphoria. Obviously, you do not have gender dysphoria. I also realize that I have embraced the American traditional role as a feminine woman, but that's the culture I was raised in and I feel comfortable in that role. Some of my transgender female friends are more masculine and have a more tom boyish role, but nonetheless, they feel living as a full female is more natural to them than living as male. Some trans women feel the need to have the gender reassignment surgery due to truly feeling female (Gender Dysphoria)...You may never understand that. But it's real and it's been very healing emotionally and mentally to many trans people.
these guys need to understand what women do as they get older...less makeup!! I understand they need to cover their bears, 5 o'clock shadows but it just settles into their wrinkles and creases and makes them look old.. and i know this is an old documentary but can you imagine what their makeup looks like now?
You are so right, less is more though I have a theory on why these men tend to go overboard. My guess is that because they suppressed their desire to crossdress for so long, when they finally get the courage to do it, they try to mimic the way young women do their makeup because they think it's the highest form of stereotypical beauty but they don't understand that it just doesn't look too flattering on them in their maturer age. It's also the same reason why they may wear dresses/outfits that don't flatter their body much. If they accepted crossdressing when they were younger, the lots of makeup look wouldn't look as discerning so it's better to just try to go for the minimalist look.
To each his own. My brother-in-law is a cross dresser. He comes to family functions in makeup and pink fingernails. He does not usually wear womens clothes. He is a kind and wonderful man.
Some believe that the condition known as post-partum depression after the birth of a son may have exposed the male fetus to an estrogen bath doing the third trimester of his mother's pregnancy. Since post-partum depression is caused by an extreme hormone imbalance in the mother it would seem to make sense to me.
Curtis King No, women are predisposed to post partum depression before giving birth. Many women who develop PPD had depression throughout their pregnancy. This chemical imbalance is what I'm referring to though much more needs to be studied.
It's justified. Some of the men in this documentary only resort to femininity as a fetish. It gives them a kick. It has nothing to do with being transsexual. It's interesting that the narrator mentions that cross-dressers are the last true Victorian women and that only THEY get the symbolic meaning behind women's clothes. What on earth is this symbolic meaning? A lot of Victorian women's clothing was awfully restrictive. It just shows that they (consciously/unconsciously) see feminity as subordinate to masculinity and that's a turn on for them. The dude keeps talking about dresses symbolizing fragility, submissiveness, innocence, etc.... As a woman I find this offensive and nauseauting.
I agree with Charles Pinsky ... if a man wants to wear women clothes I don't mind that at all ... but when a man thinks he is really a woman ... then it gets to a point where one must ask oneself if it is healthy to support their dellusions till the point they mutilate themselves through surgery and after that are most likely to commit suicide
It's like your husband suddenly becomes a very expensive pet cat who wants to only hang out with other cats and groom themselves and prance around looking cute.
all the world is a stage ... we are allowed to wear many costumes ... and when the play is over ... we go back to our mundane existence ... so what? big deal .......
If you think about it, cross dressing is basically opposite gender cosplay. I’m sure some cross dressers are actually trans and are figuring themselves out but it’s not such a complex activity
Interesting that some said they felt calmer and more happy inside by changing what their wearing on the outside. I bet it would be more fun if they can pull it off without quizzical looks or glances from others. Such a judgmental world we live in, to each his or her own!
I don't know what it is, but I strongly believe in my personal case, abandonment issues led my psyche to create the female character that cannot leave me. It's weird, it's sad, but it is what it is.
I was shocked and offended when (@t=26m41s) the transvestite guy told the trans woman that trans people are only trans because they have problems and deal with their problems through surgery. Ummm.... W0t? Transvestites are great in my book, but this particular guy is EXTREMELY judgmental and uneducated about the lives of trans people and gender dysphoria. It was as though he was projecting all the hate he gets as a transvestite and passing it off to the transgender woman. Can you be any more insensitive? Of all people I expected the transvestite man to be empathic or sympathetic of the trans woman's experience. GUH.
+Asphyxia612 I mean, maybe, but honestly in the perspective of things, I'm not sure such a broad generalization is helpful in understanding this situation. The only thing I imagine a comment like that would do is upset guys and make them not want to talk to us.
I think he was so jelous that he couldn't handle it any other way. And felt irritated that he even has that kind of unresolved feelings within him. That is how i saw the situation. It was hard for me to watch too. And keep repeating "but I'm a man, i'm a man..." in front of her... trying to convience himself and others even though i personaly belive he is not truly inside. Good luck to all outhere strugeling with their gender identity and disphoria. My heart goes with you.
