Personally I always like 6011 on rusty steel, much easier to start on rusty metal and the Flux burns through paint or rust better in my opinion. 7018 is definitely stronger but needs a cleaner surface.
Farm welding is good therapy time. It's just you and your welding machine doing it the way you want to do it. Like I say at times " IT'S ALL GOOD IN THE HOOD".
In my experiences, when welding iron that has been downhole for any length of time, particularly sucker rod, it is beneficial to preheat. It takes a few moments but the result is far less cracking. From what i have been taught, sucker rod is high in tensile strength but is brittle. Preheat tends to help mitigate this. I try to go 3" on either side of the weld to about 6-800°. It takes just a moment with a rosebud, but has all but eliminated cracks for me even when saddling on production pipe. Just my .02 on what has worked for me.
A buddy of mine and I built a couple of 40x40 sucker rod horse pens about 25 years ago. We lasered the holes post to post , then slid the rod through. Ran a full bead around the rod. It turned out good. The only draw back, is if cattle hit and bend them, it’s harder to replace.
That weld that you mentioned underneath the sucker rod is important also when it comes to a real cold front coming thru and the top weld wants to draw up and possibly crack.
Austin you’ve been my go to for information on oil field pipe building/fabrication. Currently doing my property perimeter in 2-7/8 Pipe. My experience here in Southern California is the 3/32 6011 works best. Love all your content brother!
Acetylene tanks have acetone in them that is soaked in the mat material inside the tank. With it being laid down and being used the liquid acetone can come up the hose, through the tip and blow up. Fron what Ive heard.
I used golf hats for welding for over 30 years. Usually keeps the sparks out of my ears and off of my beautiful hair 😆 I used both bottles laying down but valve end up on a 4 x4 so inclined up. I learned the hard way never let the valve end be inclined down. The oxygen ruptured the regulator and blew the hose like a bomb. I had the bottles on a truck with a 4 x 4 tilting them up but the truck was tilted. And I didn't really notice. Not big on laying them down any more.
Thanks for sharing with us today Austin. I enjoyed the farm way segment and it looked great too. Stay safe aroud there and keep up the great videos. Fred.
I share your enthusiasm for simple task around the farm or ranch. They provide a solid feeling of accomplishment because the rewards are immediate. Killing me walking on the back of your pants though 🙂
In welding school when we did our bend test we did 6010 uphill root then 7018 hot pass filler and cap. The only downhill 60 series welding we did was 6012 and 6013
The first time I welded on sucker rod, I had a devil of a time. Used sucker rod becomes magnetic over time in the earth. Apparently it does not like DC welding.There are ways to eliminate the problems if you research it. It sure does make good fence rails though!
7018 as apposed 6010 The first 2 numbers refer to tensile strength 7018 is stronger it also has more ductility and less prone to cracking because of a more refined grain structure (low hydrogen). It is always good to do more than one pass as each pass refines the former passes grain structure and pulls out hydrogen and is less prone to cracking . It is good also to have your rod metal a higher tensile strength than your parent metal . Welding higher carbon and high tensile drill stem One would be advised to weld with 11018
In my experience 6010/11 is a fast freeze rod and will penetrate and can be welded in all positions, 7018 is cleaner higher tensile strength and can be welded in all positions but does not penetrate as well
We used clips rather than welding the rod to the pipe. We had a feedlot in my younger years that the rods were welded to the pipe and the cattle were always breaking it. We had pretty good luck with the clips.
So way back in 1985 when I was in Vo-Tech they they called 6010 a fast freeze rod that was prone to cracking if it had to flex much. Then 7018 has what they called ductility. That allows it to move without breaking might be why it works better. You talked about down hilling 7018. all through Vo-Tech I was always, always told to only weld hill with 7018 never ever downhill. Then on first full time welding job after VoTech I was sent to a school for one week up in Lincoln, Nebraska to become a certified National Crane installer / repair welder for them. So the very first weld they had us do to install the crane sub frame to a truck was a 3/4” multi pass DOWN HILL fillet weld. The thing is we had to welding 3/4” thick steel plates to the 1/4” subframe. Then you would bolt the 3/4” plate to the truck frame. I alway that that was funny. Sorry for being so long when did with my story
Glad to see even you can stick a rod every now and then! 😂 For the new welders in chat, 6010 is 10000 lbs/ sq in weaker than 7018. The first 2 digits of the 4 number rod designation refers to the tenisle straemgth of a weld made in perfect conditions. 6010 is a fast-freeze rod. It works best is open-root situations. 7018 is a fill-feeeze rod, it's better for fill and hot pass on open root welds.
that is actually by the book! I JUST did my oxyfuel cutting class in school. Normally you aren't supposed to store on its side but in some situations you gotta do what you gotta do. rule of thumb is MINIMUM 1 hour. And although the book didnt say anything about it. IMO if it sits for a long time I'd personally say 2 hours to be safe.