Just to put context, the documentary is from 2004. Does it excuse it? Not really. I cringed a lot a this part (and some others too) too personally, and problematic views are and will always be problematic. But the landscape of trans sensibilisation in the last 15 years is overwhelmingly different. Generally Perry does a great work of bringing people of different background together, that's what all of his body of work as an artist and public figure is about, especially around toxic masculinity and classism. I won't bother trying to tell you he is great, you make your own mind, but at the best maybe you can be glad that so much work have been done since then that would prevent any missteps like those. It mind sounds surprising to some people, but sometimes, people genuinly grow out of problematic views and feeling, and more and more do so thanks to the work done.
And women are supposed to just bend over and take everything and are not allowed to make logical arguments or even take into consideration their own safety if they hurt people's feelings...
I don’t think they are twisted or disgusting! I think everyone has the right to be whoever they want as long as they are not hurting themselves or anyone else. If my husband came home tomorrow and said he wanted to dress like a woman I would be fine with that I would be a little concerned if he did it when we were out in public because I know what ridicule he would face in this world is really in bad shape right now and people would kill another human being over something like that. I think people are, Individuals with individual likes dislikes and I think they should be able to express themselves. What are our clothes anyway but coverings to cover our naked bodies. Nothing more nothing less. Live and let live.
Some people collect cars, books, antiques and other objects and they are very happy with it, I as a straight crossdresser collect dresses, lingerie ,wigs, skirts, heels and jewelry, wear them to look beautiful and feminine, and I am very very happy...Great Documentary......😜👱♀️🤭😃😊
I don’t get it, just because you “feel something is there” it doesn’t mean you have to act on it. There’s lots of things people FEEL but don’t do because it’s immoral, inconsiderate and selfish behavior. These men are narcissists in that they prioritize their own fetish over their families. I highly doubt there’s a single wife, daughter or son who is comfortable with their husband or dad dressing as a woman because he can’t control his sexual desires. Maybe if they themselves are degenerate, but a vast majority would disapprove. Commitment to marriage and family involves sacrifice. We ALL have desires and fantasies of different types (like sleeping with someone outside of your marriage) that doesn’t mean we ACT on it, hopefully we have enough integrity not to. This is worse than cheating in that it’s a lot more public, especially considering they are participating in this documentary. These men act so entitled, as if it’s a compulsion that they can’t resist. That’s a complete cop out and an excuse for their selfishness. Not only that, they look nothing like real women. They look like ridiculous perverts and degenerates. Disgusting!
Especially how one said it was more than a bit of fun. We see males now who say they’re women yet have full on beards and hairy chests. Like they don’t even try. Do they not realize how foolish they look?
He never said he wore them, and collecting dresses is not needed to specialize in gender issues either. So, still wondering if he just collects them to look or feel them, or if he wears them. Either way it is more than an academic viewpoint, but wondering from what angle.
I think he touches on it here. Men in history did not Need to, as their clothes were sometimes even more extravagant than women' s (Upper class males of course. Nothing changes for the serfs) Take a look at European courts through the Ages It is only when we reach the 19th century that men have to dress literally like Dummies. Humans are one of the few species where the males are actually drabber than the females. Usually they get the bling, while the female is some drab little brown thing in a corner. BUT it means they are actually more powerful. They get to choose which peacock (sometimes literally) From a purely fashion point of view, modern dress has to be the most drab, uninventive and boring Ever. Hoodies (Yawn) And everyone looks the same. Male, female, no one cares about making a statement any more. Says a lot about the current state of humanity. Lets be part of the unthinking herd. It's easier.
n. p. I can’t believe this guy truly thinks he looks fashionable especially the blue one he’s wearing when they’re looking at wedding dresses it looks and he’s trying to be Alice from Alice and wonderland lol! It’s funny seeing what men think they look good in as a woman especially when they don’t dress their age! I’ll never understand it although I don’t think anyone will not even the men doing it...
Simple answer, they don't dress for their age because they feel like they missed out dressing femininely in their youth and try to make up for lost time but unfortunately, they don't realize that it just doesn't look good on them. They could still look feminine dressing their age while still being stylish. They need to take advice/style tips from older women.
When the Beatles hit the scene in the 1960's a ;lot of people almost had strokes about boys with long hair. Then they went to church with pictures of Jesus with shoulder length hair. Go figure.
Men wear dresses because: - they are comfortable - they are cool in summer - in Scotland they are called Kilts and it is the national costume - in ancient times everyone wore something akin to dresses, because trousers hadnt yet been invented - it's a hobby, just like painting, designing, creating. - they are dress designers and are modeling their own creations.
If we were all free to live our secrets, we’d realize the strangest parts of our souls are extraordinary average.
that is an awesome quote
Wonderfully said
Agreed
Keep your fetish in your bedroom.
People are people. If you want to dress, then do. I couldn't care less. Just be a good person.
And try to dress for your size lol
Exactly
Mary Beason....you have a great thought, be a good person is what matters....congrats to you for your thinking.
I couldn't agree more, being kind is everything and no harm is being done to anyone here.
It seems Britain is more accepting in men who wear dresses compared to here in the states.
good for this guy for sitting down and talking with these young men about this. he put himself on the spot and handled it quite well
any relation to a jamie?? and lets not forget bis people
I admire anyone with the courage to be themselves.
So do I... but I don't call this being themselves.
@@marty51100 I do.
@@marty51100 you sound like a very confused, sad, little man...
Being true to yourself is always in fashion.
Would be nice, but is surely wasn't always in fashion. I really doubt it is today.
Mental illness is not in fashion
Being true to your partner as well and being forthcoming is more in than cross dressing in secrecy!!!! And hurting the ones you love
I think this actually illustrates a very important point which is that DRESSING OR ACTING FEMININE IS NOT AN INVITATION FOR MALE SEXUAL ATTENTION.
So what do you call it? I don't even do that for male--or female--attention and I'm a straight woman!
Seen a post on fb yesterday that said my girlfriend wears my shirt to bed wears my hoodie when cold wears a wife beater to clean house and even my boxers to get "comfy " I wear one thing of hers and we need to go see a therapist. What makes it girl clothes vs boys clothes really? Society
Women don't get sexual thrills when dressed in men's clothes
I am a man who is more comfortable instockings garterbelts panties bra with breast forms. Slip &dress then anything male. I truly love to wear female clothing,!
We have a double standard in the world of today ! It is fine for a woman to wear a tie slacks and a shirt and no one says anything negative ! But if a man wears a pretty dress he is reduced or even at times beaten up.What. a pathetic sovciety we live in now days! STEVE Baird
@@christiepopify some do.
most cisgender straight females do that because we feel comforted by the smell of boyfriends on the clothing and it's a way to feel close. Just saying.
If they are happy and kind humans who cares...hurting no one
Well said Shally Light
you are getting Transsexuals, confused with Transgender it is 2 different things, most transvestites do not want to transition. they just like to dress and feel like a woman.
what about kids whos father or mother runs off with someone else, or is that okay with you? what about kids that are only raised by a grand mother or an aunt, or uncle? the children are not forced to dress like that, and it will not necessarily make them want to dress like that either. they have just as much chance in life as any other kids do.
Kim Chi Yeah, tax payers fund transitions for transgendered people. But these are transvestites. Jesus.
a lot of the time they have the money to do the transition them selves. and some actually have insurance that will help pay for it.
As long as you are good person, loving and caring human, i don't care who you are, what you wear, and you are more than welcome to be my friend and family member ...
Jebla Majku I wish everyone was like you
Jebla Majku Yessss 💖
Jebla Majku AMEN TO THAT!
Yes!
I couldn’t agree more but they need a voice of reason
Can you please publish the original release date of these as I think it's important for the context of these stories.
I agree. I could not find it anywhere, not even IMDb. However, many of the 'Real Stories' docs are circa 2003-2008.
Yeah, the whole transgender part came across as really insensitive to put it lightly
@@oliverfalbo3601 I agree.
according to wikipedia this is from 2005
The stories about couples who stay together through something as huge as coming out as a trans always give me goosebumps. It is like proof of true love. They love each other regardless of anything and everything. It is beautiful.
With the encouragement of my wife, and she in fact went out and bought everything from top to bottom, I have never felt so relaxed, happy and content. Very strong feminine side all my life but now complete. Her family just assumes I am bisexual which isn't far from the truth.
I don't quite understand but I accept it. I think want to dress as a woman is a chore I could never bear, make up, all the accessories, high heels, women have it tougher than men in our society!
They choose to and happily spend huge amounts of money on handbags, makeup and shoes. Nobody is forcing them to wear those high heels.
yeah...that's why women have a harder time than men....they have to keep with the trends...men don't usually care. But as long as their family are not suffering from their overspending, they have the right to spend their money as they please. What about guys who spend all their money in gambling and leave their families starving? I know 'cause my uncle used to be a gambler and was a bum. I'd rather he spent his salary on high heels than on horses!
Keith Lee Nobody is forcing them to do that. It's a choice they make.
Mr ClassicMetal in some countries women are expected to wear make up and high heels, etc. otherwise you are not enough feminine in their stupid eyes
Lol....so many of you are SOOOO MAD! They aren’t disgusting! How is wearing clothes disgusting? I think most of you are mad because you aren’t happy with yourself and you aren’t taking chances in life. Yet here we see people who are being free to be themselves with no apologies. It takes a lonely person to go out of their way to hate people who aren’t lonely and are having fun in life.
So very well said!
Them wearing feminine clothing isn't what's disgusting. What's disgusting is that they fetishize feminity because they associate it with fragility, submissiveness, innocence, etc.... The gender stereotypes that come with femininity (which is a social construct) are very restrictive and harmful to women, yet for these men, it's a turn on. I personally find it very insulting.