Acetylene is dissolved in asatone and the tank has to be upright long enough for the liquid to flow back down or you can have problems with two different flammable substances at once and it will damage the regulators.
Good chioce in the E7018 for that sucker rod and or re-bar... a lot of junk and carbon in those steels.May I reccomend you switch to 1/8" dia better fill and strike /restrike [3/32" x 14" long rod quivers and shakes often sticks on first light up,even for the best welders. These rods were 9 to 12" long to prevent that untill the 1970s]. Give it a try and report back in a video sometime.🥲
Austin, why do you preheat the whole area on that sucker rod when you are going to burn it? I only do a spot to start the cut and on round stock I frequent make the preheat flame slightly oxidizing to start the cut sooner. Also, you know DOT rules you cant transport those welding gas cylinders without either the cap on or a DOT approved safety collar to protect the valve.
On our military wreckers the acetylene bottles are mounted horizontal. They are also used horizontal. I would be curious why it’s ok on that application?
Why not air-arc gouging? Works well to remove welds and undesirables. Do you have a compressor to support it? I love firing-it-up in my hobby garage. The neighbors are not too sure though.
Wait. Are you saying the farm where you are welding won't send the xray truck to check your welds, lol. I had always understood 60 rods were really good for welding rusty metal w/o a bunch of preparation.
Unless you are welding in a shop and can grind the rust, scale, dirt off before welding, I would use flux core wire or 6011/7018. I have used self shielded flux core wire with success in the field on sucker rod and oilfield pipe.
8:06 Unrelated to the task - always wondered how come so many rig trucks look to have only an inch or two of rear suspension left? Are you fellas running around on the bump stops? Do you kill tires when you have a trailer on? You got helper bags?
Hey Austin! 👋🏾 on the new rig are you going to put a new welder on it or are you going to switch your machine back and forth between the two? Just curious.
They make plastic t-post clips for attaching the electric fence wire to the t-post. You can weld pieces of t-post to the top like Austin showed the fence had then attach the clips.
Aye Ross this my freshman year of welding im probably thinking too ahead but just for future reference, the machine and tools do I have to buy everything? or will there be shops that would let you borrow machines to get the job done. What I’m looking /interested is pipeline welding and basically be on the road. Greetings from Dallas tx !
Most shop and plant jobs are single hand where you’ll be paid an hourly rate and maybe per diem as for tools some to most will be provided but you may have to bring some of your own like a hood, tig rig, etc. As for pipeline and other rig jobs you’ll be paid straight time which is a high hourly rate or split check that is hourly, a per diem, and rig rent. You’ll need a welding rig with all your tools like a welder, leads, grinders, extension cords, oxy acetylene torch, levels, squares, beveling machines, jack stands, etc. Hope this helps
I'm still confusing why a electric fence around the top of the pen? The lower part of the fence has the weaker sucker rod. The cattle and horses are going to bump into that and surely if grass is growing around the bottoms.
So can I use a 120v flux core welder for 2 7/8 pipe fence? It doesn't have to be structural, just for aesthetics. I have about 100 ft in the front that I want to put up and then make a gate.
@@TexasRedneck I would say yes, it’s gonna be slow, flux core doesn’t deposit metal as fast as stick or solid mig. And a small machine like that is going to hit duty cycle easy, if you don’t give it time to cool. but if you’re only building fence for yourself (aka going slow isn’t costly for the customer) I’d say you can do it. run uphill so the heat helps with penetration, and go for it. Maybe run a test joint and see how it goes
@@rusty_restorations36 Awesome thank you! I was also thinking of doing a good bevel and making more passes if needed. This is just for a front gate to the house. So it doesn't need to hold any animals.
From pulling oil up from a 18:31 down hole pump. The rod moves up and down sucking the oil up and falling back to repeat, the pumps have a one way valve. Old fashioned windmill water pumps use the same idea.
We carry them in our store, but unfortunately our supplier has been having issues so idk if we will ever get any back in stock. We are thinking about making our own but that may take a bit to come around. I’m the mean time, check out this Knox brand. I’ve been trying them lately, I like them so far. Use code AROSSWELDING at check out for 15% off your order knoxfr.com/products/the-weld-professor-pipeliner-edition-fr-shirt-white-red-stitch-with-pearl-snap-button
Kinda like shootin pool...... It's fun to make slop shots ...😁 Just hit that white ball as hard as you Can .....even if the other guys balls get knocked in.....its fun.