Ophelia lol, what a crock. They are emulating women....be flattered. I see men taking risks for their happiness.....
Bullshit? It's basically what some of them say in this documentary! I am not pulling this out of thin air.
Ophelia it’s an opinion.....so it actually is out of “thin air” ....the thin air between your ears.
25:54 The TS person got the Transvestite guy together….bravery is not exclusively a male trait by any means. Assertiveness needs to be accepted from women as well. As a doctor of over 20 years, I’ve had more male patients ask for their wives for support. Women risk death every time they give birth, and I ‘ve experienced only male patients FAINT during laceration repairs, blood draws, and other procedures.
2:00 The way he said, "It's very easy to forget you are in the company of... blokes. Just cracks me up.
Interesting perspective. It would be nice if men could dress in stereotypically feminine ways without it signaling anything but an enjoyment of that way of dressing. That is something women are a bit freer to play with- dressing in stereotypically masculine clothing seems to be more generally acceptable, less an oddity. Well, I suppose I'm speaking very much from the perspective of someone in the U.S.- I imagine three are plenty of places where a women dressing as a man would be shocking, and decried by society as well...
Why it should matter so much to people not involved in their lives is a bit baffling...
With all the troubles in the world, why not allow people some harmless happiness?
why should it matter who wears what cloths, cloths are cloths, i am sure any man if they woke up in the middle of no where naked and the only thing to put on was a dress they would do it until they could get home, and i do not care to wear womens cloths much my self, i prefer jeans and a t shirt, and my chuck Taylors
I love the fact they are being themselves without trying to take away from women and saying they are more than a women. I love their courage
Its all Drag and the Worlds a Runway.. Whether Thug Wear Biker Mod . etc. Its all drag....
The most shocking thing was the Laura Ashley dress with the lace collar.
"To each his (or her) own".
Well done.
Thanks very much for this honest and fun documentary. Very enjoyable and thought-provoking.
Self care is learning to be comfortable inside yourself. Thank you for this program.
I wear women's clothes sometimes, but never had a desire to look super feminine. Sure, I will wear a woman's sweater, jewelry, scarves, jeans, or tennis shoes, but have no desire to wear a dress or high heels or wear any shirt that clearly looks like a woman's shirt. I only wear an article of women's clothing if I find it tasteful and suits my body type. I don't look like a transvestite or drag queen when I wear my clothing items and don't get off on wearing feminine items.
Do what feels right to you, just be honest with your immediate spouse if you have one. I'm supportive of you.
Who are they seeking attention from is exactly my questions when I caught my husband cross dressing stabbing me hard in the heart and corrupting my mind. I felt sick and trapped in the marriage and felt violated. I felt torn. And i felt forced to accept when all of me my being my soul cannot. So I divorced and happy to have enough self-respect not to be swayed to a lifestyle that is just not part of who I am as a person, more than just being a woman or a wife.
Your husband was an agp sadly. Aka heterosexual man with a fetish
Do whatever makes you happy! As long as you do no harm to yourself an to others is all game to me
Even if you look disgusting, immature, and make people uncomfortable
@@angieroman6723 look the other way then.
Are you and your feelings more important than theirs?
And how illmannered is it to be repellent towards them.
And I've gotten attacked by total strangers just minding my own business or wearing a Hello Kitty backpack because they thought I was too old!
About time men regain their right to wear dresses and skirts.
@@Asphyxia612 Cross dressing Men are.
As a XL sized woman I always wondered... how those men, bigger and taller than women, fit women's clothes? And where they get extra large woman's shoes in male sizes?
A few years ago I was sent a catalogue of women’s shoes that went all the way up to size 15 with some even larger. It occurred to me that the catalogue was aimed at men.
The larger ones likely shop plus size and tall like bigger and taller women do.
Not all men are huge. My husband wears a men's medium and I wear a woman's L or XL and I'm too big to fit into all his clothes. When I wear men's/unisex clothes I'm also a L or XL.
There isn't a lot of difference in the sizing of men's vs women's clothing, just the fit is different and women's pants tend to be shorter. Also if you are talking about how men wear their pants the rise tends to be lower.
I feel like a lot of this has to do with men being discouraged from showing emotions and being submissive sexually so they feel like the only way they can express these parts of their personality by dressing up in a feminine way.
+Z zz Aw, someone hurt you. Badly.
I agree. I was going to comment saying this very same thing.
I agree to that. Especially since I've met one, once. He is truly admitted to being submissive and likes it. But ever since he made it clear to himself and the rest of the world he said he'd never been happy :-) And that is all that counts!
hm disagree. look at the bdsm scene, there nobody is discouraged from doing any of those things and there are still sooo many crossdressers
And that scene is hidden! I believe that the point was to be open with it - which isn't easy today's since people are really intolerant and violent. It is important to them to walk freely through the streets dressed up the way they want it, doing whatever they like... It is, at least, what I think was the subject above.