It's easier to practice good welds on work that doesn't need it than trying to learn good welding skills on work that counts.
#1 rule for welding: always be comfortable. Yes that includes wearing loafers 🤪
Austin, I got a chuckle out out sticking your rod. It happens to al of us. Thanks for real world welding video.
Thanks for tip on E7018 welding on sucker rod
Personally I always like 6011 on rusty steel, much easier to start on rusty metal and the Flux burns through paint or rust better in my opinion. 7018 is definitely stronger but needs a cleaner surface.
I agree with you. 6011 is a good for welding on structural tubing
I'll second that and throw in 6010 aswell, they dig through the rust and dirt fairly well too
Farm welding is good therapy time. It's just you and your welding machine doing it the way you want to do it. Like I say at times " IT'S ALL GOOD IN THE HOOD".
A lot of us have so much knowledge we need to help young metel fabricators thanks mr.ross
With that bucket hat....He is a cross between the Skipper & Gilligan. 😉
You forgot to say... oh ya that ain't goin no where... when u bunged the chop saw down😂😂😂
Love the Idea of Welding the "Proper Way vs The Farm Way" LL&P
In my experiences, when welding iron that has been downhole for any length of time, particularly sucker rod, it is beneficial to preheat. It takes a few moments but the result is far less cracking. From what i have been taught, sucker rod is high in tensile strength but is brittle. Preheat tends to help mitigate this. I try to go 3" on either side of the weld to about 6-800°. It takes just a moment with a rosebud, but has all but eliminated cracks for me even when saddling on production pipe. Just my .02 on what has worked for me.
Thanks. I was gonna say the same thing.
I love how real your videos are. Stuck rod, good to see it happens to the pros too!
A buddy of mine and I built a couple of 40x40 sucker rod horse pens about 25 years ago. We lasered the holes post to post , then slid the rod through. Ran a full bead around the rod. It turned out good. The only draw back, is if cattle hit and bend them, it’s harder to replace.
good news is its a HECK of a lot harder to break than 1" thin wall pipe or oval fence.
It is so refreshing to watch a guy that really enjoys his work.
That weld that you mentioned underneath the sucker rod is important also when it comes to a real cold front coming thru and the top weld wants to draw up and possibly crack.
Austin you’ve been my go to for information on oil field pipe building/fabrication. Currently doing my property perimeter in 2-7/8 Pipe. My experience here in Southern California is the 3/32 6011 works best. Love all your content brother!
Acetylene tanks have acetone in them that is soaked in the mat material inside the tank. With it being laid down and being used the liquid acetone can come up the hose, through the tip and blow up. Fron what Ive heard.
I used golf hats for welding for over 30 years. Usually keeps the sparks out of my ears and off of my beautiful hair 😆 I used both bottles laying down but valve end up on a 4 x4 so inclined up. I learned the hard way never let the valve end be inclined down. The oxygen ruptured the regulator and blew the hose like a bomb. I had the bottles on a truck with a 4 x 4 tilting them up but the truck was tilted. And I didn't really notice. Not big on laying them down any more.
Thanks for sharing with us today Austin. I enjoyed the farm way segment and it looked great too. Stay safe aroud there and keep up the great videos. Fred.
I love the fact they used old well rods from the oil fields I broke miles of that rod as a kid in the natural gas industry
I share your enthusiasm for simple task around the farm or ranch. They provide a solid feeling of accomplishment because the rewards are immediate. Killing me walking on the back of your pants though 🙂
In welding school when we did our bend test we did 6010 uphill root then 7018 hot pass filler and cap. The only downhill 60 series welding we did was 6012 and 6013
I have been using a slick rod clip at the sucker to post connections as added insurance.
Good to know you still stick an electrode once in a while.
You need to have a flat bill hat with the old rope on it!
Ahh the farm regulation flippy floppies😊
7018 is all a all position rod . Just need to know how to run the rod down hill ( but it is definitely messy )
The first time I welded on sucker rod, I had a devil of a time. Used sucker rod becomes magnetic over time in the earth. Apparently it does not like DC welding.There are ways to eliminate the problems if you research it. It sure does make good fence rails though!
7018 as apposed 6010 The first 2 numbers refer to tensile strength 7018 is stronger it also has more ductility and less prone to cracking because of a more refined grain structure (low hydrogen). It is always good to do more than one pass as each pass refines the former passes grain structure and pulls out hydrogen and is less prone to cracking . It is good also to have your rod metal a higher tensile strength than your parent metal . Welding higher carbon and high tensile drill stem One would be advised to weld with 11018
you sound interesting and informed maybe YOU should make a channel
is drill stem another word for sucker rod? Thanks
That was an impressive fill weld 👍
In my experience 6010/11 is a fast freeze rod and will penetrate and can be welded in all positions, 7018 is cleaner higher tensile strength and can be welded in all positions but does not penetrate as well
I need a good rod bucket like that
We used clips rather than welding the rod to the pipe. We had a feedlot in my younger years that the rods were welded to the pipe and the cattle were always breaking it. We had pretty good luck with the clips.
does the rod slide freely through those clips for expansion and contraction? Thanks
So way back in 1985 when I was in Vo-Tech they they called 6010 a fast freeze rod that was prone to cracking if it had to flex much. Then 7018 has what they called ductility. That allows it to move without breaking might be why it works better. You talked about down hilling 7018. all through Vo-Tech I was always, always told to only weld hill with 7018 never ever downhill. Then on first full time welding job after VoTech I was sent to a school for one week up in Lincoln, Nebraska
to become a certified National Crane installer / repair welder for them. So the very first weld they had us do to install the crane sub frame to a truck was a 3/4” multi pass DOWN HILL fillet weld. The thing is we had to welding 3/4” thick steel plates to the 1/4” subframe. Then you would bolt the 3/4” plate to the truck frame. I alway that that was funny. Sorry for being so long when did with my story
PS always look forward to your new videos and learning something new thank you, Austin!!
Glad to see even you can stick a rod every now and then! 😂
For the new welders in chat, 6010 is 10000 lbs/ sq in weaker than 7018. The first 2 digits of the 4 number rod designation refers to the tenisle straemgth of a weld made in perfect conditions.
6010 is a fast-freeze rod. It works best is open-root situations. 7018 is a fill-feeeze rod, it's better for fill and hot pass on open root welds.
that is actually by the book! I JUST did my oxyfuel cutting class in school. Normally you aren't supposed to store on its side but in some situations you gotta do what you gotta do. rule of thumb is MINIMUM 1 hour. And although the book didnt say anything about it. IMO if it sits for a long time I'd personally say 2 hours to be safe.
Are your britches long enough, and is that a Martin brother shirt made in Wright city Oklahoma.
Acetylene is dissolved in asatone and the tank has to be upright long enough for the liquid to flow back down or you can have problems with two different flammable substances at once and it will damage the regulators.
Welding sucker rod to old oilfield pipe I always use 7010
Us DOT rules govern bottle transportation . Basically the valve must be protected . Acetylene bottles are supposed to be vertical when being used .
Yeah, you gotta pull the regulators and cap the cylinders or buy that safety collar that is DOT rated.
Good chioce in the E7018 for that sucker rod and or re-bar... a lot of junk and carbon in those steels.May I reccomend you switch to 1/8" dia better fill and strike /restrike [3/32" x 14" long rod quivers and shakes often sticks on first light up,even for the best welders. These rods were 9 to 12" long to prevent that untill the 1970s]. Give it a try and report back in a video sometime.🥲
Horses need clean water--the rest of your program is highly educational. An old cowboy and poor welder,-that"s me
Austin, why do you preheat the whole area on that sucker rod when you are going to burn it? I only do a spot to start the cut and on round stock I frequent make the preheat flame slightly oxidizing to start the cut sooner.
Also, you know DOT rules you cant transport those welding gas cylinders without either the cap on or a DOT approved safety collar to protect the valve.
On our military wreckers the acetylene bottles are mounted horizontal. They are also used horizontal. I would be curious why it’s ok on that application?
Why not air-arc gouging? Works well to remove welds and undesirables. Do you have a compressor to support it? I love firing-it-up in my hobby garage. The neighbors are not too sure though.
Probably because that is the worst thing to start fires if anything flammable within 50 feet. Maybe more.
Wait. Are you saying the farm where you are welding won't send the xray truck to check your welds, lol. I had always understood 60 rods were really good for welding rusty metal w/o a bunch of preparation.
One thing you can count on from Old Austin, if the video is 21 minutes long you can skip to the 16 minute mark before he gets to the point
First one love seeing the new vids
Is MIG welding good for sucker rod and low carbon steel? is there any tip or advice you would recommend?
Unless you are welding in a shop and can grind the rust, scale, dirt off before welding, I would use flux core wire or 6011/7018. I have used self shielded flux core wire with success in the field on sucker rod and oilfield pipe.
why did the previous welds fail, Austin? Thanks !
8:06 Unrelated to the task - always wondered how come so many rig trucks look to have only an inch or two of rear suspension left? Are you fellas running around on the bump stops? Do you kill tires when you have a trailer on? You got helper bags?