Alot of these men have better legs than me!
Lydia lol same here 😲
Computer User they're in Hollywood
a lot of them look more feminine than me too Lol
They are far less likely to develop cellulite.
Computer User nope , it’s easier for a girl to look like a man than the other way around . Men look ugly in women clothes that why it’s always a funny joke in movies /tv .
Everyone has the right to be happy in their own way. I'm always just amazed though that they choose such frumpy frocks! 😱
I'm so lucky to have a feminine facial structure, I can put on makeup and look genuine, finding shoes is another matter entirely.
The "girl" @6:05 dressed like me in high school. Lol!
Sorry, Emma
Been there, done that. A non toxic, non violent form of escapism in my youth, which I kind of outgrew, yet never quite the same going solo?
Awe. They all look so sweet. I'm glad they have a trade show they can attend. Why is the world so cruel to people who are different. Our differences are what makes us human. We all have our own little closet people. Here's a thought - don't judge.
I will keep on judging if I damn please to do so... it's nobody's business if I do... and there is nothing you can do about it. I am the only owner of my thoughts. Besides... it is everyone's self-respect to develop a sense of judgement.
Thank you for the deeper look you took to this subject. Much appreciated.
I found this gent's insights into the phenomenon of transvestism crazy making because he limites his evaluations entirely within the British cultural context. Cross dressing and transexualism isn't predominantly a British thing, a Western European thing, an American thing . . . ad nauseum. I would have valued his candor and exploration so much more if he'd broadened his perspective to the pretty much global and all too human aspect all these variations are.
I am dating a straight crossdresser. Best part is I get to borrow his Mac makeup, wigs and jewelry. He's lucky we don't wear the same shoe size. The alpha male is such a turn off for me.
My boyfriend share clothing/make-up all the time! He is very androgynous anyway and rocks my skirts better than me. He is SO hot! I don't like alpha/meatheads either.
Glitter Maiden wtf😎
I feel sorry for men who have to wear business suits. They don't get as much variety as women get in their everyday dress options. Interesting show. I love Grayson Perry.
So freaking true lol I hate the limited options men have when it comes to office wear... Don't take your options for granted ladies haha
I think it's pretty hypocritical that he wants people to understand transvestitism and yet he himself doesn't understand transgenderism. I find it a bit confusing how he wants men to be able to express their emotions more and be more feminine yet instead of implementing that in his life he just goes out and dresses as a woman, as if that's the only answer.
I am the product of mother and a father. Both of whom loved me very much. Both characters are alive within me. I draw on the strength of both of them as the occasion requires. I let them run freely in my mind. Dressing as a female is confirming the love of my father for my mother. Of course I would not expect a one dimensional corpse to ever understand.
Richard Bedford is that means you feel more loved when you wear women’s clothes?
It must be Shinta Senturi, 65 years ago as a child of 12 years old, I asked my mother, Mom what does love feel like? The answer she gave described exactly the feeling I have when I dress myself as a girl. The answer is that there is no greater feeling than love.
I see.. I understand, I will treat my crossdressing friends with more love and care. 😊
Whatever isn’t considered “mainstream” is going to get stares and questions asked. As long as people are respectful of the person and those “different” people aren’t hurting anyone, then it is what it is. I’m glad they have found a way to make themselves happy. Everyone deserves that.
if my dad become a transvestite i will still and always love him forever
Wow thanks so much for sharing this explorative doc. I learned so much and found some rather necessary information about myself.
very cool ps i recently discovered bishops in my family i dont know much about that line of things only 1 whose glbt named amy but we havent really met or conncted much , are ties are in canada mostly and theres chapelles and remplesetc
I disagree about cross-dressing starting up in the 19th century. What about the Molly Houses of the 17th and 18th centuries? Many of the men there dressed as women.
The beautiful thing about being a human being is that we are not here to judge; we are here to love each other.
Wow, I first saw this on Channel 4 almost twenty years ago. But I haven't been able to find it since, so thanks for putting it here!
You're gorgeous and amazing! Thank you for sharing this and being so open. I love your spirit and all your photo's. You're a beautiful person, inside and out! THANK YOU❤
wow, thank you for sharing this doco with us. It was mind blowing and showed me a side of life I thought I knew about but obviously had no idea about. the host is so smart and went so in depth with this subject. Great to watch.
Christ, you've lead a sheltered life ..
its funny you say that, I said 'I thought I knew about this subject, but obviously there is far more to it and this showed me a different and depth side. That is all. I don't pretend to know everything but obviously you do right? because I didn't know this side to this subject then 'obviously' I am very 'sheltered' and my life is perfect. Maybe don't judge others if you don't know me.
I loved when men dressed like dandies, with ribboned queues, French cuffs, and flared velvet coats. Think early Adam 🐜.
yes yes yes
F8oK8 like early Duran Duran dressing up in frilly clothes-super sexy
Me too
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Omg playing a woman is heavenly
dressing feminine is so wonderfully
heaven.so deep inside me I'm Janice it's a beautiful place a feeling
Autogynephila
Does anyone else feel like that this just isn't that weird? I'm a cis-girl and I just don't think it's that weird to want to be a female sometimes if you're a male, without wanting to transition and still have happy hetero marriages. Who cares? They're enjoying themselves.
mckenzie iglehart yeah I agree.
mckenzie iglehart agree
Not at all. Hey, if there are women who like to dress masculine in baggy pants, baggy shirts, men's jeans, and so on, why is it so farfetched to see the opposite with men liking feminine clothing? :)
Do you find it weird when women like to look masculine? (Think someone like Ellen DeGeneres).
Most girls aren't attracted to men being sissies. They want that masculine alpha type. This behavior is dangerous for a straight male and can lead farther down into gaiety
I'm 54 and here in Houston, Texas we have people like these and I had "MY"
S.R.S. in 1988 you do the math and I.m so homely and very frighting to look at but the "'Y" chromosome humans just want to devour me like crazy I just love living & sleeping & eating all alone!
oh honey don't put yourself down. You're beautiful.
So glad they are passable!
Perhaps if they had better taste in clothes... What makes them choose the garments they do??
It is very difficult to pass as a woman without cosmetic surgery, due to the forehead bridge men have, the Adam's apple and usually a strong jaw. Then, of course the voice. I do support them, however, I think everyone deserves to be happy.
If that is happy, I prefer being what appears to be miserable.
I can tell you the majority of the hate comments come from America
@@laurietopp6445 I am American I am not judging, keep in mind it depends sometimes where you are from in America we are not all the same.
he is the 'HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA' man!!
keep your fetish in the bedroom and away from public spaces
Homophobic much ,lol
you first
You seem to have a negative feeling towards transgender/transexual women. Being transgender is very different than being a transvestite. You stated that you still enjoy being a man. As a transgender woman, I've never been comfortable as the male gender. I have gender dysphoria. Obviously, you do not have gender dysphoria. I also realize that I have embraced the American traditional role as a feminine woman, but that's the culture I was raised in and I feel comfortable in that role. Some of my transgender female friends are more masculine and have a more tom boyish role, but nonetheless, they feel living as a full female is more natural to them than living as male. Some trans women feel the need to have the gender reassignment surgery due to truly feeling female (Gender Dysphoria)...You may never understand that. But it's real and it's been very healing emotionally and mentally to many trans people.
these guys need to understand what women do as they get older...less makeup!! I understand they need to cover their bears, 5 o'clock shadows but it just settles into their wrinkles and creases and makes them look old.. and i know this is an old documentary but can you imagine what their makeup looks like now?
I think you have a very good point there.
You are so right, less is more though I have a theory on why these men tend to go overboard. My guess is that because they suppressed their desire to crossdress for so long, when they finally get the courage to do it, they try to mimic the way young women do their makeup because they think it's the highest form of stereotypical beauty but they don't understand that it just doesn't look too flattering on them in their maturer age. It's also the same reason why they may wear dresses/outfits that don't flatter their body much.
If they accepted crossdressing when they were younger, the lots of makeup look wouldn't look as discerning so it's better to just try to go for the minimalist look.
To each his own. My brother-in-law is a cross dresser. He comes to family functions in makeup and pink fingernails. He does not usually wear womens clothes. He is a kind and wonderful man.
Some believe that the condition known as post-partum depression after the birth of a son may have exposed the male fetus to an estrogen bath doing the third trimester of his mother's pregnancy.
Since post-partum depression is caused by an extreme hormone imbalance in the mother it would seem to make sense to me.
Water Melon
That's really interesting! Do you know of any study in particular that examines this?
Samantha Divis :Come on! Post partum depression AFTER the birth......affects fetus before birth?
Curtis King
No, women are predisposed to post partum depression before giving birth. Many women who develop PPD had depression throughout their pregnancy. This chemical imbalance is what I'm referring to though much more needs to be studied.
Honestly, the saddest part of all of this is the comments section...
Charles Pinsky what course of action would you recommend to alleviate their mental distress then?
Agreed, Mike!
Charles Pinsky I'm really curious to see where this information came from, could you please direct me to the source?