Hey Austin! 👋🏾 on the new rig are you going to put a new welder on it or are you going to switch your machine back and forth between the two? Just curious.
The new welding bed is for a customer. But if it were for another truck of mine, I would buy another machine.
What do you think about 6011?
Where is the bed ??? I'm waiting for those videos 😢 haha
Austin how you get your Martin bros welding shirts so wrinkle free. You steaming them or just ironing them?
Cleaners. Tell ‘em heavy starch!
With creases!
www.arosswelding.com/shop/xhscleanersbag
But not to heavy I remember the cardboard shirt.
Did you record the shed? If so please do a video on it.
What are the best ways to attach hot wire to top rail sucker rod fence?
They make plastic t-post clips for attaching the electric fence wire to the t-post. You can weld pieces of t-post to the top like Austin showed the fence had then attach the clips.
Aye Ross this my freshman year of welding im probably thinking too ahead but just for future reference, the machine and tools do I have to buy everything? or will there be shops that would let you borrow machines to get the job done. What I’m looking /interested is pipeline welding and basically be on the road. Greetings from Dallas tx !
Most shop and plant jobs are single hand where you’ll be paid an hourly rate and maybe per diem as for tools some to most will be provided but you may have to bring some of your own like a hood, tig rig, etc. As for pipeline and other rig jobs you’ll be paid straight time which is a high hourly rate or split check that is hourly, a per diem, and rig rent. You’ll need a welding rig with all your tools like a welder, leads, grinders, extension cords, oxy acetylene torch, levels, squares, beveling machines, jack stands, etc. Hope this helps
@mikezuzack2469 thank you very much! Definitely helped stay blessed! 🙏🏻
why do you prefer 7018 over 7016?
I'm still confusing why a electric fence around the top of the pen? The lower part of the fence has the weaker sucker rod. The cattle and horses are going to bump into that and surely if grass is growing around the bottoms.
It’s a stud pen… them stud horses like to rate up and try to go up and over if there are mares around.
If you are just starting out and have a newer inverter welding machine, it may not run 6010 or 6011 easily.
Acetylene contains acetone. It will leak out of the valve if laid down for a extended period of time.
I notice pipe welders need to use 601x type rod in a weld joint or the feel cheated...
How long are your leads and what size gauge of lead do you use??
I have around 1000lbs of 8010 rod 6010 lots not even opened. Steel cases 32lbs?
Used to have thousands of pounds of it.
What job site did you steal them from?
would you weld c-purlin to pipe post the same way?
So can I use a 120v flux core welder for 2 7/8 pipe fence? It doesn't have to be structural, just for aesthetics. I have about 100 ft in the front that I want to put up and then make a gate.
Yes you can, IF it has enough power. what kind of welder is it?
@@rusty_restorations36 Hobart Handler 140. I have the .035 and .030 wire. I'd assume I would need to at least use the .035 flux wire.
@@TexasRedneck I would say yes, it’s gonna be slow, flux core doesn’t deposit metal as fast as stick or solid mig. And a small machine like that is going to hit duty cycle easy, if you don’t give it time to cool. but if you’re only building fence for yourself (aka going slow isn’t costly for the customer) I’d say you can do it. run uphill so the heat helps with penetration, and go for it. Maybe run a test joint and see how it goes
@@rusty_restorations36 Awesome thank you! I was also thinking of doing a good bevel and making more passes if needed. This is just for a front gate to the house. So it doesn't need to hold any animals.
@@TexasRedneck I’d recommend some practice joints to figure out what works and what’s necessary to get a quality weld
What’s your thoughts on 70’s models sae300’s
How did it get its name sucker rod
From pulling oil up from a 18:31 down hole pump. The rod moves up and down sucking the oil up and falling back to repeat, the pumps have a one way valve. Old fashioned windmill water pumps use the same idea.
Thanks
What is sucker rod?
What do you have against 6011 on a rusty job lik this?
I ain’t got nothin at all against it.
Where did you get that button up?
We carry them in our store, but unfortunately our supplier has been having issues so idk if we will ever get any back in stock. We are thinking about making our own but that may take a bit to come around. I’m the mean time, check out this Knox brand. I’ve been trying them lately, I like them so far. Use code AROSSWELDING at check out for 15% off your order
knoxfr.com/products/the-weld-professor-pipeliner-edition-fr-shirt-white-red-stitch-with-pearl-snap-button
Kinda like shootin pool......
It's fun to make slop shots ...😁
Just hit that white ball as hard as you Can .....even if the other guys balls get knocked in.....its fun.
If it is on iys side it will flood itself with acetone and no acetylene is produced
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