It's justified. Some of the men in this documentary only resort to femininity as a fetish. It gives them a kick. It has nothing to do with being transsexual. It's interesting that the narrator mentions that cross-dressers are the last true Victorian women and that only THEY get the symbolic meaning behind women's clothes. What on earth is this symbolic meaning? A lot of Victorian women's clothing was awfully restrictive. It just shows that they (consciously/unconsciously) see feminity as subordinate to masculinity and that's a turn on for them. The dude keeps talking about dresses symbolizing fragility, submissiveness, innocence, etc.... As a woman I find this offensive and nauseauting.
I agree with Charles Pinsky ... if a man wants to wear women clothes I don't mind that at all ... but when a man thinks he is really a woman ... then it gets to a point where one must ask oneself if it is healthy to support their dellusions till the point they mutilate themselves through surgery and after that are most likely to commit suicide
what a great doc. My, I learnt so much about men who like femine sides. Good for them.
Is that?!..... is that.... Camilla Parker Bowles?
YourMama Knows lmaooooo I was thinking the same thing!!!!
It's like your husband suddenly becomes a very expensive pet cat who wants to only hang out with other cats and groom themselves and prance around looking cute.
Great documentary, but I don’t feel like it explored the emotional experience of femininity for men. Well done Grayson!
Grayson is amazing and intellectually intriguing. Well done on your BAA.
all the world is a stage ... we are allowed to wear many costumes ... and when the play is over ... we go back to our mundane existence ... so what? big deal .......
This is interesting to watch. They arent hurting anyone and seem relatively happy.
what struck me?
a lot in the men riding their bikes could have easily been the men at the holiday weekend.
so he was completely right.
Everybody deserves to be happy
back when a dude in a dress was not called transgender, gender fluid, or whatever else names they can come up with
Old men, transvestites != transgender. Duh Tell me, does maya look like a dude in a dress???
I think not. ruclips.net/video/WdcT2CiEmpc/видео.html
If you think about it, cross dressing is basically opposite gender cosplay. I’m sure some cross dressers are actually trans and are figuring themselves out but it’s not such a complex activity
Interesting that some said they felt calmer and more happy inside by changing what their wearing on the outside. I bet it would be more fun if they can pull it off without quizzical looks or glances from others. Such a judgmental world we live in, to each his or her own!
big bunch of boygirls having tea in their macho voices so funny
Personally if my man did this I’d be gone....
Thank you, Phyllis! Now I know that I'm not the crazy one here.
People are so busy being normal for society, why can we be are selfs than being what society wants us to be.
Nowadays society wants us to crossdress and everyone is ordered to accept it.
Whatever floats your boat. But I like to see men dressed as men.
Sounds like crossdressing is escapism. We all need an escape or break from a stressful life.
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Very well done, I thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you.
I don't know what it is, but I strongly believe in my personal case, abandonment issues led my psyche to create the female character that cannot leave me. It's weird, it's sad, but it is what it is.
this actually reminds me of freddie mercury crossing in some of the his mvs
The narrator kinda looks like Robert Plant😋 He's cute👍🏻
I was shocked and offended when (@t=26m41s) the transvestite guy told the trans woman that trans people are only trans because they have problems and deal with their problems through surgery. Ummm.... W0t? Transvestites are great in my book, but this particular guy is EXTREMELY judgmental and uneducated about the lives of trans people and gender dysphoria. It was as though he was projecting all the hate he gets as a transvestite and passing it off to the transgender woman. Can you be any more insensitive? Of all people I expected the transvestite man to be empathic or sympathetic of the trans woman's experience. GUH.
+Asphyxia612 What do you mean by that?
+Asphyxia612 I mean, maybe, but honestly in the perspective of things, I'm not sure such a broad generalization is helpful in understanding this situation. The only thing I imagine a comment like that would do is upset guys and make them not want to talk to us.
I think he was so jelous that he couldn't handle it any other way. And felt irritated that he even has that kind of unresolved feelings within him. That is how i saw the situation. It was hard for me to watch too. And keep repeating "but I'm a man, i'm a man..." in front of her... trying to convience himself and others even though i personaly belive he is not truly inside. Good luck to all outhere strugeling with their gender identity and disphoria. My heart goes with you.
Just to put context, the documentary is from 2004. Does it excuse it? Not really. I cringed a lot a this part (and some others too) too personally, and problematic views are and will always be problematic. But the landscape of trans sensibilisation in the last 15 years is overwhelmingly different. Generally Perry does a great work of bringing people of different background together, that's what all of his body of work as an artist and public figure is about, especially around toxic masculinity and classism. I won't bother trying to tell you he is great, you make your own mind, but at the best maybe you can be glad that so much work have been done since then that would prevent any missteps like those. It mind sounds surprising to some people, but sometimes, people genuinly grow out of problematic views and feeling, and more and more do so thanks to the work done.
And women are supposed to just bend over and take everything and are not allowed to make logical arguments or even take into consideration their own safety if they hurt people's feelings...
Thank you for your sensitive sharing.
I don’t think they are twisted or disgusting! I think everyone has the right to be whoever they want as long as they are not hurting themselves or anyone else. If my husband came home tomorrow and said he wanted to dress like a woman I would be fine with that I would be a little concerned if he did it when we were out in public because I know what ridicule he would face in this world is really in bad shape right now and people would kill another human being over something like that. I think people are, Individuals with individual likes dislikes and I think they should be able to express themselves. What are our clothes anyway but coverings to cover our naked bodies. Nothing more nothing less. Live and let live.
The biggest issue here is that they don't know how to style themselves...
Some people collect cars, books, antiques and other objects and they are very happy with it, I as a straight crossdresser collect dresses, lingerie ,wigs, skirts, heels and jewelry, wear them to look beautiful and feminine, and I am very very happy...Great Documentary......😜👱♀️🤭😃😊
I don’t get it, just because you “feel something is there” it doesn’t mean you have to act on it. There’s lots of things people FEEL but don’t do because it’s immoral, inconsiderate and selfish behavior.
These men are narcissists in that they prioritize their own fetish over their families. I highly doubt there’s a single wife, daughter or son who is comfortable with their husband or dad dressing as a woman because he can’t control his sexual desires. Maybe if they themselves are degenerate, but a vast majority would disapprove.
Commitment to marriage and family involves sacrifice. We ALL have desires and fantasies of different types (like sleeping with someone outside of your marriage) that doesn’t mean we ACT on it, hopefully we have enough integrity not to. This is worse than cheating in that it’s a lot more public, especially considering they are participating in this documentary.
These men act so entitled, as if it’s a compulsion that they can’t resist. That’s a complete cop out and an excuse for their selfishness. Not only that, they look nothing like real women. They look like ridiculous perverts and degenerates. Disgusting!
maybe one day you will allow yourself to do it, accept yourself, and quit hating them out of envy
Especially how one said it was more than a bit of fun. We see males now who say they’re women yet have full on beards and hairy chests. Like they don’t even try. Do they not realize how foolish they look?
To each is his own but please wear clothes that flatter you.
Ok waiiit a minute. My burning question is;
Did the historian simply collect those dresses, or did he wear them as well?
n. p. No, he wears them which is why the narrator mentioned that his interest was a bit more than just academic. LoL
He never said he wore them, and collecting dresses is not needed to specialize in gender issues either. So, still wondering if he just collects them to look or feel them, or if he wears them. Either way it is more than an academic viewpoint, but wondering from what angle.
n. p. ...........Oh rly?
There seems to be more cross-dressing men than women...I've often wondered why. God bless you all! May we all have freedom to be ourselves!
I think he touches on it here. Men in history did not Need to, as their clothes were sometimes even more extravagant than women' s (Upper class males of course. Nothing changes for the serfs) Take a look at European courts through the Ages It is only when we reach the 19th century that men have to dress literally like Dummies. Humans are one of the few species where the males are actually drabber than the females. Usually they get the bling, while the female is some drab little brown thing in a corner. BUT it means they are actually more powerful. They get to choose which peacock (sometimes literally)
From a purely fashion point of view, modern dress has to be the most drab, uninventive and boring Ever. Hoodies (Yawn) And everyone looks the same. Male, female, no one cares about making a statement any more. Says a lot about the current state of humanity. Lets be part of the unthinking herd. It's easier.
Great, I'm like that, it's just nice to be a transvestite
Remind me if the man from American horror story hotel. Very interesting
Love the Ramones T-shirt!
Where do they find these outfits?
Katie Shaw from dead dumpy housewife estate sales.
n. p. I can’t believe this guy truly thinks he looks fashionable especially the blue one he’s wearing when they’re looking at wedding dresses it looks and he’s trying to be Alice from Alice and wonderland lol! It’s funny seeing what men think they look good in as a woman especially when they don’t dress their age! I’ll never understand it although I don’t think anyone will not even the men doing it...
I'm kinda having the same problem understanding that part and taking him seriously even tho I immensely respect him as an artist.
Simple answer, they don't dress for their age because they feel like they missed out dressing femininely in their youth and try to make up for lost time but unfortunately, they don't realize that it just doesn't look good on them. They could still look feminine dressing their age while still being stylish. They need to take advice/style tips from older women.
Especially the shoes!
When the Beatles hit the scene in the 1960's a ;lot of people almost had strokes about boys with long hair. Then they went to church with pictures of Jesus with shoulder length hair. Go figure.
Men wear dresses because:
- they are comfortable
- they are cool in summer
- in Scotland they are called Kilts and it is the national costume
- in ancient times everyone wore something akin to dresses, because trousers hadnt yet been invented
- it's a hobby, just like painting, designing, creating.
- they are dress designers and are modeling their own creations.
some people have way too much fashion sense for one gender, this is from to wong foo movie, these people are having a blast !